Are Irish people racist?

hello932

Hi

Just putting this question out there to see what kind of conversation it generates. I know this is after hours but please keep the responses within a minimal level of BS.

brendansmith

hello932 wrote: »

Hi

Just putting this question out there to see what kind of conversation it generates. I know this is after hours but please keep the responses within a minimal level of BS.

One colour, One people, One unity.

Everyone deserves to be loved. No hate, not today!

hussey

hello932 wrote: »

Hi

Just putting this question out there to see what kind of conversation it generates. I know this is after hours but please keep the responses within a minimal level of BS.

I notice the older I get the more of my stories begin with
I'm not racist but....

Overheal

In Before Overheal

Agent Smith

Overheal wrote: »

In Before Overheal

I Just hate that guy....






and the greeks, the invented gayness....

Havermeyer

hussey wrote: »

I notice the older I get the more of my stories begin with
I'm not racist but....

That's just the fear of being politically incorrect stalking your vocabulary.

I'm sure you're not a racist............but..............

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

How long is a peice of string... :rolleyes:

hussey

nummnutts wrote: »

That's just the fear of being politically incorrect stalking your vocabulary.

I'm sure you're not a racist............but..............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8fbrUjjivw

Captain Furball

hello932 wrote: »

Hi

Just putting this question out there to see what kind of conversation it generates. I know this is after hours but please keep the responses within a minimal level of BS.

Are you asking do we like our own kind more?

sceptre

hello932 wrote: »

Hi

Just putting this question out there to see what kind of conversation it generates. I know this is after hours but please keep the responses within a minimal level of BS.

Given some of the choicer contributions I sometimes see in Politics and in RL, if the question can be "are some or a lot of Irish people racist", I'd happily give a "well, duh" answer. The verbal gymnastics from a few people can be only a few posts away.

Helix

i think the 45+ generations in general are horribly racist, but its not quite so bad as you go back through generations

Xavi6

hello932 wrote: »

I know this is after hours but please keep the responses within a minimal level of BS.

Why? Is this for 'research' purposes?

magma69

I certainly think the older generation, who did not grow up in multicultural Ireland are far more racist than the younger. Having said that, there is certainly an element of racism amongst the younger generation too. The "Polish taking our jobs" attitude was very prevalent here in the last 7 or 8 years. Ironic as we have been an emigration nation for the last 200 years which changed for 15 years and we have now returned to it. :eek:

Warfi

Yes

Warfi

No

brendansmith

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brendansmith

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That_Guy

Agent Smith wrote: »

I Just hate that guy....

What the hell did I ever do to you?

AnonoBoy

The racist ones are.

The others eh.... not so much.

Dudess

hello932 wrote: »

I know this is after hours but please keep the responses within a minimal level of BS.

Gosh, if you say so.

One thing though: maybe the question could be a little less inane?

"Are Irish people racist?" Christ...

Ok, I'll bite: some are, yes. Like anywhere.

GavRedKing

Anybody in any cirumstance can be a racist. Racism knows no boundary. Its very easy to make a racist a comment or judgement without even knowing it, so id say everybody in some stage of there life can be accused of racism.

On the whole though, its people that are racist on a daily basis are the worrying type, and that is a small portion of most countries population.

getz

most irish people are not racist[except a few on the boards] but without doubt the republican goverment has been over the years,just see what has happend to the jews in ireland

Long Onion

I think that many Irish people are indeed racist. The media has a lot to answer for in this respect. I have noticed that the nationality of a suspected criminal is mentioned in every story unless the suspect is Irish, when, evey time one reads an article and see that the only time an Albanian is mentioned is in connection with a criminal act, then it becomes easier for people to associate certain nationalities with certain acts.

In my own opinion, the nationality of the person really has no bearing on the story itself and it seems pointless to me to be bringing it up. I also notice that many people think that the racism of the older generation of Irish people is funny - I recall a thread on the boards not so long ago about the 'funny' things old people say, most of them were racist comments and seem to be accptable on account of the age of the person saying them.

meditraitor

getz wrote: »

most irish people are not racist[except a few on the boards] but without doubt the republican goverment has been over the years,just see what has happend to the jews in ireland

What happened the Jews in Ireland?

Dudess

What republican government? And what has happened to the Jews in Ireland?

Long Onion

If I recall correctly, the Jews were burned out of a number of areas in Ireland in the past, the worst being around the Limerick area, the Jewish cultural museum in Dublin has details on these pogroms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland#Limerick_Pogrom

KTRIC

Now I'm not a racist but ......



:rolleyes:

topper75

The intrinsic stupidity of racism is in its requirement to generalise. Your lumping of the 'Irish' together in your question also does this ironically. I very rarely say this, but - stupid question.

meditraitor

Long Onion wrote: »

If I recall correctly, the Jews were burned out of a number of areas in Ireland in the past, the worst being around the Limerick area, the Jewish cultural museum in Dublin has details on these pogroms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland#Limerick_Pogrom

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland#Limerick_Pogrom
The history of the Jews in Ireland extends back nearly a thousand years. Although the Jewish community has always been small in numbers (1,930 in the Republic of Ireland according to the 2006 census), it has generally been well-accepted into Irish life


It must be hard to be well-accepted in Irish Life, jebus I feel sorry for them, and apologise for such behaviour on behalf of the entire population of Ireland past and present:(

Dudess

Long Onion wrote: »

If I recall correctly, the Jews were burned out of a number of areas in Ireland in the past, the worst being around the Limerick area, the Jewish cultural museum in Dublin has details on these pogroms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland#Limerick_Pogrom

But I thought what was being referred to was what happened to Jews in recent years under the republican government.

hobochris

I'm not racist.


I hate everyone equally!

Kev_ps3

hello932 wrote: »

Hi

Just putting this question out there to see what kind of conversation it generates. I know this is after hours but please keep the responses within a minimal level of BS.

Whats your definition of racist?

Wasn't racist years ago.. Bit racist now.

Slavery ended 140 years ago.. Stop having 20 kids and do something with your continent that doesn't involve me giving over my bank details. Like seriously, Kudos to Africa for fuking so much but it doesn't help the Aids epidemic or the population problem.

Quazzie

This thread needs a pole...



oops I mean poll!

topper75

Long Onion wrote: »

If I recall correctly, the Jews were burned out of a number of areas in Ireland in the past, the worst being around the Limerick area, the Jewish cultural museum in Dublin has details on these pogroms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland#Limerick_Pogrom

Interesting that. Shameful -esp as a Limerickman myself. However, despite the wiki article claiming that the priest 'instigated' it, a relation told me that he wasn't marching at the front of a torch-wielding mob as the word 'instigate' might suggest. As part of a sermon at Sunday morning mass, he complained about the practice of money-lending as carried out by some members of the Jewish community in Limerick at the time and expressed his genuine concern that his parishioners were being victimised by it. On foot of this, some hotheads at the back of the church took it upon themselves to go up to Wolfe Tone St., where most of Limerick's jews lived at the time, and that was the pogrom sadly.

Another thing worth pointing out is that, despite the flight to Cork and beyond that resulted from the pogrom, Limerick's Jewish population actually rose in the subsequent years (the NCR became the most prominent area). The Jewish graveyard out in Castletroy is a key element in the city's environmental heritage to this day. We don't have a synagogue any longer in the city - but who knows in the future.

Captain Havoc

Everyone is racist a bit. In Ireland we generally don't have the extremists who want to kill others.

As for those bloody Poles*:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLni3wbndls

*Joke, not serious.

God I love Southpark

Azureus

Long Onion wrote: »

I think that many Irish people are indeed racist. The media has a lot to answer for in this respect. I have noticed that the nationality of a suspected criminal is mentioned in every story unless the suspect is Irish, when, evey time one reads an article and see that the only time an Albanian is mentioned is in connection with a criminal act, then it becomes easier for people to associate certain nationalities with certain acts.

In my own opinion, the nationality of the person really has no bearing on the story itself and it seems pointless to me to be bringing it up. I also notice that many people think that the racism of the older generation of Irish people is funny - I recall a thread on the boards not so long ago about the 'funny' things old people say, most of them were racist comments and seem to be accptable on account of the age of the person saying them.

Not saying you dont incur racism in the media, but I think nationality is as relevant as any details of a criminal, such as age, which is nearly always printed. If it metioned in every case except where they are Irish, would it not be natural to presume that if not mentioned, they are Irish therefore no need to mention the nationality? It is Irish media after all, so it would be a failry natural presumption to make unless stated otherwise.

In my experience, yes. And it's not only the scumbags and old wans either. There was definitely an attitude among my friends at college that being 100% Irish was better than being 'mixed'. They saw an Irish born person who was half Chinese or Indian as a mongrel, basically. I even used to get the 'ah but you're not really Irish' because I'm not pasty skinned, and my family goes back generations. Yet my brother is 'definitely Irish' because he's pale and freckly. :rolleyes: It's such a silly, narrow minded attitude. Most of the time I think it's done without malice, but it's not a nice attitude at all.

Long Onion

Azureus wrote: »

Not saying you dont incur racism in the media, but I think nationality is as relevant as any details of a criminal, such as age, which is nearly always printed. If it metioned in every case except where they are Irish, would it not be natural to presume that if not mentioned, they are Irish therefore no need to mention the nationality? It is Irish media after all, so it would be a failry natural presumption to make unless stated otherwise.

I disagree with you, I fail to see what relevance nationality has to reporting criminal activity. I would be glad if you could explain your thoughts on this a little further so I may have the chance to debate the issue further.

As regards the age, I think that this may be relevant in the case of juveniles as it may explain why reports are missing certain details (due to the nature of prosecutions against minors) outside this, I don't really see the relevance of reporting age. That said, I am not aware of any ageism arising from such reporting, there have been a number of reports into the impact of constantly reporting nationality, and the accompanying effect on public opinion.

This is an extract from the Australian Press guidelines:


The Council's principles state: "Publications should not place gratuitous emphasis on the race, religion, nationality, colour, country of origin, gender, sexual orientation, marital status, disability, illness, or age of an individual or group. Nevertheless, where it is relevant and in the public interest, publications may report or express opinions in these areas".

An obvious case where reference to a person's physical characteristics or ethnic background is relevant, or in the public interest, is when they are part of police descriptions of wanted suspects. Thus is particularly so when the suspects are regarded as violent and dangerous. When a person's physical characteristics or ethnic background are tendered as relevant evidence in court, they are then matters of public record.

The question of race and ethnicity is a difficult one. In the strict biological sense, "race" is the subject of complex scientific debate and particular care should be taken when describing somebody as being of "mixed race", unless it is reporting direct quotes or self-description. However, there is no doubt that people are often perceived, and perceive themselves to be, members of a race in a broadly cultural sense. Ethnic identity, too, is sometimes difficult to define.

There is also the danger of using the term "race" where no such race exists; there is no 'Jewish race', equally there is no 'British race' nor 'French race'. Another danger is to accept too readily the race labels used by racist groups in hate campaigns; such labels should be examined carefully and critically.

The Council is principally concerned about references to race, colour, ethnicity or nationality which promote negative stereotypes in the community. It acknowledges that the question of stereotypes is not cut and dried, and much depends on the context.

The Council in principle condemns gratuitous use of offensive slang terms for minority groups. However, if someone contro*versially used such expressions, a publication may well be justified in reporting them in direct quotes. The Council also generally believes that the use of such terms is permissible in opinion articles, when it is to make a serious point, and sometimes in humorous articles and satire. But here again the boundaries are usually determined by tone and context.

The Council also accepts that some international situations are extremely difficult to report or comment on without causing offen*ce to different groups in the community. For example, refer**ring to the "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" might offend some readers. But referring to it simply as "Macedonia" might offend others. The Israeli-Palestinian and Northern Ireland conflicts are other obvious examples where deep-rooted passions among readers from various backgrounds are easily inflamed, even by impartial reporting.

In the Council's view, in general, the press needs to show more sensitivity in reporting issues when minority groups are percei*ved in the community to be more "different" or when they are the subject of particular public debate.

It is a recognised issue and has been widely debated. It seems that race reporting is justified where a description will aid public safety (i.e. if the suspect is still at large), outside this, it really has no bearing.

getz

meditraitor wrote: »

What happened the Jews in Ireland?

indeed there is only 1000,left, in 1940 there was 6,000.goverment policy had been to restrict jews admission to jewish aliens[quote;from the department of justice because it might give rise to a antic-somitic problem the catholic church with the limerick pogam,coused jews to leave the country.post war jewish groups had great difficulty in getting refugee status for jewish children,whilst at the same time a plan to bring over four hundred catholic children from the rhineland encountered no difficultes.in the 1950s and 1960s jewish docters could not obtain beds in the state[catholic run]hospitals, many had to leave the country to be able to practice.in 1943 oliver flanagan [fine gael] lower chamber,proposed to the house;rout the jews out of the country,frances stuart[irish writer said,the jewish worm got into the rose and sickend it,he then received a saoi[the highest honour the state can give.]the only leader of the state who helped the jews was de-valera because he over-ruled the department of justice in 1948. catholicism/jewism have never been easy bed mates,thank god things have changed now.

dr.bollocko

daveywavey banned for racist posting. Thread cleaned up so a bunch of BS trolling has been removed. May also have removed some posts quoting said BS.

nice1franko

Any question that follows the format:

"Are [insert nationality/religious denomination/ethnic group] people [insert noun here]?"

is itself prejudice (prejudice origin: praejūdicium - prejudgment). Racism is a specific type prejudice. The OP is asking a racist question.

e.g. "Are Nigerian people scammers?"
e.g. "Are American people idiots?"
e.g. "Are Israeli people murderers?"
e.g. "Are Jewish people misers?"
e.g. "Are Pikey people toublemakers?"
e.g. "Are Irish people brilliant?"

The question also presupposes that an entire nation of people can be classed as one thing i.e. a logical fallacy.

What percentage of a nation has to be racist, and to what degree, in order for the nation to be declared racist?

Cop on OP - only insurance companies and police are allowed be prejudiced :pac:

twinytwo

racist is a word that is branded around by many to get their own way... i was called a racist because i stopped and african women in a shop because she tried to skip the very long queue... she starts going on about how im racist and was only stopping her because of the colour of her skin... I then pointed out i was stopping her because she had decided that the queue didnt apply to her which had nothing to do with her skin colour. As i have seen so many times in this country everything that is said or done against them is done only because they have a different skin colour

homerjay2005

oh wow, another racist thread. i often think, the people who talk about racism, are indeed the racists themselves.

racism is one thing, ignorence is another. anybody can be ignorent and say "they took our jobs" for example, but this is not racism. or another way of putting it in ireland is -

saying something about coloured people = racist, when if you say the same thing about a "different" person, its not.....

ignorence is aplenty in ireland, racism is not. it does exist, but not as widespread as people think. old people are just ignorent when it comes to this, like they are with many things (religon being another)

Long Onion

nice1franko wrote: »

Any question that follows the format:

"Are [insert nationality/religious denomination/ethnic group] people [insert noun here]?"

is itself prejudice (prejudice origin: praejūdicium - prejudgment). Racism is a specific type prejudice. The OP is asking a racist question.

e.g. "Are Nigerian people scammers?"
e.g. "Are American people idiots?"
e.g. "Are Israeli people murderers?"
e.g. "Are Jewish people misers?"
e.g. "Are Pikey people toublemakers?"
e.g. "Are Irish people brilliant?"

The question also presupposes that an entire nation of people can be classed as one thing i.e. a logical fallacy.

What percentage of a nation has to be racist, and to what degree, in order for the nation to be declared racist?

Cop on OP - only insurance companies and police are allowed be prejudiced :pac:

Whilst tecnically and semantically (be careful spelling the latter word in a racism debate) you are correct, it is impossible to have a debate on this issue in a forum such as boards.ie without being generalistic.

Were the question to be "are some Irish people racist" it would be a non-discussion.

I would think it fair to say that during the time of aparthied, white South Africans were racist. Sure some were not but this should be accepted as a given. I would read the question as meaning, is there an averall perception that Ireland, as a society has racist tendencies?

If you are to semantically parse every question on AH as if it were a piece of EU legislation, Dr. Bolloko's brain would bleed.

Notorious

Nothing wrong with a bit of friendly racism

:pac:

Long Onion

Notorious wrote: »

Nothing wrong with a bit of friendly racism father

:pac:

FYP

caseyann

Long Onion wrote: »

I think that many Irish people are indeed racist. The media has a lot to answer for in this respect. I have noticed that the nationality of a suspected criminal is mentioned in every story unless the suspect is Irish, when, evey time one reads an article and see that the only time an Albanian is mentioned is in connection with a criminal act, then it becomes easier for people to associate certain nationalities with certain acts.

In my own opinion, the nationality of the person really has no bearing on the story itself and it seems pointless to me to be bringing it up. I also notice that many people think that the racism of the older generation of Irish people is funny - I recall a thread on the boards not so long ago about the 'funny' things old people say, most of them were racist comments and seem to be accptable on account of the age of the person saying them.

Why did you mention an Albanian :rolleyes:

And yes guilty have called them names in my car driving along and i don't care for political correctness if they are rude to me i have no qualms of been rude back.

Long Onion

caseyann wrote: »

Why did you mention an Albanian :rolleyes:

I am obsessed with the white hair and pink eyes;)

genericguy

Notorious wrote: »

Nothing wrong with a bit of friendly racism

:pac:

yep, i defo agree with this - although some people just look for trouble.

there's a vietnamese guy that has started. when i asked him how things were going with his experiment, he got all p'd off, because he was convinced there were racial connotations to the questions. he also assumes that all people are laughing at him because he is foreign, even though it's generally because he eats an entire swiss roll like a sandwich for his lunch.

i also think it's people around the age of 30+ that tend to be the racist ones. racist jokes should be fair game though, without ethnic differences there wouldn't be any comedy.