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What are the Real differences between consoles?
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Retr0gamer wrote: »My PS2 still gets a lot of use. I wish the xbox had backwards compatibility for panzer dragoon saga because it's the only game I keep the big ****er for.
well in all fairness Retro, you're hardly joe soap gamer
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Wii has much better graphics than the PS2 when developers can be bothered. It's an overclocked Gamecube and the gamecube wiped the floor with the PS2 graphically.
As for the PS2 getting a lot of play, I don't see why it shouldn't be. It's got a massive catalogue of amazing games that I still haven't gotten through and most are better than the crap that I end up playing on current gen machines like Assassins Creed.
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hav you tried bioshock? thats an amazing game. forza 3 is another.
You know I do play current gen games being the owner of a 360, PS3 and Wii :P Bioshock is awesome. Forza bores the arse off me. It's pokemon with cars but without the fun. I prefer my racers to be arcade ones.I got one in from Germany at a premium a few weeks after launch with wii sports and zelda. It was extremely boring and gimmicky and basically, just not real gaming.
I keep saying but nobody listens. There are plenty of good 'real' games on the Wii if you bother to look for them! there's plenty of great meaty games in on it amoungst the vapid casualware but they just don't have a uncharted 2 advertising campaign.
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Can't say I really agree with this one. Although the figures are out of date by over a year, this piece shows that there have been plenty of higher selling consoles than the Wii. You could argue that it is only 2 years by the time those stats were taken but given that Wii sales have been slowing down and there haven't been any killer apps on the platform in the last while, I can't see it being as successful as some of the other consoles on that list in the long run. What has happened obviously is that they are reaching a different market than before, one that can be argued is higher than the hardcore market, however between lower attachment rates and more than likely lower brand loyalty it too won't do them as good in the long run imo.
I think those are U.S figures, but i'm not 100%. But it's reflective of my understanding of the games market. Pretty poor growth rates until recently.
You're agreeing with me though without realising it. My entire point about the Wii is that it's been as successful as it has due to it primarily reaching a new audience that MS and Sony had ignored. And you're right, it doesn't have the same brand loyalty, that's what I was referring to when i said life is hard for a Wii developer. It's sold largely as a novelty item these days.0 -
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If Nintendo want to waste their money on Girls Aloud, Ant and Dec, the Redknapps, Ian Wright and highlight crap like Wii Sports or Tennis then that is their choice.
Given that the operating profits for the three console makers looks like this
I think Nintendo are doing anything but "wasting" their money.0 -
hooradiation wrote: »Given that the operating profits for the three console makers looks like this
I think Nintendo are doing anything but "wasting" their money.
A prime example of why you should read posts within the context of a thread. We were talking about attempts to tell the public they have some really good games through marketing etc - in this the above campaigns do not really hammer the point home.
Cute chart though.0 -
hooradiation wrote: »Given that the operating profits for the three console makers looks like this
I think Nintendo are doing anything but "wasting" their money.
Those figures are way off... I don't know where they came from.
Microsoft has been making a profit on the 360 for the past two years. Just. I think the entire 360 project went into the black recently.
http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/action/halo3untitledodstgame/news.html?sid=6237794
As for Sony, the PS3 is in the red. A lot. I haven't heard anything about their 2009 figures, but it's hard to see how the PS3 will ever make a profit.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2008/may/14/sonytriplesprofitsbutplays
As for Nintendo's figures, I wouldn't believe anything I see. They are notoriously tight lipped on their figures, and have a habit of making things seem better than they are. Here's something that suggests things aren't as rosy as they seem: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10797_3-10385994-235.html
and bear in mind, that makes no distinction between the Wii profits or DS profits.0 -
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Well U.S or not I still think it's not entirely accurate. What isn't factored into the above charts is the increased price of both the consoles and games, the increase in the rise casual games most of which aren't free and of course, WoW's $1b+ revenues.leninbenjamin wrote: »
I think those are U.S figures, but i'm not 100%. But it's reflective of my understanding of the games market. Pretty poor growth rates until recently.
True on that point alright but brand loyalty isn't always to do with games. Look at the PS1->PS2->PS3 for instance, many customers bought the subsequent consoles on the strength of their predecessors, in the latter cases at huge prices and without top software to back it up. I just can't see much of the Wii's existing fanbase carrying out this practice. Also factor in this question, were it not for the launch of the new generation of consoles, how many homes woulds till use the PS2 as their primary consoles? Over 10 years later I'd bet it's a figure we'll never see with regards the Wii.leninbenjamin wrote: »You're agreeing with me though without realising it. My entire point about the Wii is that it's been as successful as it has due to it primarily reaching a new audience that MS and Sony had ignored. And you're right, it doesn't have the same brand loyalty, that's what I was referring to when i said life is hard for a Wii developer. It's sold largely as a novelty item these days.0 -
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The PS3 is being sold at a massive lose though and Sony are losing a lot of money on each console sold and I think the attach rate isn't covering it. I'm pretty sure with the release of the Slim Sony are making a lose again on the hardware. TBH making a lose on the slim is a good idea. It seems to be a move that is placing them firmly in second place and in time they will start making a profit on the PS3 and we will see an increase in attach rate. I really don't believe Sonys computer games division is making a profit on the PS3. Remember PSP sales are factoring into the computer games divisions profits as well and thats been doing rather well for itself lately.
Nintendos profits may be down but you've got to remember they've gone from making **** loads of money to making slighty less **** loads of money. It's probably more to do with the weak yen and the fall in value of their assets than purely sales.
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