Should Cyclists pay road tax?

mockler007

should we pay road tax???, 20euros a year or something?
stop motorist bitching at us!!
was read a few things on the after hours forum.:rolleyes: fcuk them wheres kona when you need him

Chips Lovell

There's no such thing as road tax.

robbie_998

when cyclists start producing pollution then they will get charged :pac:

kincsem

I'll pay it ....... based on the engine capacity of my bicycle(s).

concussion

Hmmm....a tax to stop people bitching at me. Interesting. Maybe politician should do the same so I can stop complaining about them.

ednwireland

no

when i get any cycling facilities (apart from rough tarmac) then it may just blink into consideration

if our roads were like france (surface) then possibly

friday already ?

tunney

Emmmm cake.

Jip

Where has this idea come from that assumes cyclists don't own cars, are they mutually exclusive or something

marathont

No, if everyone went around on bikes, It would cost relatively nothing to build/maintain the road network.

Also I reckon most cyclists, have cars as well.

Captain Havoc

Having one of these:

and a place to put it on the bike would be far too uneuro and may put people off cycling more than making helmets compulsory :rolleyes:

crashoveroid

I pay a small fortune for my car well over a 1200 a year and we still have shocking roads and now you think people should have to pay for bikes as well. Jog on!!!

Chips Lovell

jerseyeire wrote: »

Having one of these ...and a place to put it on the bike would be far too uneuro and may put people off cycling more than making helmets compulsory :rolleyes:

If it's good enough for Garmin - Slipstream's Mike "Meatball" Friedman, it's good enough for you:

Jip

crashoveroid wrote: »

Jog on!!!

Very good point, joggers use our roads too so they should also pay. As too should mothers with prams as they take up more road space than the regular pedestrian.

petethedrummer

Maybe if bikes damaged the roads.

crashoveroid

Jip wrote: »

Very good point, joggers use our roads too so they should also pay. As to should mothers with prams as they take up more road space than the regular pedestrian.

Now we are getting somewhere why not charge road tax to everybody

Captain Havoc

el tonto wrote: »

If it's good enough for Garmin - Slipstream's Mike "Meatball" Friedman, it's good enough for you

I can see the personal plates now: e1 t0nt0 etc.........

Hungrycol

el tonto wrote: »

There's no such thing as road tax.

The correct legal name is actually ROAD FUND LICENCE so road tax is not that far off actually . . . . . .motor tax is its everyday name granted.

mockler007

so they do it in real countries, muck savages cant run our country. i would rather the eu running it for us, i would rather a belgian run ireland
so why not do it here if it was to keep our lanes in tip top condition
ie regester the bike each year which pays for insurance and cyclelane tax. i would pay 50 a year if it ment proper cyclelanes and cover for us...:)

onimpulse

Well if cyclists have to pay what about pedestrians? Seriously, there's footpaths everywhere & they're (usually) well maintained - you could easily fit another car lane in there if it wasn't for people walking and they don't pay a cent! :rolleyes:

mockler007

jerseyeire wrote: »

I can see the personal plates now: e1 t0nt0 etc.........

your feckd so, ther lenght of your name. imagine the amount of mirrors you would take off, but is that really a bad thing hahhaa

ROK ON

mockler007 wrote: »

so they do it in real countries, muck savages cant run our country. i would rather the eu running it for us, i would rather a belgian run ireland

Why. We are borrowing heavily with high unemployment in a recession. However Belgium, Spain, Italy France and Germany have a structural debt and unemployment problem. You are talking thru your ar5e.

We are an anglo-saxon economy and have so much more in common with the UK and US than we do the continental Europeans. Take some time and have a look at what long term unemployment is like for the 25-35 age cohortin France and Germany versus Itreland or the UK for example.

BTW, on the topic of your original question. I pay enough tax. People continually go on about how great they have it in Europe. By and large that refers to middle aged and older folk. It is paid for thru high taxation, labour mkt rigidites and structural unemployment. Belgium and Italy as a case in point are barely functioning as economies. Do you really want to be run by these bureaucrats.

I am happy with Ireland. We have a lot to improve, but I am confident that we are ingenious and flexible enough as a people to do it.

Rob_l

Hungrycol wrote: »

The correct legal name is actually ROAD FUND LICENCE so road tax is not that far off actually . . . . . .motor tax is its everyday name granted.

Citizens information say its motor tax
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/travel-and-recreation/motoring-1/motor-tax-and-insurance/motor_tax_rates

As do their own website
https://www.motortax.ie


Anyway were most of Irelands roads not funded by the EU and have little or nothing to do with motor tax\road tax whatever we call it?

Chips Lovell

mockler007 wrote: »

so why not do it here if it was to keep our lanes in tip top condition, ie regester the bike each year which pays for insurance and cyclelane tax. i would pay 50 a year if it ment proper cyclelanes and cover for us...:)

In that case, why not have a footpath tax?

Captain Havoc

I think we should pay a tax on the airspace we take up and as natural resources are owned by the state we should also pay a tax on the air we breathe and as what we breathe out is Carbon dioxide, an auld tax there is in order depending on the size of your lungs.

RobFowl

Would you be exempt if you wore a helmet?
And should the tax depend on how many gears you have?
I was looking at the thread about a blue chain earlier, suggest that that should attract a premium rate tax as well.......

Rob_l

jerseyeire wrote: »

I think we should pay a tax on the airspace we take up and as natural resources are owned by the state we should also pay a tax on the air we breathe.

I agree on a tax for the air we breath but it should be extended to all Mammals(or maybe a fee at birth) for the carbon we breath out with every breath.

Lumen

RobFowl wrote: »

Would you be exempt if you wore a helmet?
And should the tax depend on how many gears you have?

Apologies for the off-topic on this otherwise extremely useful thread, but your post reminded me of an old discussion about road bike price inflation.

Q: It's shocking people even showed up to the tour in '03. I mean, 9 speeds? How did Lance even finish, much less win?

A: The reason people showed up to the Tour with less than 11 gears in the past is that they had more dope. As the amount of dope has gone down, the number of gears has increased. T = G x D. To maintain an even Tour (T) as doping (D) decrease, gears (G) must accordingly increase. Which in a way is bad news, since no doping would require and infinite number of gears, which would in turn have an infinite mass, creating a black hole and swallowing up the entire cycling world.

mockler007

ROK ON wrote: »

Why. We are borrowing heavily with high unemployment in a recession. However Belgium, Spain, Italy France and Germany have a structural debt and unemployment problem. You are talking thru your ar5e.

We are an anglo-saxon economy and have so much more in common with the UK and US than we do the continental Europeans. Take some time and have a look at what long term unemployment is like for the 25-35 age cohortin France and Germany versus Itreland or the UK for example.

BTW, on the topic of your original question. I pay enough tax. People continually go on about how great they have it in Europe. By and large that refers to middle aged and older folk. It is paid for thru high taxation, labour mkt rigidites and structural unemployment. Belgium and Italy as a case in point are barely functioning as economies. Do you really want to be run by these bureaucrats.

I am happy with Ireland. We have a lot to improve, but I am confident that we are ingenious and flexible enough as a people to do it.

i live abroad in germany for over 2 years, i had a job no probs, alot of turks are unemployed. it was so much better run than this country. minister for health in ireland is a fat cow, doesnt say much for her own health, what does she know about health is she cant look after her own. the swiss have lovely cyclelanes same in germany. even if they got the lads who work for their cc to relocate over here

ROK ON

Yes I have lived abroad. I work for an European company. 90% of my colleagues are from a European country other than Ireland. In general (weather apart) they prefer here to there.

Caroline_ie

OP - too bad you can't get a clue on chainreaction cycles otherwise I would have given you a link to it and a couple of quid towards it too.

ednwireland

mockler007 wrote: »

i live abroad in germany for over 2 years, i had a job no probs, alot of turks are unemployed. it was so much better run than this country. minister for health in ireland is a fat cow, doesnt say much for her own health, what does she know about health is she cant look after her own. the swiss have lovely cyclelanes same in germany. even if they got the lads who work for their cc to relocate over here

why did you come back then, i'm not from here, theres no way i would go back to west yorkshire, the only thing i would like is a slightly smoother road surface, but then io sit on my massive patio, looking out at mountains and sea and everyone i know is jealous of where i live
and the people in donegal are great they even give you room when they overtake

serendip

Many cyclists do pay road tax. Just not on their bikes.

I pay road tax twice, once for my car, and once for my scooter. But most days I commute by bike, so those two vehicles just sit at home (generating no carbon at all!).

So please don't ask me to pay road tax for a third time.

Mr. Presentable

There should not be a tax on cyclists. They should, however, be required to be insured.

Chips Lovell

nipplenuts wrote: »

They should, however, be required to be insured.

Why?

Chips Lovell

mockler007 wrote: »

minister for health in ireland is a fat cow, doesnt say much for her own health, what does she know about health is she cant look after her own.

Does the Minister for Sport have to be good at sports? Or the Minister for Arts have to be accomplished in the arts?

Lumen

el tonto wrote: »

Does the Minister for Sport have to be good at sports? Or the Minister for Arts have to be accomplished on in the arts>

Would that be a really bad idea?

ednwireland

el tonto wrote: »

Does the Minister for Sport have to be good at sports? Or the Minister for Arts have to be accomplished in the arts?

or the minister of finance be good at .......oh lets just not go there ok

petethedrummer

We're better off with former teachers, solicitors and accountants.

TinyExplosions

tunney wrote: »

Emmmm cake.

or death?

Mucco

A letter I sent to the Irish Times after someone suggested the same thing (they didn't publish )


Madam,

With high fuel costs, vehicle registration tax, and the annual motor tax, it seems obvious that irish motorists pay far more to the government than is spent on constructing and maintaining roads. However, the recent shift in the basis of motor tax from engine size to vehicle emissions hints that there are several other factors that need considering when assessing whether motorists do pay their fair share of tax (Stiofan O'Dalaigh, letters, October 9th).

Indeed, David Pearce, the late professor of environmental economics at University College London, calculated that, when the costs of accidents, air and noise pollution are added to infrastructure costs, motorists are actually under-paying by a factor of three.

So, as Mark Fox (letters, October 7th) is bumping down the N11 cycle lane, he is subsidising those drivers next to him on the smooth road without enjoying the benefit.

Good cycle lanes are relatively cheap to build, and, because bicycles weigh a small fraction of cars and trucks, are also cheap to maintain. With chronic traffic congestion a major problem on Dublin 's roads, investment in comfortable and safe alternatives to driving will benefit drivers by way of fewer traffic jams.

daymobrew

Hungrycol wrote: »

The correct legal name is actually ROAD FUND LICENCE so road tax is not that far off actually . . . . . .motor tax is its everyday name granted.

A former Garda said the same thing to me but he never showed me the legislation where it stated this. Do you know what act or SI has this?

serendip wrote: »

Many cyclists do pay road tax. Just not on their bikes.

I pay road tax twice, once for my car, and once for my scooter. But most days I commute by bike, so those two vehicles just sit at home (generating no carbon at all!).

So please don't ask me to pay road tax for a third time.

Agreed. This is why I think that motor tax/road fund tax be done away with and the tax on fuel be increased. Then people will pay in proportion to their use of (and impact on) the roads. This is what I suggested when the motor tax was being changed.

Raam

TinyExplosions wrote: »

or death?

uhm, cake please.

daymobrew

daymobrew wrote: »

A former Garda said the same thing to me but he never showed me the legislation where it stated this. Do you know what act or SI has this?

Not sure but a quick google gives this:

http://www.finance.gov.ie/documents/publications/vrt/tgiles.pdf

Motor tax or "Road Fund Licence" does not go directly to the provision of road developement or maintenance, instead it is redirected to the local authorities to spend appropriatly, so the collection of this revenue would return primarily to the goverment where it could then be distributed in a fairer and more appropriate manner to tie together with such other initiatives such as the National Spatial Strategy and The National Developement Plan. If needs be, account returns or VAT numbers could be used to redistribute the collected duty back to the local authority area of source.

Rob_l

daymobrew wrote: »

A former Garda said the same thing to me but he never showed me the legislation where it stated this. Do you know what act or SI has this?

I'd say mainly because Im a nasty pedant and partly because you asked

the S.I. is S.I. No. 207 of 2008

and even better
http://www.attorneygeneral.ie/esi/2008/B26181.pdf

And it was introduced as part of the Finance Bill 2008


and all that makes me

tomasrojo

Replacing Motor Tax with tax on fuel seems, superficially at least, fair and means that people have an incentive to use their car less.

However, I imagine anyone who tries to introduce it will not be in government for long.

Lumen

tomasrojo wrote: »

Replacing Motor Tax with tax on fuel seems, superficially at least, fair and means that people have an incentive to use their car less.

However, I imagine anyone who tries to introduce it will not be in government for long.

I blame the culchies.

stopped_clock

TinyExplosions wrote: »

Originally Posted by tunney
Emmmm cake.

or death?

Eddie Izzard?

Raam

stopped_clock wrote: »

Eddie Izzard?

totally

stopped_clock

Raam wrote: »

totally

Well in that case, I'll crack out my secret stash of chocolate biscuits!

Captain Havoc

Lumen wrote: »

I blame the culchies.

*cough, cough*

BostonB

Cycling is actually saving money as otherwise I'd be using a car/bus which would wear the road, and produce emissions.

So they should pay us to cycle.