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  • 20-10-2009 1:10pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 41


    I find it hard to believe the amount of intelligent people who still subscribe to religious teachings.

    I have no issue with someone having a belief system and praying there is something bigger out there, but, what I find incredible is the faith people place in the different religions. Most people will say they agree with the teaching of whatever religion they are geographically are closest too exept for this or that element.

    Why do the still feel the need to be part of a particular religion? Why cant people have their own faith based on their own beleifs:confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    boxclever wrote: »
    I find it hard to believe the amount of intelligent people who still subscribe to religious teachings.

    I have no issue with someone having a belief system and praying there is something bigger out there, but, what I find incredible is the faith people place in the different religions. Most people will say they agree with the teaching of whatever religion they are geographically are closest too exept for this or that element.

    Why do the still feel the need to be part of a particular religion? Why cant people have their own faith based on their own beleifs:confused:

    People do have their own faith based on their own beliefs. And when you get a group of people with similar such beliefs we tend to call it a 'religion'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 boxclever


    PDN wrote: »
    People do have their own faith based on their own beliefs. And when you get a group of people with similar such beliefs we tend to call it a 'religion'.

    People dont start religions they follow exising ones.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,406 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    boxclever wrote: »
    People dont start religions they follow exising ones.
    Try telling that to a scientologist.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,589 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    boxclever wrote: »
    I find it hard to believe the amount of intelligent people who still subscribe to religious teachings.

    I have no issue with someone having a belief system and praying there is something bigger out there, but, what I find incredible is the faith people place in the different religions. Most people will say they agree with the teaching of whatever religion they are geographically are closest too exept for this or that element.

    Why do the still feel the need to be part of a particular religion? Why cant people have their own faith based on their own beleifs:confused:

    Im going to make a presumption that you were raised a Christian. Is it fair to say that you are basing your knowledge of other religions on Christianity?

    How familiar are you with Island, Hinduism, Buddhism? The Koran reads alot different than the bible and contains "truths" that were published to prove to people of God's existance.

    Religion brings hope, comfort and joy to BILLIONS of people around the world. If you cant understand why people put so much faith in something that illicits that kind of response, then clearly you need to talk to these people some more! ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    boxclever wrote: »
    People dont start religions they follow exising ones.

    Which sort of begs the question how the existing ones got there in the first place.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 370 ✭✭mega man


    boxclever wrote: »
    I find it hard to believe the amount of intelligent people who still subscribe to religious teachings.

    I have no issue with someone having a belief system and praying there is something bigger out there, but, what I find incredible is the faith people place in the different religions. Most people will say they agree with the teaching of whatever religion they are geographically are closest too exept for this or that element.

    Why do the still feel the need to be part of a particular religion? Why cant people have their own faith based on their own beleifs:confused:

    Because the smart ones create religions, the dumb ones follow them. No offence intended.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 boxclever


    PDN wrote: »
    Which sort of begs the question how the existing ones got there in the first place.

    But have been distorted since.

    Im going to make a presumption that you were raised a Christian. Is it fair to say that you are basing your knowledge of other religions on Christianity?

    How familiar are you with Island, Hinduism, Buddhism? The Koran reads alot different than the bible and contains "truths" that were published to prove to people of God's existance.

    Religion brings hope, comfort and joy to BILLIONS of people around the world. If you cant understand why people put so much faith in something that illicits that kind of response, then clearly you need to talk to these people some more! wink.gif


    My Wife is a Muslim (or more accuratley comes from a Muslim family/country) and I would be fairly well up on Islam. I was raised a Christian which is part of the problem I have with religions the first response states people with the same beleifs join a religion when in fact most people are born into it.

    Also the last line above is another issue I have Religion brings hope, comfort and joy to BILLIONS of people around the world.
    I could easily argue religion is the single biggest factor in peoples unhappiness around the world, and kills more people than smoking!!:D

    I feel the world would be a better place without religion. Not because the theory behind it isnt sound but because the fighting betwwen the different beleifs causes more harm than good and if it was a case were there was no religious teaching but instead a general acceptance of beleif, we would be much better off


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 boxclever


    robindch wrote: »
    Try telling that to a scientologist.
    There are far to many Moderators!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    boxclever wrote: »
    Im going to make a presumption that you were raised a Christian. Is it fair to say that you are basing your knowledge of other religions on Christianity?

    Ah, look where presumption gets you. Actually I was raised as an atheist.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,583 ✭✭✭✭tunney


    faceman wrote: »
    Religion brings hope, comfort and joy to BILLIONS of people around the world.

    So does heroin, cocaine and other drugs. Millions of people anyways.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 boxclever


    PDN wrote: »
    Ah, look where presumption gets you. Actually I was raised as an atheist.
    I never presumed this. Your fellow moderator said this to me and I was quoting him.

    Look where failing to read the whole thread gets you


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 boxclever


    tunney wrote: »
    So does heroin, cocaine and other drugs. Millions of people anyways.
    Were you from Tunney. I havnt met to many people with the same surname as me


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    boxclever wrote: »
    I never presumed this. Your fellow moderator said this to me and I was quoting him.

    Look where failing to read the whole thread gets you

    Ha ha, my apologies!:o
    Maybe you could use the quote feature when you are quoting others? It helps avoid such confusion.

    btw, there's hundreds of moderators on boards.ie. Faceman moderates the drama fora (there's a joke there somewhere, but i can't be bothered trying to think of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,026 ✭✭✭kelly1


    tunney wrote: »
    So does heroin, cocaine and other drugs. Millions of people anyways.
    Drugs bring hope, comfort and joy??? Sorry for the bluntness but don't you realize the misery drugs cause users?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭monosharp


    kelly1 wrote: »
    Drugs bring hope, comfort and joy??? Sorry for the bluntness but don't you realize the misery drugs cause users?

    Don't you realise the misery religion causes many people ?

    But yeah drugs are bad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    monosharp wrote: »
    Don't you realise the misery religion causes many people ?

    But yeah drugs are bad.

    Bad perverted religion causes misery. Honest faith causes fulfillment of life. There is never any need to throw out the baby with the bathwater.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    I don't like the analogy people use of drawing drugs with religion, because some drugs do good. Whether we like it or not religion is part of who we are and how we evolved. To say it wasn't beneficial and comforting is denying history, however to say it is absolute force for good is also denying human history. Human beings are primed to believe and the danger of religion is that it easily takes advantages of that fact. Religion itself can easily take away the fear of death from a human being, that thought scares me every time...
    I don't yet know of any drug capable of that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Bad perverted religion causes misery. Honest faith causes fulfillment of life. There is never any need to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

    Just curious, how do you decide what is a bad religion?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭monosharp


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Bad perverted religion causes misery. Honest faith causes fulfillment of life. There is never any need to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

    Firstly I do agree with you more or less.

    But. What about for one example, those faith healer people who basically let their daughter die ? Is that honest faith or bad perverted religion ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭monosharp


    Malty_T wrote: »
    Religion itself can easily take away the fear of death from a human being, that thought scares me every time...
    I don't yet know of any drug capable of that.

    Me thinks you haven't tried read about the right drugs :)

    Many people die because they're so drugged off their ass they think they're invincible or they simply don't care what happens to them.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    monosharp wrote: »
    But. What about for one example, those faith healer people who basically let their daughter die ? Is that honest faith or bad perverted religion ?

    Honest faith, on the basis of bad perverted religion they have received.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Jakkass wrote: »
    Honest faith, on the basis of bad perverted religion they have received.

    So it's both then.
    So what exactly is a bad religion then??


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭wolfsbane


    robindch said:
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by boxclever
    People dont start religions they follow exising ones.


    Try telling that to a scientologist.
    Or an atheist ( Dawkins variety). :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭wolfsbane


    boxclever wrote: »
    I find it hard to believe the amount of intelligent people who still subscribe to religious teachings.

    I have no issue with someone having a belief system and praying there is something bigger out there, but, what I find incredible is the faith people place in the different religions. Most people will say they agree with the teaching of whatever religion they are geographically are closest too exept for this or that element.

    Why do the still feel the need to be part of a particular religion? Why cant people have their own faith based on their own beleifs:confused:
    Some do - the leaders of the cults, for example.

    But your question, I think, asks why do people accept any religion other than one they have invented themselves. There are many reasons why people may become religious - social standing, economic opportunity, believing it to be a true account of reality, etc.

    Those who adopt their own version are in fact doing it for similar reasons.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭monosharp


    wolfsbane wrote: »
    robindch said:

    Or an atheist ( Dawkins variety). :D

    Wolfsbane I am honestly curious, is it possible in your mind to have no religion ? Or am I 'religious' no matter what I do ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭wolfsbane


    monosharp wrote: »
    Wolfsbane I am honestly curious, is it possible in your mind to have no religion ? Or am I 'religious' no matter what I do ?
    Hmm. Yes, it's possible to have no religion, if we define religion as a coherent world-view that moves us morally. The utterly selfish brute would be such.

    But if religion entails regarding a person as the centre of meaning, then the selfish brute worships himself. He has no other gods before himself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭monosharp


    wolfsbane wrote: »
    Hmm. Yes, it's possible to have no religion, if we define religion as a coherent world-view that moves us morally. The utterly selfish brute would be such.

    Thats nonsense. You are re-defining religion to encompass everyone.

    I am not religious, I have no faith science or otherwise.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭wolfsbane


    monosharp wrote: »
    Thats nonsense. You are re-defining religion to encompass everyone.

    I am not religious, I have no faith science or otherwise.
    Definitions:
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
    Note the qualifications I have highlighted:
    1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
    Here's it without those: 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.

    My usage actually allowed the last qualification, so:
    1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 626 ✭✭✭chozometroid


    monosharp wrote: »
    Thats nonsense. You are re-defining religion to encompass everyone.

    I am not religious, I have no faith science or otherwise.

    You have no faith in science? So what do you believe and why?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 45 maskofsanity


    You have no faith in science? So what do you believe and why?
    Why "believe"? Is it not much better to think than to believe?


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