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banquo

Ok, read the thread. As someone who's 50/50 SU involved, I stand pretty independant. Also I think it's bad that the SU and the students it serves are being seen in opposition. Recipe for disaster tbh.

My problems/solutions:

(1) Profliferation of information.

This works both ways. The SU should set up a text box that people can stick news into, or things that should be brought to the SUs attention. Thus no confusion about who to send it to, or getting the email address wrong, or it getting lost in the hundreds of emails that get sent to the SU every day. Simple.

Similarly, the SU should explore better ways of getting info to students. Pasting it into their FB status feed is haphazard at best. Ok, atm they can't get a mass email out at short notice (as far as I'm aware, there's no exception for time-sensitive information like 'you may be stabber') but now that Liz and I have destroyed our wrists manually adding 2,700+ students to a FB list the SU can get emergency alerts out. It's only 2,700+ out of a lot more students, but it's still about 1 in 3 students who hopefully will tell their friends. I think having the <all-students> mailing list there for use in case of emergency is a must. *Takes mental note*

(2) nuimsu.com

The main reason, it seems to me, why this doesn't get updated is because of all the beaurocracy. The so-called webmaster has yet to come in and 'do up' the site. There's always some bull**** in the way of doing it. If it were me I'd put up the world's crappiest html-only page (to match my skills) that would do the job in the most basic terms, but most people don't know anything about html and the folks in the SU are kept too busy to go and learn a web coding language. There's a LOT of room for an NUIM student-run blog for these things.

What say you, PrivateEye?

(3) @Windo,

I'm not into making enemies online, or even arguing online, but I have to be honest with you. Your remarks, though well-intentioned I'm sure, fit in exactly with how little students have over previous years come to expect from the NUIM SU. Attacks, so you promote a self-defence class in the furthest building from anywhere on campus. The solution to not getting beaten up on a certain road is not self defence - it's about not going down that road in the first place. I like to think that my friends, if they knew would have warned me. Are you not a friend to the students?

You say ZERO students turned up. Guess what: I could have told you that would happen, as I'm sure nearly anyone who has a life outside the SU could have.

(i) Only students on North Campus would have any idea that it was on.
(ii) Students have lectures, and very often jobs. And if they're not in a lecture or work then they're either studying, sleeping or having a well-deserved drink.
(iii) Nobody goes to ONE self-defence class. It's the line of thing you'd sign up for and very few students make the commitment, at the start of a new year, to sign up for anything.
(iv) Information proliferation does not exist. Old media ftl.

You attack students for not doing anything about it. Take me. I'm a student. I haven't witnessed a crime, nor could I help the Gardai in any way without witnessing a crime or having any info that could help them. What is it you propose I do? I could be like some of the people here and post it online to make sure that some other people here knew, and hopefully word would get around. Like most people here, I text my friends to warn them. Going on the offence won't help your defence. ''I didn't do anything, but sure neither did you!'' - I'm not being fcukin PAID to help students, and yet every individual on this forum has probably done more in their own capacity then the college. Yet you're happy to call them names.

My favorite quote in this thread is from -me-:

What is it you want us to do? go in to the SU and tell them there has been some attacks and we want to be told?

Windo is a troll, acting stupidly*, and a perfect example of the wrong kind of mindset that unforunately finds its way into the SU from time to time.

*Can't say they're stupid, next best legal alternative.

LoLth

Its the weekend. I really really dotn wan tto start banning people for essentially ignoring a mod request to keep the thread on topic.

I said it before, this is not a thread about the SU and their perceived shortcomings and it is not a thread for posting your opinion of the SU. I said this thread had run its course and was told "it will have run its course when the attacks stop"... then the thread drifted down the forum table...and now its back, but no longer about the attacks, its about the SU.

I'm closing this thread now because otherwise I'm going to have to ban or infract someone and I dont want to do that to people who are engaged in a discusion. You want to discuss the SU organisation and its effectiveness, start a new thread.

sorry to those who see this thread as an essential warning about a serious matter. obviously the SU's ability to represent the student body is a more serious topic after all.