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Vectra or Mazda 6...????????
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17-10-2009 9:10pm#1
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Wait till galwaytt comes on
The Mazda 6 is a grand car, but do not buy the diesel! The Vectra is a grand car too, especially with that (FIAT) diesel.
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...did someone mention my name...??
...that's the thing about questions like these.......like the 46a, there'll be another one along in a minute.......:)
So, to paraphrase Ian Dury's tune 'Reasons to be cheerful, 1,2,3...' we have, ....
why you don't want a Mazda diesel, Parts 1, 2, and 3
And of course, they don't all go wrong, and they all don't fail spectacularly, note coolbeans one giving good service.
The question is, if yours is one of the (many) that does, how will you take it ? And mine had a fsh, btw, for whatever that's worth......
Fwiw, someone mentioned the Saab with the Fiat engine, above. Well that's exactly what we bought to replace the Mazda, and so far, it's been a peach, with no issues.
You pays your money and you takes your choice........Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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I think the mazda 6 2.0 diesel is based on the peugeot 2.0 hdi
and afaik ford are in there also..i maybe wrong..
....I wish it was a Peugeot. That'd make life a whole lot simpler, but it's not.
The Ford link is from Ford owning 30% of Mazda.........funnily enough, my 'Mazda' flywheel had 'Motorcraft' written on it........(a Ford brand...)
but in the case of the RF series Turbo D engine, I don't believe it's anyone else's fubar except Mazda's........
Newer Fords (Focus, Mondeo) - but I stand to be corrected on this - have a Hdi-inspired dieselOde To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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So best to totally ignore my post then lol!!! I shud stick to my (limited) Mazda petrol knowledge lol
No, I understand, after a bit of bad luck (sic), I bought the Mazda because of their petrol engined model's reliabilty. One of which I have myself - and it's faultless - and ditto an old 85 626 2.0 petrol we used to have.....but I'm afraid that reputation didn't follow into their diesels.
Fwiw, I'd buy a 2.0 petrol Mazda with no issues.Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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teednab-el wrote: »Because the word FIAT is involved with that diesel and that would suggest disaster for me.
Then I respectfully suggest you should base your decision on facts, not hearsay.
Common rail diesel engines in the first place, were invented by Fiat in the early '90's, and their design was subsequently bought by Bosch and the technology put into every VAG, BMW and Merc - amongst million's of other vehicles since, and has a very very good reputation. Which is why GM (Opel) also use that engine - their own diesel was old, slow, noisy, and had a bad reputation, as biblio pointed out.
I am not aware of any issues with that diesel even remotely like the Mazda one, or even the infamous 320d fubar-turbo one, so imho, the Fiat engine rates better than both.
In fact, I think you'll find of all the problems that Fiats/Alfa's are alleged to have, it's usually something NOT engine related.......suspension, electrics or somesuch. The engine is the nugget in the centre. Which is why the Opel may well float your boat, as they say, German-inspired and built, but without the pre-historic GM engine. Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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