Golf GTI or Audi TT

liamw

I'm not sure which one to go for. Does anyone have any advice or opinions? Looking to spend 15-20k.

Thanks in advance for your help deciding

Vanbis

liamw wrote: »

I'm not sure which one to go for. Does anyone have any advice or opinions? Looking to spend 15-20k.

Thanks in advance for your help deciding

I have a Golf GTi so i would pick it over the Audi TT everytime. I took it for a test drive and it was amazing to drive, the power and comfort. I still get a buz out of even today.

I think you really need to bring both out for a test drive. I've not driven a Audi TT but if you are quite tall or big then comfort wise it might not be right.

Tipsy Mac

Golf GTI all day everyday.

liamw

Thanks for quick replies.. I will take it for a test drive tomorrow. I kind of prefer the look of the TT though. Is it just that the GTI drives better?

Vanbis

liamw wrote: »

Thanks for quick replies.. I will take it for a test drive tomorrow. I kind of prefer the look of the TT though. Is it just that the GTI drives better?

Like i said i've not driven a Audi TT but i personally think the Golf GTI not only looks better but would be sure it drives better as well.

TestTransmission

Well,if you wanna stick with that engine..why dont you look at a Octavia VRS

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Skoda/Octavia/200BHP-R/200938195260813/advert?channel=CARS

PirateShampoo

On looks i would go for the Golf over the old shape TT (hair dressers car), but if its a new shape TT then i would pick that every time.

B00MSTICK

Whats the criteria for choosing? i.e have you limited your choice to these 2 cars for any reason?

SoupyNorman

GTI, TT is and always has been a ladies car...even the new shape.

Big Nasty

The Gti, no matter how good it is, and even if it's a better car than the TT, will always be just an upgraded Golf to me. Also the Mk I & II Golfs, the GTi was a whole lot different looking car to the regular - not so now.

I also can't see the interest in a Focus RS. Again, no matter how good it is I will always see it as a Focus. And Focii are like ar**holes - everyone has one!

So it's gotta be the TT for me, it's bread to be a sports car, it looks like a sports car and it handles like a sports car. Make sure you go for the quattro though coz any half decent VAG I have driven has difficulty putting down the power smoothly in FWD.

johnplayerblue

VW all the way every time, that said the Volvo C30 is another option as SoupyNorman said TT is and always has been a ladies car...even the new shape.

razorman

I always preffered Audi.s. I have the S4 Audi 2008 the petrol model, the insurance and Taxes are killer. But the drive is not compareable with any other cars.....

cantdecide

I rate both cars highly but I'd go with the GTi...

tossy

razorman wrote: »

I have the S4 Audi 2008 the petrol model.

As opposed to the Diesel model?

MK4 GTI or MK1 TT,no competition TT every time but only the 225 quattro one,the 180 FWD is just a 2 seater golf.

Their are some great examples of TT's available in the uk,i know of a 'twin scroll' 388bhp roadster for sale in the UK at the moment within your budget.

MarkN

Vanbis wrote: »

Like i said i've not driven a Audi TT but i personally think the Golf GTI not only looks better but would be sure it drives better as well.

?? Never heard anything as daft.

The TT is a coupe, lower centre of gravity for starters.

I've had a few GTIs and as they're the same engine as the TT it's pretty clear. Do you want the engine for the driving and cause you like the performance or do you want to look flash in a TT and like the looks etc?

Don't agree that the TT is a woman's car particularly the newer model and do you really care what other people think anyway!

Vanbis

MarkN wrote: »

?? Never heard anything as daft.

My opnion and until i drive a Audi TT which wont be any time soon i think the GTI is a better drive and more comfortable as well.

futura123

mark 2 TT is leaps and bounds ahead of mark 1 TT...... the new TT is not a golf in fancy clothing, its got an ultra light chassis of aluminium i think and the stronic transmission is a joy... devours the gti any day...... quattro ftw but think its only available in tts or ttrs and soon to be defunct 3.2 V6

futura123

Vanbis wrote: »

My opnion and until i drive a Audi TT which wont be any time soon i think the GTI is a better drive and more comfortable as well.

silly remark u havent even driven a TT:rolleyes:

CianRyan

If I was given a brand new Golf GTI I'd sell it and buy a TT.

futura123

http://allworldcars.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/audi_tt_s_mtm_2.jpg

Crackity Jones

Have driven both. GTi (mk v) is a cracker but interior is below Audi standard. Big advantage is if you can get TT with quattro. Fantastic drive. You won't be too upset with a Gti. Depends really on how practical u need car to be. 5 doors vs 2 etc.

conneem-TT

I think for 15-20k you'd be looking at a MKI TT vs MKV GTI, as the cheapest MKII for sale currently is at 27.5k but you might be able to haggle down to 25k.

So I'd really be aiming for a quattro MKI TT 225 if you can because the MKV GTI is a very good performer but you will have to consider if you want useable back seats.

I can't comment on the drive as I've never had a go in a MKI TT but looks wise the TT definitely has it. It is still a special looking car and relatively rare on our roads compared to the GTI.

Plug

Look, its like this. The GTI and TT have the same chassis, they were made by the same Germans in the same country by the same company, they also share engines.

If picking the mk4 GTI between the mk1 TT i'd go for the mk1 TT.
If picking between the MK5 GTI and MK2 TT go for the MK5 GTI.
MK5 GTI, possibly one of the best car ever made.

conneem-TT

Plug wrote: »

Look, its like this. The GTI and TT have the same chassis, they were made by the same nazi's in the same country by the same company, they also share engines.

If picking the mk4 GTI between the mk1 TT i'd go for the mk1 TT.
If picking between the MK5 GTI and MK2 TT go for the MK5 GTI.
MK5 GTI, possibly one of the best car ever made.

And the MKII TT is just another step up but it will cost you. However I have to say that the GTI is probably the best all round car you can buy here, performance, looks, practicallity

In relation to the TT it is not based on the Golf it just shares the same platform as many cars do today to keep costs down, ie. wiring harness, drivetrains and gearboxes, but the TT has a bespoke chassis, suspension, exhaust system and different track widths (the TT is actually slightly wider than a 5 series) among other things. And lets not forget that the TT is constructed mainly from aluminium to make it 100kg lighter than the GTI but even little things such as putting the battery under the boot to get better weight balance are also done

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=459a8e5f53994&car2=459bb03276e82

Crackity Jones

Plug wrote: »

they were made by the same nazi's

no need for that nasty comment

futura123

conneem-TT wrote: »

And the MKII TT is just another step up but it will cost you. However I have to say that the GTI is probably the best all round car you can buy here, performance, looks, practicallity

In relation to the TT it is not based on the Golf it just shares the same platform as many cars do today to keep costs down, ie. wiring harness, drivetrains and gearboxes, but the TT has a bespoke chassis, suspension, exhaust system and different track widths (the TT is actually slightly wider than a 5 series) among other things. And lets not forget that the TT is constructed mainly from aluminium to make it 100kg lighter than the GTI but even little things such as putting the battery under the boot to get better weight balance are also done

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=459a8e5f53994&car2=459bb03276e82

and the neat retractable spoiler and 3D tail lights......
comparing a common GTI and a TT is not very valid

Eoin

Plug, I've edited your post - it seemed quite uncalled for.

liamw

conneem-TT wrote: »

I think for 15-20k you'd be looking at a MKI TT vs MKV GTI

Ye, from the prices I've seen I think that's the choice I have, and so far it sounds like MKV GTI. Also, my friend keeps throwing in the AUDI A3 as a better option and a better drive according to him so I'll consider that too but then it comes down to performance vs. fuel consumption :rolleyes:

conneem-TT

Plug wrote: »

they were made by the same Germans in the same country

I'd say the Hungarians that assemble the TT (and many other cars and 90% of Audi's engines) would have something to say for that

Plug

Ah yeah, sorry, I was trying to sound like clarkson there!:D Sorry again:(

Plug

conneem-TT wrote: »

And the MKII TT is just another step up but it will cost you. However I have to say that the GTI is probably the best all round car you can buy here, performance, looks, practicallity

In relation to the TT it is not based on the Golf it just shares the same platform as many cars do today to keep costs down, ie. wiring harness, drivetrains and gearboxes, but the TT has a bespoke chassis, suspension, exhaust system and different track widths (the TT is actually slightly wider than a 5 series) among other things. And lets not forget that the TT is constructed mainly from aluminium to make it 100kg lighter than the GTI but even little things such as putting the battery under the boot to get better weight balance are also done

http://www.fastestlaps.com/index.php?page_id=compare&car1=459a8e5f53994&car2=459bb03276e82

Cheers for that, that cleared alot up. But what about the mk1 TT and mk4 gti? Are they the same chassis? I'm sure I heard it somewhere.

conneem-TT

Plug wrote: »

Cheers for that, that cleared alot up. But what about the mk1 TT and mk4 gti? Are they the same chassis? I'm sure I heard it somewhere.

I not 100% sure on that but I've read that "the TT MkI was spun off the Golf chassis" (whatever that means), while the MKII has a unique platform although powertrains, the steering rack ect.. are shared with the latest Golf

mickdw

I had a TT mk1 180 bhp quattro. Great car. It might share components with the golf but given the tighter suspension and the much lower and possibly wider chassis, it handled brilliantly. One poster stated that Mk 5 gti is better than TT without having driven any TT ever. This is just crap to be coming out with. The TT is not a hairdressers car and can really be driven! The ease of control of rear end slides was a great surprise to me as I originally felt that with the tight suspension and mayos rough roads that the back would be inclined to skip away on the rough surface but no, it was brilliant and inspired confidence to push it beyond its limits.
I have never driven a modern golf and I dont doubt the gti is a great handling car but its a golf.

Vanbis

mickdw wrote: »

One poster stated that Mk 5 gti is better than TT without having driven any TT ever. This is just crap to be coming out with.

If i've never driven a Audi TT then i can't comment so i was bigging up the Golf GTi because i have one and i think its great to drive.

mickdw wrote: »

I have never driven a modern golf and I dont doubt the gti is a great handling car but its a golf.

The pot calling the kettle black :rolleyes:

mickdw

Vanbis wrote: »

The pot calling the kettle black :rolleyes:

I did say that .... I didnt doubt that the gti was a great handling car thus not condemning it over something Id no experience of. Given it the full benefit of the doubt if ya like.
I am however entitled to condemn it on the grounds of it looking like a golf as its my opinion that any golf is just not good enough styling wise and fit & finish wise also.

tossy

Vanbis wrote: »

My opnion and until i drive a Audi TT which wont be any time soon i think the GTI is a better drive and more comfortable as well.

This is like saying i've never driven an M5,but until i do the b5 1.9 TDI passat is a better drive,You can't have an opinion on which is the better car until you have driven both,you are perfectly entitled to the opinion that the GTI is a great car however.

futura123 wrote: »

the new TT is not a golf in fancy clothing

I think he is talking about mk1 TT v's MK4 GTI judging by his budget.The mk1 TT was a golf in fancy clothing it was a golf with decent brakes,suspension plus rear independent suspension (quattro) that is pretty fancy clothing in my eyes and enough to make it a different car to drive.

Anyone who classes either the mk1 or mk2 TT's as girls cars is insane,if you get both in the right spec/engine the are proper drivers cars.

Vanbis

tossy wrote: »

This is like saying i've never driven an M5,but until i do the b5 1.9 TDI passat is a better drive,You can't have an opinion on which is the better car until you have driven both,you are perfectly entitled to the opinion that the GTI is a great car however.

Thats all i was trying to say, on paper the TT does look to out perform the GTI but it comes down to personal choice for the OP and i was just my opnion on the GTI

.Longshanks.

tossy wrote: »

This is like saying i've never driven an M5,but until i do the b5 1.9 TDI passat is a better drive,You can't have an opinion on which is the better car until you have driven both,you are perfectly entitled to the opinion that the GTI is a great car however.




I think he is talking about mk1 TT v's MK4 GTI judging by his budget.The mk1 TT was a golf in fancy clothing it was a golf with decent brakes,suspension plus rear independent suspension (quattro) that is pretty fancy clothing in my eyes and enough to make it a different car to drive.

Anyone who classes either the mk1 or mk2 TT's as girls cars is insane,if you get both in the right spec/engine the are proper drivers cars.

Agreed! Maybe an mx5 but i fail to see why the TT is thought of as a hairdressers car!

galwaytt

OP, realistically (and I've had 2 x TT's), it's down to style. There may be some dynamic differences between the Golf an TT, but they do share a lot.

What they don't share, though, is who they're aimed at: you either want a Coupé or a Hot Hatch, and there are people who want one over the other.

If you have 4 people to carry (adults, etc), it doesn't matter how good the TT is, it's no good. Fine if your 2x for the rear are small kids, but otherwise forget it.

If you don't need back seat capacity at all - you don't need a Golf, so why bother - your life is long enough for that to happen.......can't say the same about Coupés...... Both are hatchbacks, and will do most day-day stuff, buggy carrying included

What will sell one over the other is:

• The TT was designed to be high-end - esp the interior. It has influenced every car since, for it's use of materials and design generally
• The Golf was designed as 1.4 shopping car. Putting a fine engine into it makes it.........look like a shopping car with a bodykit on it. All IMHO, you understand......
• I dunno about you, but I spend more time inside my car than looking at it from outside. In which case no matter how good a Golf is, it'll never tick any boxes from me.....adding Pasha seats doesn't make it a sports car, either.....
• Both drive very well, and are accomplised cars. For me though, quattro is the winner. End of Golf.

Anecdotal, maybe, but TT's tend to be minded, poss more so than Golf's. (no science..)


Finally, budget: 15-20k can buy you a huge range of either. What I would say, though, is that if buying a Mk1 TT, that an early one is as good as a later one - the advantage of a long model run, so 10k would get you a stormer, and leave 5k left over. Why spend it if you don't have to ?

.Longshanks.

....question re: TT's

Does the 225bhp version a Quattro as standard? I know the 180bhp can be got in 2 or 4 wheel drive

Boots2006

liamw wrote: »

Thanks for quick replies.. I will take it for a test drive tomorrow. I kind of prefer the look of the TT though. Is it just that the GTI drives better?

If you like the design, go for a TT. Both a v good cars, but the TT would have an edge on both design and spec.

We currently have a mk1 TT 225 and its a great car. I've been in a couple of 2.0T audis (same engine as GTI), and the power delivery seems to be a bit smoother in the 2.0T, you get more of a surge in the TT when the turbo spools up above 2 - 2.5k rpm.

The TT's 4wd is great in the wet, but takes a bit of getting used to, as its electronically controlled and switches between FWD and 4WD automatically. I'd be very interested to see how the GTI handles 200bhp through the fronts on a wet day.

You might want to consider the following:
- Bi-Xenons are standard in the TT (I would never buy another car without them...)
- mpg and insurance is pretty rough on the TT (25mpg, mainly town driving)
- The Audi S3 and TT225 share the same engine and 4WD system, but there are very few S3s around, I'd say this is what your mate was talking about
- Leather interior is standard in the TT, with heated seats
- The TT design (inside and out) was unique in its day (and still is to some extent)
- Some 05 GTIs have a sunroof but NO aircon :eek:
- The GTI is a newer car all round however ...

If I was handed a GTI in the morning, I'd be very disappointed if it wasn't very highly specced. If even if it was a high spec one, I think I'd still miss the 4wd.

ofthelord

TT all the way !

Boots2006

Longshanks100 wrote: »

....question re: TT's

Does the 225bhp version a Quattro as standard? I know the 180bhp can be got in 2 or 4 wheel drive

Yes, it was only very early 180s that were FWD, along with the 150bhp ones.
I'd imagine you'd have a problem finding a FWD TT if you looked for one...

MarkN

Vanbis wrote: »

My opnion and until i drive a Audi TT which wont be any time soon i think the GTI is a better drive and more comfortable as well.

Try having an informed opinion when you're going to tell a man why he shouldn't buy a particular car that's all I'm saying. People do actually take advice from here on board when choosing a car.

Saying a Golf GTI handles better just because you prefer the Golf and have never set foot in a TT is complete nonsense.

Vanbis

MarkN wrote: »

Try having an informed opinion when you're going to tell a man why he shouldn't buy a particular car that's all I'm saying. People do actually take advice from here on board when choosing a car.

Saying a Golf GTI handles better just because you prefer the Golf and have never set foot in a TT is complete nonsense.

yeah ok i will try next time. :rolleyes:

In fairness seeing that you have never even driven a Golf GTi then you are hardly given a "Informed opinion" as you put it.

I'm going to stop now but i think you should put that shovel down, the hole looks big enough from what i have seeing.

SV

Vanbis wrote: »

yeah ok i will try next time. :rolleyes:

In fairness seeing that you have never even driven a Golf GTi then you are hardly given a "Informed opinion" as you put it.

I'm going to stop now but i think you should put that shovel down, the hole looks big enough from what i have seeing.

Hold on, do you even realise what you said?
I'm pretty sure you're the one digging the hole.

Vanbis

SV wrote: »

Hold on, do you even realise what you said?
I'm pretty sure you're the one digging the hole.

Yes SV.

All i did was give an opnion and get attacked for it. I was told to give an informed opnion, but i also see others have just posted up with the likes of Golf GTI, GTI all the way which i hardly think is giving an informed opnion.

SV

Vanbis wrote: »

Yes SV.

All i did was give an opnion and get attacked for it. I was told to give an informed opnion, but i also see others have just posted up with the likes of Golf GTI, GTI all the way which i hardly think is giving an informed opnion.

No, they're saying what they prefer. They may have drove both but we don't know that (though I doubt it) but their opinion isn't on which is better, just what they'd prefer.

What you said is that you've only drove the golf gti but that you think it has a better drive and is more comfortable..
I mean, if you haven't drove the other then you can't make that comment can you?

Vanbis

SV wrote: »

What you said is that you've only drove the golf gti but that you think it has a better drive and is more comfortable..
I mean, if you haven't drove the other then you can't make that comment can you?

Yeah and i was ment to say i assume it would be a better drive but i wasn't going back to edit the post after it was highlighted so i left it. Anyway he said i should give an informed opnion but i didn't see him mention that to others who had posted up a comment with "GTI all the way". I'm not looking for an arugment with him or anyone buti do think he tried to attack my post only and not others.

Big Nasty

We can argue about this all day & night but both cars have very similar enginering - the major difference between both cars are the looks. If you want a sports car, buy a sports car - if not, buy a Golf!

CianRyan

Can I just make the point, right here.

The Golf is an UUUUUUUUGLY ass car.
The TT is miles ahead in looks,rarity, handling and if you get the right one it's gonna be faster too.
I guess you could give it a Remap too?

Gti, has 5 doors and a bigger boot. - If you're looking at a TT I doubt this is any sort of issue.
Can't think of anything other good point.

TT all the way.


Edit: No such thing is a woman's/man's car.
Grow up lads, ffs.
I'm younger than the lot of you and I can say that.