Elderly Scottish Woman ordered to pay loyalty fee for singing in her shop

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An elderly woman was ordered to pay the equivalent of an IMRO fee for singing known tunes in her shop. She was first approached for having a radio on in her premises, then she removed it after being cautioned about having to pay an annual fee.

She then started singing. She was then told she needed a license to sing copyrighted material as she was producing a "live preformance".

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1220423/Corner-store-worker-told-stop-singing-works--pay-licence.html

phasers

Good God the horror

Gone Drinking

I hope she sings better than she looks

Danbo!

lol @ the dope with the soup. Whats that all about?

Mossy Monk

Them are the rules.

ElaElaElano

''Spontaneous outbursts of joy"- what a line!

smk89

her 'spontaneous outbursts of joy' constitute live public performance

I have never heard a more killjoy expression in my life.

Zapho

For god sake, just leave her be. You don't see them slapping buskers with copyright infringement.

kippy

Royalty fee, surely?

petes

Mossy Monk wrote: »

Them are the rules.

My bollocks. She sang a few tunes while she was working and has to pay. Madness.

As for the guy with the soup, is that free advertising?

bluto63

Well that's fair :rolleyes:

WindSock

Leave the guy with the soup alone. He's cool. They both are.

petes

WindSock wrote: »

Leave the guy with the soup alone. He's cool. They both are.

Cup a soups are cool!!!!!!!

The Master

lol at soup guy

Mossy Monk

Insurgent wrote: »

My bollocks. She sang a few tunes while she was working and has to pay. Madness.

As for the guy with the soup, is that free advertising?

I couldn't care less for what your bollocks may think.

IvyTheTerrible

Yeah that's reasonable, cos everyone knows little old ladies are what is ruining the music industry...:rolleyes:

petes

Mossy Monk wrote: »

I couldn't care less for what your bollocks may think.

What a witty retort.

Marvinthefish

If she's too stingy to pay

an £80 annual fee to keep the radio on in the shop

then she gets what she deserves. As stated in the article she's just trying to worm her way out of paying the fee.

mikom

Stee wrote: »

lol @ the dope with the soup. Whats that all about?

Sorry to tell you it's a gay test as Jordans tits were just across the way from him.

IvyTheTerrible

Marvinthefish wrote: »

If she's too stingy to pay

then she gets what she deserves. As stated in the article she's just trying to worm her way out of paying the fee.

Why should she pay it, she got rid of the radio.

Cianos

Marvinthefish wrote: »

If she's too stingy to pay

then she gets what she deserves. As stated in the article she's just trying to worm her way out of paying the fee.

What? She deserves a fine for trying to cut costs? Maybe the shop hasn't been doing well and she needs to cut costs to keep it open.

Marvinthefish

She's still putting out copyright music in a public place. She can cut costs by ditching the radio and singing uncopyrighted music.

beardo81

Does this mean when we sing along at concerts we'll all have to pay royalties on the way out? I can see Bono coming back for another few gigs at Croker so!!!

ShooterSF

Marvinthefish wrote: »

She's still putting out copyright music in a public place. She can cut costs by ditching the radio and singing uncopyrighted music.

If they're going to go down that route let them start with the bands that play in pubs surely.

Oh and LOL @

'I'll basically just sing anything that comes into my head, and then Dale will start singing along with me, and people in the shop will say 'Oh I know that song too', and they'll start singing along too. It's a happy store.

Sounds like they're living in one of those horrible cheesy musical films.

Marvinthefish

ShooterSF wrote: »

If they're going to go down that route let them start with the bands that play in pubs surely.

p 4 of this document from The Performing Rights Society (PRS)

It seems to me the woman in the article was being obtuse just because she got caught and was too stingy to pay up.

ibarelycare

56 is hardly elderly!

IvyTheTerrible

Marvinthefish wrote: »

She's still putting out copyright music in a public place. She can cut costs by ditching the radio and singing uncopyrighted music.

She DID ditch the radio, that's the point.

Marvinthefish

Sorry should have put in an emphasis:

She can cut costs by ditching the radio and singing uncopyrighted songs/music

Mal-Adjusted

*facepalm*

stovelid

IvyTheTerrible wrote: »

Yeah that's reasonable, cos everyone knows little old ladies are what is ruining the music industry...:rolleyes:

True. I haven't rated Madonna since the 80s.

IvyTheTerrible

stovelid wrote: »

True. I haven't rated Madonna since the 80s.

She's not a lady...

ShooterSF

Marvinthefish wrote: »

p 4 of this document from The Performing Rights Society (PRS)

I've never seen it enforced in pubs I've worked but to be fair that's a tiny sample so fair enough.

It seems to me the woman in the article was being obtuse just because she got caught and was too stingy to pay up.

It's seems to me the PRS crowd are being the obtuse ones as they expect you to pay up rather than get rid of your radio. Do you want to go around fining anyone that sings in public (not that banning singing would be a bad thing :pac:).
Anyway why is it illegal to have a radio playing in a shop. Has the radio station not licensed the songs to play on their station?

ejmaztec

ibarelycare wrote: »

56 is hardly elderly!

I assumed that she was 95 and barely alive.:eek:

kavoweb

Why has the ol' coffin dodgin' bint glued some of the smarties on the ends of her fingers? :eek: Both her and soupy normal are weird!!!*





*in a Father Ted grocery shop kinda way

Shoop

That Dale is some **** eh?

Marvinthefish

beardo81 wrote: »

Does this mean when we sing along at concerts we'll all have to pay royalties on the way out?

I'd say these singing people would be exempt because they've already paid the artist for their work in the price of the ticket. Once they don't sing on the way home...

ShooterSF wrote: »

It's seems to me the PRS crowd are being the obtuse ones as they expect you to pay up rather than get rid of your radio. Do you want to go around fining anyone that sings in public (not that banning singing would be a bad thing :pac:).
Anyway why is it illegal to have a radio playing in a shop. Has the radio station not licensed the songs to play on their station?

Maybe "singing in public" was the wrong term. But should not an artist expect some compensation when their work is played in, say, a shop or restaurant. Where the music is effecting customers or improving working conditions for employees in said shop/restaurant.

az2wp0sye65487

Stee wrote: »

lol @ the dope with the soup. Whats that all about?

He looks like he was just in buying a few bits & pieces when the photographer stopped by!

humanji

Is it just me or is this just a really crappy rip-off of the plot to "Be Kind Rewind"? I call shenanigans on this whole affair!

Blazer

ShooterSF wrote: »

Sounds like they're living in one of those horrible cheesy musical films.

sounds like Hell to me...burn em out I say.

wolfric

One small win for the music industry... on wait they were too distracted to see a couple 100 terabytes fly by of torrented music.

Danbo!

mikom wrote: »

Sorry to tell you it's a gay test as Jordans tits were just across the way from him.

To be honest I'd hop on the singing shopkeeper before going near that munter.

ShooterSF

Marvinthefish wrote: »

Maybe "singing in public" was the wrong term. But should not an artist expect some compensation when their work is played in, say, a shop or restaurant. Where the music is effecting customers or improving working conditions for employees in said shop/restaurant.

If she had a radio on does the station not license the songs they play? Anyway it may increase the sale of songs by having them playing in the background.

To go back to the pubs example. If your sitting in your local and they put on soaps during the day do the actors union call around looking for a license or do they get thier money from the TV station (through their employer)?

randylonghorn

Em .. her shop?

She got rid of the radio because she was too stingy to pay?

article wrote:

Music police have told a grandmother to stop singing behind the counter of the corner shop where she works - or pay for a licence.

So she's been hassled to pay a fee because she sings as she stacks shelves where she works?

Arse, tbh!

Mossy Monk

Insurgent wrote: »

What a witty retort.

I am glad you agree. One would think you and I had engaged in a conversation or something.

orourkeda

She should be let away with it if she can sing a full Pantera song and make it sound convincing

consultech

kippy wrote: »

Royalty fee, surely?

Took all too long for anyone to mention that! Nothin like a good ol Friday night malapropism...

Overheal

randylonghorn wrote: »

Em .. her shop?

She got rid of the radio because she was too stingy to pay?



So she's been hassled to pay a fee because she sings as she stacks shelves where she works?

Arse, tbh!

in similar \news a justice recently ruled against record companies who were moving to make it a royalty payout every time a song-ringtone was played: as in everytime that phone rang, versus the royalty paid when the tone is bought. /shudder

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Gone Drinking wrote: »

I hope she sings better than she looks

Fairly fit for a granny

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/tayside_and_central/8317952.stm

Apology for singing shop worker

Sandra Burt was told she needed a licence to sing in the store

A shop assistant who was told she could not sing while she stacked shelves without a performance licence has been given an apology.

Sandra Burt, 56, who works at A&T Food store in Clackmannanshire, was warned she could be fined for her singing by the Performing Right Society (PRS).

However the organisation that collects royalties on behalf of the music industry has now reversed its stance.

They have sent Mrs Burt a bouquet of flowers and letter of apology.

They've apologised after making themselves out to be a bunch of complete ****

Mrmoe

The PRS can fuck right off, I am going to download as much music now as I can to piss them off. Bunch of kn0b heads so they are.

Guy:Incognito

I'm dissapointed RTDH. It's not like you to try sensationalise a story.

"elderly"? really? she's 56.