Should we pay charges for water?

DrumSteve

Green Water Charges

Just seen this this morning.


while i do agree to some extent i believe that water is a vital service and one that should not be charged for. excessive usage should incur some fine maybe but consistent charging is not a good idea. beside when you bring in a charge for this it will only go up.

Wazdakka

Do The Arab's pay for Sand?

Hellrazer

It pisses rain in this country for 365 days a year and they want us to pay for it.

Fook that.Bunch of loony hippies.

Greens just lost my vote after this weekends shambles.

hoochio

It's not the publics water use that's the problem-it's our leaky antiquated pipes imo that are wasting most of the water in this country

hobochris

With the amount of rain in this country we do not have a water shortage, so this charge is not needed imo.

Water is a basic human need, people cant live without drinking it in one form or another, as such I feel people should be entitled to it without charge.

Its just another tax That IMO cannot be justified.

Rather then deal with out of control public expenditure this government see's the electorate as collective cash cows waiting to be milked.

What next a credit card slot on a defibrillator?

K-Ren

I think it's a bit of a joke, the boil notice we've had on our water for over a year still hasn't been lifted. Not that there's anything wrong with it though *mutated flinch*

johnny_adidas

if they do charge for it, wont they open themselves up to all sorts of claims for hard water damage (or installation of systems to prevent such damage) which is a particularly bad in my locality?

Long Onion

May I respectfully point out that everyone in the countryside pays for water every year, year in, year out. So, either do not introduce rates and subsidise rural water schemes or introduce rates for urban dwellers - either way, can we have a level of equity please?

Dr_Teeth

We already pay for our water through taxes, it's not like it magically appears in our taps.

Mr. Presentable

Yes we should. But we should not be paying on the quoted "reduce waste" justification while the system leaks 30-40% of carriage (IIRC). Nor should we be charged directly for the metres, as is likely to happen

My name is URL

More & more bills for more & more people that are already struggling

pisses me off... there'll probably be a charge on that soon too

Mr. Presentable

Hellrazer wrote: »

Fook that.Bunch of loony hippies.

Greens just lost my vote after this weekends shambles.

They would never get mine. They are a big part of the reason this country is in the toilet.

Hellrazer

nipplenuts wrote: »

They would never get mine. They are a big part of the reason this country is in the toilet.

Only gave them the vote because they said they`d never go into government with FF :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Id say they`lll find it hard to get the water charges in place though.I didnt pay them the last time and I wont be paying them this time.

Jesus Wept

Time to fill the bath up.

Krieg

Id happily pay extra charge for water, provided it was clean, clear of cystosporidium and lead.

Galway here btw

therewillbe

No!It is a basic need and it should not become a burden for anyone to find monies for .F.....g greens, go back to your CAVES .

therewillbe

The-Rigger wrote: »

Time to fill the bath up.

Will we wash in it before we drink it?

lucylu

I won't be.
I paid to have my own 300ft Well bore, its submersible pump, water testing and water treatment. No way am I paying charges for that.

_ZeeK_

i'm from galway and will be absolutely refusing to pay any charges for ****ty water that has given us eColi, Cryptos Spuridium and is full of lead.

what a load of bollocks

Hail 2 Da Chimp

"Should we pay for water:" I thought thats why I was paying tax?

Hellrazer

lucylu wrote: »

I won't be.
I paid to have my own 300ft Well bore, its submersible pump, water testing and water treatment. No way am I paying charges for that.

I wonder would you get away with putting in your own well in a housing estate

Jesus Wept

What's all this basic need crap? Food is a basic need too but it's not free.

I don't want to pay water charges anymore than anybody else, but I'm not buying this 'basic need' line thus far.

cosmic

Access to clean water should be a basic human right :mad:

_ZeeK_

cosmic wrote: »

Access to clean water should be a basic human right :mad:

not in galway its not..

and now they want us to pay for it!

Jaysoose

There is no shortage of water in this country and any loss is caused by our crappy pipes which taxes already paid for so they can stick their water charge up their arse before i will pay it.

Also will a water charge be applied on every apartment in a block even though the supply comes in through ONE main pipe?

Its a stealth tax so please just call it 'The Water Tax' dont take us all for fools and attach some bullsh1t green agenda as if we dont know what you are doing, you bunch of hypocritical cvnts.

hobochris

The-Rigger wrote: »

What's all this basic need crap? Food is a basic need too but it's not free.

I don't want to pay water charges anymore than anybody else, but I'm not buying this 'basic need' line thus far.

Actually you can live without food for sustained periods of time, try living with out water for a few weeks..

see here if you don't believe me: http://www.survivaltopics.com/survival/how-long-can-you-survive-without-water/

this charge tax is like taxing air.

DrumSteve

The-Rigger wrote: »

What's all this basic need crap? Food is a basic need too but it's not free.

I don't want to pay water charges anymore than anybody else, but I'm not buying this 'basic need' line thus far.

How long can the human body go without food compared to how long it can go without water?

It is a basic need. to deny that is folly to say the least and it worst trolling at its most pedantic.

Edit: hobochris beat me to it.... lol.

Jesus Wept

hobochris wrote: »

Actually you can live without food for sustained periods of time, try living with out water for a few weeks..

see here if you don't believe me: http://www.survivaltopics.com/survival/how-long-can-you-survive-without-water/

DrumSteve wrote: »

How long can the human body go without food compared to how long it can go without water?

It is a basic need. to deny that is folly to say the least and it worst trolling at its most pedantic.

Edit: hobochris beat me to it.... lol.

Are you either of you suggesting that food isn't a basic need just because we can survive longer without it than water?

Mr. Presentable

_ZeeK_ wrote: »

i'm from galway and will be absolutely refusing to pay any charges for ****ty water that has given us eColi, Cryptos Spuridium and is full of lead.

what a load of bollocks

The rest of the country gets water, but Galway gets soup piped in? :eek:

hobochris

The-Rigger wrote: »

Are you either of you suggesting that food isn't a basic need just because we can survive longer without it than water?

pretty much.. yes. Go without food for a month you will live. go without water for a month and you wont be living!

Food is a lower priority need therefor it is deemed acceptable to charge for it.water on the other hand is right up there with air. we need it to live.

you could technically replace food with vitamin supplements.

Jesus Wept

hobochris wrote: »

pretty much.. yes. Go without food for a month you will live. go without water for a month and you wont be living!

Food is a lower priority need therefor it is deemed acceptable to charge for it.water on the other hand is right up there with air. we need it to live.

you could technically replace food with vitamin supplements.

I'm starting to understand why you are a hobo.

DrumSteve

The-Rigger wrote: »

Are you either of you suggesting that food isn't a basic need just because we can survive longer without it than water?

No but you have to rememeber that food or sustinance comes in many different forms. how you choose to consume it is your perogative. and sure you can grow your own food should you choose. and even if you can't you have a choice over your diet so you choose to consume what you want. and since we're in a first world country (supposedly) we help those who cant afford to eat by providing them with money to buy food. many people living in flats, apartment, houses in the middle of nowhere do not have access to wells or clean running water (unless its on tap) so they would not ahve this choice.

Trying to use the debate the it isn't a basic human need is **** to be honest.

hobochris

Actually I'm not, Its just a user name, but I would recommend you read the charter for this forum before you consider bringing personal insults into this discussion as it seems that's the direction you are going with that comment.

Prof.Badass

The-Rigger wrote: »

What's all this basic need crap? Food is a basic need too but it's not free.

I don't want to pay water charges anymore than anybody else, but I'm not buying this 'basic need' line thus far.

I believe that the government should provide all the basic needs free of charge to those who wish to avail of such services.

There should be some sort of basic nutritional sludge available free of charge to those who want it (possibly made from blenderised surplus food from shops/resteraunts).

There should also be big halls in city/town centres where people can sleep on a mat away from the cold.

I also think water, education and healthcare should be free.

DrumSteve

vinylmesh wrote: »

I also think water, education and healthcare should be free.

thats the way its supposed to be.

Long Onion

hobochris wrote: »

Actually I'm not, Its just a user name, but I would recommend you read the charter for this forum before you consider bringing personal insults into this discussion as it seems that's the direction you are going with that comment.

Touchy, touchy there me auld hobo friend. Do you not think that is just a teeney tiny bit silly to suggest that food is not a basic and essential requirement - or should we tell all those poor souls in Darfur to stop the moaning and just take a Berrocca?

Captain Havoc

We really would be the butt of all jokes, I mean people who live on an island where it rains most days of the year getting charged for water. I think we can find an alternative.

Jesus Wept

hobochris wrote: »

Actually I'm not, Its just a user name, but I would recommend you read the charter for this forum before you consider bringing personal insults into this discussion as it seems that's the direction you are going with that comment.

lol. It was clearly banter.
I'd recommend you report post/s rather than drag threads off topic.

DarkJager

What a load of bollix. We're being hit left right and centre by ****ing taxes and levies, and now these Captain Planet wannabes think we want to be paying €175 a year for water??? The Greens are an absolute joke...a party voted in by ****ing tree huggers who are more worried about trying to save the planet than save the economy. And to those who voted both the Greens and FF in last time, you can simply hang your head in shame when they bring this in. Do us all a favor, and lock yourself into your house when the next general election is on.

Mr. Presentable

jerseyeire wrote: »

We really would be the butt of all jokes, I mean people who live on an island where it rains most days of the year getting charged for water. I think we can find an alternative.

It's the delivery of the water that you'd really pay for. You could opt not to have water delivered and go out and buy it yourself.

My name is URL

nipplenuts wrote: »

It's the delivery of the water that you'd really pay for. You could opt not to have water delivered and go out and buy it yourself.

wtf is our tax going towards now then? They take 30% of my earnings to build infrastructure and then say we need to pay for the delivery of water?

It's a joke, and for this to be brought in amid everything else that's going on is fcuking low to say the least.

major bill

pay a water tax:rolleyes: what next pay for the air we breath

next time a ff or greens candidate knocks on my door il be boiling the kettle and it wnt be tea that theyl get:cool:

Long Onion

major bill wrote: »

what next pay for the air we breath

nah - just for the carbon dioxide that you breath out;)

DarkJager

major bill wrote: »

pay a water tax:rolleyes: what next pay for the air we breath

next time a ff or greens candidate knocks on my door il be boiling the kettle and it wnt be tea that theyl get:cool:

If its the Greens out canvassing, just start a bonfire with every nasty bit of styrofoam, packaging and old plastic garden furniture you can find. It will make them cry.

wilson10

I have never got anything for nothing in my life & have always said that I would be prepared to pay for water, as, contrary to what most contributers seem to think, there is a massive cost attached to the sourcing, storing and delivery of clean water, in spite of the fact that the country is awash with water most of the time.

However, I would only be prepared to pay as I use and this I see as the main problem. The cost of installing water meters in every dwelling in the country would be collossal, 12 years ago it was estimated at over 1 billion punts. All the extra housing built in the interim would make the cost absolutely prohibitive, especially in the current climate.

If the government had any sliver of foresight they could have made installation a condition of planning permission years ago but they obviously thought that the water like the money was going to flow forever.

What a shower.

Jaysoose

wilson10 wrote: »

I have never got anything for nothing in my life & have always said that I would be prepared to pay for water, as, contrary to what most contributers seem to think, there is a massive cost attached to the sourcing, storing and delivery of clean water, in spite of the fact that the country is awash with water most of the time.

However, I would only be prepared to pay as I use and this I see as the main problem. The cost of installing water meters in every dwelling in the country would be collossal, 12 years ago it was estimated at over 1 billion punts. All the extra housing built in the interim would make the cost absolutely prohibitive, especially in the current climate.

If the government had any sliver of foresight they could have made installation a condition of planning permission years ago but they obviously thought that the water like the money was going to flow forever.

What a shower.

Our tax money already pays for the upkeep (or obvious lack of) of the infrastructure so we pay for this privilige already. Nobody here is claiming that it costs nothing to get water to our homes.

Jesus Wept

Jaysoose wrote: »

Our tax money already pays for the upkeep (or obvious lack of) of the infrastructure so we pay for this privilige already. Nobody here is claiming that it costs nothing to get water to our homes.

The 'what will we pay for next - air!?!?' arguement suggest to me that some may think as much.

orourkeda

The problem is bad maintenance. One big spend will solve a lot of the wastage problems that we currently experience.

Paddy Samurai

Just to let you know if its like in Germany with my in-laws,you will have to pay twice.They pay for the water from the mains and also for the water that goes down the drain(water recycling charge).So thats a double hit.
I'm sure the irish local authories will be able to come up with some addition charges to cover their expenses and trips abroad ,if they but their minds to it.

Maybe a water evaporation charge covering air pollution from dirty wash water?.

Washout

If they can offset water charges with our other forms in tax then its ok..
provided the water charges taxes are then ring fenced to improve our water service.

Zebra3

It's a tax if it's a flat fee.

It's a charge if the cost is ratiod to usage.