New Benz E class 200cdi

dragonsgates

I was looking in MB during the week at a brand new E class (new shape) and they have them for €42,000 in Dublin. I told the salesman I can order for €21,666 ex vat and vrt from UK with 3 year warranty.

I then asked for his best price here and all he did was give me the phone no. for MB importers 01 4094444 and told me to phone them.

I had asked because I wanted to support an Irish garage, he said they would NEVER be price matching, and my figures were probably wrong, and the warranty would not be 3 years, and they would not service or do warranty work because they would have their own customers.

http://www.uknewcars.com/car_results.php?ss_manufacturer=MERCEDES-BENZ&ss_model=E+CLASS&ss_cor=7&ss_fuel=&ss_trim=&ss_doors=&ss_transmission=&manufacturer=MERCEDES-BENZ&model=E+CLASS&cor=7&fuel=&trim=&doors=&transmission=

Bandara

dragonsgates wrote: »

I was looking in MB during the week at a brand new E class (new shape) and they have them for €42,000 in Dublin. I told the salesman I can order for €21,666 ex vat and vrt from UK with 3 year warranty.

I then asked for his best price here and all he did was give me the phone no. for MB importers 01 4094444 and told me to phone them.

I had asked because I wanted to support an Irish garage, he said they would NEVER be price matching, and my figures were probably wrong, and the warranty would not be 3 years, and they would not service or do warranty work because they would have their own customers.

http://www.uknewcars.com/car_results.php?ss_manufacturer=MERCEDES-BENZ&ss_model=E+CLASS&ss_cor=7&ss_fuel=&ss_trim=&ss_doors=&ss_transmission=&manufacturer=MERCEDES-BENZ&model=E+CLASS&cor=7&fuel=&trim=&doors=&transmission=

You can buy it for £24916 from that link you posted, this is €26998 at todays currency rates, the vrt on the car is listed as €16246 on the Revenue site, this makes the car €43,244 AND thats without the VAT.

So the Irish salesman is about €1500 cheaper and when you take the vat out of it the Irish Dealer is OVER NINE GRAND cheaper !!!

Sorry, maybe I am missing something here?

Saab Ed

Hammertime wrote: »

You can buy it for £24916 from that link you posted, this is €26998 at todays currency rates, the vrt on the car is listed as €16246 on the Revenue site, this makes the car €43,244 AND thats without the VAT.

So the Irish salesman is about €1500 cheaper and when you take the vat out of it the Irish Dealer is OVER NINE GRAND cheaper !!!

Sorry, maybe I am missing something here?

You just piped me to it there...thats what I thought!!!!

dragonsgates

Saab Ed wrote: »

You just piped me to it there...thats what I thought!!!!

Lads, VRT is 16%.

£21,666 is ex VAT UK = €23,550 + €5,063 Irish Vat + €6,000 VRT approx

Saab Ed

dragonsgates wrote: »

Lads, VRT is 16%.

£21,666 is ex VAT UK = €23,550 + €5,063 Irish Vat + €6,000 VRT approx

Is that a manual?

dragonsgates

Saab Ed wrote: »

Is that a manual?

band B

mickdw

21666 sterling vat free export from uk = €24620 buying sterling @ 88p.
Irish VAT based on invoice price =24620 * 1.21 = 29790 euro.

Vrt @ 16% of 42k approx = 6700 euro

Total = 36,500 approx

Saab Ed

dragonsgates wrote: »

band B

Yeah I know but is it a manual car you're thinking of buying? Also I just went through that pricelist you gave the link for and if you click continue at the bottom of the page then it brings you through to more menus where you have to up spec the car. Now to have anything but the worst of worst poverty spec mercs you'll have to click alot of thoses boxes. I just wonder if the spec is the same as the Irish car as side airbags are one of the options on the list!

Bandara

A manual Merc?









* runs away screaming.....

zod

Saab Ed wrote: »

Yeah I know but is it a manual car you're thinking of buying? Also I just went through that pricelist you gave the link for and if you click continue at the bottom of the page then it brings you through to more menus where you have to up spec the car. Now to have anything but the worst of worst poverty spec mercs you'll have to click alot of thoses boxes. I just wonder if the spec is the same as the Irish car as side airbags are one of the options on the list!

the manual is the only one that qualifies for the low co2 band afaik, the irish spec is usually lower!

Also manuals are the norm in Ireland for BMW 5 series now for same co2 reason .. a car in the same class.

Bandara

zod wrote: »

the manual is the only one that qualifies for the low co2 band afaik, the irish spec is usually lower!

Also manuals are the norm in Ireland for BMW 5 series now for same co2 reason .. a car in the same class.

yes but the bmw manual box actually works.

mickdw

The Irish cars dont get an awful lot spec wise in the base model. Id say spending like for like between here & uk you would certainly end up with more stuff by buying in uk plus 3 year warranty.

I hate that crap the dealers go on with saying warranty wont stand & they wont service it. Im sure they wont turn down work, its not as busy as they are. My Local audi dealer was complaining about how he was trying to keep 7 men going in the service area so cant see anyone refusing work

Saab Ed

zod wrote: »

the irish spec is usually lower!

Not true. Uk cars are usually a better spec by the time they land here because they are up-speced by the original buyer but the out of the box UK spec is 99% of the time lower. Because the ROI is such a small market the the distributor will normally order cars with so called " must haves " and this will push the price up on what seems to be a like for like car. I'm not having a go at the OP here by the way , I just dont believe that there is such a gap between the " Very same " car in the UK....On the other hand OP you just cant buy a manual Merc E unless you never ever intend to sell it.

dragonsgates

mickdw wrote: »

21666 sterling vat free export from uk = €24620 buying sterling @ 88p.
Irish VAT based on invoice price =24620 * 1.21 = 29790 euro.

Vrt @ 16% of 42k approx = 6700 euro

Total = 36,500 approx

Sort of on the right lines

BUT

todays rate .922 = €23,498 + 21.5 % VAT = €28,550

Vrt @ 16% of (90% of 42k = €37,800) approx = €6,048 euro

mickdw

dragonsgates wrote: »

Sort of on the right lines

BUT

todays rate .922 = €23,498 + 21.5 % VAT = €28,550

Vrt @ 16% of (90% of 42k = €37,800) approx = €6,048 euro

Can you get sterling at .922? how?

The vrt calculator is stating omsp of 42k?

yes, VAT should be 21.5% as you say.

RedorDead

dragonsgates wrote: »

Sort of on the right lines

BUT

todays rate .922 = €23,498 + 21.5 % VAT = €28,550

Vrt @ 16% of (90% of 42k = €37,800) approx = €6,048 euro

That OMSP should be 92% =

Vrt @ 16% of (92% of 42100k = €38,732) approx = €6,197 euro

dragonsgates

The car is just over €34,000 Brand new even after paying €11 grand tax.

How is there an 8 grand difference.

Mercedes in Ireland are very dismissive of this and seem to think that people here don't mind by spouting the usual BS about Spec, Warranty to scare people.

Also who would have believed that you could get a new E class MB for for €23,000 tax free.

Drummerboy08

But if you buy a brand new car in the UK, do you not have to pay VAT on top of all this? Which would make it horribly more expensive than the Irish equivilent?

This thread reminds me of the BMW 520d threads y our best mate Loveducati2.......;)

irisheddie85

I thought if you bought a car in england brand new you had to pay english vat and then if it was under 6 months old you had to pay irish vat on importing it.

Maybe i picked something up wrong when i heard this originally.

Anan1

dragonsgates wrote: »

and they would not service or do warranty work because they would have their own customers.

That alone would bury the dealership in my book.

dragonsgates

Anan1 wrote: »

That alone would bury the dealership in my book.

I know, they are so arrogant. I really want to do a deal here as well but 8 grand difference is just too much.

Any merc people here.

dragonsgates

irisheddie85 wrote: »

I thought if you bought a car in england brand new you had to pay english vat and then if it was under 6 months old you had to pay irish vat on importing it.

Maybe i picked something up wrong when i heard this originally.

buying it tax free from UK

Anan1

Just import one and keep the €8000, that's what i'd do. Make sure to order to at least basic ROI spec though, and don't forget to specify km clocks.

dragonsgates

Anan1 wrote: »

Just import one and keep the €8000, that's what i'd do. Make sure to order to at least basic ROI spec though, and don't forget to specify km clocks.

KM clocks, I had not thought of that.

Its a great deal, an E class for the price of an Insignia

Drummerboy08

dragonsgates wrote: »

I know, they are so arrogant. I really want to do a deal here as well but 8 grand difference is just too much.

dragonsgates wrote: »

buying it tax free from UK

Ah, hold on a minute. You cant go saying things like the above, when you are a buyer with a massive advantage over 99% of other buyers - your buying in VAT free!

It may make the UK cheaper for you, but for the majority of other buyers, the irish car is still cheaper. The new E Class is very competitively priced in the Irish market - Its alot cheaper than the equivilent 5 series.

Anan1

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Ah, hold on a minute. You cant go saying things like the above, when you are a buyer with a massive advantage over 99% of other buyers - your buying in VAT free!

It may make the UK cheaper for you, but for the majority of other buyers, the irish car is still cheaper. The new E Class is very competitively priced in the Irish market - Its alot cheaper than the equivilent 5 series.

He'll be buying the car tax-free, but he'll be paying ROI VRT and VAT here - at least that's my understanding.

dragonsgates

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Ah, hold on a minute. You cant go saying things like the above, when you are a buyer with a massive advantage over 99% of other buyers - your buying in VAT free!

It may make the UK cheaper for you, but for the majority of other buyers, the irish car is still cheaper. The new E Class is very competitively priced in the Irish market - Its alot cheaper than the equivilent 5 series.

Why bother posting if you have not read the thread

dragonsgates wrote: »

The car is just over €34,000 Brand new even after paying €11 grand tax.

How is there an 8 grand difference.

Mercedes in Ireland are very dismissive of this and seem to think that people here don't mind by spouting the usual BS about Spec, Warranty to scare people.

Also who would have believed that you could get a new E class MB for for €23,000 tax free.

Saab Ed

Guys the OP is'nt looking at like for like. I pointed this out yesterday but he just ignored it. The UK car has an inferior spec out of the box. Im no Merc expert but you can look for yourselves:

http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/unitedkingdom/mpc/mpc_unitedkingdom_website/en/home_mpc/passengercars/home/new_cars/models/e-class/w212/equipment_accessories/standard_equipment.html

versus....

http://www.mercedes-benz.ie/content/ireland/mpc/mpc_ireland_website/enng/home_mpc/passengercars/home/new_cars/models/e-class/w212/equipment_accessories/standard_optional_equipment.html

Drummerboy08

Anan1 wrote: »

He'll be buying the car tax-free, but he'll be paying ROI VRT and VAT here - at least that's my understanding.

But unless he's buying a pre-reg thats either 6 months old, or has 6,000kms or more, he'll still have to pay UK and Irl VAT, wont he?

Ice_Box

The UK Avantgarde has real leather while the irish one has fake leather. Also no mention of blueteeth on the irish one while its standard in UK.

UK has Front seats with electrical height / back adjustment, drivers seat with manual lumbar support and Heated front seats as standard in all models.

copacetic

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

But unless he's buying a pre-reg thats either 6 months old, or has 6,000kms or more, he'll still have to pay UK and Irl VAT, wont he?

No, within the EU you only pay VAT once.

If the car as classed as new (<6 months old or <6k kms), then you have to pay Irish VAT but not UK VAT. Discussed many times on the various BMW threads.

Saab Ed wrote: »

Guys the OP is'nt looking at like for like. I pointed this out yesterday but he just ignored it. The UK car has an inferior spec out of the box. Im no Merc expert but you can look for yourselves:

http://www2.mercedes-benz.co.uk/content/unitedkingdom/mpc/mpc_unitedkingdom_website/en/home_mpc/passengercars/home/new_cars/models/e-class/w212/equipment_accessories/standard_equipment.html

versus....

http://www.mercedes-benz.ie/content/ireland/mpc/mpc_ireland_website/enng/home_mpc/passengercars/home/new_cars/models/e-class/w212/equipment_accessories/standard_optional_equipment.html

No Merc expert either, but how is that spec inferior? it looks better in UK if anything.

Drummerboy08

I'm confused. If the OP isnt paying VAT on the car, is it not logical to assume the car will be cheaper in the UK?

Is it not also safe to assume that my other point still remains - the OP has a big advantage over the majority of other buyers, in that he doesnt have to pay VAT? That the E Class still represents very good value to the Irish buyer who has to pay VAT?

mickdw

You are wrong drummerboy. The OP has no advantage here. Anybody can go to uk and take a brand new car out of there vat free by filling out a vat form at the dealer. You must however pay vat in ireland when it arrives here and the vat would be paid at the irish percentage based on uk invoice price paid.
The dealers often try to make people pay the vat and then give it back once proof of payment in ireland is produced but this should never be required. You dont have to be a business user or have any special credentials as you are still paying vat once and once only as any other buyer is doing.

From uk revenue:

Exporting your motor vehicle to another EU country from the UK
If you buy a new motor vehicle in the UK to take to somewhere else in the EU, you'll have to pay VAT on the vehicle in the other country when you arrive there. You won't have to pay UK VAT when you buy the car if you do all three of these things:

you or your authorised driver personally take delivery of the new vehicle in the UK
you export it within two months of its supply to you
you and your supplier complete and sign form VAT 411 and send it to the address on the form

Obtain form VAT 411 New Means of Transport

vectra

mickdw wrote: »

You are wrong drummerboy. The OP has no advantage here. Anybody can go to uk and take a brand new car out of there vat free by filling out a vat form at the dealer. You must however pay vat in ireland when it arrives here and the vat would be paid at the irish percentage based on uk invoice price paid.
The dealers often try to make people pay the vat and then give it back once proof of payment in ireland is produced but this should never be required. You dont have to be a business user or have any special credentials as you are still paying vat once and once only as any other buyer is doing.

This is interesting.
Sorry for hijacking the thread but if somebody had a Primary Medical Cert which allows them buy a car with a reduction on VAT and VRT bought a car in the UK (Minus VAT ) what way would it work out here?
A) Pay the VAT & VRT then reclaim what is due

pay only what is due minus the reduction they are entitled to ?

Thanks

mickdw

vectra wrote: »

This is interesting.
Sorry for hijacking the thread but if somebody had a Primary Medical Cert which allows them buy a car with a reduction on VAT and VRT bought a car in the UK (Minus VAT ) what way would it work out here?
A) Pay the VAT & VRT then reclaim what is due

pay only what is due minus the reduction they are entitled to ?

Thanks

It would work the same way as if you bought the car here I assume so if for example when buying the car here you have to pay everything in full and then get a cheque back from revenue due to disability entitlement or whatever, you would surely have to actually bring th new car in vat free, pay vat & vrt to revenue here and then wait for rebate.

Casati

The OP has highlighted a massive saving to be made, give or take a couple of hundred and his maths add up. The spec on the cars is almost the same, and he is paying VRT and VAT at the Irish rate. The fundamental issue is that the basic cost of the car less all vat/ vrt is 8 grand cheaper than it can be bought in most euro zone countries. If you check the price in Germany, the pre VRT/ VAT price is very similar to the Irish price

The Irish dealers also are powerless. The reality is that Mercedes and many other makes are selling cars below cost in the U.K. in order to hang onto business there, business that in the past (and will in the future) has brought them huge profits. This is all based on the fact that sterling is trading at 1.08 now, where as historically it was 1.45/ 1.50 to the euro for a number of years. If Mercedes were not to discount their cars so heavily in the U.K. and charge them the same pre VRT/ VAT as the rest of Europe, sales would stop as most buyers could simply not make the leap from spending £30k to £40k for the same car.

The OP should take advantage of this and buy the U.K.. If I was spending his money I would'nt dream of a 136 bhp E class but would spend the saving on the E250 CDI or even the E220 CDI. The manual debate will live on, but if the rest of the spec and colour is right, an E class with €150 road tax will sell easily when he's tired of it

ninty9er

You've all overlooked one basic element.

The new E-Class is arguably one of the ugliest MB models ever manufactured.

That will be all.

mickdw

approx calcs for E250cdi avantgarde with a small few extras:

Basic Vehicle Price £26,418.40
Colour (Solid - Black) £0.00
Upholstery (Leather - Natural beige) £0.00
Comfort suspension £0.00
Telephone pre-wiring with hands free facility and telephone aerial £225.19
Reversing camera £301.60
Power boot closing £378.00
Luxury automatic climate control £478.53
Ashtray and cigar lighter £24.13
Rear side airbags £257.36
Tyre pressure monitoring system £229.21
1/3 to 2/3 split folding rear seats £321.71
17" 10 twin spoke alloy wheels £0.00
Manufacturer's delivery £485.22
Road Fund Licence £150.00
First registration fee £55.00
Sub Total £29,324.33 = €32,582 (@90p conversion)
uk vat doesnt apply.
irish vat = €7005
VRT = 11 to 13000 approx paid @ 24%

Total: €51,500 approx E250 cdi avantgarde with some extras.
How much is this car here?

mickdw

In base spec its brutal but with nice spec, chrome and wheels that fill out the rear arches, its pretty good.

Stevie Dakota

It really is a cack looking car. So far removed from the days when MB's were designed, not styled.

Biro

A couple of things to note, one is that whatever the exchange rate, unless you're a bank owner you have to pay a different rate than the going one, by a few cent per pound, so on that amount it could mean 2 grand. The other is have you phoned revenue? It doesn't really matter what you calculate the VRT to be, it only matters what they look for. They might have a different notion on the OMSP.
I say calculate it 100% accurately before throwing around figures like "8 grand saving". And include travel costs.

dragonsgates

your VRT figure is wrong, the car is band B in manual form so 16% VRT and your VAT is wrong too.

£29,324 = UK price = 115% = £25,500 vat free = €27,419 euro

Vat = €5,985
Vrt = €7,344 (16% of €45,900) (90% €51,000 omsp value)

Total €39,389

So you can get a twin turbo E250cdi fully spec'd out for 3 grand less than the basic E200 here in Ireland

mickdw wrote: »

approx calcs for E250cdi avantgarde with a small few extras:

Basic Vehicle Price £26,418.40
Colour (Solid - Black) £0.00
Upholstery (Leather - Natural beige) £0.00
Comfort suspension £0.00
Telephone pre-wiring with hands free facility and telephone aerial £225.19
Reversing camera £301.60
Power boot closing £378.00
Luxury automatic climate control £478.53
Ashtray and cigar lighter £24.13
Rear side airbags £257.36
Tyre pressure monitoring system £229.21
1/3 to 2/3 split folding rear seats £321.71
17" 10 twin spoke alloy wheels £0.00
Manufacturer's delivery £485.22
Road Fund Licence £150.00
First registration fee £55.00
Sub Total £29,324.33 = €32,582 (@90p conversion)
uk vat doesnt apply.
irish vat = €7005
VRT = 11 to 13000 approx paid @ 24%

Total: €51,500 approx E250 cdi avantgarde with some extras.
How much is this car here?

dragonsgates

Biro wrote: »

A couple of things to note, one is that whatever the exchange rate, unless you're a bank owner you have to pay a different rate than the going one, by a few cent per pound, so on that amount it could mean 2 grand. The other is have you phoned revenue? It doesn't really matter what you calculate the VRT to be, it only matters what they look for. They might have a different notion on the OMSP.
I say calculate it 100% accurately before throwing around figures like "8 grand saving". And include travel costs.

There are currency sites, and credit cards. Your figure of 2 grand is ridiculous.

The VRT figures are from MB.

I'd say next time "calculate it 100% accurately before throwing around figures" you should do your calculations before spouting off.

Anan1

dragonsgates wrote: »

There are currency sites, and credit cards. Your figure of 2 grand is ridiculous.

The VRT figures are from MB.

I'd say next time "calculate it 100% accurately before throwing around figures" you should do your calculations before spouting off.

You might want to rethink the tone of this post - you are, after all, looking for advice.

mickdw

dragonsgates wrote: »

your VRT figure is wrong, the car is band B in manual form so 16% VRT and your VAT is wrong too.

£29,324 = UK price = 115% = £25,500 vat free = €27,419 euro

Vat = €5,985
Vrt = €7,344 (16% of €45,900) (90% €51,000 omsp value)

Total €39,389

So you can get a twin turbo E250cdi fully spec'd out for 3 grand less than the basic E200 here in Ireland

No. My figures might not be exact but you have got it wrong. The figures are for a E250 cdi avantgarde auto.(maybe I didnt say auto before)
The uk price of 29,324 with the options id shown was before uk vat so 25500 vat free is wrong. My VAT figure is therefore correct and the vrt is an approximation based on 24% for the auto version (156g co2) and I rough estimate of cost of extras etc.
Whatever about buying a manual E200 cdi, Auto box is the only option on a nice avantgarde E250 cdi surely. €51000 is good value for that in my opinion whereas €39389 is maybe correct for the manual, its certainly not for the auto.

dragonsgates

Anan1 wrote: »

You might want to rethink the tone of this post - you are, after all, looking for advice.

Just replying with the same tone as the poster. Do you agree?

Matt Simis

Anan1 wrote: »

You might want to rethink the tone of this post - you are, after all, looking for advice.

He is just frustrated.
In fairness to the OP, his posting and how this thread has unfolded is like going to the doctor for advise then having to explain to him how to read a patients temperature.

Just wait for someone else to post "but I want a Merc VAT free too, its unfair"..

dragonsgates

ninty9er wrote: »

You've all overlooked one basic element.

The new E-Class is arguably one of the ugliest MB models ever manufactured.

That will be all.

Nah, I think it is lovely, they are fab to drive as well, in auto or manual

dragonsgates

mickdw wrote: »

No. My figures might not be exact but you have got it wrong. The figures are for a E250 cdi avantgarde auto.(maybe I didnt say auto before)

€51000 is good value for that in my opinion whereas €39389 is maybe correct for the manual, its certainly not for the auto.

I want a manual, the UK price of an E class 250cdi with all the extras your have shown is £29 grand stg incl leather, metallic , VAT so my figures are correct. I have not done the Auto but I am glad we agree on that.

http://www.uknewcars.com/upholstery.php?V2=%C2%A327%2C946.99&colour=Metallic+-+Cuprite+brown%3D%3D527.66&Final_Price=%C2%A327%2C946.99&car_id=42984&onlyhereforthejs=0.945&prereg=

argosy2006

new cars suck for value, why not buy one thats a few months old and avoid the vat and basically get new car for 10 grand cheaper,
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Mercedes-Benz/E-Class/E-200-K-/200918192666718/advert?channel=CARS ex demo 500 miles on it,, packed with all de extras, 35000 buys it i say! and would be worth 35000 in 6 months also,,,
i never buy new,, soon as your out the gate value has dropped 7000 grand,

EPM

argosy2006 wrote: »

new cars suck for value, why not buy one thats a few months old and avoid the vat and basically get new car for 10 grand cheaper,
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Mercedes-Benz/E-Class/E-200-K-/200918192666718/advert?channel=CARS ex demo 500 miles on it,, packed with all de extras, 35000 buys it i say! and would be worth 35000 in 6 months also,,,
i never buy new,, soon as your out the gate value has dropped 7000 grand,

I agree but the OP wants a New Model diesel manual