SGU 1x01/2/3 "Air" **SPOILERS** Full Premiere Discussion

Overheal

I can't disassociate this song with the Destiny >_>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW0_kTYvARc

Stupid car commercial!

Overheal

Yup. I was at 4/5. Now with a full premiere im at 5/5. Shazam. Loved it. This show is going places. Rehashed elements being what they are, you couldnt expect this to be 100% original. Its a little unfair.

What it does have is a lot of promise.

The hallucination sequence reminded me vagualy of Teal'cs when he went through some mad ****. Not sure what it had to do with anything.. but ill have to watch again. A little too early to be doing too much of this intimate Character stuff. Too early for us to know about or care about the character. What was his name again? <---- Exactly.

I loved the mystery behind what happened with the two that went to the other planet. We have no idea. Never will have an idea. But a lesson is learned here: if the Ship says dont go: Dont ****ing go.

I didnt see the ending coming at all. Again, it bent previously established wormhole rules. However, like the Puddle Jumper incident in Pegasus broke a previous wormhole rule, and this one breaks that one, you also have 3 seperate versions of the Gate System entirely. No DHDs? WTF? Its like.... the movie.... Version 3.0 of Stargate Technology is bound to have quirks seperate to 2.0 (Pegasus) and 1.0 (Milky Way). The gate was also tied to the Destiny's presumed AI - whiched if completely retarded, would have jumped to FTL anyway and severed the connection that way. Anyway this scene was very well done.

Which reminds me, the FTL jump was pretty spiffy.

Previous questions were answered: Ancient comms is or can optionally (?) be two way. Still no clue why if it was automatic, why the Doc (damn I have to lookup his name) didnt take care of (damn i have to remember that too) Carlyle's body when HE contacted the DeptHD (Dept. of Homeworld Defense).

And especially extra spoilerage:

Who hitched a ride?

toxick

Very good episode this show has a lot of potential

Was it someone hitching a ride or was it a shuttle taken off from destiny? maybe since they got life support back something happened?

ei.sdraob

toxick wrote: »

Very good episode this show has a lot of potential

Was it someone hitching a ride or was it a shuttle taken off from destiny? maybe since they got life support back something happened?

maybe

the fresh air was toxic to whoever was hitchhiking? and they are the ones who damaged the life support??

and what happened to the two eejits that went thru to other planet? i bet will see them again

i loved the soundtrack (yet again!)

after watching this im definitely 100% sold on universe!!

as i said before Universe has something Stargate lost a long time ago, the adventure and unknowns

i cant just sit there and predict the ending like i could with Atlantis and SG1 later seasons

sutty

Fecking great ep, enjoyed the whole way through out. Cant wait for ep 4 now!!!

Who was that at the end, could have been as said above or maybe a life pod? On closer inspection there didn't seem to be a hatch or hole where it came from. MAybe it was draining power for its-self?

Loved the soundtrack, even ending song. But dont know the name of it.

Still top ep, cant wait for the next one.

Mr E

I thought the whole point of the destiny was to deposit stargates to new places as it went. Maybe that's what the ending was?

Loved this episode, and love this show. It really is going places, and its not lovey dovey everyone-is-friends like SG1 and SGA. There is conflict, risk, tension and the unknown.

In case anyone is wondering, the song at the end is Breathe by Alexi Murdoch. Beautiful song.

Leprachaun

Part 3 was amazing. Can't wait to see where the show goes.

Mr E wrote: »

I thought the whole point of the destiny was to deposit stargates to new places as it went. Maybe that's what the ending was?

No,there were other ships that went ahead of the destiny to deposit stargates. The destiny follows the path the other ships made. I'm not sure what it does exactly,maybe checks to see they're all working/connected?

The thing getting dropped off could be anything. Maybe the senetors body getting sent into space? Or supplies automatically getting sent back to people that get left behind?

ei.sdraob

do i need spoiler tag for this?

anyways



the thing dropping of is very likely an alien hitchhiker ship, something we will learn more about i suppose, see my previous theory


checkout these screens, its definitely not of ancient design (different colors) and its 100% not the shuttle pod the senators body is in

shuttlepod on port side of ship one with hole and senator
http://i34.tinypic.com/nb6y4o.png

alien thingie detaching a few hundred meters to the rear of the pod, on same side of the ship towards the back
http://i35.tinypic.com/2j362ab.png

Sherifu

That was excellent. That is all.

jor el

A hitchhiker? Cool. Whjat happened to the two that went to the other planet, or will we ever know? I wondered why Eli didn't send the orb through, to have a look around, when he was trying to contact them by radio. Maybe the gate was under water at the other side?

Anyway, a good finish to the opening 3 parter. Pity they didn't show it all together, last week.

Sarn

No doubt the pod is associated with the new enemy that they'll have to deal with in the future. You always have to have the nemesis.

It'll be interesting to see what Ancient tech is on board that requires the Ancient gene (no doubt several people have had a gene shot). The communication device could prove quite useful, allowing them to get any needed skills. Otherwise, in the absence of a qualified surgeon they'll be fairly screwed.

Overheal

Mr E wrote: »

I thought the whole point of the destiny was to deposit stargates to new places as it went. Maybe that's what the ending was?

Then how did it approach 4 stargates along its path into the outter universe?

Destiny as mentioned in pt1 i believe, and all over the wikis for months, was launched after several of her daughter ships. Those ships carried no life support and were essentially insterellar stargate fabrication plants. Whatever galaxy Destiny just passed through, one of its daughters had already been there perhaps thousands of years prior.

Overheal

jor el wrote: »

A hitchhiker? Cool. Whjat happened to the two that went to the other planet, or will we ever know? I wondered why Eli didn't send the orb through, to have a look around, when he was trying to contact them by radio. Maybe the gate was under water at the other side?

Anyway, a good finish to the opening 3 parter. Pity they didn't show it all together, last week.

No the two eeejits scanned ahead of themselves before going through. We honestly dont know what or who got them. And I suspect we never will.

Hitchikers indeed.

PirateShampoo

I was hoping the closing scene would of been then 2 scientists getting eaten or something.

Another good episode, think this series is so much better than Atlantis already.

I'm also pretty convinced that pod at the end wasn't apart of Destiny has all Ancient ships have Blue/White After Burners (has seen in pic posted above) and this ship had Red.

User45701

Overheal wrote: »

I loved the mystery behind what happened with the two that went to the other planet. We have no idea. Never will have an idea. But a lesson is learned here: if the Ship says dont go: Dont ****ing go.

Eli should have sent the cam thing after them!

Mr E wrote: »

I thought the whole point of the destiny was to deposit stargates to new places as it went. Maybe that's what the ending was?
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couldent have been - the ai is smart enough to know that a planet does not need 2 gates

jor el wrote: »

A hitchhiker? Cool. Whjat happened to the two that went to the other planet, or will we ever know? I wondered why Eli didn't send the orb through, to have a look around, when he was trying to contact them by radio. Maybe the gate was under water at the other side?
k.

they others guys sent kerno or whatever though and said it was green or whatever so im guessing plague/dangerous preditors or hostile alien

Mr E

User45701 wrote: »

couldent have been - the ai is smart enough to know that a planet does not need 2 gates

They could have been in FTL for hours before that final shot. Doesn't matter anyway.

Sherifu

Originally the Destiny was described as being involved in seeding the galaxies with stargates. Which to my mind implied it was seeding the gates. Closer to the air date of SGU it was made clearer the Destiny was following the seeding ship(s). I think that's where the confusion came from.

That ship that detached is definitely a foreign object. Hell of a last scene. Looking forward to next ep.

Overheal

User45701 wrote: »

Eli should have sent the cam thing after them!

They sent the Kino through the first time. Eli was left without it. A new one was handed to him later from Destiny when they sent a team to follow up.

Anyway, to answer some questions,

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Destiny

Apparently not being in true Hyperspace is what allows wormholes to connect to Destiny while its in transit. Which only bursts the 12 hour bubble, imo.

J-blk

Nicely done - can't add much that hasn't been said already. I do wish they had aired all 3 parts together, it's so much better when viewed as one long premiere. Roll on next week .

ixoy

Yep very happy with it so far. There's a much more epic feel to the show than SG1 or SGA, enhanced by the lush production values. I almost cringed when I heard a song/montage sequence at the end but they chose a very nice piece and it worked well.

I think Scott is a surprisingly good character but it was maybe a little early for a back story. Only a small quibble though.

Hopefully the ratings will remain good - it's certainly created a busier forum.

Overheal

His name is Scott?

User45701

Overheal wrote: »

They sent the Kino through the first time. Eli was left without it. A new one was handed to him later from Destiny when they sent a team to follow up.

Anyway, to answer some questions,

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Destiny

Apparently not being in true Hyperspace is what allows wormholes to connect to Destiny while its in transit. Which only bursts the 12 hour bubble, imo.

what im saying is why they didnt send the 2nd one though fater the other 2 after they couldent make radio contact

Overheal wrote: »

His name is Scott?

Matthew scott i think ? the most interesting charactor so far

Sherifu

I wonder how many episodes till they stumble on the Furling home world.

Snowie

just watched the third epesode just now...

I liked it.

GerardKeating

ei.sdraob wrote: »

do i need spoiler tag for this?

Yes, the episodes has not aired on Sky yet...

Conor108

Overheal wrote: »

Apparently not being in true Hyperspace is what allows wormholes to connect to Destiny while its in transit. Which only bursts the 12 hour bubble, imo.

Have we seen a wormhole connect while Destiny was in transit though? I thought in the first scene of Air part 1, it dropped out of FTL to accept the incoming wormhole from Icarus Base.

When Eli had stuck his arm through and the timer hit zero, Destiny started shaking and the engines (?) got louder and louder before the away team returned and the wormhole disconnected. Like Destiny was accelerating with handbrake down. Maybe if theres something stuck in the event horizon, the wormhole will stay active for a few seconds overtime before Destiny's AI overrides it, disconnects the wormhole and jumps to FTL?

EDIT: Just remembered where I recognised Chloe's mam from! She played Dr. Vanessa Conrad in 5x15 'Remnants' of Atlantis
http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/File:Vconrad.jpg

VinLieger

Sherifu wrote: »

I wonder how many episodes till they stumble on the Furling home world.

The creators have confirmed that we will never see the furlings so no need to worry about that.

alastair_doom

ei.sdraob wrote: »

do i need spoiler tag for this?

Dont think theres any need if the thread title says spoilers?

Loved ep 1 and 2. Found ep 3 a bit boring. Like the characters, but the situation was pretty banal. Whenever anything interesting did happen, it was pretty much ignored. I know alot of it was probably set ups for big pay offs later on, but it left this episode on its own fairly weak.

Really all in all, it didnt fo anything to put my sliders/voyager fears to rest.

ixoy

One of them did question why the ship would only stay 12 hours and if it could be changed - I reckon they'll override this feature at some point in the future.

Also got to wonder - why 12 hours precisely? Why a half Earth-standard day? Wasn't this ship originated before the Ancients ever seeded Earth?

Overheal

GerardKeating wrote: »

Yes, the episodes has not aired on Sky yet...

If youre reading this far down the page in a spoilered thread, its your loss.

If it concerns the next episode, use spoilers.

Overheal

ixoy wrote: »

Also got to wonder - why 12 hours precisely? Why a half Earth-standard day? Wasn't this ship originated before the Ancients ever seeded Earth?

The Ancients are apparently from earth. odd I know. Or they at least settled there for a very long time. Most of that settlement would have been in Antarctica.

Destiny, as mentioned from the Starmap, was originally launched from Earth.

Have we seen a wormhole connect while Destiny was in transit though? I thought in the first scene of Air part 1, it dropped out of FTL to accept the incoming wormhole from Icarus Base.

I think you might be right, we havent seen it yet. the wiki page does however mention it to some degree, that this is one of the purposes of the FTL drive. Destiny detected Icharus dialing in, dropped to sublight, then resumed course.

Sherifu

VinLieger wrote: »

The creators have confirmed that we will never see the furlings so no need to worry about that.

It was by no means a serious post...

We've seen them in 200, that was enough for me.

Nukem

Pretty good Ep. - I am finding it hard to grasp why they don't use the stones to get ancient experts (i.e Jackson, Carter, McKay) to use them and help figure the whole ship thing out.

Suppose that would suck as a storyline

Good Ep and loved the music at the end - song by "Alexi Murdoch" if anyone was interested (as above)

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Awesome episode. Looking forward to episode 4.

MarkR

Enjoyed the episode. Was kind of wondering why everyone was back on the ship, gasping for air while the rest of them played in the sand.

Wouldn't it have made more sense for them all to sit tight on the sand, soak up some oxygen / rays - saving the smelly ship air for a bit longer?

And that stowaway was clearly one of the engineers from Halo ODST

Wonder is it a vessel, or an alien that travels through space.

Owen

Well, the whole senator having to die to close the door was a bit badly written for me. There's no mention of gene tech being used in the shuttle, and everyone and anyone seemed to be able to close the door from the inside - so why not use the Kino (Stupid stupid name for the device), to hop up and down off the correct buttons to lock the shuttle down?

Overheal

Thats what I was wondering too. Presumably they already tried it though. And the controls Rush (look im learning!) Rush used to shut the door locally were touch pad controlls, not buttons or switches. It would have been impossible for a Kino to mash the controls.

Peace

MarkR wrote: »

Enjoyed the episode. Was kind of wondering why everyone was back on the ship, gasping for air while the rest of them played in the sand.

I found that bit very annoying. Why not kick everyone who didn't need to be on the ship throught he gate and this would reduce the CO2 build up on the ship.

PirateShampoo

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Well, the whole senator having to die to close the door was a bit badly written for me. There's no mention of gene tech being used in the shuttle, and everyone and anyone seemed to be able to close the door from the inside - so why not use the Kino (Stupid stupid name for the device), to hop up and down off the correct buttons to lock the shuttle down?

I think the ship Pre-dates Gene Tech.

PirateShampoo

Peace wrote: »

I found that bit very annoying. Why not kick everyone who didn't need to be on the ship throught he gate and this would reduce the CO2 build up on the ship.

Because the water is rationed as well, it would be better to fall asleep then be baked alive in a desert.

Nukem

I really liked the last scene. It was very obviously a 'WTF' moment, but they handled it like there was nothing major about it - no break in the soundtrack at all. Quite liked the way they didn't reveal what happened to the 2 that went through that Stargate; it will obviously be followed up later on in the season.

was that air wisp a lifeform or just a hallucination brought on by dehydration?

Presumably it would be better to keep people somewhere they know they are reasonably safe than bringing them on an uncharted planet. Also you need to remember that most of the people are unqualified and normal civilians, so only those trained should go on those planets.

Nukem wrote: »

Pretty good Ep. - I am finding it hard to grasp why they don't use the stones to get ancient experts (i.e Jackson, Carter, McKay) to use them and help figure the whole ship thing out.

Suppose that would suck as a storyline

Good Ep and loved the music at the end - song by "Alexi Murdoch" if anyone was interested (as above)

I'd say that will happen eventually. There was more important things to fix in this episode i.e. the air filters. And notifying those in charge that they are still alive and also that the senator is not.

don ramo

good ep i thought, nice to know we dont have a bunch of pansies on board, the doc sedating telford so he didnt do more damage to youngs body was good, and the other one from the SGC was probably more of a baby than most people weve seen,

the stones are a great plot device and if used correctly can produce some great episodes, i am awaiting rodney to appear, it should be a given considering he is the foremost expert in ancient tech,

id say that sand thing scott saw was real, probably some lifeform trying to learn about the people who arrived on there planet, although i could only think of cold lazarus when i first saw it, but as people said it could be writen off as a illusion,

id say most of the personel on icarus base would have had gene therapy, and seeing as there the ones exploring the ship they are leaving equipment active for others to use,

i enjoy episodes where there out exploring, it kind of is what stargate was originally, and having the alien ship detach was superb, this ep really show the shows creators are heading in a new direction with the series, more so than part 1-2 did, yet keeping some part of what stargate really is,

User45701

Deleted User wrote: »

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was that air wisp a lifeform or just a hallucination brought on by dehydration?

don ramo wrote: »

id say that sand thing scott saw was real, probably some lifeform trying to learn about the people who arrived on there planet, although i could only think of cold lazarus when i first saw it, but as people said it could be writen off as a illusion,

It looked more like the dust thrown up by an ascended being - The harssis child from SG1 on abdyobdus caused that same effect before revealing itself.

It probally wasent an acended being but it would be pretty arrogant of us (and the writers)to think only the human race can ascend

EDIT: i forgot to say ratings have gone up for episode 3
http://scifiwire.com/2009/10/stargate-universe-grows-b.php


now thats unusual - normelly pilots get allot of views which then drop as the series goes on so lets see what the ratings are for ep 4

These were the best ratings for the Stargate franchise since the Aug. 5, 2005, episode of Stargate: Atlantis, which aired before DVR measurement was included in ratings

ixoy

Good news - the ratings were higher for this episode - that's very unusual. They were up 22% on the premiere, and bet the surely-soon-to-be-axed 'Dollhouse'.

don ramo

ixoy wrote: »

Good news - the ratings were higher for this episode - that's very unusual. They were up 22% on the premiere, and bet the surely-soon-to-be-axed 'Dollhouse'.

great news, should hopefully ensure a second season, maybe some sanctuary viewers said they try it out, hopefully it might get some more fans, would be nice for stargate to be on top, i think warehouse 13 is currently the highest rated scripted show syfy has had, i was hopeing universe would do better, youd wonder why it didnt as its a far superior show to warehouse 13, i like shows like eureka and warehouse there fun, but the only true sci-fi fix ATM is stargate, there no other sci-fi show there to challenge it, for quality adventure and entertaiment,

yeah dollhouse has gone into a nose dive, poor whedon:D, although as long as they have eliza im in:D

J-blk

ixoy wrote: »

Good news - the ratings were higher for this episode - that's very unusual. They were up 22% on the premiere

Wow, that is very usual but great news - hopefully it'll mean a good long run for SGU. I need my Stargate fix .

ei.sdraob

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Well, the whole senator having to die to close the door was a bit badly written for me. There's no mention of gene tech being used in the shuttle, and everyone and anyone seemed to be able to close the door from the inside - so why not use the Kino (Stupid stupid name for the device), to hop up and down off the correct buttons to lock the shuttle down?

they mentioned there are safety sensors inside that must mean an organic being must be present

don ramo wrote: »

the stones are a great plot device and if used correctly can produce some great episodes, i am awaiting rodney to appear, it should be a given considering he is the foremost expert in ancient tech, ,

oh **** no, anyone but him, he would reduce the show to a bad joke in no time

don ramo wrote: »

i enjoy episodes where there out exploring, it kind of is what stargate was originally, and having the alien ship detach was superb, this ep really show the shows creators are heading in a new direction with the series, more so than part 1-2 did, yet keeping some part of what stargate really is,

exactly, as i said before this has something Stargate lost a long time ago, exploration and unpredictability

ixoy wrote: »

Good news - the ratings were higher for this episode - that's very unusual. They were up 22% on the premiere, and bet the surely-soon-to-be-axed 'Dollhouse'.

great! better ratings mean bigger budgets, especially for the planned Atlantis film and any future SG1 films

apparently season 1 of SGU is all shot, so good ratings mean we would get another season

don ramo wrote: »

great news, should hopefully ensure a second season, maybe some sanctuary viewers said they try it out, hopefully it might get some more fans, would be nice for stargate to be on top, i think warehouse 13 is currently the highest rated scripted show syfy has had, i was hopeing universe would do better, youd wonder why it didnt as its a far superior show to warehouse 13, i like shows like eureka and warehouse there fun, but the only true sci-fi fix ATM is stargate, there no other sci-fi show there to challenge it, for quality adventure and entertaiment,

there is no good sci-fi at the moment, SGU is the only show im interested now

alastair_doom

ixoy wrote: »

Good news - the ratings were higher for this episode - that's very unusual. They were up 22% on the premiere, and bet the surely-soon-to-be-axed 'Dollhouse'.

SG:U has the higher ratings, but according to the article linked in User45701's post the viewing figures are not all that different.

[SG:U] with just shy of 2.5 million people watching.... Dollhouse finished the night with 2,235,000 total viewers.

Or am I missing something here? Does SG:U have a bad time slot or something?

ixoy

alastair_doom wrote: »

Or am I missing something here? Does SG:U have a bad time slot or something?

Yes it has a bad time slot - Friday night is typically when people go out and that's when it airs. It's seen as the slot-of-death on the mainstream networks (FOX, NBC, etc) to a degree, especially for shows skewed towards a young audience.
Having said that, some shows do quite well on that night - 'Numb3rs', 'Medium' - and cable channels (including SyFy) have managed to do pretty well.

The key difference with 'Dollhouse' though is that 'Dollhouse' airs on a mainstream network where a 2.5 million audience is atrocious. On cable though that's much more respectable (I seem to recall the likes of 'The Wire' would have gotten those numbers on HBO). What's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander.

Somnus

Just watched episode 3 there. I thought it was the best so far. Wasn't mad about the first episode but by the end of the second I was curious as to where it would go. I was still thinking that it wouldn't be great though, that it wasn't very Stargate in the traditional sense (never watched Atlantis so don't know what it's like) but I loved episode 3, although the apparition of the priest and swirling sand was very Lost.

So is that it for a while now? I mean were those 3 episodes like a big pilot and we'll have to wait a bit for the rest?

Oh and what was with that small shuttle thing coming off the Destiny at the end? Curious to see what that's all about.

JohnK

Dr.Poca wrote: »

So is that it for a while now? I mean were those 3 episodes like a big pilot and we'll have to wait a bit for the rest?

No it should keep going now till episode 8 anyway, dont know dates after that.