Is the US Preparing for an Inter-Stellar War?

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NASAs LCROSS Mission has been underway for a while now.

One aim of the mission is to impact a non-explosive projectile (in this case, an expended fuel-tank), into the lunar surface at a speed of over 5,000 MpH..with a view to create a large plume of debris that can be studied for it's water content

It'll take place tomorrow morning at 7:31AM (US)..

The impact will cause massive damage to the surface even though no propellant or explosives are used.. It does this by using kinetic energy.

Development has been underway for some time into an inter-planetary weaponry which will comprise of a function known as Kinetic Bombardment, where non-explosive projectiles are used to inflict huge damage on surfaces for a fraction of the cost & payload of conventional missiles.

How unlikely do you think it is that this research is in part been studied in this mission?

As always I think it's somewhat doubtful, but only somewhat =p

Captain Chaos

The USN are already studying and testing rail gun technology using this theory. Firing high mass metal slugs at very high speed to create the same damage as using explosive shells. Already used to a limited extent using DU rounds in the USAF A-10 Avenger cannon and US Army Apache 30mm cannon.

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Captain Chaos wrote: »

The USN are already studying and testing rail gun technology using this theory. Firing high mass metal slugs at very high speed to create the same damage as using explosive shells.

Absolutely.

The only thing is that Rail-Guns are been tested here on Earth, it would be illegal for the US to test any weaponry on the Moon

In 1967 the Outer Space Treaty was signed and ratified by most countries, including the US.

An excerpt -

It exclusively limits the use of the Moon and other celestial bodies to peaceful purposes and expressly prohibits their use for testing weapons of any kind, conducting military maneuvers, or establishing military bases, installations, and fortifications

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My name is URL wrote: »

NASAs LCROSS Mission has been underway for a while now.

One aim of the mission is to impact a non-explosive projectile (in this case, an expended fuel-tank), into the lunar surface at a speed of over 5,000 MpH..with a view to create a large plume of debris that can be studied for it's water content

It'll take place tomorrow morning at 7:31AM (US)..

The impact will cause massive damage to the surface even though no propellant or explosives are used.. It does this by using kinetic energy.

Development has been underway for some time into an inter-planetary weaponry which will comprise of a function known as Kinetic Bombardment, where non-explosive projectiles are used to inflict huge damage on surfaces for a fraction of the cost & payload of conventional missiles.

How unlikely do you think it is that this research is in part been studied in this mission?

As always I think it's somewhat doubtful, but only somewhat =p

Incredibly unlikely.
The only place a weapon like this would be useful would be the moon.
The atmospheres on Earth, Venus and Mars would make an unpowered and unguided projectile horridly inaccurate.

Also wouldn't they just conduct a test like that in secret?
LCROSS is a pretty well promoted mission.

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King Mob wrote: »

Incredibly unlikely.
The only place a weapon like this would be useful would be the moon.
The atmospheres on Earth, Venus and Mars would make an unpowered and unguided projectile horridly inaccurate.

5,000 MpH is relatively motionless when compared to the speeds that are actually possible by using this method, which are potentially a considerable fraction of the speed of light

At those speeds an atmosphere would be little hindrance

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My name is URL wrote: »

5,000 MpH is relatively motionless when compared to the speeds that are actually possible by using this method, which are potentially a considerable fraction of the speed of light

At those speeds an atmosphere would be little hindrance

No it'd be a greater hindrance the higher the speed due to increased air pressure.
It also runs the risk of exploding in the air before it hits it's target like most asteroids.

The fastest we've ever made something go is 150,000 mph.
The speed of light is 670,616,629 mph.
That's a fraction of a fraction of the speed of light.

PirateShampoo

What time is impact? Will it be visable to the naked eye? Will we c it in Ireland?

PirateShampoo

PirateShampoo wrote: »

What time is impact? Will it be visable to the naked eye? Will we c it in Ireland?

No unfortunately.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LCROSS/impact/impact_amateur.html

Luckily there'll be a good few amateurs who'll get the chance to observe and capture the impact.

uprising

What I found very strange and fukked up really was the Galileo Project, this was the Galileo spacecraft, a nuclear fueled craft, that the U.S. government sent into a collision course with Jupiter, Jupiter is primarily composed of hydrogen with a quarter of its mass being helium; Hydrogen gas is highly flammable.

The whole fukking planet could have been another sun, nasa said the power was out on the batteries and it was best to crash it into Jupiter, and Jupiter almost did go up.

CLICK

Also look at what they plan to do with Cassini
THE LUCIFER PROJECT

It is quite interesting that the composition of Jupiter is very much like our Sun. Jupiter is 89 percent hydrogen and eleven percent helium. The Sun is about 78 percent hydrogen and 19.8 percent helium (the rest of the Sun is made up of heavy elements.) Jupiter's density is only 1.3 times that of water. Also, like the Sun, Jupiter is a gaseous ball with no real surface. So why isn't Jupiter a star?

PirateShampoo

King Mob wrote: »

No unfortunately.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LCROSS/impact/impact_amateur.html

Luckily there'll be a good few amateurs who'll get the chance to observe and capture the impact.

Cheers,

Shame we wont get to see it, i say it would be pretty freaky to watch.

namloc1980

uprising wrote: »

What I found very strange and fukked up really was the Galileo Project, this was the Galileo spacecraft, a nuclear fueled craft, that the U.S. government sent into a collision course with Jupiter, Jupiter is primarily composed of hydrogen with a quarter of its mass being helium; Hydrogen gas is highly flammable.

The whole fukking planet could have been another sun, nasa said the power was out on the batteries and it was best to crash it into Jupiter, and Jupiter almost did go up.

Oh boy your understanding of chemistry and physics is very simplified.......It was powered by RTG which are decaying pieces of plutonium 238 (not suitable for nukes BTW - you'd need Pu 239 for that) that give off heat which is converted into power. Galileo carried 7.8 kilos of this stuff. They blend it into a type of ceramic to make it as inert as possible while still able to produce power.

The reason they crashed Galileo into Jupiter was to ensure that there was no chance of it crashing into Europa and potentially contaminating any life that may exist on Europa (it is thought by some scientists that there is a water ocean under Europa's icy crust). No fear of Jupiter 'going up'!!

BTW Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 crashed into Jupiter in 1994 with FAR MORE explosive power than Galileo ever would and didn't do much....apart from leave Jupiter bruised for a few months.

uprising

uprising wrote: »

What I found very strange and fukked up really was the Galileo Project, this was the Galileo spacecraft, a nuclear fueled craft, that the U.S. government sent into a collision course with Jupiter, Jupiter is primarily composed of hydrogen with a quarter of its mass being helium; Hydrogen gas is highly flammable.

The whole fukking planet could have been another sun, nasa said the power was out on the batteries and it was best to crash it into Jupiter, and Jupiter almost did go up.

CLICK

Also look at what they plan to do with Cassini
THE LUCIFER PROJECT

Jupiter cannot ever become another sun no matter how many probes you fire at it.
It is simply not massive enough to sustain nuclear fusion.

The nuclear power source used on Galileo were used because the probe needed more power than solar panels could provide.

It was a small nuclear reactor not a bomb and contrary to movie physics reactors like this one don't go off like bombs.

And if a comet impact that released 600 times the energy of the Earth's entire nuclear arsenal didn't ignite Jupiter what chance does the generator with put out barely 500 watts have?

And why turn Jupiter into a sun exactly?
Seems like a stupid idea.

Ps I like how the video says the probe went in at the equator but then shows a dark spot no where near it.

uprising

uprising wrote: »

It is quite interesting that the composition of Jupiter is very much like our Sun. Jupiter is 89 percent hydrogen and eleven percent helium. The Sun is about 78 percent hydrogen and 19.8 percent helium (the rest of the Sun is made up of heavy elements.) Jupiter's density is only 1.3 times that of water. Also, like the Sun, Jupiter is a gaseous ball with no real surface. So why isn't Jupiter a star?

QED.

uprising

namloc1980 wrote: »

Oh boy your understanding of chemistry and physics is very simplified.......It was powered by RTG which are decaying pieces of plutonium 238 (not suitable for nukes BTW - you'd need Pu 239 for that) that give off heat which is converted into power. Galileo carried 7.8 kilos of this stuff. They blend it into a type of ceramic to make it as inert as possible while still able to produce power.

The reason they crashed Galileo into Jupiter was to ensure that there was no chance of it crashing into Europa and potentially contaminating any life that may exist on Europa (it is thought by some scientists that there is a water ocean under Europa's icy crust). No fear of Jupiter 'going up'!!

BTW Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 crashed into Jupiter in 1994 with FAR MORE explosive power than Galileo ever would and didn't do much....apart from leave Jupiter bruised for a few months.

Virtually any combination of plutonium isotopes -- the different forms of an element having different numbers of neutrons in their nuclei -- can be used to make a nuclear weapon. Not all combinations, however, are equally convenient or efficient. The most common isotope, plutonium-239, is produced when the most common isotope of uranium, uranium-238, absorbs a neutron and then quickly decays to plutonium. It is this plutonium isotope that is most useful in making nuclear weapons, and it is produced in varying quantities in virtually all operating nuclear reactors. As fuel in a reactor is exposed to longer and longer periods of neutron irradiation, higher isotopes of plutonium build up as some of the plutonium absorbs additional neutrons, creating plutonium-240, plutonium-241, and so on. Plutonium-238 also builds up from a chain of neutron absorptions and radioactive decays starting from uranium-235.

uprising

uprising wrote: »

Virtually any combination of plutonium isotopes -- the different forms of an element having different numbers of neutrons in their nuclei -- can be used to make a nuclear weapon. Not all combinations, however, are equally convenient or efficient. The most common isotope, plutonium-239, is produced when the most common isotope of uranium, uranium-238, absorbs a neutron and then quickly decays to plutonium. It is this plutonium isotope that is most useful in making nuclear weapons, and it is produced in varying quantities in virtually all operating nuclear reactors. As fuel in a reactor is exposed to longer and longer periods of neutron irradiation, higher isotopes of plutonium build up as some of the plutonium absorbs additional neutrons, creating plutonium-240, plutonium-241, and so on. Plutonium-238 also builds up from a chain of neutron absorptions and radioactive decays starting from uranium-235.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_mass#Critical_mass_of_a_bare_sphere

plutonium-238 9.04–10.07Kg
plutonium-239 10kg
plutonium-240 40kg
plutonium-241 12kg
plutonium-242 75–100kg.

Galileo had 7.8kg of Pu 238.
When something decays it doesn't increase in mass.

namloc1980

uprising wrote: »

Virtually any combination of plutonium isotopes -- the different forms of an element having different numbers of neutrons in their nuclei -- can be used to make a nuclear weapon. Not all combinations, however, are equally convenient or efficient. The most common isotope, plutonium-239, is produced when the most common isotope of uranium, uranium-238, absorbs a neutron and then quickly decays to plutonium. It is this plutonium isotope that is most useful in making nuclear weapons, and it is produced in varying quantities in virtually all operating nuclear reactors. As fuel in a reactor is exposed to longer and longer periods of neutron irradiation, higher isotopes of plutonium build up as some of the plutonium absorbs additional neutrons, creating plutonium-240, plutonium-241, and so on. Plutonium-238 also builds up from a chain of neutron absorptions and radioactive decays starting from uranium-235.

Thank you for your very interesting copypasta

Anyway what's your point exactly? Shoemaker Levy 9 exploded with massive power when it crashed into Jupiter and not much happened......Galileo didn't even scratch the surface.

uprising

namloc1980 wrote: »

Thank you for your very interesting copypasta

Anyway what's your point exactly? Shoemaker Levy 9 exploded with massive power when it crashed into Jupiter and not much happened......Galileo didn't even scratch the surface.

Erm, my point being WHY THE FUKK crash anything into a giant highly flammable gas ball with virtually the same make up as the sun, before the sun was ignited, it's a planet made up 89% HYDROGEN, 11% HELIUM, if these gasses were leaking into your house would you consider flicking matches about to see what happen's, and they DIDN'T know what would happen with Galileo, Jupiter luckily didn't go up, but now they have Cassini..

Saturn probe’s fate already being planned

Will Cassini crash or go into an orbit of oblivion? Stay tuned for 2012

"Perhaps the most likely option is to leave Cassini in a long-lived orbit that would have little to no risk of ever hitting anything," Mitchell said. "Another is to impact Saturn like Galileo did at Jupiter, although there are some complications with this one."

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King Mob wrote: »

No it'd be a greater hindrance the higher the speed due to increased air pressure.
It also runs the risk of exploding in the air before it hits it's target like most asteroids.

The fastest we've ever made something go is 150,000 mph.
The speed of light is 670,616,629 mph.
That's a fraction of a fraction of the speed of light.

The air is a thin shell when traveling at 1,000,000 MpH!

The explosive reaction wouldn't have time to take place within the time it takes for the object to pass through the atmosphere

Even if it exploded overhead, it could possibly cause immense damage to an even larger area

uprising

uprising wrote: »

Erm, my point being WHY THE FUKK crash anything into a giant highly flammable gas ball with virtually the same make up as the sun, before the sun was ignited, it's a planet made up 89% HYDROGEN, 11% HELIUM, if these gasses were leaking into your house would you consider flicking matches about to see what happen's, and they DIDN'T know what would happen with Galileo, Jupiter luckily didn't go up, but now they have Cassini.

The Sun is way way more massive Jupiter or Saturn.
The smallest star known on which fusion occurs in 100 times more massive than Jupiter.

The Sun isn't a big ball of fire.
Hydrogen burning isn't remotely the same as hydrogen undergoing fusion.

The reason they crashed the probe into Jupiter was because it wouldn't cause any damage.

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My name is URL wrote: »

The air is a thin shell when traveling at 1,000,000 MpH!

The explosive reaction wouldn't have time to take place within the time it takes for the object to pass through the atmosphere

Even if it exploded overhead, it could possibly cause immense damage to an even larger area

And a guided nuclear missile would cause more damage more accurately and without the need for an expensive and unproven space based launch system.

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King Mob wrote: »

And a guided nuclear missile would cause more damage more accurately and without the need for an expensive and unproven space based launch system.

Yeah but it'd be alot more difficult and costly to design a Titanium missile with a nuke warhead than just what is basically a Titanium telephone pole with wings

though this is going OT somewhat.. the issue is within the scope of the US using LCROSS as an actual test for bigger things

Overheal

Though Sci Fi has mentioned once or twice turning Jupiter into a secondary star to prolong growing seasons, or to make other planets in the system habitable after Earth no longer is.

Back to the moon thing though, I argue that theyre purposefully blowing up the lunar landing site just to **** with CT people's heads. /kidding

I replied seriously here: http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=62457523&postcount=57

namloc1980

uprising wrote: »

Erm, my point being WHY THE FUKK crash anything into a giant highly flammable gas ball with virtually the same make up as the sun, before the sun was ignited, it's a planet made up 89% HYDROGEN, 11% HELIUM, if these gasses were leaking into your house would you consider flicking matches about to see what happen's, and they DIDN'T know what would happen with Galileo, Jupiter luckily didn't go up, but now they have Cassini..

Saturn probe’s fate already being planned

Will Cassini crash or go into an orbit of oblivion? Stay tuned for 2012

"Perhaps the most likely option is to leave Cassini in a long-lived orbit that would have little to no risk of ever hitting anything," Mitchell said. "Another is to impact Saturn like Galileo did at Jupiter, although there are some complications with this one."

*FACEPALM*

What's an out of context quote supposed to prove??

Once again....the reason they crashed it into Jupiter was to prevent any chance of it crashing into Europa. So you're saying we were lucky with Galileo (probe and orbiter), lucky with Shoemaker-Levy 9, lucky with the impact event earlier this year!

Maybe....just maybe it's not luck at all and that, in fact, you are completely wrong and just making stuff up. "I'll go with option 'B' Bob!"

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My name is URL wrote: »

Yeah but it'd be alot more difficult and costly to design a Titanium missile with a nuke warhead that just what is basically a Titanium telephone pole with wings

They have them, they're called ICBMs

But would designing and building a orbital rail gun that is reusable, reliable and accurate be cheaper than adapting existing proven technology?

namloc1980

My name is URL wrote: »

Yeah but it'd be alot more difficult and costly to design a Titanium missile with a nuke warhead than just what is basically a Titanium telephone pole with wings

though this is going OT somewhat.. the issue is within the scope of the US using LCROSS as an actual test for bigger things

They already have nuclear ICBMs...wouldn't need to design them.

They are planning bigger things.....first of all see if they can determine the composition of the lunar poles by crashing LCROSS into it to pave the way for future manned colonisation of the moon.

samson09

Moon bombings will be available to watch online, live (link links to other links ).

http://www.inquisitr.com/41518/watch-the-nasa-moon-bombing-live-online/

So impact was on target.

Oddly no plume was detected on the ground.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LCROSS/main/index.html

they are not sure why this is, but there's the usual evidence (i.e. none) to conclude that it was aliens.

Edit: the NASA tv feed of the impacts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVyEOFfv_lo

Not much happens till the end where they detect the thermal signature of the fist impact just before the second craft impacts.

orourkeda

Inter Stellar War. I've heard it all now

namloc1980

orourkeda wrote: »

Inter Stellar War. I've heard it all now

wait until Tony Blair gets appointed Emperor of the EU Death Star :pac:

espinolman

King Mob wrote: »

Edit: the NASA tv feed of the impacts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVyEOFfv_lo

It crashed into the moon !

namloc1980

namloc1980 wrote: »

wait until Tony Blair gets appointed Emperor of the EU Death Star :pac:

He's got my vote.

espinolman wrote: »

It crashed into the moon !

Yea that was the plan.

namloc1980

espinolman wrote: »

It crashed into the moon !

yeah....that's what they meant to happen!

PirateShampoo

So are we at war now?

espinolman

PirateShampoo wrote: »

So are we at war now?

Have you seen this , who are they trying to shoot down ?

http://www.youtube.com/v/XqMf3towVVI

PirateShampoo

Who is who trying to shoot down?

squod

espinolman wrote: »

Have you seen this , who are they trying to shoot down ?

http://www.youtube.com/v/XqMf3towVVI

Seen that before and read an article in Nexus magazine about another event witnessed by an astronaught on board a shuttle. An operator inside the shuttle witnessed a taller being on a monitor 'talking' with two astronaughts in the open shuttle bay. Space, it's like w-a-y out there.

The Skulls

espinolman wrote: »

It crashed into the moon !

"Thats no moon... Thats a space station"

Seriously though, if there was an 'enemy' to be fought in such a war we may as well break out the bows & arrows for all the chance we'd have. The moon 'bombing' is purely scientific & the results of the experiment may determine whether man returns to the moon & goes to Mars & beyond.

mysterious

This is an interesting question to me. I have to admit I have been pondering to know what it is NASA are up to at this time.

To be honest, NASA and the US government are up to no better and are getting to powerful for their own good with the technology they are using. It is been kept well secret from us, some of it is out in the open, but whatever they are using is creating more attention than ever before.. I personally feel they have some very dangerous technology far beyond what we are suspected too.


One of the most eye opening interview ever that I've seen inrelation to this. And real proper disclosure to what the US government were really doing, was when the Canadian defense ex minsiter back in 2007 gave public disclosure in Canada of what is really going on in the space race. It was absaloutely on the ball with what he said. He's coming up to the end of his life, so I suppose it didn't matter to much to him revealing what he had in that speech.

He basically said humanity could be advancing far better in every faction of society if we knew what NASA and all TPTB were really doing in space. He went on to say that the US government have been trading technology for treaties with the grays and other reptlian E.Ts for the last 50 years. These E.T races are not all bad or good. They are just a few thousands years more advanced than us technology wise. They are 3rd and 4th density in form. From my perspective and many people out there state that the US government are giving more of humanities control over to them and into the wrong hands while they loathe on riches, and technology that they crave. So it's like the snydrome " man with more power" al al bam again.... This is not good as we've learnt in history.


But to my intial question and I hope to see you share opinions on this. Could it be that the US government is now warding all these E.Ts the ones they traded with off the moon now that they have far more superfior techonlogy than before. It would make a lot of sense. I mean the US has been known with this behaviour in the middleeast and with Russia in the past. Shaking hands and then going to war with them to take them out.

In my opinon this is playing with real fire. It's we the people of the planet who will suffer to the dire irriesponsible demands of our own world leaders.

Well whatever is happening, there is A LOT of space activity gong on.

Lone Stone

Hmm well thats all just speculation really i seen paul hellyer accuse the bush administration of waging a war with aliens in space. But i mean i seriously dout any country could stand a chance against a civilization thats been floating around out there longer than us they could easily pew pew us from space.

Anyway thats assuming they would be bothered if we were thousands of years behind another species they would probaly think of us in the way we think of ape's for all we know.

mysterious

Lone Stone wrote: »

Hmm well thats all just speculation really i seen paul hellyer accuse the bush administration of waging a war with aliens in space. But i mean i seriously dout any country could stand a chance against a civilization thats been floating around out there longer than us they could easily pew pew us from space.

Anyway thats assuming they would be bothered if we were thousands of years behind another species they would probaly think of us in the way we think of ape's for all we know.

But thats the thing, I agree totally, so something is off with this. There must be something thats stopping all E.Ts from making themselves known or whatever.


It comes down to us "we the people" blood!

They are all fighing over us, even though we are not aware and seem like sheep and cattle to them and believe me they do. The US government could easily do a lot of damage by wiping out millions on the surface. This is too big of a risk the G.F are not going to chance with the annunaki government here. If genocide happens on earth over this, it means chaos and hell will break out everywhere else in the universe. It's like the wars we have here when superpowers come to loggerrheads and both know they will destroy themselves if they go to war. Whos gonna step out of line before they all do. This is what may be the case with whats going on out there.

It's one really complicated mess. For one, is we are not been told. The other why they hide it from us and yet all the conflict is stemming to this race.


I will add my two cents to this. We are a race that has 12 strand DNA wic means we have the 12 universal types within us dormant. 80% of DNA is dormant and all humanoid races have tampered with our DNA since homo erectus had walked the land. So we are rather unique considering most of are not really ascended or feel godly incomparison to other races out there in the cosmos.

But the truth is, they are all waiting for us to take a stand and show the way.

As far as I can see from the conclusion here on this thread, it seems NASA are playing with fire and are going to get burnt.

mysterious

Lone Stone wrote: »

Hmm well thats all just speculation really i seen paul hellyer accuse the bush administration of waging a war with aliens in space. .

Wouldn't surprised me if the Bushes did. They represent the fallen reptilian bloodlines. One look at George's mother and father is enough to tell uou that.. They are tyrannys and have always taken that role.

PirateShampoo

mysterious wrote: »

He basically said humanity could be advancing far better in every faction of society if we knew what NASA and all TPTB were really doing in space. He went on to say that the US government have been trading technology for treaties with the grays and other reptlian E.Ts for the last 50 years. These E.T races are not all bad or good. They are just a few thousands years more advanced than us technology wise. They are 3rd and 4th density in form.

And what exactly have the U.S government got to offer these advanced cultures?

mysterious

PirateShampoo wrote: »

And what exactly have the U.S government got to offer these advanced cultures?

Control over our world. There is activity outside our planet and what goes on here goes on out there if you like. From my perspective the E.T races the U.S government are in various treaties with are parasites races or races that are "service to self". Most of which are from Orion. They take over planets and take control of the ruling eltes on them. TPTB then can play with the world as they desire. It always end up in great destruction though. This would be the most obvious reason.

I think its best to phrase your question as what you might think it be. It's not to hard to formulate the apparent reason imo. I would prefer if people spoke of their own views as to what maybe happening. Its really about putting the pieces that you have together and trying to decipher to what is going on above and below.

Penn

mysterious wrote: »

Control over our world. There is activity outside our planet and what goes on here goes on out there if you like. From my perspective the E.T races the U.S government are in various treaties with are parasites races or races that are "service to self". Most of which are from Orion. They take over planets and take control of the ruling eltes on them. TPTB then can play with the world as they desire. It always end up in great destruction though. This would be the most obvious reason.

Really?

mysterious

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Really?

Yes give a few men a lot of power and see what happens!

Give a few men some Alien Technology and wait to see what happens.I don't want this planet to blow up like lyra. History tends to repeat.

Penn

You've mentioned both Orion and Lyra now, both of which are star constellations. Are you referring to planets contained with these constellations or something else?

mysterious

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

You've mentioned both Orion and Lyra now, both of which are star constellations. Are you referring to planets contained with these constellations or something else?

I mentioned the Orion as a constelation and the planet Lyra was a planet too that is blown up that resided in the vega constelation. There is the constelation Lyra also. It was our first earth that ended, cus we didn't shift to the higher realms of existence. We lost to the renegade races. The leading power of be of lyra were like our present leaders in how they viewed their people. And hell broke out in the end.


Here we are and thats all that matters. Can we truly realise our noble position iin this universe despite been kept in the dark about our true orgins. I cannot prove these words to you in truth. Only you can. But remember this no leader on this world will tell you who you are.

mysterious

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

You've mentioned both Orion and Lyra now, both of which are star constellations. Are you referring to planets contained with these constellations or something else?

Heres a link, you might be interested in it.

Long ago, before time as we know it began, there were the Founders of the Universe, highly evolved souls that had already completed many universal games. Being creator gods, they decided to create a universe of their own.
As the twelve came together, they were faced with the question of which “game” to choose so that the souls created in, or coming to, their new universe could spiritually evolve. And spiritual evolution is what every soul desires.
Finally, after much consideration, they chose the game known as “Polarity Integration.” This game is one of many that involves the integration of the Light and the Dark developed by Divine Creator in order to experience all that He/She is.
Now that the choice of games had been made, they knew they would need to have individuals experienced in this game to assist them in the development of the game in their new universe, individuals who would agree to become a part of it and see it through to its completion.
So the Founders put out a call to all souls in all universes that had completed at least one Polarity Integration Game. Their call was answered by ninety individuals, highly evolved souls that had just recently completed that game and were looking for another place to go in order to continue their spiritual evolution. This group of ninety was made up of forty-five Carians and forty-five Felines.
They arrived in this (our present) universe and began meeting with the Founders to set up the game. The group of ninety elected one of their own to sit on the Founder’s Council to act as a liaison between their group and the Founders. The one chosen is known to us as Devin. Devin (real name is Devaine) was the patriarch of the Feline group (family).
The Carians were given a planet in the Orion constellation as their new home while the Felines were given a planet in the Lyra constellation for theirs.
So the group of ninety divided and went to their respective planets to begin the game. The Carians would represent the Dark and the Felines would represent the Light.
In time both had evolved physical forms in which to incarnate so that they could walk upon the surface of their planetary homes. Both established pure (royal) lines within their ever-growing race. In time, both crossbred into other life forms on their planetary homes to create a new race of beings. And then, when that new race had become an established part of their respective societies, the Carian/Reptilians arrived in the Lyra constellation and colonized a neighboringplanet of the Feline/Humans. In doing so, they were now ready for the first grand experiment of integration. We call it the “First Earth, Grand Experiment.”
This first grand experiment occurred on a 3D planet just like earth and it was the home of the Felines/Humans. As their technology advanced the Feline/Humans learned how to create worm holes and achieve space travel. Soon both races were traveling back and forth, visiting each other’s planet.
The two groups were now reunited again, but with many new people, their offspring, involved. Over time they began to mix with the two royal lines intermarrying to form alliances. All went well for some time.
Through the mixing of the races, new races were created and soon a caste system developed. There was the royalty, the priestly caste, the scientists, and the military. The remainder of the population made up the worker caste.
I am still not completely clear as to all that transpired to create the rift between the two royal families that brought about the First Great Galactic War, but I do know this: it was due to a lack of communication involving some details. Someone communicated with someone else regarding something but neglected to include all the details. I am told it was regarding an alliance. They were not completely clear on the details of the agreement. So feelings were hurt, leading to feelings of mistrust and then it began to steamroll with the Feline/Humans launching the first attack against their Reptilian neighbors.
Backing up a bit, before the Great Galactic War, there were some minor wars of a much smaller scale between the two Houses. This I am told, is when my father, Shimabala and Jehowahs’ father, Cobazar were killed. We were all teenagers, still wet behind the ears when our fathers died. Up until this time we were all very close to each other.
I have recalled memories of visiting Jehowah in his favorite cave and playing for hours together. These memories are filled with warm, loving feelings. Now, as we take on the mantles of leadership we are instantly pitted against each other to some degree even though the war which killed our fathers is over and my marriage to Jehowah is the part that seals the alliance that brings peace to our families. And even though another war breaks out, we do not war with each other, trying to keep our personal connections to each other out of the chaos that continues around us.
Second Earth - Pleiades
Second earth in the Pleiades --- what happened to this planet and is there evidence of its destruction? The answer is in the book, We are the Nibiruans.Toward the end of the First Galactic War, with the destruction of our planet, my brother Devin, myself and Jehowah fled along with a large group of people on one of our last remaining star ships, Pelegai.
We eventually settled in a new cluster of stars later to be known as the Seven Sisters, the Pleiades. We lived on this ship and spent much of our time establishing a colony on the planet’s surface. We called our new home Avyon after our original home. It was a beautiful blue planet, much like our previous one, with two suns.
Life progressed and so did we. Cities were built, civilizations came and went. Eventually we left the planet to those who came with us. We became the Ancient Ones to them, the original founders of our civilization on that planet. But as usual, with time the facts became distorted so that the written history no longer reflected the actual events.
In time this planet became known throughout the cosmos and other civilizations came calling, some just curious and others with an agenda to conquer. The inhabitants of the planet had evolved to the level of space travel, a little beyond where we are today. They had evolved beyond disease and social disparity and created a unified government, but also an almost hive mentality. Everyone thought and acted as one but in their actions did not express the dark side of their natures. They only expressed their lighter side as this was the social norm.
The people had become spiritually stagnant, unable to progress due to their choice to suppress their dark side, masculine side and use their three lower chakras. As a result they, on an unconscious spiritual level called forth a race who were their polar opposite to move them out of this stuck position.
At first this race came speaking of peace but soon realized there was more to gain from taking over the planet than trying to cooperate with a race of people they could not for the life of them understand.
It took many years but in time their true agenda was revealed through the efforts of a resistance movement. Once the word was out and all attempts at negotiations failed, the humans launched the first attack to try and drive this race away from their planet In their ongoing efforts to fight off their enemy they managed to destroy their planet. The survivors fled to many places in the galaxy and eventually established colonies on other planets.
Third Earth - Pleiades (Our current earth)
Current earth on which we live -- what does the future hold in store for us? What's the bigger picture and plan for our future? The answers are in the book, We are the Nibiruans.So here we are today, in another ascension process. The first two earths never made it through an ascension. I believe that many of us here on earth today were on the one or both of the previous earth experiments. And due to the wisdom we have accumulated from our experiences will successfully ascend ourselves, earth’s people and the planet.
What we lacked before was compassion and acceptance of others different from ourselves. We have learned that polarizing to the light or the dark does not allow us to feel compassion and maintain peace. Only by integrating the light and Dark within us and their corresponding manifestations in our realities we will be able to complete the Third Grand Experiment successfully with the planet in tact and all the races involved that much further along their spiritual paths.

It explains the importance of earth in the evolution of the universe and why we have been kept in darkness to the rest of the universe. (this is from a channeler so its from him/her experiences and perspective) From my perspective you all came to forget who you are for this grand experiement here on this planet. To complete a very important part of polarity within you. Light and darkness. But it's a matter of opening your mind outside yourself and all that has kept us in darkness on this world. Its a great test of self and soul

thecommander

mysterious wrote: »

Heres a link, you might be interested in it.

What scifi book is that from?

mysterious

thecommander wrote: »

What scifi book is that from?

From real people actually.

koHd

mysterious wrote: »

From real people actually.

Sci-fi isn't written by real people?