A plea to Ganley to enter the Dáil!

darkman2

I reckon we need a Ganley in the Dáil - what do you think? A bit of democracy and accountability does no harm.

Daftendirekt

Declan Ganley doesn't mix with democracy or accountability.

And please don't encourage him.

Seth Brundle

With his ability to do U-turns and his various vested interests maybe he could fit in nicely. However, I think we could do with proper politicians in this country (i.e. get rid of the ones we have) and therefore we should avoid electing "snake oil salesmen" like Ganley.

RiverWilde

He was told quite firmly to bugger off by the electorate when he tried to run for the European Parliament. Hopefully if he decides to run for the Dail he'll get a similar message.

Riv

meglome

kbannon wrote: »

With his ability to do U-turns and his various vested interests maybe he could fit in nicely. However, I think we could do with proper politicians in this country (i.e. get rid of the ones we have) and therefore we should avoid electing "snake oil salesmen" like Ganley.

Very well put. It's really is time to cut out the petty local politics too and concentrate on what the country needs.

Agent Smith

I can assure you if he does run (in galway east, which would be his "Home" Consituancy) I will be on the N17 down there to Canvass for almost anyone else.

efb

Only Mary Lou doesn't take 'No' for an answer more! Maybe she has gaurentees each time?

odoylerulez

You guys really hate ganley don't you. He represents everything you could never be. Honest.

It drives you crazy to see someone calling you on your bull. Thats why you reserve all your venom for him. Its ok to admit the truth because it can be seen in your words. Calling him a snake oil salesman thats really very funny coming from some of you guys who support the current crop of absolute excuses for humanity we have in government. When your finished bootlicking they have a space reserved for you in the carlot. You can drive them home from work maybe pick up a penny or two!

mikemac

He said he was stepping away from politics after being rejected by the electorate in the European elections.

And then he comes back again....

He was either lying to us or just changing his plans and has no idea what he plans to do.
Why not make a decision and stick with it?

Amhran Nua

odoylerulez wrote: »

Calling him a snake oil salesman thats really very funny coming from some of you guys who support the current crop of absolute excuses for humanity we have in government.

Throwing out one band of gombeens doesn't mean we need to replace them with another gombeen.

The Corinthian

I think Ganley could add some much needed colour to the Dail. And he's the type I could do business with.

Bandit12

The man's a legend

leninbenjamin

Declan Ganley is about as shady as any of the worse politicians Ireland has ever seen. He seems a nice guy outside of politics (don't know him personally, but know people who have dealings with him before) but it's pretty well documented when it comes to politics he puts the interests of his American military business buddies before that of Ireland and the EU. Not someone who I would ever want to see in the Daíl.

Biggins

While I'd like to see fresh blood, honestly, the impression I get from Ganley is just more of the same that has gone on before.
Until he makes a clear break from the rest and actually states what his present background is, what are his connections to the American arms business and who is backing him, he is no more different than the current rest.

Until then I pass.

fredzer

mikemac wrote: »

He said he was stepping away from politics after being rejected by the electorate in the European elections.

And then he comes back again....

some nerve there alright!!!

He was either lying to us or just changing his plans and has no idea what he plans to do.
Why not make a decision and stick with it?

Make a decision and stick to it..... like the Lisbon result first time around!

cornbb

He's a bitter, shady, dishonest slimeball. I feel sorry for those of you who admire him. If you dig just a little bit deeper into absolutely everything he said about Lisbon, you will realise it was all lies. He has never expressed his opinions or ideologies on anything except the Lisbon Treaty, and it is extremely unclear why is against that. All of the reasons he cited were lies, and I have no doubt that he knows they are lies, therefore it follows that he has other motives. And who knows what they are, given that the only people he seems to associate with are Tories, fundamentalist Catholics, neo-conservatives, Euroskeptics and the US military.

The Fianna Failures are dire, but at least we know where we stand with them. Ganley is just downright sinister.

eamon234

I think this says it all. This man has motives way beyond the good of this country.

Sleipnir

darkman2 wrote: »

I reckon we need a Ganley in the Dáil - what do you think? A bit of democracy and accountability does no harm.

Not necessary; we have John O'Donoghue for that and don't forget that Rody Boland was Chairman of the Public Accounts committee.
All is well, continue with your lives.

spank_inferno

He's more articulate than any current TD
He's up there with the most intelligent.

If you've actualy seen a Dail debate or have been in the viewing gallery you will know what I mean.

You'll see the terribly delivered yet still pre-prepaired mumblings from a ruddy faced rural TD who looks like he hasnt been in a suit since his confirmation.
1 hand in pocket, face buried into chin reading from his script, shuffling from 1 foot to another.


How anyone here could say that Ganley wouldnt improve the Dail clearly has never seen the Dail!

Daftendirekt

spank_inferno wrote: »

He's more articulate than any current TD
He's up there with the most intelligent.

If you've actualy seen a Dail debate or have been in the viewing gallery you will know what I mean.

You'll see the terribly delivered yet still pre-prepaired mumblings from a ruddy faced rural TD who looks like he hasnt been in a suit since his confirmation.
1 hand in pocket, face buried into chin reading from his script, shuffling from 1 foot to another.


How anyone here could say that Ganley wouldnt improve the Dail clearly has never seen the Dail!

Great, so he'd be aesthetically good for the Dáil. So would some new carpet.

We need new ideas in this country, not new eye candy.

spank_inferno

Daftendirekt wrote: »

Great, so he'd be aesthetically good for the Dáil. So would some new carpet.

We need new ideas in this country, not new eye candy.

And what makes you think you will see "new ideas" from the 166 TD's already there?

I'd take my chances with Galney over the vast majority of the over-promoted councillors already there.

This thread is speculation and all we can go by is impressions.
IMO he makes a better impression than nearly all the cabbages currently infesting Dail Eireann.

You and I will be long dead before our current type of parliamentarian come up with radical ideas for governance, this guy just might.

We may not like what he says but at least he has something to say!

Seth Brundle

odoylerulez wrote: »

You guys really hate ganley don't you. He represents everything you could never be. Honest.

It drives you crazy to see someone calling you on your bull. Thats why you reserve all your venom for him. Its ok to admit the truth because it can be seen in your words. Calling him a snake oil salesman thats really very funny coming from some of you guys who support the current crop of absolute excuses for humanity we have in government. When your finished bootlicking they have a space reserved for you in the carlot. You can drive them home from work maybe pick up a penny or two!

I dn't reserve all my venom for him. However, the question was do we think we need Ganley in the Dail. I think this would be a bad thing. I also think many currently in there is a bad thing but that is somewhat irrelevant.
I do not want someone that (even by rumour) is associated with murder and various dodgy dealings.
I also do not believe that he has the national interest at heart. Personally I feel that his opposition to the treaty lies somewhere with his position in Riviada.

spank_inferno wrote: »

He's more articulate than any current TD
He's up there with the most intelligent.

If you've actualy seen a Dail debate or have been in the viewing gallery you will know what I mean.

You'll see the terribly delivered yet still pre-prepaired mumblings from a ruddy faced rural TD who looks like he hasnt been in a suit since his confirmation.
1 hand in pocket, face buried into chin reading from his script, shuffling from 1 foot to another.


How anyone here could say that Ganley wouldnt improve the Dail clearly has never seen the Dail!

Wearing a suit or being articulate doesn't necessarily mean that you would be a good politician representing the best needs of your country.

DubTony

And don't forget that he wouldn't need his hair done on a FAS junket, so this guy could save us some money.

There's a simple reason why he would never get elected to anything in this country. HIS ACCENT.

Biggins

Let get this straight. some want to invite into the Dail a person that has more shady American military connections than the rest of the TDs put together.

As bad at the current crowd is in the Dail - and they are BAD!
To let this man eventually walk in, along presumably with his known and unknown shady backers - would be a nightmare scenario that could only be normally found in fiction thrillers!

..."A' but hell, he knows how to make a good speech."

Yea. So did Hitler, Idi Amin, Fedel Castro, Stalin, Lenin, Mugabe, ex-pres Bush etc to name a few, who all started off from humble beginnings too don't forget!

Daftendirekt

spank_inferno wrote: »

And what makes you think you will see "new ideas" from the 166 TD's already there?

I'd take my chances with Galney over the vast majority of the over-promoted councillors already there.

This thread is speculation and all we can go by is impressions.
IMO he makes a better impression than nearly all the cabbages currently infesting Dail Eireann.

You and I will be long dead before our current type of parliamentarian come up with radical ideas for governance, this guy just might.

We may not like what he says but at least he has something to say!

We probably won't see any new ideas from our current TD's, but they definitely won't come from Ganley, who's already shown himself to have no qualms about lying to and misleading the public, even more blatantly than any of the current members of the Dáil. Over the course of the campaign, I didn't see the man make one argument that wasn't a blatant lie or a mangled distortion of the truth. And what exactly is it that he has to say?

You'd really like to see someone like that in the Dáil?

People like this need to be kept away from any sort of power as much as possible, not given a mandate to influence the running of this country!

turgon

Its funny how supportes of a given cause can turn words to some obscure meaning. The OP calims Ganley will bring democracy and accountablily. The latter is acceptable enough - some TD's can be more accountable than others, although Ganley fits firmly into the unaccountable category what with the hidden agenda and funding etc.

But how in the name of God can a TD be more democratic? Just think about that for a second. It doesnt make the least bit of sense. Its a pity that 'democracy' has become such a buzzword. Along with 'fairness', 'equality' and 'freedom'. A more democratic TD. Mind boggling.

Daftendirekt

turgon wrote: »

Its funny how supportes of a given cause can turn words to some obscure meaning. The OP calims Ganley will bring democracy and accountablily. The latter is acceptable enough - some TD's can be more accountable than others, although Ganley fits firmly into the unaccountable category what with the hidden agenda and funding etc.

But how in the name of God can a TD be more democratic? Just think about that for a second. It doesnt make the least bit of sense. Its a pity that 'democracy' has become such a buzzword. Along with 'fairness', 'equality' and 'freedom'. A more democratic TD. Mind boggling.

I actually overlooked that at first.

Made me laugh though. :pac:

fredzer

eamon234 wrote: »

I think this says it all. This man has motives way beyond the good of this country.

The person referred to is Crispen Odey a hedge fund boss who profited from short selling Irish stocks, that’s capitalism for ya. Short selling is a legal practice nothing shady there. On the other hand Fianna Fail would be past masters of the political donations from dodgy sources.

stakey

A very honest politician

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMRP_TqBzr0

Seth Brundle

poor sod doesn't know what nationality he is!
He claims to be Irish, British and is he hoping to become American?

BroomBurner

It's always good to have dissenters and detractors in government. Keeps democracy and debate alive.

As for his nationality, I have multiple nationality, so what about it? If he's Irish, then his other nationalities don't really matter. Unless he's a spy, is he an international Man of Mystery??

prinz

BroomBurner wrote: »

Unless he's a spy, is he an international Man of Mystery??

That's exactly what he is. Except this mystery has been slowly unravelled over time and it's doesn't paint a pretty picture. There's a lot more we need to know about this guy, problem is it's been classified in the States so we will never get to know.

Seth Brundle

BroomBurner wrote: »

As for his nationality, I have multiple nationality, so what about it? If he's Irish, then his other nationalities don't really matter. Unless he's a spy, is he an international Man of Mystery??

The problem is that he appears to be in denial somewhat about his UK citizenship!

murphaph

DubTony wrote: »

And don't forget that he wouldn't need his hair done on a FAS junket, so this guy could save us some money.

There's a simple reason why he would never get elected to anything in this country. HIS ACCENT.

I'd disagree there Tony. Erskine Childers and Martin Mansergh had/have much toffier accents and sill got elected (on FF tickets of all places!). I am a bit less skeptical of Ganley than most here. I think I'd have more faith in the likes of him being able to cut the public sector wage bill than the gombeens currently in there.

Has Ganley ever stolen hundreds of thousands of euro in taxpayer's money in junkets and other scandalously lavish expenses? Nope. i'd take him over John 'Limo' O'Donoghue any day I have to say.

Still though, prefer to get ordinary irish people in to Dail Eireann ahead of Declan Ganley.

prinz

murphaph wrote: »

I'd disagree there Tony. Erskine Childers and Martin Mansergh had/have much toffier accents and sill got elected (on FF tickets of all places!)

+1 His accent has nothing to do with it. We have never had a problem in this country of electing, or embracing people with 'foreign' accents/from abroad once they put Ireland first.

notolis

Oh, no...we couldn't possibly have an articulate, intelligent, coherent, educated person in the Dáil!!! That's why we have a complete shower of gob****es running the country...ALL BECAUSE OF YOU PEOPLE!!!! The whole place has been run to the ground, scandal after scandal, but we're forgetting something...THEY WERE ELECTED BY A CLUELESS, IGNORANT SHOWER OF ELECTORAL SHEEP AND YES MEN.

Get after the scum in the Dáil and not the likes of Declan Ganley.

turgon

BroomBurner wrote: »

It's always good to have dissenters and detractors in government. Keeps democracy and debate alive.

Once again, how is the act of having a vocal independant TD keeping the institution of democracy alive???

Have people forgotten the definition of demoracy?

Keano

Ganley would add as much to the Dáil as Lee is currently doing. There would be a great big fanfare as per Lee but I have not heard a single word about him (Lee) since he got in.

OldJay

darkman2 wrote: »

I reckon we need a Ganley in the Dáil - what do you think? A bit of democracy and accountability does no harm.

Which part of Ganley is accountable? His multi-million dollar defence contracts with the US? The funding of his party?
Do explain. How has Ganley been "accountable" exactly?

snubbleste

Justind wrote: »

Which part of Ganley is accountable? His multi-million dollar defence contracts with the US? The funding of his party?
Do explain. How has Ganley been "accountable" exactly?

Ganley's been accountable for funding to the current (FF drafted) legislation.

I would welcome his running for the Dáil purely for his debating ability and willingness to challenge others on their policies, though he may not get a seat in Gaway East

OldJay

snubbleste wrote: »

Ganley's been accountable for funding to the current (FF drafted) legislation

Why no previous mention of certain Hedge Fund organisations from the UK so?
Why did he say he never had a British passport before when in fact he did?

A self-serving bullsh*tter no different to the rest.

ei.sdraob

Ah ffs not that guy!

its like inviting Hitler to rock the boat

odoylerulez

So people are angry because Ganley is british, yet they don't mind handing over their countries sovereignty out to bureaucrats from france, germany and italy?.

Look to be honest the proof will be seen in the coming months. Ganley was simply telling you guys the truth about whats going on and the majority of people instead of listening decided to put their fingers in the ears and start screaming loudly 'i can't hear you' or just ridicule the guy.

Its ok because in the end of the day you reap what you sow. The proof of what lisbon is really all about will be seen shortly after its ratified(soon) If you think things are bad now. The main problem with people in this country is we're become lazy and selfish so much so that we have handed every last inch of freedom we have over to someone else in exchange for goods or services or the promise of a non existant jobs. We're too lazy even to defend our own freedoms.

Anyone who comes along and tells people the truth about whats going on is normally treated like this. First it's outright hostility towards the guy, then denial, then finally acceptance of what he saying is true when the facts become obvious beyond dispute. You will see this happening with lisbon too. Anyone who has properly examined it in full detail know what its really about also. People have become cosy and lazy with their lifestyles. They don't want to accept the fact that everything is immaterial and the only thing that really matters is your own freedom to do whatever you want but slowly inch by inch that is been taken away from people. People are just in the denial stage at the moment where they are denying the truth and hoping this will bring better things to add to their already comfortable lifestyles i.e the middle class. The working classes who always get the short end of the straw voted on masse against this. The middle class voted yes for this but will soon see also that this treaty will mean the lumping of workers all into one group. Underclass and elites.


It will become apparent later on whats going on then i expect the masses to react.

OldJay

odoylerulez wrote: »

So people are angry because Ganley is british, yet they don't mind handing over their countries sovereignty out to bureaucrats from france, germany and italy?
. . .
Personally I'd rather die a free man then live on my knees as a slave.

Oh relax with the melodrama.
I mentioned his denial of his passport history simply because he lied. I don't give a stuff if he was an Albanian.

Ganley was not telling the truth. He was ignoring the legal guarantees and cherry-picking snippets of the treaty to misinform.
If that suits you, then fine. It doesn't with me.

ei.sdraob

odoylerulez wrote: »

So people are angry because Ganley is british, yet they don't mind handing over their countries sovereignty out to bureaucrats from france, germany and italy?.

my list against Ganley (feel free to add!)

1. no one knows what country he is a citizen of

2. he is rude

3. Declan Ganley wants a United States of Europe

4. he moved his business to tax heavens in order to avoid paying taxes here

5. connections with euro skeptics here and here

6. having US military personnel who are responsible for starting wars on his company

7. he lies

8. he has no clear policy!

9. he is a failed politician

10. he is under investigation and has dodgy backers


we already have a shower of bleep bleep in Dail, we dont need opportunists like Ganley

odoylerulez

Justind wrote: »

Oh relax with the melodrama.
I mentioned his denial of his passport history simply because he lied. I don't give a stuff if he was an Albanian.

Ganley was not telling the truth. He was ignoring the legal guarantees and cherry-picking snippets of the treaty to misinform.
If that suits you, then fine. It doesn't with me.

My friend when there is one group running the whole show a legal gaurentee from politicians is as good as a used car salesmans promise. Its amazing how people are clinging onto this not realising the implications of it. Who's going to court when they break it(which they will) the people? Do you think the government will side against their political masters in brussels over the people's freedoms. Do you not think the bureacrats in brussels have all the judge's in their back pockets even at an international level? Your not paying attention to the governments history and past actions then i'd suggest.

Its amazing how naieve people are. To give away their countries freedoms and sovereignty based on a 'legal gaurentee' is showing how much you value your own country.

Biggins

odoylerulez wrote: »

My friend when there is one group running the whole show a legal guarantee is as good as a used car salesmans promise.

True, like a military man selling weapons either! :rolleyes:

odoylerulez wrote: »

Its amazing how naive people are.

This is true as well. He stands up in this country for ONE issue and some people are willing to sell him the whole shop - why?
Because he speaks well!

Naive indeed. Some supporters are like a horse wearing blinkers!

odoylerulez

Biggins wrote: »

True, like a military man selling weapons either! :rolleyes:



This is true as well. He stands up in this country for ONE issue and some people are willing to sell him the whole shop - why?
Because he speaks well!

Naive indeed. Some supporters are like a horse wearing blinkers!

Well there is something to be said for dressing well and appearing presentable and keeping your voice level low which i dunno appeals to the public. I mean that still does stand for something you know rather then appearing slobbish, overweight, inarticulate and boorish in speech. Thats just human nature though people do like to hear and listen to people who are presentable. Or would you show up for an interview with hair messy, food down your clothes dribbling from the mouth?

To top that off he at least presents us with some semblance of reality of whats going on at the top and is calling our corrupt politicans out which is something they really don't like. They like to be surrounded by yes men.

prinz

odoylerulez wrote: »

Well there is something to be said for dressing well and appearing presentable and keeping your voice level low which i dunno appeals to the public. I mean that still does stand for something you know rather then appearing slobbish, overweight, inarticulate and boorish in speech.

So we should vote him because he has a shiny new suit, and a shiny new head? :rolleyes: When have a 300 odd million fortune behind me I'll get a pretty decent suit too. Will you vote for me?

odoylerulez wrote: »

To top that off he at least presents us with some semblance of reality of whats going on at the top and is calling our corrupt politicans out which is something they really don't like. They like to be surrounded by yes men.

He knows what's going on "at the top" does he? From what, his own extensive experience as an elected official? Public representative? Politician?....

Biggins

odoylerulez wrote: »

Well there is something to be said for dressing well and appearing presentable and keeping your voice level low which i dunno appeals to the public. I mean that still does stand for something you know rather then appearing slobbish, overweight, inarticulate and boorish in speech. Thats just human nature though people do like to hear and listen to people who are presentable. Or would you show up for an interview with hair messy, food down your clothes dribbling from the mouth?

To top that off he at least presents us with some semblance of reality of whats going on at the top and is calling our corrupt politicans out which is something they really don't like. They like to be surrounded by yes men.

O' look for gods sake!

We can grab anybody off the street, dress them up in a suit, ask them to speak on ONE issue - that sure as hell don't make them alternative material.
Even Hitler came out like Mussolini, Mugabe, Castro, etc and gave out about what went on before and who did it?
Did that make them any better (than the previous) or are you still missing my point?

Clearly those blinkers are not allowing you to see the full picture and until your willing at at least investigate those your willing to vote for, naivety indeed is still rampant in this country.

OldJay

odoylerulez wrote: »

My friend when there is one group running the whole show a legal gaurentee from politicians is as good as a used car salesmans promise. Its amazing how people are clinging onto this not realising the implications of it. Who's going to court when they break it(which they will) the people? Do you think the government will side against their political masters in brussels over the people's freedoms. Do you not think the bureacrats in brussels have all the judge's in their back pockets even at an international level? Your not paying attention to the governments history and past actions then i'd suggest

Discuss your conspiracy theories in the appropriate forum.

If you're going to lecture me on the structure of the EU and its commissions, please read up on it before doing you.
Otherwise, you look fairly out of your depth on this subject and I'd say underwater if ever away from the net.
There are far too many delusionaries out there who seem to have some effed-up ideal that the Republic of Ireland can be self-subsistent. They'll even throw out some ridiculous comparisons with Norway and Switzerland.

odoylerulez wrote: »

Its amazing how naieve people are. To give away their countries freedoms and sovereignty based on a 'legal gaurentee' is showing how much you value your own country.

A legal guarantee is good enough for its signees here on this island (the Good Friday Agreement). Are you saying that this is worthless?

Sorry, kiddo. Not good enough.