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Your Predictions for the Economy Post Lisbon

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  • 03-10-2009 7:27pm
    #1
    free-man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭


    How do you think the economy will fare after Lisbon.

    Are the mainstream parties right in that ratification of Lisbon will lead to economic recovery, a reduction in unemployment and more jobs?

    Unfortunately I think the economy will not be effected by ratification.

    Your thoughts?


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    #2
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    More confidence in the economy, especially amongst consumers, can never be a bad thing.

    Even if people thought "Ok, Lisbon is through now, things will get better", they'll start acting differently to when they thought the whole world was ****ed, and the economy can only benefit.


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    #3
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Minimum wage €1.84?

    :D


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    #4
    free-man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 350 ✭✭free-man


    Rb wrote: »
    More confidence in the economy, especially amongst consumers, can never be a bad thing.

    Even if people thought "Ok, Lisbon is through now, things will get better", they'll start acting differently to when they thought the whole world was ****ed, and the economy can only benefit.

    So you think the economy will improve due to the Lisbon Yes?

    When do you feel this is likely to happen?


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    #5
    PaulieD
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 932 ✭✭✭PaulieD


    -Massive cuts across the board.
    -Nama will pass.
    -Over 550,000 on the scratcher by mid spring.
    -Intel to leave to eastern europe.;)


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    deathofan80sman
    Registered Users Posts: 26 ✭deathofan80sman


    The economy will improve no matter what.....Lisbon supporters will give the credit to the treaty. Lisbon changes nothing about the economy here. FF are still on the board of management after years of negligence.


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    #7
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    free-man wrote: »
    So you think the economy will improve due to the Lisbon Yes?

    When do you feel this is likely to happen?


    Heres a wild idea...


    Investment?


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    dresden8
    Registered Users Posts: 3,289 ✭✭✭dresden8


    PaulieD wrote: »
    -Massive cuts across the board.
    -Nama will pass.
    -Over 550,000 on the scratcher by mid spring.
    -Intel to leave to eastern europe.;)

    Shortly after NAMA passes and the banks have got their money, they will start on the house re-possessions.

    Expect massive mortgage and credit card default.

    And the need for more bank capitalisation.

    Europe better hurry up with those jobs.


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    #9
    vinylbomb
    Registered Users Posts: 605 ✭✭✭vinylbomb


    Well, it would appear that those better informed than me would think that things will get better. Not today, not tomorrow but bit by bit in the future so I'm happy to trust them.

    http://www.indecon.ie/download/pdf/aw_lisbon_sept.pdf

    Paulie, have you any sources for your predictions?


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    #10
    Carstuck
    Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭Carstuck


    It won't make any difference. Companies will continue to close and employees will continue to lose jobs.


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    #11
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    vinylbomb wrote: »

    Paulie, have you any sources for your predictions?


    Declan Ganley told him.


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    #12
    eoinbn
    Registered Users Posts: 796 ✭✭✭eoinbn


    Are the mainstream parties right in that ratification of Lisbon will lead to economic recovery, a reduction in unemployment and more jobs?

    Lets not be childish and naive about this. Lisbon is about strengthening Europe which in turn should be good for us. It's not some gravy train that was designed so that Ireland could hold europe to randsom with.


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    RealityCheck
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    Lisbon wont matter a whole lot. We have to get ourselves out of the current mess we are in. There will be no white night to rescue us. We have to engineer ourselves into a country worth investing in. Lisbon wont do much in that regard. We have to get the fundamentals right first.


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    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,068 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I wonder if the 'rewards' for Irelands Yes vote will still be forthcoming if Klaus & Cameron manage to scupper Lisbon

    or will we be 'punished' for what choices they make...


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    RealityCheck
    Closed Accounts Posts: 695 ✭✭✭RealityCheck


    My name is URL wrote: »
    I wonder if the 'rewards' for Irelands Yes vote will still be forthcoming if Klaus & Cameron manage to scupper Lisbon

    or will we be 'punished' for what choices they make...


    We definately wont be punished should that occur. We will quickly be forgotten about.
    What rewards are we expecting ? All countries will soon have ratified Lisbon, what makes us so special out of the 27 ?


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    Min
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    The economy, sweeping cuts, more tax and hope the worldwide economy picks up as Lisbon makes no difference.


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    #17
    Sam Vimes
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    Nothing's going to happen to the economy, sure we all knew it was lies :rolleyes:


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    #18
    conchubhar1
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    sweet f.a effect.

    It will coincide with an upturn in the economy - as did fianna fáils tenure in govt on the whole and will therefore be grabbed and a victory by political parties.

    It is wholly coincidental tho.


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    #19
    Liam Byrne
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    Carstuck wrote: »
    It won't make any difference. Companies will continue to close and employees will continue to lose jobs.

    That's not what Lenihan & Co promised; did you not see the posters ?

    "Yes to jobs" was what they said, and the scum had better damn well deliver.


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    #20
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Considering Lisbon wasnt ratified yet in all countries

    we wont know the affects until well after


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    #21
    Elba101
    Registered Users Posts: 578 ✭✭✭Elba101


    When i leave my €1.84 p/h job to go get my abortion because i've thrown my freedom away then my faith in the Lisbon treaty will be solidifed.


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    #22
    PaulieD
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    dresden8 wrote: »
    Shortly after NAMA passes and the banks have got their money, they will start on the house re-possessions.

    Expect massive mortgage and credit card default.

    And the need for more bank capitalisation.

    Europe better hurry up with those jobs.

    It would be funny if it wasnt so true. We had one chance to get Fianna Fail out and save the country. We blew it.


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    #23
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    PaulieD wrote: »
    It would be funny if it wasnt so true. We had one chance to get Fianna Fail out and save the country. We blew it.

    Wait I thought this was a referendum on an EU treaty but you seem to think it was a general election. I'm confused :confused:


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    #24
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    Wait I thought this was a referendum on an EU treaty but you seem to think it was a general election. I'm confused :confused:

    Yeah, thats generally the reaction to his posts.


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    #25
    granite man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭granite man


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    Considering Lisbon wasnt ratified yet in all countries

    we wont know the affects until well after

    Well after what exactly?
    After x amount of faceless families have lost their homes and savings?
    After another x amount of people have lost their jobs due to the continuing high cost of doing business here?
    After the IMF (with europes blessing) has decided the only way to make Ireland competitive again is by fecking half the public service out of work and creating an economic structure where we'll be delighted to work for next to nothing? The minimum wage won't matter because people will have to work for pennies just to feed themselves.
    After they've started building armament factories in Ireland to kill humans in a different country (hardly effects our neutrality if we're only sponsoring the killing, not commiting the act ourselves.)
    After any social outbursts(street protests, strikes, riots etc) are quelled by a EU special reserve police force?

    I'd say once this treaty gets ratified you'll see the true face of what you have very foolishly voted in.


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    #26
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    granite man wrote: »
    After any social outbursts(street protests, strikes, riots etc) are quelled by a EU special reserve police force?

    Where might this EU special reserve police force come from? :confused:


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    granite man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭granite man


    Any one of the member states. I'll take it you didn't read up before voting? This is the bit where member states must all fall in line in times of 'terrorism' (whatever the definition is at the perceived time) and someone needing a bit of a dig out. The dig out is obviously laymans terms but its a bit easier to understand than the lawyerspeak on the document.


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    #28
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    granite man wrote: »
    Any one of the member states. I'll take it you didn't read up before voting? This is the bit where member states must all fall in line in times of 'terrorism' (whatever the definition is at the perceived time) and someone needing a bit of a dig out. The dig out is obviously laymans terms but its a bit easier to understand than the lawyerspeak on the document.

    Sounds very sinister now, doesnt it?


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    #29
    granite man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭granite man


    No more sinister than yesterday or the day before. Its all before us my friend.


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    #30
    prinz
    Registered Users Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    granite man wrote: »
    Any one of the member states. I'll take it you didn't read up before voting?

    Yeah I did, could you point out the section establishing the secret reserve EU police though? I must've missed it.


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    #31
    Fuhrer
    Registered Users Posts: 4,661 ✭✭✭Fuhrer


    granite man wrote: »
    No more sinister than yesterday or the day before. Its all before us my friend.


    You know where the secret police are headquatered?


    Sounds like a good job, might apply.


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