Your Predictions for the Economy Post Lisbon

free-man · 03-10-2009 6:27pm #1

How do you think the economy will fare after Lisbon.

Are the mainstream parties right in that ratification of Lisbon will lead to economic recovery, a reduction in unemployment and more jobs?

Unfortunately I think the economy will not be effected by ratification.

Your thoughts?

Rb · 03-10-2009 6:29pm

More confidence in the economy, especially amongst consumers, can never be a bad thing.

Even if people thought "Ok, Lisbon is through now, things will get better", they'll start acting differently to when they thought the whole world was ****ed, and the economy can only benefit.

ei.sdraob · 03-10-2009 6:31pm

Minimum wage €1.84?

free-man · 03-10-2009 6:31pm

Rb wrote: »

More confidence in the economy, especially amongst consumers, can never be a bad thing.

Even if people thought "Ok, Lisbon is through now, things will get better", they'll start acting differently to when they thought the whole world was ****ed, and the economy can only benefit.

So you think the economy will improve due to the Lisbon Yes?

When do you feel this is likely to happen?

PaulieD · 03-10-2009 6:39pm

-Massive cuts across the board.
-Nama will pass.
-Over 550,000 on the scratcher by mid spring.
-Intel to leave to eastern europe.;)

deathofan80sman · 03-10-2009 6:42pm

The economy will improve no matter what.....Lisbon supporters will give the credit to the treaty. Lisbon changes nothing about the economy here. FF are still on the board of management after years of negligence.

Fuhrer · 03-10-2009 6:42pm

free-man wrote: »

So you think the economy will improve due to the Lisbon Yes?

When do you feel this is likely to happen?

Heres a wild idea...

Investment?

dresden8 · 03-10-2009 6:45pm

PaulieD wrote: »

-Massive cuts across the board.
-Nama will pass.
-Over 550,000 on the scratcher by mid spring.
-Intel to leave to eastern europe.;)

Shortly after NAMA passes and the banks have got their money, they will start on the house re-possessions.

Expect massive mortgage and credit card default.

And the need for more bank capitalisation.

Europe better hurry up with those jobs.

vinylbomb · 03-10-2009 6:45pm

Well, it would appear that those better informed than me would think that things will get better. Not today, not tomorrow but bit by bit in the future so I'm happy to trust them.

http://www.indecon.ie/download/pdf/aw_lisbon_sept.pdf

Paulie, have you any sources for your predictions?

Carstuck · 03-10-2009 6:47pm

It won't make any difference. Companies will continue to close and employees will continue to lose jobs.

Fuhrer · 03-10-2009 6:49pm

vinylbomb wrote: »

Paulie, have you any sources for your predictions?

Declan Ganley told him.

eoinbn · 03-10-2009 6:57pm

Are the mainstream parties right in that ratification of Lisbon will lead to economic recovery, a reduction in unemployment and more jobs?

Lets not be childish and naive about this. Lisbon is about strengthening Europe which in turn should be good for us. It's not some gravy train that was designed so that Ireland could hold europe to randsom with.

RealityCheck · 03-10-2009 7:04pm

Lisbon wont matter a whole lot. We have to get ourselves out of the current mess we are in. There will be no white night to rescue us. We have to engineer ourselves into a country worth investing in. Lisbon wont do much in that regard. We have to get the fundamentals right first.

My name is URL · 03-10-2009 7:06pm

I wonder if the 'rewards' for Irelands Yes vote will still be forthcoming if Klaus & Cameron manage to scupper Lisbon

or will we be 'punished' for what choices they make...

RealityCheck · 03-10-2009 7:10pm

My name is URL wrote: »

I wonder if the 'rewards' for Irelands Yes vote will still be forthcoming if Klaus & Cameron manage to scupper Lisbon

or will we be 'punished' for what choices they make...

We definately wont be punished should that occur. We will quickly be forgotten about.
What rewards are we expecting ? All countries will soon have ratified Lisbon, what makes us so special out of the 27 ?

Min · 03-10-2009 7:25pm

The economy, sweeping cuts, more tax and hope the worldwide economy picks up as Lisbon makes no difference.

Sam Vimes · 03-10-2009 7:25pm

Nothing's going to happen to the economy, sure we all knew it was lies :rolleyes:

conchubhar1 · 03-10-2009 7:28pm

sweet f.a effect.

It will coincide with an upturn in the economy - as did fianna fáils tenure in govt on the whole and will therefore be grabbed and a victory by political parties.

It is wholly coincidental tho.

Liam Byrne · 03-10-2009 7:49pm

Carstuck wrote: »

It won't make any difference. Companies will continue to close and employees will continue to lose jobs.

That's not what Lenihan & Co promised; did you not see the posters ?

"Yes to jobs" was what they said, and the scum had better damn well deliver.

ei.sdraob · 03-10-2009 7:55pm

Considering Lisbon wasnt ratified yet in all countries

we wont know the affects until well after

Elba101 · 03-10-2009 8:05pm

When i leave my €1.84 p/h job to go get my abortion because i've thrown my freedom away then my faith in the Lisbon treaty will be solidifed.

PaulieD · 03-10-2009 8:09pm

dresden8 wrote: »

Shortly after NAMA passes and the banks have got their money, they will start on the house re-possessions.

Expect massive mortgage and credit card default.

And the need for more bank capitalisation.

Europe better hurry up with those jobs.

It would be funny if it wasnt so true. We had one chance to get Fianna Fail out and save the country. We blew it.

Sam Vimes · 03-10-2009 8:16pm

PaulieD wrote: »

It would be funny if it wasnt so true. We had one chance to get Fianna Fail out and save the country. We blew it.

Wait I thought this was a referendum on an EU treaty but you seem to think it was a general election. I'm confused

Fuhrer · 03-10-2009 8:18pm

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Wait I thought this was a referendum on an EU treaty but you seem to think it was a general election. I'm confused

Yeah, thats generally the reaction to his posts.

granite man · 03-10-2009 8:22pm

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Considering Lisbon wasnt ratified yet in all countries

we wont know the affects until well after

Well after what exactly?
After x amount of faceless families have lost their homes and savings?
After another x amount of people have lost their jobs due to the continuing high cost of doing business here?
After the IMF (with europes blessing) has decided the only way to make Ireland competitive again is by fecking half the public service out of work and creating an economic structure where we'll be delighted to work for next to nothing? The minimum wage won't matter because people will have to work for pennies just to feed themselves.
After they've started building armament factories in Ireland to kill humans in a different country (hardly effects our neutrality if we're only sponsoring the killing, not commiting the act ourselves.)
After any social outbursts(street protests, strikes, riots etc) are quelled by a EU special reserve police force?

I'd say once this treaty gets ratified you'll see the true face of what you have very foolishly voted in.

prinz · 03-10-2009 8:29pm

granite man wrote: »

After any social outbursts(street protests, strikes, riots etc) are quelled by a EU special reserve police force?

Where might this EU special reserve police force come from?

granite man · 03-10-2009 8:36pm

Any one of the member states. I'll take it you didn't read up before voting? This is the bit where member states must all fall in line in times of 'terrorism' (whatever the definition is at the perceived time) and someone needing a bit of a dig out. The dig out is obviously laymans terms but its a bit easier to understand than the lawyerspeak on the document.

Fuhrer · 03-10-2009 8:37pm

granite man wrote: »

Any one of the member states. I'll take it you didn't read up before voting? This is the bit where member states must all fall in line in times of 'terrorism' (whatever the definition is at the perceived time) and someone needing a bit of a dig out. The dig out is obviously laymans terms but its a bit easier to understand than the lawyerspeak on the document.

Sounds very sinister now, doesnt it?

granite man · 03-10-2009 8:39pm

No more sinister than yesterday or the day before. Its all before us my friend.

prinz · 03-10-2009 8:41pm

granite man wrote: »

Any one of the member states. I'll take it you didn't read up before voting?

Yeah I did, could you point out the section establishing the secret reserve EU police though? I must've missed it.

Fuhrer · 03-10-2009 8:47pm

granite man wrote: »

No more sinister than yesterday or the day before. Its all before us my friend.

You know where the secret police are headquatered?

Sounds like a good job, might apply.

johnathan woss · 03-10-2009 8:50pm

The economy is still absolutely FUBAR but at least now the EU will keep us from dropping into the 3rd world for longer.

Where do you all the economic geniuses on the no-side think we'd be if
1) we were forced to leave the Euro
or
2) the ECB stopped lending to us

???

granite man · 03-10-2009 8:52pm

prinz wrote: »

Yeah I did, could you point out the section establishing the secret reserve EU police though? I must've missed it.

Ooops, apologies, the garda would sort any mass acts of insurrection out in the same way the old RUC managed to stem the disquiet up North in the 70's. They didn't beg for support from 'outside', did they? Wake up.

granite man · 03-10-2009 8:55pm

johnathan woss wrote: »

The economy is still absolutely FUBAR but at least now the EU will keep us from dropping into the 3rd world for longer.

Where do you all the economic geniuses on the no-side think we'd be if
1) we were forced to leave the Euro
or
2) the ECB stopped lending to us

???

1/ Leaving the EU was not what Lisbon was about.
2/ They wouldn't

johnathan woss · 03-10-2009 8:57pm

So you think that the elites in the EU have plans to turn it into a facist super state but that they wouldn't force us out and forge ahead with those plans without us ?

Doesn't add up.

Min · 03-10-2009 9:02pm

Maybe they work within project indect.

prinz · 03-10-2009 9:07pm

granite man wrote: »

Ooops, apologies, the garda would sort any mass acts of insurrection out in the same way the old RUC managed to stem the disquiet up North in the 70's..

News shocker, the gardaí would sort out any riots/mass insurrections :eek:

granite man · 03-10-2009 9:07pm

johnathan woss wrote: »

So you think that the elites in the EU have plans to turn it into a facist super state but that they wouldn't force us out and forge ahead with those plans without us ?

Doesn't add up.

It makes perfect sense, we're on the most western boundary of Europe, in tactical terms it is essential for defence. Why do you think the Brits have hung on to the North for so long? Its hardly the blooming economy.

johnathan woss · 03-10-2009 9:12pm

Ireland is essential to the defence of the EU ?

From whom ?

A USA landing force ?

Fuhrer · 03-10-2009 9:13pm

johnathan woss wrote: »

Ireland is essential to the defence of the EU ?

From whom ?

A USA landing force ?

Iceland

And possible Greenland

hatrickpatrick · 03-10-2009 9:15pm

The economy will improve very soon. But it won't have a damn thing to do with Lisbon.

RealityCheck · 03-10-2009 9:16pm

johnathan woss wrote: »

Ireland is essential to the defence of the EU ?

From whom ?

A USA landing force ?

Illegal drug traffickers ?

granite man · 03-10-2009 9:16pm

johnathan woss wrote: »

Ireland is essential to the defence of the EU ?

From whom ?

A USA landing force ?

I'd take a guess at Russia.

Fuhrer · 03-10-2009 9:17pm

granite man wrote: »

I'd take a guess at Russia.

Arent they in the east?

ugh, nevermind.

PaulieD · 03-10-2009 9:18pm

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Wait I thought this was a referendum on an EU treaty but you seem to think it was a general election. I'm confused

This would have been an electoral loss too many for Fianna Fail. If Lisbon was rejected, Cowen would have been pushed and they would have had to call an election. Willie O'Dea said as much during an RTE interview after the result. Instead, Cowen and Co will claim that they have a mandate to run the country and make the tough decisions. And continue they will, until the summer of 2012. You voted Yes for jobs alright, Fianna Fails.

Fuhrer · 03-10-2009 9:19pm

PaulieD wrote: »

This would have been an electoral loss too many for Fianna Fail. If Lisbon was rejected, Cowen would have been pushed and they would have had to call an election. Willie O'Dea said as much during an RTE interview after the result. Instead, Cowen and Co will claim that they have a mandate to run the country and make the tough decisions. And continue they will, until the summer of 2012. You voted Yes for jobs alright, Fianna Fails.

By that logic, a no vote is a vote for Sinn Fein?

granite man · 03-10-2009 9:21pm

Fuhrer wrote: »

Arent they in the east?

ugh, nevermind.

And their submarines have never got tangled with the odd fishing net. Plus they've no modern military capacity either. And the ruction about Georgia didn't happen either. They definitely haven't gone away, y'know?

PaulieD · 03-10-2009 9:22pm

Fuhrer wrote: »

By that logic, a no vote is a vote for Sinn Fein?

How did you work that one out?

Kidchameleon · 03-10-2009 9:27pm

vinylbomb wrote: »

Paulie, have you any sources for your predictions?

Read up on history mate

Fuhrer · 03-10-2009 9:32pm

granite man wrote: »

And their submarines have never got tangled with the odd fishing net. Plus they've no modern military capacity either. And the ruction about Georgia didn't happen either. They definitely haven't gone away, y'know?

Theres Russians under your bed and in your closet!

rumour · 03-10-2009 9:34pm

free-man wrote: »

How do you think the economy will fare after Lisbon.

Are the mainstream parties right in that ratification of Lisbon will lead to economic recovery, a reduction in unemployment and more jobs?

Unfortunately I think the economy will not be effected by ratification.

Your thoughts?

Being a sorely depressed person at the minute I hope this isn't clouded.

1 Its going to get worse
2 Sure it will as long as they don't say when and you believe them.
3 You are right.

Your Predictions for the Economy Post Lisbon

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