What won it for the Yes side?

K-9

So it was the economy, stupid.

What else won it for the Yes side?

I think O'Leary played a part as he could call Ganley, SF, McKenna et all failures and rejects and remind the electorate that the vast majority wouldn't vote for them.

The mainstream parties couldn't be as direct.

tommyboy2222

Coir

asdasd

Fear.

marco_polo

K-9 wrote: »

So it was the economy, stupid.

What else won it for the Yes side?

I think O'Leary played a part as he could call Ganley, SF, McKenna et all failures and rejects and remind the electorate that the vast majority wouldn't vote for them.

The mainstream parties couldn't be as direct.

More informed Electorate.

The Guarantees.

Recession.

Coir Posters.

UKIP intervention.

Union support this time around.

cooperguy

Less over the top lying compared to the 'No' side. Biggest own goal of the whole campaign was the 1.84 Coir thing

Cosmo Kramer

asdasd wrote: »

Fear.

Yup. Simple as that.

When we were flying high we were confident (or arrogant) enough to tell Europe where to go. Now we're screwed we need their help and we want to get back in.

Similar to Iceland really. Ignored the EU for 50 years and now they're so far up the creek they want and need to get involved.

caseyann

Fear manipulation and people thinking Ireland would lose out if they didn't. Doesnt matter anyway we will be stuffed either way.

meditraitor

I voted yes because I like the fact we are part of Europe and I like what being part of Europe has done for our LITTLE country..... and as the previous poster pointed out look at Iceland for an example of what a small nation can end up like without a little help from friends

Slash/ED

The no campaign had a huge influence, from talking to people it got alot of people annoyed and motivated them to at least become more informed and pretty much all of them voted yes, and pretty much none of them voted last time. So good job no campaign and your 1.84 minimum wage!

ztoical

tommyboy2222 wrote: »

Coir

The minute they rolled out that abortion poster they lost a massive chunk of people for the no side.

free-man

The association of the No side with radical religious groups such as Coir where in reality most No voters wanted no association with them.

The misleading poster & media campaign that a Yes to Lisbon was going to improve the economy and lead to job creation, which has been backtracked on by Brian Lenihan this morning.

The guarantees, regardless of your viewpoint on them.

Funglegunk

marco_polo wrote: »

More informed Electorate.

The Guarantees.

Recession.

Coir Posters.

UKIP intervention.

Union support this time around.

Exactly.

Jip

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Yup. Simple as that.

Completely disagree, those who claim that are giving the electorate very little credit. IMO it was more due to the guarantees about the commissioner and the amount of nutters on the No side.

Bandit12

Fear. Plain and simple fear.

jacool

IMPACT OF 'NO' VOTE ON IRELAND
A 'No' vote could damage Ireland's international image and create a false perception in financial markets that it is hostile to Europe and even the euro.
Some multinationals might even put off investing in Ireland -- and Mr Cowen could even be forced to resign. More likely, however, is that the Coalition would be badly shaken and members of the Greens could oppose the Government in the October 10 vote. This could lead to an early election, in which Fine Gael would hope to take power, probably in a coalition government with Labour. The "bad bank" plan would then be jettisoned, hitting bank shares. Efforts to squeeze €4bn from next year's deficit could also be complicated by the Labour Party's opposition to public sector pay cuts.

This is why people voted YES, Labour might get into power, and the banks might suffer !!

dan719

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Similar to Iceland really. Ignored the EU for 50 years and now they're so far up the creek they want and need to get involved.

More lies. The government have passed a resolution to put the issue to a vote. Currently the opinion polls are a resounding no. This is an issue that sectors of the business and finance community in Iceland have pushed for a long time. Iceland will not vote to join the EU in the near future.

free-man

dan719 wrote: »

More lies. The government have passed a resolution to put the issue to a vote. Currently the opinion polls are a resounding no. This is an issue that sectors of the business and finance community in Iceland have pushed for a long time. Iceland will not vote to join the EU in the near future.

I imagine they won't after seeing the ordeal we had to go through in the last year to get the 'right' answer.

Bob_Harris

Jip wrote: »

Completely disagree, those who claim that are giving the electorate very little credit.

Did you see the interviews with people as they walked out of polling stations aired over the course of today on RTE?

Whether it was a Yes voter or a No voter the reasons they gave for making the choice they did had absolutely nothing to do with Lisbon, it's contents or its effect.

So no, the electorate don't deserve any credit. In most referendums, or even general elections, the vast majority of people haven't a clue what they are voting for.

caseyann

Jip wrote: »

Completely disagree, those who claim that are giving the electorate very little credit. IMO it was more due to the guarantees about the commissioner and the amount of nutters on the No side.

Totally disagree with you,It was definitely pure scaremongering going on.If we don't vote yes we are sending a bad message to Europe and the sudden fall in our economy after the last vote.How very bizarre:eek:

LoanShark

Well, it wasn't Donegal that won it for them!!

marco_polo

caseyann wrote: »

the sudden fall in our economy after the last vote.How very bizarre:eek:

[citation needed]

CCCP^

tommyboy2222 wrote: »

Coir

So you voted Yes because of a group that was supporting No which you didn't like? I hope you actually came to your own conclusions about the treaty.

caseyann

LoanShark wrote: »

Well, it wasn't Donegal that won it for them!!

And his very own constituency :D

caseyann

marco_polo wrote: »

[citation needed]

For what the obvious :rolleyes:

marco_polo

caseyann wrote: »

For what the obvious :rolleyes:

I am sorry but rolleyes just don't cut it.

Any source that shows any Yes campaign group that attributed the recession to a no vote last time out.

I know a few who attributes a Yes vote on the EU constitution with a 18% unemployment in spain but that is all.

Antrim_Man

Fear after threats from our politicians and from Euro bullies.

Rb

I like how the No voters who themselves couldn't find a legitimate reason to vote against the treaty just have to believe that those who voted Yes couldn't have had legitimate reasons also. Petty, pathetic, desperate nonsense.

It's clear why we voted Yes and fear has little to do with it, an immense amount less than those who were terrified of abortion, conscription, control of our taxation etc and voted against the treaty as a consequence last time.

Time to face facts guys, sense prevailed and Ireland and Europe have benefitted from it.

Maybe if you finally manage to find a flaw in the treaty, though you've failed so far, you could all get together and rally your local TD"s about it. Until then, stop being such sore losers.

K-9

caseyann wrote: »

And his very own constituency :D

Surprised it was so close, a 500 vote swing and it would have been a Yes.

PaulieD

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Similar to Iceland really. Ignored the EU for 50 years and now they're so far up the creek they want and need to get involved.

We are polar opposites in fact. Iceland realised that they did not want to throw their national sovereignty away just for an EU bailout. They will get out of their current predicament quicker than we will get out of ours, and still be a sovereign independent nation.

Antrim_Man

Rb wrote: »

I like how the No voters who themselves couldn't find a legitimate reason to vote against the treaty just have to believe that those who voted Yes couldn't have had legitimate reasons also. Petty, pathetic, desperate nonsense.

It's clear why we voted Yes and fear has little to do with it, an immense amount less than those who were terrified of abortion, conscription, control of our taxation etc and voted against the treaty as a consequence last time.

Time to face facts guys, sense prevailed and Ireland and Europe have benefitted from it.

Maybe if you finally manage to find a flaw in the treaty, though you've failed so far, you could all get together and rally your local TD"s about it. Until then, stop being such sore losers.

LMAO The Yes vote lost the last time but never accepted the result, now that is serious sore losers.

Rb

Run Paulie! The Slavs are coming!

PrivateEye

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Rb

Antrim_Man wrote: »

LMAO The Yes vote lost the last time but never accepted the result, now that is serious sore losers.

Actually, I believe you'll find they did accept the vote, then asked people why they voted against it, brought those reasons to Europe and got assurances in the form of legally binding guarantees and we got to vote again, with said guarantees, and the people of Ireland passed it.

If you want, the No voters are welcome to come up with a few valid, treaty based reasons and get a party elected that not only believe in those reasons, but will run a third referendum based on them. I'll happily hit the booths and vote in favour of the treaty again.

caseyann

marco_polo wrote: »

I am sorry but rolleyes just don't cut it.

Any source that shows any Yes campaign group that attributed the recession to a no vote last time out.

I know a few who attributes a Yes vote on the EU constitution with a 18% unemployment in spain but that is all.

You misunderstood what i said;) I merely pointed out the sudden drop after the last vote and said how bizarre.Where did you find me saying that yes said that was reason.

Now can i roll eyes

Rb

marco_polo: caseyann doesn't do sources. If she finds something that suits her "argument", she'll copy/paste and pass it off as her own. If not, she'll make statements and then back track when called up on it.

PaulieD

Rb wrote: »

Run Paulie! The Slavs are coming!

They have been for over five years, and well you know it. Stop trying to ridicule others.

caseyann

Rb wrote: »

I like how the No voters who themselves couldn't find a legitimate reason to vote against the treaty just have to believe that those who voted Yes couldn't have had legitimate reasons also. Petty, pathetic, desperate nonsense.

It's clear why we voted Yes and fear has little to do with it, an immense amount less than those who were terrified of abortion, conscription, control of our taxation etc and voted against the treaty as a consequence last time.

Time to face facts guys, sense prevailed and Ireland and Europe have benefitted from it.

Maybe if you finally manage to find a flaw in the treaty, though you've failed so far, you could all get together and rally your local TD"s about it. Until then, stop being such sore losers.

You can count me out of that sore losers thing i am still very happy

Just merely pointing out what people seriously alot alot of them are saying.Because lets face it even if it is good move they still didn't understand it.

Notice i did not say you didnt and good for you having your reasons to vote yes/In the long run people are voting for how they feel about it be it whether you agree with them or not.

caseyann

Rb wrote: »

marco_polo: caseyann doesn't do sources. If she finds something that suits her "argument", she'll copy/paste and pass it off as her own. If not, she'll make statements and then back track when called up on it.

So how is plain obvious in our face what happened not proof enough to what i said? Ireland voted NO last year and within small space of time it all fell to pieces.I never once said yes side said that

K-9

PaulieD wrote: »

We are polar opposites in fact. Iceland realised that they did not want to throw their national sovereignty away just for an EU bailout. They will get out of their current predicament quicker than we will get out of ours, and still be a sovereign independent nation.

Do you realise how fecked they are?

Rb

caseyann wrote: »

So how is plain obvious in our face what happened not proof enough to what i said? Ireland voted NO last year and within small space of time it all fell to pieces.I never once said yes side said that

So, because the economy got worse, which can be linked to several different legitimate things, it automatically means that the EU were somehow trying to punish us? And that is supposed to be obvious?

You do realise we have a conspiracy theory forum here, right? Because this is what a conspiracy theory is made of, co-incidences and lots of mad theories with little evidence based on them.

PaulieD

K-9 wrote: »

Do you realise how fecked they are?

Yes, but we are in a much worse position.

caseyann

K-9 wrote: »

Surprised it was so close, a 500 vote swing and it would have been a Yes.

Point was he didn't pull it off in his own constituency not a good day for him

caseyann

Rb wrote: »

So, because the economy got worse, which can be linked to several different legitimate things, it automatically means that the EU were somehow trying to punish us? And that is supposed to be obvious?

You do realise we have a conspiracy theory forum here, right? Because this is what a conspiracy theory is made of, co-incidences and lots of mad theories with little evidence based on them.

Rb i wasn't making big deal out of it was just a obvious thing that happened after the vote which i thought was odd.

Turtwig

caseyann wrote: »

Rb i wasn't making big deal out of it was just a obvious thing that happened after the vote which i thought was odd.

An obvious thing that had been forecast well in advance is hardly odd when it happens..

Fuhrer

PaulieD wrote: »

Yes, but we are in a much worse position.

Are you serious?

caseyann

Malty_T wrote: »

An obvious thing that had been forecast well in advance is hardly odd when it happens..

And at how fast i do agree

PaulieD

Fuhrer wrote: »

Are you serious?

Deadly serious, unfortunately.

Fuhrer

PaulieD wrote: »

Deadly serious, unfortunately.

I think its unfortunate that you believe that.

sceptre

caseyann wrote: »

Rb i wasn't making big deal out of it was just a obvious thing that happened after the vote which i thought was odd.

"Post hoc ergo propter hoc" is one of the basic logical fallacies. Just because one thing follows another doesn't mean it's caused by the first event. It might be, but you need something more than it having happened after it. It's generally known as correlation not implying causation.

There's a nice explanation of the whole thing on the "cum hoc ergo propter hoc" wikipedia page if you're interested.

But either way, it's seriously into conspiracy theory land (and even at the extreme end of that where the wolves roam free and even conspiracy law breaks down) to think that the EU somehow took out the Irish economy (which had obviously been propped up on nothing since 2002 and plenty of posts here pointed that out from a few years ago on) and did a job on the world economy just to make sure that the Lisbon treaty went through the Irish electorate. It would have been cheaper for them just to buy the country (and not figuratively, the traditional sale and deed way).

Bandit12

Sad day for our country.

caseyann

sceptre wrote: »

"Post hoc ergo propter hoc" is one of the basic logical fallacies. Just because one thing follows another doesn't mean it's caused by the first event. It might be, but you need something more than it having happened after it. It's generally known as correlation not implying causation.

There's a nice explanation of the whole thing on the "cum hoc ergo propter hoc" wikipedia page if you're interested.

But either way, it's seriously into conspiracy theory land (and even at the extreme end of that where the wolves roam free) to think that the EU somehow took out the Irish economy (which had obviously been propped up on nothing since 2002 and plenty of posts here pointed that out from a few years ago on) and did a job on the world economy just to make sure that the Lisbon treaty went through the Irish electorate. It would have been cheaper for them just to buy the country (and not figuratively, the traditional sale and deed way).

I didnt say it was because just said was odd

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