Now we need a new government...who will you vote in?

Elba101

Brian Cowan may have to dissolve the Dail in the coming weeks...As much as i don't want to see it, it looks like Enda Kenny could be the next Taoiseach:eek:

Who would you vote for??

Turtwig

The green's ain't so bad.

Someone who isn't afraid to make big cuts where they're needed...

ei.sdraob

Im not sure why this is in EU forum?

anyways: Labour or FG

Malty_T wrote: »

The green's ain't so bad.

Someone who isn't afraid to make big cuts where they're needed...

Someone who are keeping FF in power

PaulieD

A Yes vote has secured his job until the summer of 2012. Well done.

sceptre

This doesn't belong in the EU forum. It belongs in the general politics forum so I'm moving it there.

I don't see any particular probability that Brian Cowen will be dissolving anything in the next few weeks apart from vitamin C tablets with the cold weather we usually have in winter to be honest. I wouldn't have seen a Dail dissolution as likely in the short term regardless of the Lisbon result. But other people might have a different opinion.

There's a long opinion poll thread here which is likely to be of some use.

My name is URL

I'd like to see Joe Higgins join a more central party

He's a good man, and honest

I can't see myself voting for the Socialist Party though =p

prinz

Elba101 wrote: »

Who would you vote for??

I'm holding out for a new party to hit the scene. Hopefully centre-right. What we need are a a few strong-men (or women) tbh.

caseyann

All a bunch of crims lets see them take huge cuts on their wages, and expenses and stop spending money on ridiculous poster,booklets,flyer's for their ridiculous campaigns and make them fly on a normal plane,and no villas for them or suits that cost more than a few months dinners for some,that they all look like bunch of wolves in sheep clothing in.

I wouldn't vote a single one of them we need fresh brand new candidates and wash the whole of the Dáil :mad:

TheDublinMan

My problem is I don't know who among them is the lesser evil.
Honestly none of them are confidence inspiring.

Biggins

NOT voting for Labour - FF - FG or the present shower of independents.
They ALL showed where their loyalties lay when they ALL refused to call for O' Donaghue to go - in case he might expose them too for being up to the same antics.

I will be voting for any other alternative.
Given time, I hope soon my family friends and constituency, will be voting for me instead!

Elba101

caseyann wrote: »

I wouldn't vote a single one of them we need fresh brand new candidates and wash the whole of the Dáil :mad:

Someone's angry

Biggins

Elba101 wrote: »

Someone's angry

Yea, they fall under the category of "The Whole Country."

fintonie

SF its just a pity there is not enough of them, they would sort it all out.

Elba101

Biggins wrote: »

Yea, they fall under the category of "The Whole Country."

The whole country, eh? You asked everyone pretty quickly!

Biggins

Elba101 wrote: »

The whole country, eh? You asked everyone pretty quickly!

I'm good!

caseyann

Elba101 wrote: »

Someone's angry

God why they let them stay,why havent people of Ireland called for new elections and force them out :mad:

prinz

fintonie wrote: »

SF its just a pity there is not enough of them, they would sort it all out.

Aye they have some form in the area of 'sortin' things out alright. How would they deal with the banks I wonder?

Elba101

They don't know how.

Biggins

caseyann wrote: »

...why haven't people of Ireland called for new elections and force them out? :mad:

Been discussed at length: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055692688

fintonie

prinz wrote: »

Aye they have some form in the area of 'sortin' things out alright. How would they deal with the banks I wonder?

I think they would be in a far better position to deal with it as FF FG were well supported by all of them.

the ould run in and make them give money to the people doesn't really work any more.

dresden8

Biggins wrote: »

NOT voting for Labour - FF - FG or the present shower of independents.
They ALL showed where their loyalties lay when they ALL refused to call for O' Donaghue to go - in case he might expose them too for being up to the same antics.

I will be voting for any other alternative.
Given time, I hope soon my family friends and constituency, will be voting for me instead!

What's your constituency, I'd give you a go, as it were.

Biggins

dresden8 wrote: »

What's your constituency, I'd give you a go, as it were.

Louth.

dresden8

Not mine, best of luck anyway.

caseyann

Biggins wrote: »

NOT voting for Labour - FF - FG or the present shower of independents.
They ALL showed where their loyalties lay when they ALL refused to call for O' Donaghue to go - in case he might expose them too for being up to the same antics.

I will be voting for any other alternative.
Given time, I hope soon my family friends and constituency, will be voting for me instead!

Best of luck with that

Liam Byrne

prinz wrote: »

How would they deal with the banks I wonder?

Give the Northern Bank a ring and ask them!

Overheal

I vote for the Badger Vaccinators!

Mario007

prinz wrote: »

I'm holding out for a new party to hit the scene. Hopefully centre-right. What we need are a a few strong-men (or women) tbh.

ya i'm thinking of setting something along those lines up, but it'd take a year to properly form the policies, get people on board and secure some finance. so..

Biggins

Mario007 wrote: »

ya i'm thinking of setting something along those lines up, but it'd take a year to properly form the policies, get people on board and secure some finance. so..

Good to hear that your also thinking that way.
I think now a tide has been turned. A new wave of fresh advocates for REAL change is coming forwards.
Sick of the old boy stuff, sick of the corruption, sick of the lies - the (Irish) times are a changing and I hope the days of FF and their antics will soon become a thing of the past.

Its time to move on!

Mario007

Biggins wrote: »

Good to hear that your also thinking that way.
I think now a tide has been turned. A new wave of fresh advocates for REAL change is coming forwards.
Sick of the old boy stuff, sick of the corruption, sick of the lies - the (Irish) times are a changing and I hope the days of FF and their antics will soon become a thing of the past.

Its time to move on!

i agree. because let's be honest each of the political parties would have led us into this situation, let's just remember the opposition criticizing cowen for not spending enough on the people in his budgets...so they're all pretty much quilty. the only ones that actually worked with the scenario that our growth might end were, it pains me to admit, SF. But they are SF...so i wouldn't like to see them in the government anyway...

oldyouth

prinz wrote: »

Aye they have some form in the area of 'sortin' things out alright. How would they deal with the banks I wonder?

Using traditional methods of course, go in under cover of darkness

fintonie

Mario007 wrote: »

i agree. because let's be honest each of the political parties would have led us into this situation, let's just remember the opposition criticizing cowen for not spending enough on the people in his budgets...so they're all pretty much quilty. the only ones that actually worked with the scenario that our growth might end were, it pains me to admit, SF. But they are SF...so i wouldn't like to see them in the government anyway...

its a pity it pains you, maybe thats what wrong with the country they want change but wont take it.

Amhran Nua

caseyann wrote: »

I wouldn't vote a single one of them we need fresh brand new candidates and wash the whole of the Dáil :mad:

Sign up for us, we'll get the job done.

fintonie wrote: »

its a pity it pains you, maybe thats what wrong with the country they want change but wont take it.

Is SF still pushing a federal socialist republic?

adamshred

I don't know about everyone else but I think Sinn Fein and Labour the only party that really focus on the PEOPLE rather than the profits/taxing/extortion. I'd have a bad bad feeling about voting Fine Gael into power.

prinz

adamshred wrote: »

I don't know about everyone else but I think Sinn Fein and Labour the only party that really focus on the PEOPLE rather than the profits/taxing/extortion. I'd have a bad bad feeling about voting Fine Gael into power.

Have you ever looked at Sinn Féin's taxation policies? :rolleyes:

Liam Byrne

I think I'd have made a different sentence using these words....

Sinn Fein....profits/taxing/extortion

turgon

FG are the only party to get the job done. They are the least worst of a really really bad lot.

Why?

Because what is the most pressing issue facing the Republic of Ireland in 2009? What is the most important thing for us to do since god knows when? Cut spending!

Do you think Labour will cut spending? No because they wont be at the Dail, they will still be at home in bed having a sleep in with the Unions.

Will Sinn Fein cut spending? Ok, why did I even ask that.

So fundamentally, the only party that have a chance of cutting spending is Fine Gael.


@Biggins: I admire your willingness to stand up and be counted, and would obviously support such a move to bring any kind of accountability and honesty into the Dail. Unfortunately Im too young and dont have any community profile to make such a move.

adamshred

prinz wrote: »

Have you ever looked at Sinn Féin's taxation policies? :rolleyes:

Yeah I know they aren't the most fair figures but at least they SAY they care about the people :rolleyes::rolleyes: but what would you rather ; Sinn Fein's taxation policies or BIFFO ? tbh anything is better than what we have at the moment.

prinz

adamshred wrote: »

...tbh anything is better than what we have at the moment.

That's where the problem lies. We have been screwed over enough to settle for just "anything". Anything isn't better than what we have. A national psyche of "anything is better than what we have" leads to populism and fringe crazies getting into positions of power.

adamshred

a pre Mussolini Italy springs to mind.

Sand

Fine Gael, for pretty much the same reasons Turgon mentioned - Of the credible alternatives, theyre the only ones capable of taking a strong line in the national interest against the unions.

Labour has already gone on record as saying there will be no public sector job cuts. Which is either stupid, or dishonest. There are job cuts coming. There are pay cuts coming. Nothing else is possible. "Efficiencies" arent going to dig us out of a 26 billion euro deficit year on year Im afraid.

Theres little doubt Labour will be a component in the next government but hopefully they will be allowed to leave the table when serious adult decisions need to be made about the public sector's sustainability in its current form. The electorate deserves better than glib promises that Labour knows it cant keep. Sure, Labour is trying to steal back the vote it lost to Bertie Ahern but theres ways of doing that without tying yourself into a lie.

turgon

Well actually I recall getting into a pedantic debate with a Labour supporter here on Boards about how in fact they were planning to cut 1000 jobs in the HSE. I thought it was rather funny, that the Labour supporter had that as his idea of public sector reform. Very naive.

oncevotedff

Elba101 wrote: »

Who would you vote for??

Labour, FG, Anyone who isn't FF, SF or the Greens in alphabethical order.

irish_bob

seeing that fine gael are afraid to be the party they started out as , we need a new conservative party in this country , unfortunatley , thier is hardly enough time before the next election to get one up and running and since most people still vote along family lines , they probabley wouldnt go anywhere

irish_bob

turgon wrote: »

FG are the only party to get the job done. They are the least worst of a really really bad lot.

Why?

Because what is the most pressing issue facing the Republic of Ireland in 2009? What is the most important thing for us to do since god knows when? Cut spending!

Do you think Labour will cut spending? No because they wont be at the Dail, they will still be at home in bed having a sleep in with the Unions.

Will Sinn Fein cut spending? Ok, why did I even ask that.

So fundamentally, the only party that have a chance of cutting spending is Fine Gael.


@Biggins: I admire your willingness to stand up and be counted, and would obviously support such a move to bring any kind of accountability and honesty into the Dail. Unfortunately Im too young and dont have any community profile to make such a move.

fine gael need to ditch kenny , he is what causes swing voters to think twice about voting for the party , i would like to see leo varadakar as leader but i realise he lacks the common touch which is so important in ireland , kenny is too much of a populist centrist anyway , he has been wishy washy on public sector reform , we need a right wing leader ( by irish standards anyhow) to make the descisions that need to be made , any goverment involving labour will be no better than what is presently there , no party can afford to turn thier back on thier base and the public sector is labour,s base , plus gilmore is very left compared to thier previous two leaders

fine gael can secure an overall majority and form a goverment without labour but not while kenny is leader

Biggins

I've lost all faith in Labour and FG as much as I have in FF.
Why - for many reasons but the latests one was plain for all to see.

They simply refused to call for the resignation of Mr Donaghue.
The fear of themselves being exposed along with others ("pot calling the kettle back") in the Dail re-enforces for me, the fact that they are now on par in complicity, mischevious and two faced as those that are presently just about clinging onto the reins of power by their fingertips and by hook and crook.

For that reason alone - that is why we need a new clear cut democratic, more accountable, more transparent (no ifs, no buts) party in this country.
Should one appear before I manage to start my own, I will in a flash vote for it and give it my whole hearted support.
I have had high hopes for one recently but I have been let down - they like many before himmed and hawed, unanswering and dodging a question repeated put to them by many.
So my search for a peaceful, democratic, non-religious based alternative goes on in the meanwhile.

Till I find one (and I'm not holding my breath), I shall continue with my own efforts.

My name is URL

Biggins wrote: »

I've lost all faith in Labour and FG as much as I have in FF.
Why - for many reasons but the latests one was plain for all to see.

They've all melded into one insufferable shower of plastic bags over the last few years, imo

Biggins

My name is URL wrote: »

They've all melded into one insufferable shower of plastic bags over the last few years, imo

Yep, that about sums them up.
The sad part is, that bag is now smothering the rest of the country, hindering rather than helping, their efforts to survive!

Mario007

turgon wrote: »

FG are the only party to get the job done. They are the least worst of a really really bad lot.

Why?

Because what is the most pressing issue facing the Republic of Ireland in 2009? What is the most important thing for us to do since god knows when? Cut spending!

Do you think Labour will cut spending? No because they wont be at the Dail, they will still be at home in bed having a sleep in with the Unions.

Will Sinn Fein cut spending? Ok, why did I even ask that.

So fundamentally, the only party that have a chance of cutting spending is Fine Gael.


@Biggins: I admire your willingness to stand up and be counted, and would obviously support such a move to bring any kind of accountability and honesty into the Dail. Unfortunately Im too young and dont have any community profile to make such a move.

i'm in YFG so i should be applauding you there, but FF are planning to cut the spending in the next budget by around 4bn and FG are criticizing them for it...thats why i think they're all incompetent really and just want to use every opportunity to gain more votes(by 'they' i mean all the political parties)

squod

Malty_T wrote: »

The green's ain't so bad

:eek:

ninty9er

Biggins wrote: »

Yea, they fall under the category of "The Whole Country."

Again, for anyone who has been hiding under a stone: 1.8 million of us still have and continue to get jobs. We have less money in our pockets, but assuming The Whole Country is angry is just delusional.

fair enough I'm a FF member, but I know plenty of other's who aren't that would happily return bothe Serving FF TDs down this way. That said they'd also throw preferences to Labour and FG and probably nowhere else.

The liklihood of the President consenting to a dissolution is probably low also. Elections are an expensive business and it would not be in the financial interest of the exchequer to hold one anymore than shelling out €204 a week for the dole is. There ain't gonna be an election round here any time soon as far as I'm concerned.

Biggins

ninty9er wrote: »

Again, for anyone who has been hiding under a stone: 1.8 million of us still have and continue to get jobs. We have less money in our pockets, but assuming The Whole Country is angry is just delusional...

...but they are. Right, they might not all be angry about the same thing, degree or issue but they are angry at one aspect of the antics/ineffectiveness/complacently/etc of FF in power, one way or another.
And that is the crux of the matter. The source of their anger is the clearly ineffectual FF shower (for what ever reason) as the root of all!
...And perhaps the Greens too!