To Mr. Ganley

Sam Vimes · 03-10-2009 12:44pm #1

Could you kindly piss off now please?

poncho000 · 03-10-2009 12:46pm

ha....

Inquitus · 03-10-2009 12:46pm

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Could you kindly piss off now please?

Hear hear!

Aidan1 · 03-10-2009 12:47pm

Hey, that's not fair!

I've been looking forward to posting exactly that message for over 18 months, and I'm beaten to it by a few minutes.

To be fair, I think the only question is whether Mr Ganley will run as an independant or as Libertas in the next GE. But for now, time to celebrate.

getcover · 03-10-2009 12:47pm

and for good this time, we don't need anymore "changes of mind"

Sam Vimes · 03-10-2009 12:48pm

Aidan1 wrote: »

Hey, that's not fair!

I've been looking forward to posting exactly that message for over 18 months, and I'm beaten to it by a few minutes.

Daftendirekt · 03-10-2009 12:48pm

And take Nigel Farage with you!

getonyourboots · 03-10-2009 12:49pm

Only for him providing some intelligent debate on the issue no one would. Just a pity the Irish people didn't listen to him.

Dinner · 03-10-2009 12:51pm

Daftendirekt wrote: »

And take Nigel Farage with you!

Might send Nig a thank you email for all his hard work for the yes campaign in te run up to the vote.

Sam Vimes · 03-10-2009 12:51pm

getonyourboots wrote: »

Only for him providing some intelligent debate on the issue no one would. Just a pity the Irish people didn't listen to him.

What's a pity is that you still don't realise that everything he said was a lie to further his own agenda. This isn't my opinion, the man was lying. The most blatant one I saw was that a no vote keeps our commissioner and a yes vote doesn't. Even the most basic knowledge of the issues would show that's not true. He was depending on the people not having that basic knowledge as he was last time

Min · 03-10-2009 12:53pm

Is this part of wanting to silence people you don't agree with?

USE · 03-10-2009 12:54pm

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Could you kindly piss off now please?

Meet me at the bar. You deserve a pint of beer for that

Daftendirekt wrote: »

And take Nigel Farage with you!

One here also

Min · 03-10-2009 12:54pm

Sam Vimes wrote: »

What's a pity is that you still don't realise that everything he said was a lie to further his own agenda

Yes for jobs.....where are these jobs that are promised?

Nothing in the treaty that a yes vote brings jobs.

Yes won by scare tactics.

Rb · 03-10-2009 12:54pm

And don't let the door hit you in the ass, Mr.Ganley, we don't want to give you a "reason" to re-enter the room.

ynotdu · 03-10-2009 12:55pm

Actually Declan Ganly gave a very magnanimous message of congratulations to Taoiseach Brian Cowen.Same could not be said about the UKIP representive.

Declan Ganly also added that He is 'leaving'the political scene AGAIN;)

He declared his respect to the electorate by saying:

"The people have spoken!"The Bastards!

Robbo · 03-10-2009 12:55pm

He's best off aiming a little lower and closer to his roots. When's the next church roof committee election in Watford?

TheSpecialOne · 03-10-2009 12:56pm

The man is the only person who stood up to the "elite"...he offered biffo the chance to debate but the leader of our country wouldn't!let's hope ye all get yere job's back because that is what we have just voted for isn't it?!More of a chance of ganley being elected Eu President than Lisbon bringing in 1 job.

getonyourboots · 03-10-2009 12:57pm

Ah yes, Greedy Paddy voting with his pocket again. The irony is this treaty wont create a single job or in any way lead to economic recovery.

Sam Vimes · 03-10-2009 12:58pm

Min wrote: »

Yes for jobs.....where are these jobs that are promised?

Nothing in the treaty that a yes vote brings jobs.

Yes won by scare tactics.

Nothing in the treaty calls for a general election if it's rejected either and yet people voted no for that reason. Everyone who knows anything about the economy agrees that a yes vote will help the economy. The only people that can't see that it will help are those who don't want the treaty to pass for some other reason, ie those who are biased against seeing it

Sam Vimes · 03-10-2009 12:59pm

TheSpecialOne wrote: »

The man is the only person who stood up to the "elite"...he offered biffo the chance to debate but the leader of our country wouldn't!let's hope ye all get yere job's back because that is what we have just voted for isn't it?!More of a chance of ganley being elected Eu President than Lisbon bringing in 1 job.

He lied and lied and lied and lied and lied. The man is a snake and I hope to never hear his name again

meditraitor · 03-10-2009 1:00pm

getonyourboots wrote: »

Ah yes, Greedy Paddy voting with his pocket again. The irony is this treaty wont create a single job or in any way lead to economic recovery.

Somebody has to take the posters down

Job #1

So your wrong there boss;)

themont85 · 03-10-2009 1:00pm

Min wrote: »

Yes for jobs.....where are these jobs that are promised?

Nothing in the treaty that a yes vote brings jobs.

Yes won by scare tactics.

And Lisbon 1-abortion, conscription ect wasn't scare tactics?

I never saw jobs promised, anywhere. Even if they were its a tad optimistic for them to be created before the offical result is ratified.

I'm sick of hearing no people saying about these 'Yes to jobs' posters. Only an idiot would think that Lisbon directly created jobs. But a 'no' to Europe would have harmed jobs. 'Yes to job' is in the context of an overall 'Yes to the EU' which has created jobs in this country.

dloob · 03-10-2009 1:01pm

TheSpecialOne wrote: »

The man is the only person who stood up to the "elite"...he offered biffo the chance to debate but the leader of our country wouldn't!let's hope ye all get yere job's back because that is what we have just voted for isn't it?!More of a chance of ganley being elected Eu President than Lisbon bringing in 1 job.

Why does the leader of the country have to debate with every loudmouth with deep pockets?

fictionaire · 03-10-2009 1:01pm

In fairness, don't you think he made this dramatic production all the more interesting?

meditraitor · 03-10-2009 1:03pm

The only way is up now boys, Lisbon is out of the way so lets get down to the real business at hand..

Getting rid of FF and greens (yellow more like it) and getting this economy back on track....

We have a great country with great people so it shouldnt be to hard

TheSpecialOne · 03-10-2009 1:10pm

dloob wrote: »

Why does the leader of the country have to debate with every loudmouth with deep pockets?

Because if this treaty is as vital to our recovery as cowen and the others liars stated then he should go on air and rip gannley to shred's...might have been the other way round if it happened doh

fifth · 03-10-2009 1:12pm

Goodbye

Good Riddance

All you did was waste time and money. You're not a politician, now f*ck off.

Regards,
Ireland

Sparks · 03-10-2009 1:13pm

If he is going to piss off, could he please take the other politicians with him? I'm sick of all of them, not just one of them.

dloob · 03-10-2009 1:14pm

getonyourboots wrote: »

Only for him providing some intelligent debate on the issue no one would. Just a pity the Irish people didn't listen to him.

Yeah what was it again

"Irish Democracy 1916 - 2009"
"European Democracy 1945 - 2009"
"The only job it will save is his"

Intellegent debate getting to the heart of the issues in the treaty there all right.

dloob · 03-10-2009 1:15pm

getonyourboots wrote: »

Ah yes, Greedy Paddy voting with his pocket again. The irony is this treaty wont create a single job or in any way lead to economic recovery.

Wouldn't you be more worried about the forced abortions and euthansia starting on monday.

Max Power1 · 03-10-2009 1:17pm

dloob wrote: »

Why does the leader of the country have to debate with every loudmouth with deep pockets?

its called freedom of speech?

Min · 03-10-2009 1:18pm

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Nothing in the treaty calls for a general election if it's rejected either and yet people voted no for that reason. Everyone who knows anything about the economy agrees that a yes vote will help the economy. The only people that can't see that it will help are those who don't want the treaty to pass for some other reason, ie those who are biased against seeing it

You believe Ryanair were campaigning because they think the treaty is good for Ireland?
Please EU transport commissioner, I flew you arounf Ireland, spent €500,000 on the yes campaign, where is my Aer Lingus takeover documents, give the government in Dublin a hurry up........

Intel, please EU commissioner for competition, we spent a load of money on that treaty you wanted ratified now how much will our €1 billion plus fine be reduced by?

Jobs.....it is self interest for these big companies....they would have gone nowhere, Ireland is a very profitable place for them with or without Lisbon.

Unless you think the EU would have done something negative to Ireland.....

cornbb · 03-10-2009 1:19pm

He's claiming that the Yes vote was an endorsement of Cowen's leadership. He's still claiming that the Yes side were lying and that he was telling the truth. You know what, I think he actually believes all the bullsh*t that he's spouting. He is so bitter and ungracious, its unreal.

Thankfully I think most people recognise him for the slimeball he is, so any political ambitions he has will be doomed to failure.

dloob · 03-10-2009 1:20pm

Max Power1 wrote: »

its called freedom of speech?

He's free to say what he wants, the leader of the country doesn't have to have a public debate with him.
Not that we have free speech in this country anyway what with the blasphemy laws and all.

fictionaire · 03-10-2009 1:22pm

dloob wrote: »

Yeah what was it again

"Irish Democracy 1916 - 2009"
"European Democracy 1945 - 2009"
"The only job it will save is his"

Intellegent debate getting to the heart of the issues in the treaty there all right.

Don't you have a television or a radio? Surely you saw or heard him debating?
Didn't he quote the treaty? Did you check the references before voting?

Hehe this is classic stuff. Lets shoot another messenger!!
Poor old Joe Higgins I think is up next?

Max Power1 · 03-10-2009 1:24pm

dloob wrote: »

He's free to say what he wants, the leader of the country doesn't have to have a public debate with him.
Not that we have free speech in this country anyway what with the blasphemy laws and all.

he was hardly frogmarched and forced to debate? It was a political decision by the (hopefully soon to be ex) Taoiseach.

And the blasphemy law (which I dont agree with btw) is ridiculous and the governemnt should be ashamed in these days of logical thinking toi be going back to the old days of church ruling state and society

Rb · 03-10-2009 1:24pm

Oh and Mr.Ganley, please take that miserable rag Patricia McKenna with you, she's just an embarrassment at this stage.

meglome · 03-10-2009 1:25pm

TheSpecialOne wrote: »

The man is the only person who stood up to the "elite"...he offered biffo the chance to debate but the leader of our country wouldn't!let's hope ye all get yere job's back because that is what we have just voted for isn't it?!More of a chance of ganley being elected Eu President than Lisbon bringing in 1 job.

Who the hell are these elites?

And there is no role of EU president, it doesn't exist nor will it. I think you mean the role of President of the European Council.

Ganley told lie after lie, all of which are easily provable. So if the person you wanted to fight these 'elites' is the man with numerous connections to the US military who has a serious problem with the truth then I really feel sorry for you.

odoylerulez · 03-10-2009 1:25pm

I'll say one thing for Ganley. At least he accepts defeat with dignity.. and therein lies the difference.

Min · 03-10-2009 1:26pm

themont85 wrote: »

And Lisbon 1-abortion, conscription ect wasn't scare tactics?

I never saw jobs promised, anywhere. Even if they were its a tad optimistic for them to be created before the offical result is ratified.

I'm sick of hearing no people saying about these 'Yes to jobs' posters. Only an idiot would think that Lisbon directly created jobs. But a 'no' to Europe would have harmed jobs. 'Yes to job' is in the context of an overall 'Yes to the EU' which has created jobs in this country.

Why did the government need guarantees, why did the EU grant a commissioner for everyone in the audience.....
If there was no risk there would be no need for legal guarantees.

USE · 03-10-2009 1:27pm

UK Independence Party leader Nigel Farage, who entered the Irish debate calling for a No vote, compared the Lisbon Treaty referendum with a corrupt election in Zimbabwe or Afghanistan.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1003/breaking34.htm

Nigel Farage compares Ireland to Zimbabwe. To get defeated is one. But to get defeated and then to discredit yourself totally is another. Why not just to shut the duck up, Nigel.

Sam Vimes · 03-10-2009 1:30pm

Min wrote: »

You believe Ryanair were campaigning because they think the treaty is good for Ireland?
Please EU transport commissioner, I flew you arounf Ireland, spent €500,000 on the yes campaign, where is my Aer Lingus takeover documents, give the government in Dublin a hurry up........

Intel, please EU commissioner for competition, we spent a load of money on that treaty you wanted ratified now how much will our €1 billion plus fine be reduced by?

Yes you can pick out one or two organisations that had their own interests at heart but not all of them, not the 91% of economists who agreed for instance

Min wrote: »

Jobs.....it is self interest for these big companies....they would have gone nowhere, Ireland is a very profitable place for them with or without Lisbon.

It boggles my mind that so many people can see no connection between these companies getting things that are in their interests and more jobs being created. No one ever said they would pull out, they said it would become more difficult to secure foreign direct investment

Min wrote: »

Unless you think the EU would have done something negative to Ireland.....

No I don't. A yes creates confidence which fuels recovery and a no creates uncertainty which fuels recessions. Simple as that

TheSpecialOne · 03-10-2009 1:30pm

USE wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/1003/breaking34.htm

Nigel Farage compares Ireland to Zimbabwe. To get defeated is one. But to get defeated and then to discredit yourself totally is another. Why not just to shut the duck up, Nigel.

In Fairness to him we have similar Economys...but thats about it we have to respect this vote but i have very very serious concerns about it..i don't know how jobs will come out of lisbon.It's all about cost's not This treaty

ynotdu · 03-10-2009 1:30pm

dloob wrote: »

He's free to say what he wants, the leader of the country doesn't have to have a public debate with him.
Not that we have free speech in this country anyway what with the blasphemy laws and all.

Just feel lucky that criticising FF was not written into the Blasphemy laws:D

(now if only Dev had thought of it:))

fictionaire · 03-10-2009 1:31pm

meglome wrote: »

Who the hell are these elites?

And there is no role of EU president, it doesn't exist nor will it. I think you mean the role of President of the European Council.

Ganley told lie after lie, all of which are easily provable. So if the person you wanted to fight these 'elites' is the man with numerous connections to the US military who has a serious problem with the truth then I really feel sorry for you.

Do you write for the Irish Times or are you just repeating what you've heard?

Sam Vimes · 03-10-2009 1:32pm

fictionaire wrote: »

Don't you have a television or a radio? Surely you saw or heard him debating?
Didn't he quote the treaty? Did you check the references before voting?

Hehe this is classic stuff. Lets shoot another messenger!!
Poor old Joe Higgins I think is up next?

Both himself and Higgins quoted the parts of the treaty that made it appear to say what they were saying but invariably left out the parts that showed that it didn't actually mean what they were saying.

dloob · 03-10-2009 1:32pm

fictionaire wrote: »

Don't you have a television or a radio? Surely you saw or heard him debating?
Didn't he quote the treaty? Did you check the references before voting?

Hehe this is classic stuff. Lets shoot another messenger!!
Poor old Joe Higgins I think is up next?

Well those were his posters. Yes I did hear him on the radio.
I can remember what he was he was going on about, general this will be bad for Ireland we'll lose influence I'm not funded by hedge funds stuff.
I don't pay much attention to what he says.
As for joe well lets not mention changed texts on websites shall we.

Mad_Max · 03-10-2009 1:33pm

Ganley is only annoying. He isn't annoying and in control of the country.

I would much rather see the back of Cowen and FF to be honest.

Sam Vimes · 03-10-2009 1:33pm

Min wrote: »

Why did the government need guarantees, why did the EU grant a commissioner for everyone in the audience.....
If there was no risk there would be no need for legal guarantees.

We needed guarantees because the Irish people were lied to and we believed them. The guarantees were meant to guarantee that the lies were lies and we still had people calling them "so called guarantees" so they could spread the same lies

rugbyman · 03-10-2009 1:33pm

Sam Vines, i admire virtually all that I have read of yours. The opening remark of this thread does not fit in with my opinion of you.

I have not read every bit of this thread but i note you comment that he was lying about one or two points. he was indeed pushing it a bit on stuff that he thought the electorate might like to hear. he is a capable fellow with quite a bit to offer.

Regards, Rugbyman

regards

Sam Vimes · 03-10-2009 1:34pm

fictionaire wrote: »

Do you write for the Irish Times or are you just repeating what you've heard?

IN fact he's telling the truth....

To Mr. Ganley

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