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Observations of a swing voter

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    #32
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    Sleipnir wrote: »
    Correct me if I'm wrong (please, I'll be voting later on!) but I thought we would keep our Commissioner if the treaty is not ratified anyway?

    Not so. Under Nice, the number of commissioners has to be reduced. There would be an Irish commissioner some of the time, but there would also be times when it is, in effect, Ireland's turn to stand aside and not nominate a commissioner.

    A quibble: it's never "our" commissioner; it's a commissioner nominated or proposed by our government, but who is bound to act as a European commissioner.


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    #33
    moondogspot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 113 ✭✭moondogspot


    marco_polo wrote: »
    Having seen the gap between what is actually in the treaty and what you think is, that is not overtly surprising.

    You're a smart man in your own mind..that's about it though.;)


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    #34
    Tarobot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Tarobot


    moondogspot wrote: »
    In your opinion that is. I personally think it's kissing democracy goodbye.
    Um..I don't see how.
    Sleipnir wrote: »
    Correct me if I'm wrong (please, I'll be voting later on!) but I thought we would keep our Commissioner if the treaty is not ratified anyway?
    No. Under Nice rules, the Commission has to be made up of less than 27 Commissioners.


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    #35
    smokingman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,738 ✭✭✭smokingman


    Have to agree with the OP, if anyone was undecided, any research no matter how tiny would expose the lies we were told this time and last.


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    #36
    poochiem
    Registered Users Posts: 690 ✭✭✭poochiem


    I'm voting Yes and I'd like to say that's largely due to the well argued threads and the information from a couple of the more balanced moderators and contributors like Scofflaw and Sam Vimes.

    It is unfortunate that many of you are so bloody aggressive though - I know this is a bit glasscock, as they say, but time and time again some undecided or no voter would ask a legitimate question and the immediate response is 'Lie' followed by - well you all know what I'm talking about. Just because these kind of forums are anonymous doesn't mean you should carry on other than you would trying to explain something to a friend in a pub.

    Moderate yourselves and stop being so damned self-righteous, you win nobody over that way.

    Thanks for the info and the advice and keep up the good boarding (some of you).

    Paul


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    #37
    sceptre
    Registered Users Posts: 19,608 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »
    Kick the governments ass at the next election, vote on the Lisbon Treaty today.

    PS: 'I just cant make a decision, like an ass between two haystacks.' is the best simile I've ever read on boards.
    I haven't offered an opinion on the Treaty for digestion but I'm definitely in favour of kicking the government's ass at the next election.

    Pro or con, I'd agree with the above.


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    #38
    ixtlan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,209 ✭✭✭ixtlan


    metrovelvet wrote: »
    I do think that Ireland needs Europe [although I am still quite pissed off about the new lightbulb regulations coming into effect, that really is ripping the dick out of over regulation]

    Note, that the lightbulbs regulation was pushed by the Irish government (the Greens) and the EUs input was to hold us back in our ban until they had put an EU-wide one into effect.

    On the issue of the double-vote it's worth pointing out that a few months ago the public voted in 12 pro-Lisbon MEPs out of 13, all of whom were in favour of another vote.

    EDIT!!! This campaign is getting to me... 11 pro-Lisbon out of 12!! We did of course drop one MEP...

    Ix


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    #39
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    meglome wrote: »
    It didn't take me long to realise the almost the entire No campaign was based on a lie, or rather many many lies. Many No voters did have valid concerns and I'm not suggesting otherwise. It was just the No campaign itself was a bunch of liars. It really píssed me off, I have a pet hate about liars. Especially ones that are basically lying to my face, it so fúcking disrespectful to people.

    I sure hope more people can see that


    while politicians do lie, the NO campaign has fallen/sunk to a new depth of an abysmal craphole


    yes there are NO posters here who can reason and write well and maybe stop and think quite a good few times, but the majority of the tripe is way over the top

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    #40
    meglome
    Registered Users Posts: 7,980 ✭✭✭meglome


    ixtlan wrote: »
    On the issue of the double-vote it's worth pointing out that a few months ago the public voted in 12 pro-Lisbon MEPs out of 13, all of whom were in favour of another vote.

    Ix

    That's a very good point that people shouldn't forget. There were many more No campaigners who didn't get elected so the people have spoken.
    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    I sure hope more people can see that

    while politicians do lie, the NO campaign has fallen/sunk to a new depth of an abysmal craphole

    Yeah me too. Still an awful lot of lies going around though.


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