Can it get any lower?

meglome

I really do hope these same tactics are not used right back at you No guys at some stage.

Stabshauptmann

I dont get it

ei.sdraob

meglome wrote: »

I really do hope these same tactics are not used right back at you No guys at some stage.

there are hand written posters along them lines on way to Salthill here in Galway and next to Harvest offie by spanish arch

something about NO means NO

My name is URL

wtf

That was obviously done by 1 gobshite.. don't paint everyone with the same brush

and yes it can get lower.. look at the threads been started by ei.sdraob on this forum which have no bearing on anything in the treaty

This forum is beyond a fcuking joke at this stage.. it's simply a medium for slinging shite

nullzero

What are you on about?
Can one badly put together poster written in pencil really cause you that much offence.
I'm sure Declan Ganley had his pencil case out last night putting that one together.
Do you think that "poster" will affect anyones judegment?
And who are these "No guys" you speak of?
Not everyone who is voting No is a knuckle dragging idiot who goes around making stupid claims about the Yes campaign.
These people are your co workers, family friends people you meet on the street. Do you not repsect your fellow Irish persons right to disagree with your views?

nullzero

My name is URL wrote: »

wtf

That was obviously done by 1 gobshite.. don't paint everyone with the same brush

and yes it can get lower.. look at the threads been started by ei.sdraob on this forum which have no bearing on anything in the treaty

This forum is beyond a fcuking joke at this stage.. it's simply a medium for slinging shite

Couldn't agree more.
That person you mentioned has come up with some real stinkers of threads lately, a bit of a bad pill too.

ei.sdraob

nullzero wrote: »

Couldn't agree more.
That person you mentioned has come up with some real stinkers of threads lately, a bit of a bad pill too.

such as? go on

PopeBuckfastXVI

It's the EU politics forum, not all threads need to be about Lisbon.

nullzero

ei.sdraob wrote: »

such as? go on

Ok, since you asked.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055695782

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055692112

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055692112

In fact just look through them all for yourself

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/search.php?searchid=8664782

The bad pill comment came from the first time I met you.
You accussed me of being in favour of human trafficking because I said I would be voting No to Lisbon, which made no sense at all.
You got very personal and I sent you a Private message to let you know how I felt about your misrepresentation of me, the message included some choice language from me as I was so annoyed at what you said.
You then posted the PM in the thread where you had insulted me, obviously expecting everyone to turn on me and support you. It back fired and you were told not to post PM's without permission and report them properly if you felt aggreived at their content.
That is a great example of how childish and ignorant you are, would you not agree?

My name is URL

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

It's the EU politics forum, not all threads need to be about Lisbon.

But they shouldn't all be aimed at discrediting the proponents from each side should they?

It's happening from both sides, not just one

sceptre

I'm sure you good people have all read the forum charter and are aware that insulting other posters is both pretty darned rude and against the the charter eh?

And as PopeBuckfastXVI correctly pointed out this is the permanent EU forum and all threads don't have to involve treaties signed in Portuguese cities.

We still take reported posts so don't be shy about clicking that button when you feel it is warranted. If it isn't warranted, then there's no problem. If it is, it's a problem one of the moderators will happily deal with.

meglome

My name is URL wrote: »

wtf

That was obviously done by 1 gobshite.. don't paint everyone with the same brush

and yes it can get lower.. look at the threads been started by ei.sdraob on this forum which have no bearing on anything in the treaty

This forum is beyond a fcuking joke at this stage.. it's simply a medium for slinging shite

nullzero wrote: »

What are you on about?
Can one badly put together poster written in pencil really cause you that much offence.
I'm sure Declan Ganley had his pencil case out last night putting that one together.

I have seen the worst negative campaigning I have ever seen outside of an American election over Lisbon. The Yes campaign were rubbish but the dirty low tactics of the No campaign have hit new lows IMO. If it was just this poster then I wouldn't even mention it, but it isn't just this poster, pretty much every No poster is a lie or misrepresentation.

nullzero wrote: »

And who are these "No guys" you speak of?

You know those far right and far left groups that strangely are agreeing with each other.

nullzero wrote: »

Not everyone who is voting No is a knuckle dragging idiot who goes around making stupid claims about the Yes campaign.

Not even suggesting it. But if I were supporting a No vote I'd be genuinely disgusted by the tactics used.

nullzero wrote: »

These people are your co workers, family friends people you meet on the street. Do you not repsect your fellow Irish persons right to disagree with your views?

I respect people who don't try to lie to my face.

nullzero wrote: »

Couldn't agree more.
That person you mentioned has come up with some real stinkers of threads lately, a bit of a bad pill too.

Which ones?

ei.sdraob wrote: »

such as? go on

ei.sdraob wrote: »

there are hand written posters along them lines on way to Salthill here in Galway and next to Harvest offie by spanish arch

something about NO means NO

These ones are on Georges Street in Dublin.

meglome

nullzero wrote: »

Ok, since you asked.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055695782

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055692112

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055692112

In fact just look through them all for yourself

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/search.php?searchid=8664782

The bad pill comment came from the first time I met you.
You accussed me of being in favour of human trafficking because I said I would be voting No to Lisbon, which made no sense at all.
You got very personal and I sent you a Private message to let you know how I felt about your misrepresentation of me, the message included some choice language from me as I was so annoyed at what you said.
You then posted the PM in the thread where you had insulted me, obviously expecting everyone to turn on me and support you. It back fired and you were told not to post PM's without permission and report them properly if you felt aggreived at their content.
That is a great example of how childish and ignorant you are, would you not agree?

What's wrong with those threads exactly? Do they break the forum rules in some way or is it you just don't like them?

PopeBuckfastXVI

nullzero wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055692112

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055692112

So good you named it twice...

ei.sdraob

meglome wrote: »

What's wrong with those threads exactly? Do they break the forum rules in some way or is it you just don't like them?

they expose some of the aspects of NO campaign for a terrible jokes that they are

apparently its wrong to point out clear and obvious deception and bull**** being generated by the NO campaign

nullzero

meglome wrote: »

What's wrong with those threads exactly? Do they break the forum rules in some way or is it you just don't like them?

They don't break any rules.
They're just not very interesting and generally are written in a "Oh my god, these people feel thay can disagree with the Yes campaign" style.
Generally the replies are just the same people who agree with the author surprisingly agreeing with him some more.
Not all No voters are members of Coir and worship Declan Ganley, which seems to be the idea some people here have.
I'm just sick of "Look at what the No side are up to now" threads the content of which is usually tiresome and repetitive.

My name is URL

ei.sdraob wrote: »

they expose some of the aspects of NO campaign for a terrible jokes that they are

apparently its wrong to point out clear and obvious deception and bull**** being generated by the NO campaign

Just the NO campaign.. seriously?

Has the Yes campaign not generated any material that is blatantly false or intended to scare people onto side?

nullzero

ei.sdraob wrote: »

they expose some of the aspects of NO campaign for a terrible jokes that they are

apparently its wrong to point out clear and obvious deception and bull**** being generated by the NO campaign

As I have mentioned before countless times, and it's obvious to everyone in the country, there are lies and bull**** tactics on both sides. You just disagree with the No side so you choose not to aknowledge the Yes side bull**** which just makes you look ignorant and blinkered.
I'm a No voter but I can hand on heart say that a lot of No propaganda is based on lies, just like the Yes campaign.

ei.sdraob

My name is URL wrote: »

Just the NO campaign.. seriously?

Has the Yes campaign not generated any material that is blatantly false or intended to scare people onto side?

Nowhere near as bad as the NO campaign's lies about:

* Abortion
* Conscription
* Turkey
* Euthanasia
* Peadophilia :eek:
* Minimum wage
* Fisheries

i can go on and on

PopeBuckfastXVI

nullzero wrote: »

I'm just sick of "Look at what the No side are up to now" threads the content of which is usually tiresome and repetitive.

Direct your ire at the people doing the things ei.sdroab is posting about. If they ain't doin' it, he ain't postin' it...

nullzero

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

Direct your ire at the people doing the things ei.sdroab is posting about. If they ain't doin' it, he ain't postin' it...

Is ei.sdraob some sort of crusader for the rights of the Yes campaign and its supporters?
Fighting the crime of disagreeing with the Irish political establishment.
What a guy, now you put it like that I see him in a completely different light,l he's a hero.

Euro_Kraut

My name is URL wrote: »

That was obviously done by 1 gobshite.. don't paint everyone with the same brush

Who is tarring you all with the same brush?

Most NO voters are very embarrassed by some of the 'loons' they find themselves sharing the debate with. The reasonable NO voters should take every opportunity to distance themselves from some of the nonsense we hear from Coir, UKIP and other fringe groups.

ei.sdraob

nullzero wrote: »

Is ei.sdraob some sort of crusader for the rights of the Yes campaign and its supporters?
Fighting the crime of disagreeing with the Irish political establishment.
What a guy, now you put it like that I see him in a completely different light,l he's a hero.

im no crusader

but judging by your attacks against me

you think you are one

nullzero

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Nowhere near as bad as the NO campaign's lies about:

* Abortion
* Conscription
* Turkey
* Euthanasia
* Peadophilia :eek:
* Minimum wage
* Fisheries

i can go on and on

Where do you get this tripe from?
Abortion hasn't been used as a credible argument against Lisbon, nor has conscription or Turkey becomeing an EU member state.
As for paedophilia? Where exactly does that figure in the Lisbon debate?
You're a panic merchant if ever I saw one.
There are lies on both sides, big stinking whoppers.

nullzero

ei.sdraob wrote: »

im no crusader

but judging by your attacks against me

you think you are one

I never thought you were.
I was quite obviously being sarcastic.
No one has done more for the No vote on boards than you.
You make Yes voters look ignorant and stupid, congrats.

PopeBuckfastXVI

This is becoming a personal attack, posts reported, nullzero I suggest you do the same to any posts you object to.

Sam Vimes

nullzero wrote: »

Where do you get this tripe from?
Abortion hasn't been used as a credible argument against Lisbon, nor has conscription or Turkey becomeing an EU member state.

None of them are credible but they've all been used.

nullzero wrote: »

As for paedophilia? Where exactly does that figure in the Lisbon debate?

It doesn't but someone said it here last week.

nullzero wrote: »

You're a panic merchant if ever I saw one.
There are lies on both sides, big stinking whoppers.

What are the lies on the yes side? Bear in mind that only people on the no side talk about us getting kicked out of the EU. See here for some more whoppers btw:

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=62311612&postcount=64

ei.sdraob

nullzero wrote: »

Where do you get this tripe from?
Abortion hasn't been used as a credible argument against Lisbon

doesnt stop Coir going on about it

nullzero wrote: »

nor has conscription or Turkey becomeing an EU member state.

see UKIP leaflet and taxi driver thread

nullzero wrote: »

As for paedophilia? Where exactly does that figure in the Lisbon debate?

I dont know! ask your fellow NO campaigner @noodledog who brought it up

nullzero wrote: »

You're a panic merchant if ever I saw one.

another personal attack, maybe you should address the NO guy who keeps claiming Lisbon would introduce death penalty (yet another stinking lie)

nullzero wrote: »

There are lies on both sides, big stinking whoppers.

except the ones on the NO side smell very rotten


/

ixtlan

nullzero wrote: »

Abortion hasn't been used as a credible argument against Lisbon,

Hmmm. I was canvassing in Cork city centre last weekend.

On guy said "They'll be letting us hang ourselves and bringing in abortion".

He was not joking. He was very very very angry, and obviously felt that I was a servant of Satan.

I tried to explain things to him and he just strode away.

I have to say it made me very depressed. There are points we can argue about as regards Lisbon, primarily whether the pooling of sovereignty is a net gain or loss to Ireland, but what can any of us do about a man such as this? He will not listen.

So, abortion and euthanisia are being used as arguments by Coir and others, and a certain percentage of people do think they are credible. Last time this percentage was likely enough to swing the vote.

ix.

amacachi

Whether "credible" or not the euthanasia, abortion and minimum wage things have worked to a disturbingly large degree.

bonkey

PopeBuckfastXVI wrote: »

This is becoming a personal attack, posts reported, nullzero I suggest you do the same to any posts you object to.

I agree with the sentiment, but this post isn't helping either. No back-seat modding, thanks.

Report posts, and leave it at that.

If you feel the need to give a fellow poster advice on what they should do, there's always PMs.

w00t

ei.sdraob wrote: »

I dont know! ask your fellow NO campaigner @noodledog who brought it up


/

Thats a no voter who posted on an Internet Bulletin Board. Not a campaigner. ell not in my books. Most of the people here are just voters expressing their views, not campaigning. You must be confusing them with you

Stating that the No Campain has suggested that the Lisbon vote has any thing to do with Peadophilia is silly in the extreme, when it was guy some poster on the internetz.

meglome

w00t wrote: »

Thats a no voter who posted on an Internet Bulletin Board. Not a campaigner. ell not in my books. Most of the people here are just voters expressing their views, not campaigning. You must be confusing them with you

Here's the thing though, the Yes campaign on boards.ie use things that are in the treaty as reasons to vote Yes so it's not a surprise those reasons can be very similar. However given that most No campaigners on boards.ie quote things that are not in the treaty it would quite surprising that they are saying very similar things, unless they are communicating with each other, almost like a campaign of some kind.

ei.sdraob

Can it get any lower?

the NO campaign did it again! they sunk to a new low

checkout the new adverts they have here (screenshot attached)

on top right

:eek:

meglome

ei.sdraob wrote: »

the NO campaign did it again! they sunk to a new low

checkout the new adverts they have here (screenshot attached)

on top right

:eek:

There are new No posters going up all over the place. How do fringe groups get the large sums of money for these? And no one try to bull**** me and say it's from the party faithful, they'd all have to be giving 500 Euro each.

My name is URL

meglome wrote: »

Here's the thing though, the Yes campaign on boards.ie use things that are in the treaty as reasons to vote Yes

Firstly, I know I'm par-quoting you and may be reading in to something you didn't mean... but

are you kidding me?

Economical and political repercussions... character assassinations... gross generalisations and smear campaigning about the No 'side'...

...all things that some Yes voters have used to exasperate their reasons for voting that way.

Stepping outside of the context of the treaty as a means of arguing their preferences is in no way exclusive to the No voters on this forum

amacachi

meglome wrote: »

There are new No posters going up all over the place. How do fringe groups get the large sums of money for these? And no one try to bull**** me and say it's from the party faithful, they'd all have to be giving 500 Euro each.

One thing I haven't liked about the recent fall in printing costs is the proliferation of free newspapers, fliers and posters. Those posters cost SFA to get done up.

meglome

My name is URL wrote: »

Firstly, I know I'm par-quoting you and may be reading in to something you didn't mean... but

are you kidding me?

Economical and political repercussions... character assassinations... gross generalisations and smear campaigning about the No 'side'...

...all things that some Yes voters have used to exasperate their reasons for voting that way.

Stepping outside of the context of the treaty as a means of arguing their preferences is in no way exclusive to the No voters on this forum

Here's the thing. The No campaign opened the door on pretty much any dirty trick you can think of, all very American style. I really don't agree with it and would wish it never happened. However I'm a also realist, sometimes in a shít storm you might well have to get your hands dirty. I admit it, I have dirty hands.

w00t

meglome wrote: »

Here's the thing though, the Yes campaign on boards.ie use things that are in the treaty as reasons to vote Yes so it's not a surprise those reasons can be very similar. However given that most No campaigners on boards.ie quote things that are not in the treaty it would quite surprising that they are saying very similar things, unless they are communicating with each other, almost like a campaign of some kind.

There is a Yes campaign on boards.ie? Didn't know that.
Just though most of you were a few people with strong yes views, though some have mentioned affiliations with political "Yes" campaigns.

The bit I have highlighted in bold? You are suggesting that No people might be communicating with each other or how else would they be using similar arguments? And if they are it is therefore a campaign?

I'm embarrassed for you tbh.

meglome

w00t wrote: »

There is a Yes campaign on boards.ie? Didn't know that.
Just though most of you were a few people with strong yes views, though some have mentioned affiliations with political "Yes" campaigns.

I think the Yes people on boards have learned from each other and formed a somewhat unified front in the face of all the bull****. Campaign maybe?

w00t wrote: »

The bit I have highlighted in bold? You are suggesting that No people might be communicating with each other or how else would they be using similar arguments? And if they are it is therefore a campaign?

I'm embarrassed for you tbh.

I'm saying if people use things that are not in the treaty I'd assume that there would be lot of different things. Give the fixation on certain things that are not in the treaty I'd assume some sort of campaign.

w00t wrote: »

I'm embarrassed for you tbh.

No problem.

w00t

meglome wrote: »

I'm saying if people use things that are not in the treaty I'd assume that there would be lot of different things. Give the fixation on certain things that are not in the treaty I'd assume some sort of campaign.

eh no.

That is not what you said. I already quoted what you said. You were quite surprised they were saying similar things. Unless, they were communicating and therefore it was an organised campaign

However given that most No campaigners on boards.ie quote things that are not in the treaty it would quite surprising that they are saying very similar things, unless they are communicating with each other, almost like a campaign of some kind.

I am even more embarrassed for you now.

You know your stuff regarding the Yes info too.

meglome

w00t wrote: »

eh no.

That is not what you said. I already quoted what you said. You were quite surprised they were saying similar things. Unless, they were communicating and therefore it was an organised campaign

However given that most No campaigners on boards.ie quote things that are not in the treaty it would quite surprising that they are saying very similar things, unless they are communicating with each other, almost like a campaign of some kind.

Y-e-s. Indeed. If they are saying similar things that are not in the treaty where are they getting them from. Why do they keep saying them, even after they are shown to be wrong? Maybe it's an organised campaign of some type.

I can try reword that another time if you like, if it's still not clear.

w00t wrote: »

I am even more embarrassed for you now.

No problem. I didn't care the first time either.

w00t

meglome wrote: »

Y-e-s. Indeed. If they are saying similar things that are not in the treaty where are they getting them from. Why do they keep saying them, even after they are shown to be wrong? Maybe it's an organised campaign of some type.

I can try reword that another time if you like, if it's still not clear.



No problem. I didn't care the first time either.

I think they got them off the internet. It seems obvious they are not organised.

No need to re word. You came across well

meglome

w00t wrote: »

I think they got them off the internet. It seems obvious they are not organised.

No need to re word. You came across well

I think you'll find a lot of people at least suspect them of being organised. Too many new sign-ups saying similar things.

w00t

meglome wrote: »

I think you'll find a lot of people at least suspect them of being organised. Too many new sign-ups saying similar things.

Conspiracy forum that way > http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576



Organised? /Fail

meglome

w00t wrote: »

Conspiracy forum that way > http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576



Organised? /Fail

Well I'm sure then it must be just an up-swelling of the general public all signing up to boards.ie with a similar message. Completely random, I'm sure. I've seen the light. Thanks.

nullzero

ei.sdraob wrote: »

doesnt stop Coir going on about it



see UKIP leaflet and taxi driver thread



I dont know! ask your fellow NO campaigner @noodledog who brought it up



another personal attack, maybe you should address the NO guy who keeps claiming Lisbon would introduce death penalty (yet another stinking lie)




except the ones on the NO side smell very rotten


/

I'm not trying to tell anyone how to vote. I'm not saying anyone is stupid for voting one way or the other.
I'm voting No.
That's my choice, I have a right to that choice, I'm not trying to influence anyone else and I'm not in any way affiliated with Coir etc... nor do I agree with their scare tactics and find them distasteful.
I pointed out that there are lies and deciet on both sides and naturally those on opposssing side will consider the crimes of their opposites to be worse than the ones they are perpetuating.
If you could accept that there are people who will be voting No for legitimate reasons as oppossed to being flat earth society members as you seem to be convinced of you might end up not being so highly strung.
Lisbon isn't a personal issue, but when you instantly affiliate people with loony groups based simply on which way they are voting you start to make it personal, something which I have no interest in, even if I have let myself down and retaliated previously I have no intention of rising to your petty mindedness in the future, although that is easier said than done at times.