BrucePoker Live Tour:11th Oct, Dunboyne Castle. €5K Gtd & Free Entry

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BrucePoker.com Live Tour

€5,000 Guaranteed

Free Entry

3,000 starting stack

Extra 1,000 Chip by registering online with a valid BrucePoker account

5,000 Rebuy for €50

7,500 Topup for €50 at the break

24 minute Blinds

Dunboyne Castle, Dunboyne.

Sunday 11th October

Reg @ 2:00pm, Start @ 3:00pm sharp

Cash games & S.T.T's provided

Online registration will open here at 12pm on Tuesday the 6th of October and will close

at 6pm Saturday the 10th of October.

BrucePoker will cover their expenses from any excess recieved from rebuys/topups above the €5000 guaranteed.

This tournament is limited to 250 players.

Winnings will be credited to your online account and can be collected at anytime in any of our Bruce Betting Outlets.

You must give 24 hours notice for collection of winnings.

**New**

Play heads up for free on BrucePoker.com at this event.
Win 2 in a row and we will put $10 into your BrucePoker account
Win 3 in a row and we will put $50 into your BrucePoker account

1. Who is running the event: Bruce Poker.com
2. The purpose of the event: Commercial
3. Date and Location of event: Dunboyne Castle. Sunday 11th October 2009
4. Registration and Start time of event: Reg @ 2:00pm, Start @ 3:00pm sharp
5. Any prerequisites: No
6. How can tickets be purchased & is there a maximum number: On the night or bought through any of the BruceBetting Shops nationwide, capped @ 250
7. Type of Tournament: Texas Holdem R&A
8. Cost of entry and any subsequent rebuys/top-ups etc: Entry is €0 and there is 1 rebuy of 5,000 chips for €50 within 6 levels and 1 topup of 7,500 chips for €50 at the break.
9. Cost of registration: €0
10. % of entry fee/rebuys/top-up going into Prize fund: BrucePoker will cover their expenses from any excess recieved from rebuys/topups above the €5000 guaranteed.
10a. Is any money from the prize fund held back for future tournaments: No
11. Any guaranteed prize pool: €5000
12. Number of re-buys allowed and over what time frame/blind levels: 1 rebuy within 6 blind levels
13. Starting Chips: 3,000 (4,000 by registering online with a valid BrucePoker account)
14. Rebuy and Top-up chip amounts:1 rebuy of 5,000 chips for €50 within 6 levels and 1 topup of 7,500 chips for €50 at the break.
15. Blind levels:
24 Minute Levels:

I will post a complete list of levels in a seperate post within the next 2 days.

16. Blind timeframes: 24 minutes throughout
17. Places being paid: Decided on the night, approx. 10 - 15% of field
18. Are there going to be dealers? This has to be decided. To save money being taken from the prizepool we might only have dealers on the final 2 tables.
19. Will there be a documented list of rules: Yes
20. Is there a tournament director? Yes – Paul Smallwood
21. How are disputes handled - who has final say? TD
22. Are there any cash games offered, if so, please outline the rake for each limit offered:

• Cash games available throughout tournament.

As always a complete list of upcoming events can be found here.

BRUCEPOKER.COM

From Tuesday at 12p.m. we will open registration on BrucePoker.com. The reg form will be found here:

http://www.brucepoker.com/?upcomingevents/dunboyne_castle_11th_october

On the page we will ask for your name, phone number and brucepoker login name. This must be a valid brucepoker login name and match your name to avail of the extra 1,000 chip.

gorrrr72

I will probably play this. I understand you need to cover your expenses if you exceed the guarantee. It's just the wording of it that makes me a bit uneasy. I have played a few of your events and I know your not trying to pull the wool over anyones eyes intentionally but I wouldn't like to see a precedence set for organisers to advertise like this.

It just leaves it open for abuse imo. Maybe if you capped it at 15% to 20% or something it would sit a little easier. Personally I would be planning on spending the €100 pretty much 100% of the time I play something like this.

BRUCEPOKER.COM

gorrrr72 wrote: »

I will probably play this. I understand you need to cover your expenses if you exceed the guarantee. It's just the wording of it that makes me a bit uneasy. I have played a few of your events and I know your not trying to pull the wool over anyones eyes intentionally but I wouldn't like to see a precedence set for organisers to advertise like this.

It just leaves it open for abuse imo. Maybe if you capped it at 15% to 20% or something it would sit a little easier. Personally I would be planning on spending the €100 pretty much 100% of the time I play something like this.

Thanks for the comments gorrrr, the reason we have to word it like this is because decisions have to be made that will effect the prizepool for example : to have dealers for more hands an hour or no dealers for less expenses. We also dont know exactly how many people to expect. We know at this time that interest is very big and we want to be able to hold a large well run tournament and cover our expenses. Dont forget that if the prizepool guarantee isn't reached we will be paying out €5000 and the expenses.

gorrrr72

BRUCEPOKER.COM wrote: »

Thanks for the comments gorrrr, the reason we have to word it like this is because decisions have to be made that will effect the prizepool for example : to have dealers for more hands an hour or no dealers for less expenses. We also dont know exactly how many people to expect. We know at this time that interest is very big and we want to be able to hold a large well run tournament and cover our expenses. Dont forget that if the prizepool guarantee isn't reached we will be paying out €5000 and the expenses.

I know you are taking a big risk guaranteeing a free tourney with a 5k prizepool. And guaranteed prizepools are great for the game so it is appreciated.
It just reminds me of another free tourney a while back for someones birthday that caused a lot of controversy because of the eventual prizepool paid after the expenses were taken out.

You know how some gossipers love the chance to start whispers about poker organizers and I would hate to see that happen as I know you run a tight ship.

Maybe I'm not explaining my thoughts very well, I'm not criticizing I'm trying to put across how a punter might feel about it.

I would prefer to pay a reg fee up front of say €20.

The reason is this: Say you get 100 players and you get 150 rebuys/top ups. Total = 7500 minus 2k expenses (example) so prizepool paid is 5500.

Option 2: 100 players pay €20 reg = 2k.
150 rebuys/top ups = 7500 prizepool paid out.


P.S. I like the idea of online pre reg for the extra 1000 chips. Gives an idea of numbers attending which in turn should prompt more people to attend as long as the list is advertised as it gets bigger.

BRUCEPOKER.COM

gorrrr72 wrote: »

I know you are taking a big risk guaranteeing a free tourney with a 5k prizepool. And guaranteed prizepools are great for the game so it is appreciated.
It just reminds me of another free tourney a while back for someones birthday that caused a lot of controversy because of the eventual prizepool paid after the expenses were taken out.

You know how some gossipers love the chance to start whispers about poker organizers and I would hate to see that happen as I know you run a tight ship.

Maybe I'm not explaining my thoughts very well, I'm not criticizing I'm trying to put across how a punter might feel about it.

I would prefer to pay a reg fee up front of say €20.

The reason is this: Say you get 100 players and you get 150 rebuys/top ups. Total = 7500 minus 2k expenses (example) so prizepool paid is 5500.

Option 2: 100 players pay €20 reg = 2k.
150 rebuys/top ups = 7500 prizepool paid out.


P.S. I like the idea of online pre reg for the extra 1000 chips. Gives an idea of numbers attending which in turn should prompt more people to attend as long as the list is advertised as it gets bigger.

Again thanks for the feedback gorrr and I definitely see where you are coming from. I was actually surprised that it was only yourself who left feedback about this so far. As you know we always listen closely to what the players think about our business and I have given your feedback to the guys running the event. From what I know we are trying this out to see if it works and hope everyone has a good time. If it works we will probably run it as a regular tournament but as with all business ventures we might need to tweak it a bit and thats when the feedback comes in.

We will be posting a list of registered players both here and on BrucePoker.com.

joe o neill

ill be there... just something to think about.. if you charge 20reg in its still a free entry tournament... which means you can have dealers and all the buyins can go into the prizepool.... nobody expects not to pay a reg....this way everything would look a lot more transparent....

Gonzo_Fiend

I would be interested in this but only if there are dealers. €20 is reasonable.

afex

dont think you will get as many runners if this t,ney is a €100 self deal pub game rather than the last bruce t,ney in dunboyne which got 48 runners i think and had dealers.i know dunboyne and voodoo the following week where just shy of the 5k mark but a self deal game will probably fall way short, leave it at €120 including reg and dealers., and i,ll play....self deal and id have no interest.

BRUCEPOKER.COM

Thanks for the comments guys. I have been told that this tournament will run as advertised. We will be 100% transparent and our TD will be happy to speak to any and all players who want to know the details of the amount taken if over €5000 is accumulated on the day.
I will be able to post the amount of dealers that will be at this event on Mionday.

BRUCEPOKER.COM

Bump.

gorrrr72

Any idea how many dealers are lined up for this?

BRUCEPOKER.COM

We have 12 dealers confirmed for Sunday so far.


Registration is now Open.

BRUCEPOKER.COM

I have just been informed this will be 20 min blinds not 24 as stated above.

20 Minute Levels:

25-50

50-100
75-150

100-200

150-300

200-400
--Break-- Change up '25' chips300-600
400-800

500-1000
600-1200

800-1600

1000-2000
1200-2400

1500-3000
--Break--Change up '100' chips

2000-4000

3000-6000

4000-8000

5000-10000

etc. antes to be decided on the day by the tournament director and average stack kept within reason for as long as possible.

This is an official Irish Poker Rankings Event
See here for details.

Alan Carroll AC

joe o neill wrote: »

ill be there... just something to think about.. if you charge 20reg in its still a free entry tournament... which means you can have dealers and all the buyins can go into the prizepool.... nobody expects not to pay a reg....this way everything would look a lot more transparent....

Sure you're everywhere!!..
Do agree with the 20 blips idea..
Transparent poker players/sites.. What will they think of next!!!!!!!:D

tm2204

BRUCEPOKER.COM wrote: »

I have just been informed this will be 20 min blinds not 24 as stated above.

20 Minute Levels:

25-50

50-100
75-150

100-200

150-300

200-400
--Break-- Change up '25' chips300-600
400-800

500-1000
600-1200

800-1600

1000-2000
1200-2400

1500-3000
--Break--Change up '100' chips

2000-4000

3000-6000

4000-8000

5000-10000

etc. antes to be decided on the day by the tournament director and average stack kept within reason for as long as possible.

This is an official Irish Poker Rankings Event
See here for details.

I though Bruce decided to fix on 24 min blinds for all their tournaments going forward. Why the change again?

afex

exactly why all the changing ?
no dealers then dealers and now this...
after the stick you got on here after voodoo would it not be best
to stop doing a rafa benitez and changing things every 5mins at this rate there will be more dealers than players come sunday...

The Clamper

looks like you are a tryer for sure

i will be there, always run a good event Paul

as for quibbles, well you wont ever please everyone, i think its great the way you have the ability to change if you agree with comments, some TD's dont listen to their punters, i.e. sorry but the tourney starts at 1pm, no matter how many times they are asked to have it later, just an example

count me in,

Derek

big_iain

I have to agree with TM2204.

Why change the clock. 24 mins is the perfect timing for a quick low buyin event. You can play poker without a crapshoot developing so quickly.

Why the change?

BRUCEPOKER.COM

tm2204 wrote: »

I though Bruce decided to fix on 24 min blinds for all their tournaments going forward. Why the change again?

Interestis big and this is a 1 day event. We are on 68 registered players after less then a day of registration. The TD made the decision yesterday evening.

BRUCEPOKER.COM

afex wrote: »

exactly why all the changing ?
no dealers then dealers and now this...
after the stick you got on here after voodoo would it not be best
to stop doing a rafa benitez and changing things every 5mins at this rate there will be more dealers than players come sunday...

18. Are there going to be dealers? This has to be decided. To save money being taken from the prizepool we might only have dealers on the final 2 tables.

As explained in the first post our decision on dealers depended on interest in the event and feedback from players. We never said there would be no dealers.
And I explained the blinds change in the post above.

The Clamper

SINCE YOU TEND TO LISTEN TO CRITIQUE ETC

HOW ABOUT A COMPRIMISE POSITION

EXTEND THE LENGTH OF THE BLINDS LATER IN THE EVENT, AVOIDING A CRAP-SHOOT AT THE END, WHICH HAPPENS OH TOO OFTEN IN MANY EVENTS

DEREK

JUST MY TUPPENCE WORTH

BRUCEPOKER.COM

The Clamper wrote: »

SINCE YOU TEND TO LISTEN TO CRITIQUE ETC

HOW ABOUT A COMPRIMISE POSITION

EXTEND THE LENGTH OF THE BLINDS LATER IN THE EVENT, AVOIDING A CRAP-SHOOT AT THE END, WHICH HAPPENS OH TOO OFTEN IN MANY EVENTS

DEREK

JUST MY TUPPENCE WORTH

Thanks Derek. I think it really depends on the turnout on the day but I will pass it forward to the TD.

The Clamper

good point and thank you

presuming you get a decent crowd and want to end the event on the same day, that limits the opportunity to extend the blind duration, understood

Derek

BRUCEPOKER.COM

We already have 114 players registered on BrucePoker.com already for this event. Nearly at halfway the maximum players with 51 hours of registration left.

tensevensuited

BRUCEPOKER.COM wrote: »

We already have 114 players registered on BrucePoker.com already for this event. Nearly at halfway the maximum players with 51 hours of registration left.

looks like smallwood will have to do a bit of work this weekend,just dont let him deal.

super182

me and my friends reg'd online are our seats kept and blinded out if we are a little late or will they be given to others? could be a little late because of a match

gorrrr72

Any update on numbers registered?

BRUCEPOKER.COM

super182 wrote: »

me and my friends reg'd online are our seats kept and blinded out if we are a little late or will they be given to others? could be a little late because of a match

To be fair the starting stacks will be binded for the first 3 levels or 1 hour. After that the stacks will be lost.

BRUCEPOKER.COM

gorrrr72 wrote: »

Any update on numbers registered?

We are now at 140 players registered online.

gorrrr72

BRUCEPOKER.COM wrote: »

We are now at 140 players registered online.

Thanks. I'll be there anyway.

BRUCEPOKER.COM

List of Registered Players
Name: robert chambers
Name: pat kiely
Name: david masterson
Name: gary rogers
Name: evan lester
Name: kennethdunphy
Name: paul jordan
Name: john brown
Name: natasha woods
Name: barry desmond
Name: David Flanagan
Name: glen conroy
Name: Tony Browne
Name: Algirdas Pratuzas
Name: Joe kennedy
Name: alan doyle
Name: Edward Tominaga
Name: Anne MARIE ASHE
Name: Damien mcnevin
Name: paul watts
Name: andrew Day
Name: david lawler
Name: ciaran conboy
Name: peter clancy
Name: Jason Maher
Name: Bernadette O'Keeffe
Name: Liam O'Keeffe
Name: oliver downey
Name: Keith Maguire
Name: Liam O'Keeffe
Name: Ronan Gallagher
Name: Aidan Turley
Name: Emmett Foley
Name: teresa finnegan
Name:Oliver Downey
Name: Istvan Szakacs
Name: Graham O'Shea
Name: jerome hopkins
Name: Ronan Dempsey
Name: Eamon O' Driscoll
Name: derek williams
name: leslie mc lean
Name: Conal Mc Crudden
Name: Robert Neavyn
Name: Gordon Cowan
Name: frank white
Name: darren collins
Name: david gill
Name: Tony Greene
Name: Carol Sheridan
Name: Thomas Sheridan Jr
Name: Tom Sheridan
Name: james henderson
Name: Damien Mc Dermott
Name: Richard Nugent
Name: Robert Gleeson
Name: James Cosgrave
Name: David Francis
Name: Alan Carroll
Name: david doyle
Name: Oliver Scully
Name: ivor path
Name: david sommerfield
Name: paddy o neill
Name: WILLIE-JOHN O'HORA
Name: anthony cox
Name: chris Markey
Name: peadar gaffney
Name: edward kavanagh
Name: will griffith
Name: steven malone
Name: stuart tarleton
Name:Kieran Carroll
Name: jason roberts
Name: Thomas Fagan
Name: Clive Byrne
Name: gary cox
Name: tracy caschera
Name: Keith Mitchell
Name: Adrian Byrne
Name: Maria Gilmore
Name: Anthony Gilmore
Name: Thomas Gilmore
Name: stephen
Name: Rob Fitzgerald
Name: phil baker
Name: David lyness
Name: Tony McLoughlin
Name: jason o brien
Name: Frank Dorman
Name: MARK GROVES
Name: Niall Dowds
Name: jason connolly
Name: Andrew Murphy
Name: james Fleming
Name: john nevin
Name: Paul Bonner
Name: john norris
Name: john nevin
Name: laurence westwood
Name: Andy Chen
Name: stephen fitzgerald
Name: eamonn brown
Name: andrew farrell
Name: leo temple
Name: ger morris
Name: nick bland
Name: Darren Snee
Name: simon foran
Name: karl o dwyer
Name: David Nurney
Name: Karl o dwyer
Name: jing yu
Name: Devon Germaine
Name: cormac murray
Name: Shane O Dwyer
Name: raymond doran
Name: Eddie Kelly
Name: Chris Nally
Name: Kevin McCarrick
Name: peter kenny
Name: eddie kelly
Name: sean mullally
Name: Allan Stevenson
Name: Joseph Ruddy
Name: Nick O'Hara
Name: Fergus Dunne
Name: Dara O'Kearney
Name: Paul Mason
Name: James Muldowney
Name: Carl Murray
Name: Emma Bowden

westlife

BRUCEPOKER.COM wrote: »

List of Registered Players
Name: robert chambers
Name: pat kiely
Name: david masterson
Name: gary rogers
Name: evan lester
Name: kenneth dunphy
Name: paul jordan
Name: john.brown
Name: natasha woods
Name: barry desmond
Name: David Flanagan
Name: glen conroy
Name: Tony Browne
Name: Algirdas Pratuzas
Name: j kennedy
Name: Edward Tominaga
Name: Alan doyle
Name: Anne Marie Ashe
Name: Damien mcnevin
Name: paul watts
Name: andrew
Name: david lawler
Name: ciaran conboy
Name: peter clancy
Name: Jason Maher
Name: Bernadette O'Keeffe
Name: Liam O'Keeffe
Name: oliver downey
Name: Keith Maguire
Name: Liam O'Keeffe
Name: Ronan Gallagher
Name: Aidan Turley
Name: teresa finnegan
Name: Istvan Szakacs
Name: GRAHAM O SHEA
Name: jerome hopkins
Name: Ronan Dempsey
Name: Eamon O' Driscoll
Name: derek williams
Name: leslie mc lean
Name: Conal Mc Crudden
Name: Robert Neavyn
Name: Gordon Cowan
Name: frank white
Name: frank white
Name: darren collins
Name: david gill
Name: Tony Greene
Name: Carol Sheridan
Name: Thomas Sheridan Jr
Name: Tom Sheridan
Name: james henderson
Name: Damien Mc Dermott
Name:Richard Nugent
Name: Robert Gleeson
Name: James Cosgrave
Name: David Francis
Name: Alan Carroll
Name: david doyle
Name: Oliver Scully
Name: ivor path
Name: david doyle
Name: david sommerfield
Name: paddy o neill
Name: WILLIE-JOHN O'HORA
Name: anthony cox
Name: chris
Name: peadar gaffney:
Name: edward kavanagh
Name: will griffith
Name: steven malone
Name: stuart tarleton
Name: jason roberts
Name: tommy fagan
Name: Clive Byrne
Name: gary cox
Name: tracy caschera
Name: Keith Mitchell
Name: Adrian Byrne
Name: Maria Gilmore
Name: Anthony Gilmore
Name: Thomas Gilmore
Name: stephen
Name: Rob Fitzgerald
Name: phil baker
Name: Mr. D lyness
Name: Tony McLoughlin
Name: jason o brien
Name: Frank Dorman
Name: MARK GROVES
Name: Niall Dowds
Name: jason connolly
Name: Andrew Murphy
Name: james
Name: john nevin
Name: Paul Bonner
Name: john norise
Name: laurence westwood
Name: chen
Name: stephen fitzgerald
Name: eamonn brown
Name: andrew farrell
Name: leo temple
Name: ger morris
Name: nick bland
Name: Darren Snee
Name: simon foran
Name: karl o dwyer
Name: David Nurney
Name: Karl o dwyer
Name: jing
Name: devon germaine
Name: cormac murray
Name: Shane O Dwyer
Name: raymond doran
Name: eddie
Name: Chris Nally
Name: Kevin McCarrick
Name: peter kenny
Name: eddie kelly
Name: sean mullally
Name: Allan Stevenson
Name: Chris Fitzgerald
Name: Nick O'Hara
Name: Fergus Dunne
Name: Dara O'Kearney
Name: mel6969

this fella would turn up at the opening of an envelope for those IPR points:mad::P

The Clamper

registering online is one thing, turning up is an alltogether different one

mind you, FREE sounds great, lets have more of that please and less of that other thing

i like the sound of that word, it has a lovely ring to it, Free

free, YES oh how beautiful a word, one of my personal favorites in fact, a close call as to whether its going to be FREE or CASH that comes in 1st place, both have that sound of happiness about them, bringing joy and glad tidings, just like christmas or a newborn child, hmmmmmmm, Free

tasty,

sleep well, make that word the last thing you think of, just before nodding off and then maybe wake up to CASH, imagine having an alarm clock that woke you to the sound of someone riffling CASH, lots of wads of it

what a way to start your day, forget mars bars, its CASH that help you work rest and play

how about taking it all just that one step further along the road to true enlightenment and serenity

here it is,, FREE-CASH,,,,,,now thats enough to start orgasms


oh baby,

BRUCEPOKER.COM

Only 8 hours of reg left guys and 100 seats left. Sounds like a lot but if 40 more reg today and 60 turnup without registering online means all 250 seats will be taken. As clamper said its not like all 250 will turn up but you never know.

big_iain

westlife wrote: »

this fella would turn up at the opening of an envelope for those IPR points:mad::P

I noticed your name on this list also.

BRUCEPOKER.COM

Players
Name: Paul Mason
Name: James Muldowney
Name: Carl Murray
Name: Emma Bowden
Name: Murtagh Ward
Name: phil walsh
Name: keith o'neill
Name: cormac murray
Name: sherman kayer
Name: raymond doran
Name: iain cheyne
Name: oliver downey
Name: Sylvia Gillespie
Name: Samantha Byrne
Name: David Wrafter
Name: Barry Dunphy
Name: james hayden
Name: edmond Flynn
Name: Val Gabriel
Name: gordon hanlon
Name: Bruce Lee
Name: eoin lynch
Name: Conal Mc Crudden
Name: aidan galligan
Name: Mark Byrne
Name: david o rourke
Name: Lee Farrand
Name: william Brown
Name: Darren O' Neill
Name: Michael duffy

BRUCEPOKER.COM

Name: brendan ashe
Name: joe kennedy
Name: Neil Bergin
Name: Micheal Brady
Name: Liam Russell
Name: Mark Baldwin
Name: Juozas Cervinskas
Name: Patricia Stephens
Name: john cregan
Name: Mark Ryan
Name: Colm Murphy
Name: Gavin McNiffe
Name: joe mc donagh
Name: Tommy Ennis
Name: Eamon Regan
Name: tony murphy
Name: Paul dempsey
Name: john baxter
Name: Sinead Constant
Name: darren collins
Name: ronan keegan
Name: Sean Mchugh
Name: Hugo Cafferty
Name: Jaye Renehan

Registration is closed at 182 players. See you all tomorrow

JP Poker

Any updates from this game. Heard it got a great turn-out

NuckChorris1

JP Poker wrote: »

Any updates from this game. Heard it got a great turn-out

158 runners. Great game but didn't hang around to hear payout when I went out in 18th at half ten - 14 being paid tho.

westlife

big_iain wrote: »

I noticed your name on this list also.

true:(

clash79

finished 12th after 9 hours of play got 75 quid where the rebuy and the top up where 50 each they took 3k for expenses :eek: first place was only 1500 only 12 players got paid conclusion a rip off you would get better value for your money in any tournament in any casino in dublin

NuckChorris1

If it had just been €20 per head reg, like before, that wouldn't look as bad as saying 3k. How 1st got €1500 from 5k guaranteed prizepool baffles me tho, I always thought approx 40% went to 1st in most games. Also thought there'd be well over 5k in the prizepool given the turnout - maybe more played the free-stack only than I thought.

ElectraBlue

clash79 wrote: »

finished 12th after 9 hours of play got 75 quid where the rebuy and the top up where 50 each they took 3k for expenses :eek: first place was only 1500 only 12 players got paid conclusion a rip off you would get better value for your money in any tournament in any casino in dublin

Well it is clear in the OP that Bruce Poker will retain any excess above the 5k prizepool...

gazman59

ElectraBlue wrote: »

Well it is clear in the OP that Bruce Poker will retain any excess above the 5k prizepool...

as in anything above 5k they take?? thats a joke

bruce is new c.p.t imo!

venividivici

Who won it??

YULETIRED

1500 1st prize out of a field of 159 in a 50 Euro rebuy? I must be missing something as I didn't read the full thread but is this correct? . Even if only half the field rebuys with no top up it's 7950. How can a fella get 1500 1st prize from that. :eek: bad beat dude.

afex

The OP was clear enough about what was happening on the day in fairness to bruce...
prizepool was €8,050 minus expenses which made it €5k to meet the guarantee plus paul added €250 paying 14 places !!
last minute change 12 places paid
then i go bust in 13th lol

VEGAS NIGHTS

This was a good tournament with a great turn out in a fantastic venue.

When Bruce Poker put a tournament together they have a bigger picture to look at than other tournament organisers because their end-game is to get exposure and get people playing on their online site. This is obviously what led to the free entry.

In princible, this was a good marketing idea which did get the interest of a lot of poker players. Nobody is expecting a game like this to be put on free of charge and understand that this was an expensive event to put on. The €3,000 held back to cover expenses works out at around €18.50 per person which is a fair reg fee given the set up and expenses.

The problem is that there were plenty of people there who didn't pay any rebuy or top up and there were plenty there who only paid a top up. This meant that the people who won prize money ultimately paid the reg fees for all those who paid nothing and those who only paid for a top up.

Bruce Poker have a very agressive marketing and advertising campaign and are not trying to rip people off. They want to put on the best game that they can and keep people happy. As I said... the €3,000 held back for expenses equates to €18.50 per player which is not unreasonable.

As a player I do not expect to play this game for free. Instead of a free entry I would much rather every player pay a €20 reg fee to enter and then leave the prize money alone. That way all the chips in play can be accounted for on the screen and rule out any questions. It'l also lead to a better pay out structure. With free entry and the expenses taken out at the end it basicly means the prize winners pay the reg fee for all those who paid nothing but still had a shot at it.

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NuckChorris1 wrote: »

If it had just been €20 per head reg, like before, that wouldn't look as bad as saying 3k. How 1st got €1500 from 5k guaranteed prizepool baffles me tho, I always thought approx 40% went to 1st in most games. Also thought there'd be well over 5k in the prizepool given the turnout - maybe more played the free-stack only than I thought.

In tournaments with bigger fields, paying 25-30% for 1st prize is pretty common. As Dave says below, there was over €8k collected, but only €5k paid out.

YULETIRED wrote: »

1500 1st prize out of a field of 159 in a 50 Euro rebuy? I must be missing something as I didn't read the full thread but is this correct? . Even if only half the field rebuys with no top up it's 7950. How can a fella get 1500 1st prize from that. :eek: bad beat dude.

There's a good chance a lot of players turned up for the free stack and then didnt bother. Any serious players would probably have got rebuy and top up. Starting with 3k and then being able to pick up 5k (rebuy) and 7.5k (topup) is tasty. What most wouldn't have expected though, is that you were only going to get 15 x buyin for winning a 159 runner event.

afex wrote: »

The OP was clear enough about what was happening on the day in fairness to bruce...
prizepool was €8,050 minus expenses which made it €5k to meet the guarantee plus paul added €250 paying 14 places !!
last minute change 12 places paid
then i go bust in 13th lol

Yeah, thats what was stated in the OP..

BrucePoker will cover their expenses from any excess recieved from rebuys/topups above the €5000 guaranteed.

Only gorrrr72 questioned it at the time, and it was a pretty valid question he asked. IMO this was always going to turn out with a bitter taste when there was no ceiling on the amount Bruce were taking from the prizepool.

I was considering playing this event, but if my money wasn't going into the prizepool, i wasn't interested. A lot ot promoters/companies run their tournaments at a loss, but the publicity that is gained from them pays for it in the long run. Paul has worked really hard, and has always put on a great show running Brucepoker games, but the sort of negativity that this event is bringing is far more damaging than the €3k that was taken from the pricepool.

In the end, the reg was in effect 38% as this is what was taken from the prizepool. Granted, not everybody contributed to a rebuy/top up, but what was taken from the prizepool should have been capped at 15-20% and ran at a loss, as you would expect from any freeroll.

ElectraBlue

To be fair, Bruce Poker could have easily been out of pocket big time in this too...

Unlucky Afex