Taxi Drivers for No - Workers turn against Lisbon

free to prosper

A non-politically aligned group of taxi drivers - across all the taxi organisations, has been formed to get other taxi drivers to campaign against lisbon.

Here is their website: Taxi Drivers for No

Taxi Drivers for No poster:



Their Leaflet:







Taxi Drivers for No initiator and leader is Clem Hackett, a taxi driver from Limerick.

The posters are already out in Dublin, Dundalk and Cork as well as smaller posters in Limerick, Galway, Waterford and the West.

Taximen are a pivotal section of society, with huge influence.

This is showing the government that they mean business.

ei.sdraob

"aligned to the Democratic Alliance campaign group"

tis says down the bottom of the leaflet

who are they?



if i see on of these leaflets/signs on a taxi they can count on not getting any money from me taxi drivers talking politics makes for the most unpleasant of jouneys


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turgon

1. Lisbon gives the EU the power to tax us. (art 311)
2. Gives the EU full control of immigration policy (art 79 and 76) and allows Turkish entry.
3. Halves Ireland’s vote at the EU Council of Ministers
4. EU Court decisions mean lower wages and worse conditions.

1 - not really
2 - Turkey can come in under Nice
3 - The big big Coir lie being spread again
4 - I dont see any proof of this

Anyway, just the same old crap from someone who feels it would be cool to be all "anti-establishment" and on the No side and for some reason they tied this in with them being Taxi drivers. Perhaps if they spent less time making up lies and more on working, their fears of being underpaid might disappear? Just a thought.

thebigcheese22

I think taxi-men should concentrate on not ripping off their remaining customers rather than talking about a legal Treaty that they have no clue about

Daftendirekt

Just a note on article 311, because I was slightly puzzled by this the first time I read it.

The article in question explains that EU will be financed by 'own resources', and that it can establish 'new categories of own resources.' This has been misinterpreted to mean that the EU can force new taxes on member states.

Everybody knows by now, that direct taxation is not an EU competence. But that doesn't necessarily exclude other forms of taxation. So for anyone wondering what the text means by 'own resources', I found this explanation. It seems to generally refer to customs duties on imports from outside the union, and a levy on the VAT base of member states.

And just for funsies, here's the Lisbon article vs the Nice article, from lisbonexposed.org:

Lisbon Text wrote:

article 311 (ex Article 269 TEC) The Union shall provide itself with the means necessary to attain its objectives and carry through its policies. Without prejudice to other revenue, the budget shall be financed wholly from own resources. The Council, acting in accordance with a special legislative procedure, shall unanimously and after consulting the European Parliament adopt a decision laying down the provisions relating to the system of own resources of the Union. In this context it may establish new categories of own resources or abolish an existing category. That decision shall not enter into force until it is approved by the Member States in accordance with their respective constitutional requirements. The Council, acting by means of regulations in accordance with a special legislative procedure, shall lay down implementing measures for the Union's own resources system in so far as this is provided for in the decision adopted on the basis of the third paragraph. The Council shall act after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.

Nice Text wrote:

Article 269 Nice TEC Article 269 Without prejudice to other revenue, the budget shall be financed wholly from own resources. The Council, acting unanimously on a proposal from the Commission and after consulting the European Parliament, shall lay down provisions relating to the system of own resources of the Community, which it shall recommend to the Member States for adoption in accordance with their respective constitutional requirements.

The Lisbon change is basically just a clarification of the rule under Nice.

Scofflaw

thebigcheese22 wrote: »

I think taxi-men should concentrate on not ripping off their remaining customers rather than talking about a legal Treaty that they have no clue about

If I needed any extra motivation to vote Yes, this would certainly supply it.

cordially,
Scofflaw

OldJay

free to prosper wrote: »

Taximen are a pivotal section of society, with huge influence . . .

. . . on rush-hour traffic.

Wheely

One of the worst leaflets on the No side so far. This Clem character obviously has absolutely no idea of anything to do with the Lisbon Treaty. I doubt it'll have much effect.

OldJay

Wheely wrote: »

One of the worst leaflets on the No side so far. This Clem character obviously has absolutely no idea of anything to do with the Lisbon Treaty. I doubt it'll have much effect.

Ever had a cabbie give you their expert views on politics etc while you're stuck in the back seat of said taxi?
Its basically that . . . in paper form. Nothing to worry about really.

ei.sdraob

Justind wrote: »

Ever had a cabbie give you their expert views on politics etc while you're stuck in the back seat of said taxi?
Its basically that . . . in paper form. Nothing to worry about really.

Except this time we would know how to avoid such cabbies

and give my money to someone who concentrates on the job of safely and cheaply getting me from a to b


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thebigcheese22

I love the way the title of the thread is 'Workers turn against Lisbon' when the overwhelming majority of unions in Europe, never mind Ireland, are in favour of the Lisbon Treaty. Of course it's still a conspiracy by business to pass Lisbon... Why would unions pass a Treaty that would supposedly screw their own paymasters?! It's like talking to a wall

marco_polo

Given the overwhelming popularity of taxi drivers, and the deep respect the citizens of this country have for their deep and considered opinions across a wide range of topics. It is hard to see a way back, from this fatal blow, for the yes campaign.

K-9

marco_polo wrote: »

Given the overwhelming popularity of taxi drivers, and the deep respect the citizens of this country have for their deep and considered opinions across a wide range of topics. It is hard to see a way back, from this fatal blow, for the yes campaign.

Ach, I suppose it is rare enough a group does come out against it, so no harm highlighting it.

Funny thread though.

squod

Everyone one here seems excited. Can't say I've met as many yes voters as no voters yet.

ei.sdraob

squod wrote: »

Everyone one here seems excited. Can't say I've met as many yes voters as no voters yet.

would that be because some No voters are quite vocal and hysterical at times

squod

ei.sdraob wrote: »

would that be because some No voters are quite vocal and hysterical at times

I suspect hysteria is a spin off of both campaigns. Has it not occured to you that I'm hearing more no voters because voting no is the correct thing to do?

oscarBravo

squod wrote: »

Has it not occured to you that I'm hearing more no voters because voting no is the correct thing to do?

I'm guessing that if you hear more "no" voters, it's because you keep the company of like-minded individuals. Strange, that.

ei.sdraob

squod wrote: »

I suspect hysteria is a spin off of both campaigns. Has it not occured to you that I'm hearing more no voters because voting no is the correct thing to do?

Has it not occurred when every mainstream party, trade unions, large businesses, intellectuals and economists

are support a YES

that maybe voting YES is the correct thing to do



does it not worry you when the NO campaign is run by Taliban like nuts, Sinn Fein, British Eurosceptics, Libertas and Ganley that somethings smells very rotten

View

Presumably, these are the taxi drivers that funded the Libertas' multi-million Euro campaigns with their 50 Euro donations

ei.sdraob

View wrote: »

Presumably, these are the taxi drivers that funded the Libertas' multi-million Euro campaigns with their 50 Euro donations

did they ever catch that mysterious taxidriver who "donated" to Libertas

€200000 in one go


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squod

ei.sdraob wrote: »

Has it not occurred when every mainstream party, trade unions, large businesses, intellectuals and economists

are support a YES

that maybe voting YES is the correct thing to do



does it not worry you when the NO campaign is run by Taliban like nuts, Sinn Fein, British Eurosceptics, Libertas and Ganley that somethings smells very rotten

Has it not occured to you that the same nut-jobs who ruined this country now want you to vote yes?

prinz

squod wrote: »

Has it not occured to you that the same nut-jobs who ruined this country now want you to vote yes?

You do realise that encompasses a massive majority of Irish political, social, economic, religious, intellectual, civic etc society... they're all "nut jobs"?

ei.sdraob

prinz wrote: »

You do realise that encompasses a massive majority of Irish political, social, economic, religious, intellectual, civic etc society... they're all "nut jobs"?

including the opposition to the current Green ****ing Failure parties


in the form of FG and Lab
whom more than likely would form the next government
and then there are non political organisations, trade unions and businesses



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squod

prinz wrote: »

You do realise that encompasses a massive majority of Irish political, social, economic, religious, intellectual, civic etc society... they're all "nut jobs"?

So then you're saying that these people are then 'Taliban like nuts' because they voted no previuosly?

Anyone who can screw up a country this badly is the wrong person to take advise from.

ei.sdraob

squod wrote: »

So then you're saying that these people are then 'Taliban like nuts' because they voted no previuosly?

Anyone who can screw up a country this badly is the wrong person to take advise from.

what the **** are you talking about?

when talking about 'Taliban like nuts' i am referring to Coir and their backward ways

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The Volt

squod wrote: »

So then you're saying that these people are then 'Taliban like nuts' because they voted no previuosly?

Anyone who can screw up a country this badly is the wrong person to take advise from.

By that logic would a party with the least TD's is the one to take advice from?

marco_polo

ei.sdraob wrote: »

what the **** are you talking about?

when talking about 'Taliban like nuts' i am referring to Coir and their backward ways

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Some people just prefer to reinterpret certain posts into a more suitable format before replying to them. It is chapter one of strawmanning for dummies.

I blame Joe Higgins.

prinz

squod wrote: »

So then you're saying that these people are then 'Taliban like nuts' because they voted no previuosly?

Anyone who can screw up a country this badly is the wrong person to take advise from.

Do I believe that a huge overwhelming majority of politicians, business leaders, union leaders, professional leaders, etc etc etc have the best interest of the country in mind? Yes.

Compared to far right extremists and far left professional complainers...

squod

prinz wrote: »

Do I believe that a huge overwhelming majority of politicians, business leaders, union leaders, professional leaders, etc etc etc have the best interest of the country in mind? Yes.

Compared to far right extremists and far left professional complainers...

Yeah, I'm sure they mean well. But that doesn't make them right.

prinz

squod wrote: »

Yeah, I'm sure they mean well. But that doesn't make them right.

Does it make them wrong? I'm willing to take a bet on them being right, compared to the types looking for a no vote, people who have no experience whatsoever of running a country or and economy etc.

It is a yes or no question next Friday. It's a black and white decision.

squod

Voltwad wrote: »

By that logic would a party with the least TD's is the one to take advice from?

Best person to take advise from is yourself IMO. I just hope you make the right decision from the information you have. I'd like to think that my mind wasn't made up by misinformation or idiots from either side.

The Volt

squod wrote: »

Best person to take advise from is yourself IMO. I just hope you make the right decision from the information you have. I'd like to think that my mind wasn't made up by misinformation or idiots from either side.

My mind's been made up a long time and very little to do with any political party

the_syco

Taxi Sign Fail

IIRC, "Democratic Alliance" is a "NO to Lisbon" group, so the poster is a fail poster.

GroundHog

Democratic Alliance - according to google a group in South Africa!!!

Hermann Kelly - I think many people know who this man is, and if not a browse through the Irish Daily Mail (a very well known and reputable source of S****) will provide you answers.

BUT are their taxi drivers who would stand up to them?

Not on your nellie:(

free to prosper

Like a lot of people in the country,

Taxi drivers have been well and truly shafted by this useless government.

They know the quickest way to get rid of Clowen and co is to Vote no

and they is what they intend to do.

I was speaking to some leaders of Taxidrivers for Change and they estimate

that 80% of taximen will vote No to Lisbon.

Do anybody have any experience of taximen canvassing for a no in their taxi?

Or putting No to Lisbon stickers on their taxi?

OldJay

free to prosper wrote: »

Do anybody have any experience of taximen canvassing for a no in their taxi?

Or putting No to Lisbon stickers on their taxi?

No. Just an experience of being bored to tears by deluded views on Lisbon (unfortunately I was in a cab on the day of the last referendum), Immigration, sports, the government, where they go on vacation . . . etc :rolleyes:

Sam Vimes

free to prosper wrote: »

Like a lot of people in the country,

Taxi drivers have been well and truly shafted by this useless government.

They know the quickest way to get rid of Clowen and co is to Vote no

and they is what they intend to do.

I was speaking to some leaders of Taxidrivers for Change and they estimate

that 80% of taximen will vote No to Lisbon.

Do anybody have any experience of taximen canvassing for a no in their taxi?

Or putting No to Lisbon stickers on their taxi?

Will they also be voting no on the upcoming children's rights referendum for this reason?

mizhell

free to prosper wrote: »

A non-politically aligned group of taxi drivers - across all the taxi organisations, has been formed to get other taxi drivers to campaign against lisbon.

Here is their website: Taxi Drivers for No

Taxi Drivers for No poster:



Their Leaflet:







Taxi Drivers for No initiator and leader is Clem Hackett, a taxi driver from Limerick.

The posters are already out in Dublin, Dundalk and Cork as well as smaller posters in Limerick, Galway, Waterford and the West.

Taximen are a pivotal section of society, with huge influence.

This is showing the government that they mean business.

Hi there I am a taxi driver in Dublin and I rang Clem this morning as I was disgusted that the sweeping statement on the posters tarred all taxi drivers with the same brush as I am leaning towards a yes vote and even if I was undecided I would have a problem with these posters! as it stands the democratic alliance have their name on them and whoever has put these up has printed all of Clem's personal details on them too, much to his disgust I might add! HE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THESE POSTERS and would like the general public to be aware of that! he has contacted a guy who has been linked to Libertas on a number of issues and does not admit to being linked to them on this issue, but he has admitted he has put these posters up and has agreed to take them down by the end of the day, if he does not do this Clem will quite possibly consider legal action if he has not already!
I ask you? if someone is pushing a no vote and insinuating that it has anything to do with deregulation/minimum wage/neutrality or any other ridiculous claim then I urge you to research these issues and find out for yourself what Lisbon means to you because I reiterate that I as a taxi driver am fully aware that this treaty has NOTHING to do with deregulation it takes in a fuller spectrum of issues that effect a huge amount of people and will make huge changes to alot of people who at present cannot be helped because the E.U's hands are tied under present legislation!
I urge you to research facts and rubbish these bold claims and make up your mind for yourself!
I ask you again if these people want you to vote no then why lie? then why print completely illegal details on posters that are supposed to inform people? are you happy being lied to? because I certainly am not!

ei.sdraob

mizhell wrote: »

Hi there I am a taxi driver in Dublin and I rang Clem this morning as I was disgusted that the sweeping statement on the posters tarred all taxi drivers with the same brush as I am leaning towards a yes vote and even if I was undecided I would have a problem with these posters! as it stands the democratic alliance have their name on them and whoever has put these up has printed all of Clem's personal details on them too, much to his disgust I might add! HE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THESE POSTERS and would like the general public to be aware of that! he has contacted a guy who has been linked to Libertas on a number of issues and does not admit to being linked to them on this issue, but he has admitted he has put these posters up and has agreed to take them down by the end of the day, if he does not do this Clem will quite possibly consider legal action if he has not already!
I ask you? if someone is pushing a no vote and insinuating that it has anything to do with deregulation/minimum wage/neutrality or any other ridiculous claim then I urge you to research these issues and find out for yourself what Lisbon means to you because I reiterate that I as a taxi driver am fully aware that this treaty has NOTHING to do with deregulation it takes in a fuller spectrum of issues that effect a huge amount of people and will make huge changes to alot of people who at present cannot be helped because the E.U's hands are tied under present legislation!
I urge you to research facts and rubbish these bold claims and make up your mind for yourself!
I ask you again if these people want you to vote no then why lie? then why print completely illegal details on posters that are supposed to inform people? are you happy being lied to? because I certainly am not!

thanks for your post, appreciated

do you know who this "democratic alliance" is? theres nothing on google

and are you saying that this whole thread is based on fud and this is not happening?

:eek:

PopeBuckfastXVI

mizhell wrote: »

whoever has put these up has printed all of Clem's personal details on them too, much to his disgust I might add! HE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THESE POSTERS and would like the general public to be aware of that!

GUBU.

I wish him a lucrative and successful law suit.

mizhell

@ei.sdraob - the democratic alliance are not listed in the phone book, apparently they are a movement not a party which means whoever has put that name on this poster has left Clem accountable which isn't very nice... or legal
the guy that put these up has been linked to libertas so maybe if your looking for more info along these lines that could be the best place to start?

@PopeBuckfastXVI - lol would love to see where this goes...:D

mal1

free to prosper wrote: »

Like a lot of people in the country,

Taxi drivers have been well and truly shafted by this useless government.

They know the quickest way to get rid of Clowen and co is to Vote no

and they is what they intend to do.

I was speaking to some leaders of Taxidrivers for Change and they estimate

that 80% of taximen will vote No to Lisbon.

Do anybody have any experience of taximen canvassing for a no in their taxi?

Or putting No to Lisbon stickers on their taxi?

I was in a taxi on Friday night which had one of those no to Lisbon stickers. I asked tha driver about it and he said that someone had put it on his car unknown to him. He was voting 'yes'

average_runner

You said the taxi drivers have been shafted by the goverment!!

Well how long did the taxi drivers shaft the general public before they got deregulated!!

Capt'n Midnight

http://i629.photobucket.com/albums/uu17/brian910/TaximenNoTurkey1copy2.jpg

Taxi drivers demanding a fare wage ?

I can remember when plates cost more than houses, and Taxi drivers were averaging four times the national average. Thing is I haven't noticed prices dropping a lot since.

Taxi drivers have used up a lot of their goodwill over the years, especially those in Dublin.

How about a poster that said vote YES for cheaper Taxi's ?

mizhell

@ average runner - please understand that the majority of taxi drivers that are working now started taxiing after deregulation I am one of these and I am earning one third of what I was earning five years ago and my costs are rising with more fees for renewal of licences and petrol/diesel costs making it very hard to earn a living and I have been trying to seek alternative jobs for the last two years
I appreciate that you might feel that its important to point out that taxi drivers were earning ridiculous money before deregulation but I can assure you, that the majority that work in the industry now have never seen such affluence, please dont make this an anti taxi driver thread because these posters dont speak for me or many other taxi drivers that I have spoken to thanks!

Run_to_da_hills

mal1 wrote: »

I was in a taxi on Friday night which had one of those no to Lisbon stickers. I asked tha driver about it and he said that someone had put it on his car unknown to him. He was voting 'yes'

He must be one of the 10% of Taxi drivers that are voting yes.

mizhell

@Capt'n Midnight - you might find that taxi's in Ireland are actually one of the cheapest in Europe, I appreciate your point but misinformation on this poster is more so the concerning factor dont you think?

Scofflaw

mizhell wrote: »

@ average runner - please understand that the majority of taxi drivers that are working now started taxiing after deregulation I am one of these and I am earning one third of what I was earning five years ago and my costs are rising with more fees for renewal of licences and petrol/diesel costs making it very hard to earn a living and I have been trying to seek alternative jobs for the last two years
I appreciate that you might feel that its important to point out that taxi drivers were earning ridiculous money before deregulation but I can assure you, that the majority that work in the industry now have never seen such affluence, please dont make this an anti taxi driver thread because these posters dont speak for me or many other taxi drivers that I have spoken to thanks!

I'm going to second that - this is not a thread for bashing tax-drivers, although you're welcome to comment on your perception of their likely political clout.

moderately,
Scofflaw

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Euro_Kraut

mizhell wrote: »

@ average runner - please understand that the majority of taxi drivers that are working now started taxiing after deregulation I am one of these and I am earning one third of what I was earning five years ago and my costs are rising with more fees for renewal of licences and petrol/diesel costs making it very hard to earn a living and I have been trying to seek alternative jobs for the last two years
I appreciate that you might feel that its important to point out that taxi drivers were earning ridiculous money before deregulation but I can assure you, that the majority that work in the industry now have never seen such affluence, please dont make this an anti taxi driver thread because these posters dont speak for me or many other taxi drivers that I have spoken to thanks!

+1

This is not a thread about Taxi deruglation and the rights or wrongs of that.

This thread is about a shady group using drity tricks to advocate a NO vote.

mizhell

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

He must be one of the 10% of Taxi drivers that are voting yes.

add me to that 10% so! :P