Should Dunne try to make a comeback ?

super_metroid

Should he bother to try and become world champ or should he hang up his gloves ?

Tropheus

He should call it a day. He seems to have a glass jaw.

I doubt if he will though. I don't think he's made enough money to retire.

Boooourns

Since he's one of the best fighters in Europe and is in the top 10 in the World then no is your answer, plenty of fights out there for him. Don't forget Cordoba is a top class fighter.

super_metroid

spongeman

SUPER METROID = TROLL

PirateShampoo

I dunno, hes nearly 30 now.

Could he push for a rematch? If he did it would be suicide for him.

Is he gonna go back to fighting bums and have his 2/3 ko's just to make a few €.

Or he could end up like Wayne McCullough and not knowing when to step down.

darrenw5094

Wayne had one of the best chins in pro boxing......Dunne has one of the weakest.

Call it a day and walk away in good health.

JohnMc1

He's only lost twice [and they were about 2 years apart] and those shots that Bernard took would have put away anyone. The Glass Jaw bit is silly.

JohnMc1

JohnMc1 wrote: »

He's only lost twice [and they were about 2 years apart] and those shots that Bernard took would have put away anyone. The Glass Jaw bit is silly.

The two big punchers he has met have both knocked him out convincingly,he does indeed have a glass jaw.

darrenw5094

JohnMc1 wrote: »

He's only lost twice [and they were about 2 years apart] and those shots that Bernard took would have put away anyone. The Glass Jaw bit is silly.

The glass jaw is a fact. I didn't think his opponent was a big hitter anyway.

King of Kings

darrenw5094 wrote: »

The glass jaw is a fact. I didn't think his opponent was a big hitter anyway.

considering his oppenent Ko'd 28 out of 40 oppenents ....then eh NO he is not a big hitter:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

you really don't know much.

nullzero

Any return to the ring would be a mistake.
He does have a glass jaw, two hard hitting opponents and two early stoppages. All the training in the world won't help that chin of his. More importantly, he's not smart enough to cover up and fight smart when he does get tagged.
I was at the fight last night and the tickets weren't cheap. I certainly wouldn't waste my money going to see him again.
It was great to have a big fight like that in Dublin and hopefully we'll see some other Irish boxers in big fights in the 02 in the near future, I just can't see Bernard Dunne topping the bill again.

YamaMotoYama

darrenw5094 wrote: »

The glass jaw is a fact. I didn't think his opponent was a big hitter anyway.

I think its fair to say that Dunne is not the most sturdy around his whiskers... but the opponent last night was/is a micro-Tyson. Anyone not knowing that is clearly not clued in.

I think Bernard should go back and re-establish himself with a European belt and then look for a another world belt shot.

Dunne tried to out macho a macho man... Sugar Ray Leonard did that too in his first fight with Duran and paid dearly. Bernard should have boxed at range.

arybvtcw0eolkf

I don't comment in this forum too often, because quite frankly I don't feel I'm qualified to.

Having said that I'll answer the question.

"Should Dunne try to make a come back".

Thats a little different than 'Should Dunne retire from boxing' - I'm not sure if its within his abilities to make a 'come back' and be world champion again.

But he should certainly continue boxing, why?.. Because its his bloody trade.

Unlike most of us here (I'd like to think the majority of commentators in this forum are fighters) who are (at best) local club fighters. Boxing is BD's bread & butter and its what he excels at - so while it provides a living then I believe he should continue and best of luck to the lad.

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OMCCABE

It all depends on whether he can discipline himself to the point were he can stick to a game plan. I watched the fight with a group of friends and predicted the KO not because Dunne lacks the skills or indeed the heart, but because I believed eventually he would decide that he was bored lobsidely winning the fight and would step inside that little dynamos range. He did and we all saw the result. Until he protects his suspect chin he will not be able to put together a consistent set of results against world class opposition.

nullzero

YamaMotoYama wrote: »

I think its fair to say that Dunne is not the most sturdy around his whiskers... but the opponent last night was/is a micro-Tyson. Anyone not knowing that is clearly not clued in.

I think Bernard should go back and re-establish himself with a European belt and then look for a another world belt shot.

Dunne tried to out macho a macho man... Sugar Ray Leonard did that too in his first fight with Duran and paid dearly. Bernard should have boxed at range.

Dunne has been a reasonably effective fighter over the past few years, but it has to be said that he has been able to pick and choose his opponents most of the time.
He has the ability to be a good outside fighter but he lacks the intelligence to put that into practice regularly. Even in fights he has won easily he has been noted for giving his opponents paths back into fights.

It may also be a stretch to comapre Dunne to Sugar Ray Leonard, who was one of the best of all time. Leonard could adapt to each opponent and learned his lesson against Duran which ultimatley led to the "No Mas" debacle in their rematch which showed just how masterful Leonard was.
Dunne has offered no evidence to say that he would be wiley enough to meet Poonsawaat in a rematch and produce the world class performance required to regain the title.
It's a real shame to see a potentially classy fighter throw away any prospect he had of being a really top fighter by making the mistakes he made last night.
It's really hard to see where Dunne can go from here. He will surely continue on fighting but the big time bubble was uncerimoniously burst for him last night and it's hard to see him attracting the reportedly large purses he has been getting over the past couple of years after his abject antics in last nights fight.
He hasn't repaid the faith that has been shown to him by his promotors and fans, at the very least he should have been professional last night but he lost control of himself and I would argue he now has a lot of thinking to do.

T-K-O

nullzero wrote: »

Dunne has been a reasonably effective fighter over the past few years, but it has to be said that he has been able to pick and choose his opponents most of the time.
He has the ability to be a good outside fighter but he lacks the intelligence to put that into practice regularly. Even in fights he has won easily he has been noted for giving his opponents paths back into fights.

It may also be a stretch to comapre Dunne to Sugar Ray Leonard, who was one of the best of all time. Leonard could adapt to each opponent and learned his lesson against Duran which ultimatley led to the "No Mas" debacle in their rematch which showed just how masterful Leonard was.
Dunne has offered no evidence to say that he would be wiley enough to meet Poonsawaat in a rematch and produce the world class performance required to regain the title.
It's a real shame to see a potentially classy fighter throw away any prospect he had of being a really top fighter by making the mistakes he made last night.
It's really hard to see where Dunne can go from here. He will surely continue on fighting but the big time bubble was uncerimoniously burst for him last night and it's hard to see him attracting the reportedly large purses he has been getting over the past couple of years after his abject antics in last nights fight.
He hasn't repaid the faith that has been shown to him by his promotors and fans, at the very least he should have been professional last night but he lost control of himself and I would argue he now has a lot of thinking to do.

One of the most gifted fighters in the world is guilty of that. That's boxing, Dunne worked his way through the best in Europe beating pickering and walstad on the way, sure he had fillers along the way but who doesn't.

He stepped up again and beat Cordoba to take home the title. A few months later he takes a further step up in class and is unfortunately found wanting.

Dunne owes his promotor nothing. BP has done a good job for Bernard, but Peters has also built a company of Bernards back.

nullzero

T-K-O wrote: »

One of the most gifted fighters in the world is guilty of that. That's boxing, Dunne worked his way through the best in Europe beating pickering and walstad on the way, sure he had fillers along the way but who doesn't.

He stepped up again and beat Cordoba to take home the title. A few months later he takes a further step up in class and is unfortunately found wanting.

Dunne owes his promotor nothing. BP has done a good job for Bernard, but Peters has also built a company of Bernards back.

I agree that it has been a great deal for both sides thats obvious.

I have no problem with Dunne losing, it's the manner in which he lost which agrrivated me.
There was no need fro him to react to being stunned by going toe to toe.
It was seeing a car crash happen in slow motion last night.
If you hit your thumb with a hammer, you'd put it down till the pain began to subside, you wouldn't start taking out your frustration by hitting your own hand with said hammer. Thats simialr to what Dunne seemed to be doing after being stunned.
It was as if he didn't learn from the Martinez fight. Had he stayed smart and kept in an outside fight I believe Dunne could have worn Poonsawaat down, instead he went beserk and got himself soundly beaten in the process. It was thoroughly unprofessional and when a crowd pays big money to see a world champion they should at least see a professional performance regardless of the outcome and that is what Dunne failed to do and that is what I take issue with and what will undoubtedly count against him in the future when he is attempting to promote his fights.

T-K-O

nullzero wrote: »

I agree that it has been a great deal for both sides thats obvious.

I have no problem with Dunne losing, it's the manner in which he lost which agrrivated me.
There was no need fro him to react to being stunned by going toe to toe.
It was seeing a car crash happen in slow motion last night.
If you hit your thumb with a hammer, you'd put it down till the pain began to subside, you wouldn't start taking out your frustration by hitting your own hand with said hammer. Thats simialr to what Dunne seemed to be doing after being stunned.
It was as if he didn't learn from the Martinez fight. Had he stayed smart and kept in an outside fight I believe Dunne could have worn Poonsawaat down, instead he went beserk and got himself soundly beaten in the process. It was thoroughly unprofessional and when a crowd pays big money to see a world champion they should at least see a professional performance regardless of the outcome and that is what Dunne failed to do and that is what I take issue with and what will undoubtedly count against him in the future when he is attempting to promote his fights.

I agree with some of what you say. You say Dunne should have fought smart and kept Poonsawat at arms length. While I agree with you there most fans criticize fighters for doing that. It's a no win situation with some fans out there. Personally I would have been delighted to see him jab and move for 12 rounds.

Also if you remember, after the first KD Dunne got up and got his jab going and caught PW with some decent shots - he then walked onto a left and was clearly shook. It was then he seemed to lose his faculties and began to swing with the Thai fighter.

PirateShampoo

I think he was going on instinct after the first knock down and praying the end of round bell would come. Then he got caught with that second came and like you said probably lost control of his faculties.

I don't agree with people saying the ref should of stopped it. Dunne was the champion and deserved every chance by the ref to recover.

T-K-O

PirateShampoo wrote: »

I think he was going on instinct after the first knock down and praying the end of round bell would come. Then he got caught with that second came and like you said probably lost control of his faculties.

I don't agree with people saying the ref should of stopped it. Dunne was the champion and deserved every chance by the ref to recover.

Dunne has displayed his 'instinct' in the past, and that is to go out swinging. If I remember correctly he worked the jab well after the first KD

BTW the ref stopping it would have been ridiculous.

nacho libre

T-K-O wrote: »

I agree with some of what you say. You say Dunne should have fought smart and kept Poonsawat at arms length. While I agree with you there most fans criticize fighters for doing that. It's a no win situation with some fans out there. Personally I would have been delighted to see him jab and move for 12 rounds.

against a highly regarded number one contender that was never going to happen. this talk of Bernard Dunne not sticking to the game plan is nonsense.
he simply didn't have the natural resources to do that against a decent boxer with iron fists.
unfortunately Bernard Dunne is cursed by by two major flaws: his lack of punch resistance and not being a heavy hitter himself. if he had the latter the Thai might well have lost this fight on points. As it was, after two rounds of sizing Dunne up, he knew Dunne couldn't hurt him so he just walked through his punches and had enough skill to ensure Dunne could not box and move for 12 rounds.

T-K-O

nacho libre wrote: »

against a highly regarded number one contender that was never going to happen. this talk of Bernard Dunne not sticking to the game plan is nonsense.
he simply didn't have the natural resources to do that against a decent boxer with iron fists.
unfortunately Bernard Dunne is cursed by by two major flaws: his lack of punch resistance and not being a heavy hitter himself. if he had the latter the Thai might well have lost this fight on points. As it was, after two rounds of sizing Dunne up, he knew Dunne couldn't hurt him so he just walked through his punches and had enough skill to ensure Dunne could not box and move for 12 rounds.

I knew it was impossible to jab his way to victory. What I was saying is that If Dunne somehow managed to do that I would'nt complain about the manner of the victory.

Happy Monday

Bernard Dunne has become Ireland's Ricky Hatton.

Good working class boy with a likeable personality - a man who has used all of his god given talent to become a popular world champion - but when faced with the very best is a little short.

Like Ricky H he walked onto punches even when dropped instead of holding onto the man.

But I'm sure we all wish Bernard and his family all the best in the future.

nacho libre

Happy Monday wrote: »

Bernard Dunne has become Ireland's Ricky Hatton.

Good working class boy with a likeable personality - a man who has used all of his god given talent to become a popular world champion - but when faced with the very best is a little short.

Like Ricky H he walked onto punches even when dropped instead of holding onto the man.

But I'm sure we all wish Bernard and his family all the best in the future.

i agree with most of this but i think it's unfair to condemn him for not holding on because that was likely down to him not being physicially strong enough to cling on. it seemed as if the thai had the strength to push him off.

bamboozler

Think he should go back to European level and maybe fight munroe but doubt that will happen because of all the rubbish said bout dat one before

walshb

YamaMotoYama wrote: »

I think its fair to say that Dunne is not the most sturdy around his whiskers... but the opponent last night was/is a micro-Tyson. Anyone not knowing that is clearly not clued in.

I think Bernard should go back and re-establish himself with a European belt and then look for a another world belt shot.

Dunne tried to out macho a macho man... Sugar Ray Leonard did that too in his first fight with Duran and paid dearly. Bernard should have boxed at range.

He is not a micro Tyson. He was and is a strong fighter with a punch against a guy with little punch resistance. The defeat was accentuated because Bernard has not got the strength and chin to withstand hitters.
I don't expect PK to beat Lopez or Vasquez or Caballero. He is not
a great boxer

The SRL-Duran comparison is well off. That went 15 rds, hard and close rds.

deepriver

A lot of comments really hit the nail on the head in this forum...

Dunne is a very skillfull boxer

Very good heart

Rangy and pyhsically well conditioned

He dosnt have a knock out punch

He has a very suspect chin

He seems inconsistent

He cant stick to a gameplan

He cant in my opinion retain a world belt

I think he will be a bit of a comeback kid though and I can see him challenging if he sticks to a gameplan and boxes for points

Have a lot of respect for Dunne, specially the way he carries himself but there is something not quite right, it defied all logic for a title holder to start slugging it out with a slugger and wtf were his corner saying between rounds while this was going on?

When he got knocked down first time he shoud have had the sense to stay for the count and then run around the ring, instead he put his chin out and started swinging for the fences, it baffled me

walshb

deepriver wrote: »

When he got knocked down first time he shoud have had the sense to stay for the count and then run around the ring, instead he put his chin out and started swinging for the fences, it baffled me

Easier said than done. He got caught with a good shot and was badly hurt. His ability to take a shot and recover are the problem, so it is not that easy to run and hold when you are hurt badly. Dunne tried to stay at distance but couldn't keep the guy off him. He hasn't Mayweather's defense either

T-K-O

deepriver wrote: »

A lot of comments really hit the nail on the head in this forum...

Dunne is a very skillfull boxer

Very good heart

Rangy and pyhsically well conditioned

He dosnt have a knock out punch

He has a very suspect chin

He seems inconsistent

He cant stick to a gameplan

He cant in my opinion retain a world belt

I think he will be a bit of a comeback kid though and I can see him challenging if he sticks to a gameplan and boxes for points

Have a lot of respect for Dunne, specially the way he carries himself but there is something not quite right, it defied all logic for a title holder to start slugging it out with a slugger and wtf were his corner saying between rounds while this was going on?

When he got knocked down first time he shoud have had the sense to stay for the count and then run around the ring, instead he put his chin out and started swinging for the fences, it baffled me

Dunne looked O.K after the first KD. He got the jab going and caught Poon with a few shots. He then walked onto a shot left for the second KD and that was it. It was then he started swinging, at that stage the game was up.

walshb

I only got to see the fight proper today and to me he looked very shaky after that first left hook landed. He was visibly tired looking as he was going down.

He did fight back well, but was on pure instinct and survival. His shape and appearance
when he was going down the second time was very worrying and I think that was when
the ref or corner should have intervened.

Shane10

i think he should call it a day. hes had a good shot at it, leave while hes had a decent career. as much as we love dunne against any decent puncher hes a gonner. he has no real power either. kiko and poonswaat both small powerfull punchers and both killed him. is there any real point in going on. it would only get worse IMO.

H. Flashman

He should hang up his gloves I like dunne but by rights on paper at least he should never have won against Cordoba. After the first round or two with Cordoba I thought damn it he's not quite good enough, the champ was a little faster a little slicker a little too good. But Dunne fought the fight of his life and pulled off a miracle he simply willed his way to victory through sheer guts and determination he refused to go down he refused to loose. I can only give him total respect for that. But even with all the will in the world you can't keep beating guys who are a few notches above you like that which is what he'd have to do if he was to hold on to or regain the title.

Of course he could fight on at European level and most likely take that belt but it would never be the same. No point in a rematch with the Thai.

WillieCocker

Shane10 wrote: »

i think he should call it a day. hes had a good shot at it, leave while hes had a decent career. as much as we love dunne against any decent puncher hes a gonner. he has no real power either. kiko and poonswaat both small powerfull punchers and both killed him. is there any real point in going on. it would only get worse IMO.

Spot on.
The problem is he's Irish.....and as with a lot of the fans, they would rather see him dead than give up.

Jayob10

Of course Dunne should continue!!! I have to laugh at some people on here. Dunne is a decent boxer, he fought out of his skin to win a world title. And thats a stat that will never be taken away from him. I'm not saying he will win a world title again but boxing is his living. There is no shame in losing to the fighter he lost to Saturday night. I think boxing fans will understand that anyones chin would be susceptible to the kind of shots bernard took Sat night. The key is to use your boxing skills to keep such an opponent at bay. As much as his chin is being questioned, I am questioning his decision making. Surely he knew to get out of this guys way. To get in and out.

Maybe a change of scenery or coach would be good for him. Reinvent himself as the boxer he should be, drilled in working off his generally good technical skills. Move up the feather or super feather where he may regain some power with his added weight. Now I cannot stress enough that Bernard prob won't reach world title heights again, but he can be selective in who he goes after. He does have alot to offer.

Bernard has to think about making a living for himself now. As a former world champ he will be an attractive fight for many fighters out there. Go back to the european scene. Also it might do him good to fight outside of his own backyard again, I think the white hot atmosphere of the O2 might have contributed to his downfall where he feels a pressure to put on a performance rather than concentrate on boxing and winning first and foremost.

Of course Bernard should continue.

joepenguin

No way should he retire. Just because he won a world title (against a man who holds a win over the divisions number one) and lost the title to a man everyone else avoided. Dunne was forced into the fight by the wba which is hard luck but the way it goes.

If he chose a handy voluntary and got pasted then you could say his days are numbered at that level, but imo Dunne is at the top level in Europe, and fringe contender at world level. Nothing wrong with that.

In fact I would love to see him at european level again. There are loads of interesting fights to be made there. He deserves a handy enough fight back if he so wishes, but will be well capable of getting right back in the mix.


By the way Kiko lost an ibf eliminator at featherweight the other night.

Jayob10

joepenguin wrote: »

No way should he retire. Just because he won a world title (against a man who holds a win over the divisions number one) and lost the title to a man everyone else avoided. Dunne was forced into the fight by the wba which is hard luck but the way it goes.

If he chose a handy voluntary and got pasted then you could say his days are numbered at that level, but imo Dunne is at the top level in Europe, and fringe contender at world level. Nothing wrong with that.

In fact I would love to see him at european level again. There are loads of interesting fights to be made there. He deserves a handy enough fight back if he so wishes, but will be well capable of getting right back in the mix.


By the way Kiko lost an ibf eliminator at featherweight the other night.

Kiko has done pretty much shag all since he beat Bernard. I agree with all you say above.

joepenguin

Jayob10 wrote: »

Kiko has done pretty much shag all since he beat Bernard. I agree with all you say above.

Yeah, its a pity he didnt do a little bit better though because its a fight that would sell should they meet again.

claire g dunne

Hey Everyone, Of course Bernard should come back and give it anyother go... Look what happened when he fought Kiko - a lot of people slagged him off but end of the day Kiko did him the biggest favor of his life as he training got tougher and he was put forward 4 a shot at the world title which he won... so thanks Kiko for that! you win some u loose some but I did feel so sorry 4 him on saturday i was gutted 4 him. we were sittin ring side with the rest of the family and my heart went out 2 them all there really lovely people. Although Bernard didnt win on Sat night he did his real fans proud by sayin such an emotional heart felt speech and to congratulate the new world champion.. he is right it is a bad time for boxers but I do feel that there wasnt much of an atmosphere in the 02 on sat night as there was back in march??? does anyone agree? anyways best of luck cuz cant wait 2 c ye back in the ring in the new year to show us all what your made of again! chin up hun xxxx:p

akindoc

Dunne is lucky he has a poor chin. He doesn't take a tremendous amount of punishment as a result and gets out pretty OK. The worst way to get KO'd is to be given a thourough hiding for 12 rounds and then KO'd at the end because you have such a good chin that you can absorb punches.

Dunne doesn't have that problem.

I mean, the likes of JM Lopez would have smiled at Poonsawat after being hit with the first left hook. Dunne reacted as if someone shot him in the back of the head.

I think he should continue fighting, but for the sake of pride, stay at european level. Give it a go again at world level if a weak champ gets the title, but that's not likely because the division is brimming with talent at the top. Some of them might move up though.

walshb

akindoc wrote: »

I mean, the likes of JM Lopez would have smiled at Poonsawat after being hit with the first left hook. Dunne reacted as if someone shot him in the back of the head.

Exactly my thoughts. Some see to think that the shot was unreal in its power.
It was a decent shot, but it was only that explosive because of the person it was landing on. Dunne implodes when hit clean and flush. It doesn't take tremendous power to do the trick, that is his main problem.

walshb

claire g dunne wrote: »

Hey Everyone, Of course Bernard should come back and give it anyother go... Look what happened when he fought Kiko - a lot of people slagged him off but end of the day Kiko did him the biggest favor of his life as he training got tougher and he was put forward 4 a shot at the world title which he won... so thanks Kiko for that! you win some u loose some but I did feel so sorry 4 him on saturday i was gutted 4 him. we were sittin ring side with the rest of the family and my heart went out 2 them all there really lovely people. Although Bernard didnt win on Sat night he did his real fans proud by sayin such an emotional heart felt speech and to congratulate the new world champion.. he is right it is a bad time for boxers but I do feel that there wasnt much of an atmosphere in the 02 on sat night as there was back in march??? does anyone agree? anyways best of luck cuz cant wait 2 c ye back in the ring in the new year to show us all what your made of again! chin up hun xxxx:p

This is what needs to be addressed. He didn't win THE world title at all and most folks who don't follow the sport seem to think that Dunne was a world champion. He won a version of a version, which will never be the world title, no matter what way one spins it. Seriously, are we that hard up for sucess that we will make out that Dunne's "world title" was a genuine world title.

I don't care who he/she is. I will not lower my standards just because the person is Irish. I want Irish people to do well in sport, but I will not lie just to make out that it's better than it really is. If Dunne was world champion where does that leave the likes
of McGuigan?

And before anyone has a hissy fit because I say this, who here genuinely thinks Amir Khan
is a world champion? I don't, and I am a fan of his.

Who here thinks Oscar won a middleweight world title? I don't, but officially he did.
Who genuinely believes Ray Leonard won a Light Heavyweight world title? I don't, but again,
"officially" he did

Boxing is littered with this crap

BDF

walshb wrote: »

This is what needs to be adressed. He didn't win THE world title at all and most folks who don't follow the sport seem to think that Dunne was a world champion. He won a version of a version, which will never be the world title, no matter what way one spins it. Seriously, are we that hard up for sucess that we will make out that Dunne's "world title" was a genuine world title.

I don't care who he/she is. I will not lower my standards just because the person is Irish. I want Irish people to do well in sport, but I will not lie just to make out that it's beter than it really is. If Dune was world champion where does that leave the likes
of McGuigan?

I respect your opinion WalshB - did I read correctly that you used to box yourself? - If so you quite obviously know what you are talking about but your comments on Dunne are very negative. We all know Dunne only won a version of that belt but you can be sure that Thailand will now embrace Poonsawat as a real world champ, why can't we do the same for Dunne? His win over Cordoba was more than enough to qualify him as a champ in most peoples eyes. You are being a bit too hard and over critical of him.

walshb

BDF wrote: »

I respect your opinion WalshB - did I read correctly that you used to box yourself? - If so you quite obviously know what you are talking about but your comments on Dunne are very negative. We all know Dunne only won a version of that belt but you can be sure that Thailand will now embrace Poonsawat as a real world champ, why can't we do the same for Dunne? His win over Cordoba was more than enough to qualify him as a champ in most peoples eyes. You are being a bit too hard and over critical of him.

Negative? How?

I listed examples of this crap to illustrate what goes on and if Thailand want to parade their man as world champ, so be it. Doesn't make it so, and stating
this has ZERO to do with negativity. It's to do with being blatantly honest.

Ray Leonard, one boxer I truly loved, was NEVER a LH world champion
Is this too an example of negativity?

Ben Dunne was a Euro champ, but never a world champ. I won't drop my
standards on this just to be seen to cooperate and maybe not to "offend."

Dearbhal O'Rourke came 4th in Berlin, is she too a world champion?

We already have two to three too many in boxing, but
this takes the biscuit IMO

lucky-colm

dunne should call it a day

actually he should have called it a day a long time ago maybe shortly after he decided he was going to be a boxer. he was a mediocre boxer and that is a generous statement.

he never beat anyone of any quality, and when he did come up against it he failed miserbly on both occassions.

if he was from any other country other than ireland you wouldn't even know his name

H. Flashman

lucky-colm wrote: »

dunne should call it a day

actually he should have called it a day a long time ago maybe shortly after he decided he was going to be a boxer. he was a mediocre boxer and that is a generous statement.

he never beat anyone of any quality, and when he did come up against it he failed miserbly on both occassions.

if he was from any other country other than ireland you wouldn't even know his name

come on dude get real how many Irishmen have achieved what he did? And he beat Cordoba and Cordoba was a man of quality.

And as for "he was a mediocre boxer and that is a generous statement." Thats not a generous statement its a stupid statement he was among the top 7-8 boxers in his division and anybody who is in the top 7-8 in the world at something is not medicore at it he's damn good at it!

walshb

Look, before Cordoba, Dunne was outside the top ten, he was barely top 20 if I remember correctly. That one win over Cordoba, catapuled him to 7 I think, bypassing many guys who were higher, and justifibaly higher. Jeez, Cordoba won the 'belt' by fighting against a really average fighter, and then we are sold the Dunne-Cordoba fight as a 'world title.' Something is seriously wrong in boxing if this is what is going on. The one and only time Dunne broke the top ten was after Cordoba I think, and now it's out again.

Cordoba, we all knew was tailor made for Dunne. He wasn't going to beat
many of the others in the top ten.

What about the guys rated below Dunne after Dunne beat Ricardo?

I mean, the man who destroyed him was lower, Ponce and Escalante were lower too. These were initiall higher. It's not all that simple to just list
ratings.

Does anyone believe Dunne would have beat Escalante, Ponce, Ruiz even, now or back then? All are strong and can punch, not exceptional boxers, but just strong and good hitters

BDF

walshb wrote: »

Look, before Cordoba, Dunne was outside the top ten, he was barely top 20 if I remember correctly. That one win over Cordoba, catapuled him to 7 I think, bypassing many guys who were higher, and justifibaly higher. Jeez, Cordoba won the 'belt' by fighting against a really average fighter, and then we are sold the Dunne-Cordoba fight as a 'world title.' Something is seriously wrong in boxing if this is what is going on. The one and only time Dunne broke the top ten was after Cordoba I think, and now it's out again.

Cordoba, we all knew was tailor made for Dunne. He wasn't going to beat
many of the others in the top ten.

What about the guys rated below Dunne after Dunne beat Ricardo?

I mean, the man who destroyed him was lower, Ponce and Escalante were lower too. These were initiall higher. It's not all that simple to just list
ratings.

Does anyone believe Dunne would have beat Escalante, Ponce, Ruiz even, now or back then? All are strong and can punch, not exceptional boxers, but just strong and good hitters

Walsh do you agree with the notion that Dunne is a mediocre boxer as was posted above? You only seem to take issue when someone posts a postive, encouraging comment about Dunne but you have no problem with all the drivel and nonsense some of these lads are coming out with. You have no problem with people saying he's sh*te but you do have a problem with anyone who thinks he is world class or near it. What's all that about?

H. Flashman

Walshb - strange that you claim your not anti dunne yet choose to ignore the statement "he should have called it a day a long time ago maybe shortly after he decided he was going to be a boxer."

And choose to take issue with a statement saying he was in the top 7-8 in the world when he was ranked by at least two of the governing bodies in roughly that ball park - strange indeed. One can only assume that you agree with the former and disagree with the later which makes you a distinctly poor judge of his abilities.

H. Flashman

BDF wrote: »

Walsh do you agree with the notion that Dunne is a mediocre boxer as was posted above? You only seem to take issue when someone posts a postive, encouraging comment about Dunne but you have no problem with all the drivel and nonsense some of these lads are coming out with. You have no problem with people saying he's sh*te but you do have a problem with anyone who thinks he is world class or near it. What's all that about?

lol you beat me to it

walshb

Look, anyone who Knows me knows well that think Dunne is not a world class boxer. I have stated this umpteen tmes and if some think he is mediocre, so be it. He is not great by any stretch. He was a good amateur and an average/good pro, no matter what spin is put on it. He beat ONE fighter who could be regarded as good, Cordoba. Now, I never rated Cordoba. Dunne impressed me vs Cordoaba, Cordoba did not impress me one bit.

Who are you to say that a poster is drivel just because they don't think Dunne is all that and is mediocre?

Compared to the best in the world, YES, he is mediocre and I have no doubt now, nor back then, that the top guys would seriously wipe him out.
Kiko did for chrissake, and Kiko is not close to world best.

I can tell you, outside of Ireland, nobody knows Dunne or rates him high.
This is fact. He has talent, he's not uselss, but he is not great.

I don't want to be slating him, but just because I feel that he is not a world
level fighter, shouldn't equate to slating.

I'd gladly applaud Dunne if he was truly world class, but I won't, just
to keep some happy.

He got officillialy rated top ten from about number 20 on the basis
of a win over Cordoba.