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Ultra Street Fighter 4 Discussion Thread
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so what, you are now moaning about charge characters???????? Chunners has to charge for 2 seconds as well and she doesn't get an insta block.......
I just loath you cause we play too much.
btw, Modern warfare 2 = awesome. You may get a new telly for SF4
Actually, a slow sonic boom is the quickest with 29 recovery frames.
Just because you're too slow to punish me.
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Doctor DooM wrote: »Just because you're too slow to punish me.
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Dreddybajs wrote: »Still looks like a cool character of course but I liked old Deejay style.
You mean the styling of being Overpowered?
In all seriousness though, I get what you mean. I'm sure he'll have decent anti air normals. They are probably limited in scope though, so you will have to pick the right one depending on how deep the jump in is. That sort of thing.
Has the two ultra thing been dropped btw? Havent heard a mention of it in those vids.0 -
You mean the styling of being Overpowered?
In all seriousness though, I get what you mean. I'm sure he'll have decent anti air normals. They are probably limited in scope though, so you will have to pick the right one depending on how deep the jump in is. That sort of thing.
Has the two ultra thing been dropped btw? Havent heard a mention of it in those vids.
Every time I see an interview with Capcom they say "we can't talk about the ultras yet". Somethings up with them that they don't want to share right now.
There was a couple of screen caps from a vid in which it very much looks like Ryu is pulling a shin SRK.0 -
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You mean the styling of being Overpowered?
In all seriousness though, I get what you mean. I'm sure he'll have decent anti air normals. They are probably limited in scope though, so you will have to pick the right one depending on how deep the jump in is. That sort of thing.
Has the two ultra thing been dropped btw? Havent heard a mention of it in those vids.
I don't think ST Deejay was overpowered, never heard that opinion before actually - anyway yeah hopefully he'll still have great normals.0 -
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Zapp Brannigan wrote: »Chun's AA's aren't that bad. Neutral MK close jump ins, s.HP for far jumps and s.HK for sniping jump ins/outs. And EX SBK is surprisingly not all that good.
All chuns anti air moves are situational. Which kinda sucks, but makes it that extra bit more badass when you stuff people with them.* Dislike the new Announcer (Don't have a problem with the current one).
During the SF4 build up I was raging about the announcer, I hated him with a passion. The really camp over enthusiastic crap pisses me off, I hated the guy from alpha 3 but at least he didnt talk during the damn fight. I got a little used to him apon getting the game but when I finally got the PC version, 1st thing I did was modded him to get him to STFU during the match.
The new one isnt great though either but a little better.
Its always the way isnt it, with all games even.
* Dislike how the people who record footage for the trailers never seem to be able to actually play the game
Capcom like to keep people guessing I think though, show them elements of a character and then watch as the community start trying to figure out gameplay elements and combos working off of what little they saw in the vid..*Endless Mode? lol - .............. bloody boring.
Unless your the guy winning
All the new stuff looks good. New Announcer doesn't bother me. Game modes are what was badly need and should help build the community.
Nothing new with just showing off moves and ultra's in the trailers. They did the same in SF IV. People playing the game are probably not pro's and haven't figured out how the characters play and besides even if they did the characters move properties will probably change several times before release so even if they could play at a high level it would show us nothing of value.
Hopefully they do add Dudley, I find Balrog incredible dull in SF IV compared to his ST version, we need a non charge boxer character who doesn't have to worry about charge.
Agree with everything. I look forward to seeing what they do with the other characters, BIG time. IbuuuuuuukiiiiiiiiiiHonestly, i'd just be extremely lucky, havent lost a game online yet, and thats not because of skill, just because most people couldnt defend against zangief.
Where are these meets you speak of?
Just a word of warning 2 guys came on here 'talking the talk' before. The 1st one ragequit the game after losing a few casual games in a row and the 2nd one rage quit the game apon hearing of the 1st guys story :pac:
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Chun needs a decent ultra that fully connects not decent anti-air. She can already jump an hour after her opponent jumps, come up from below them and beat alot of them clean. EX.SBK is a great anti air counter for a direct jump in but its only too right it can be safe jumped on wake up.FutureGuy wrote:Oh man please add me on live...I need some experience against more top class Zangiefs!
Pro tip, learn Seth 0 -
What are people's wishlists with regards to Character changes? I would be interested to know what people want. Don't get to in-depth, keep it breif....and be realistic. For example, asking for a fireball with Gief is a bit silly.:D
Couple of things with Sim.
First up is yoga blast. The startup and recovery on it are terrible. The EX version is quicker so that has its uses but the main problem with this move is its hitbox. Its far too small. Give it a bigger hitbox to make it more useful.
Secondly is his throw range. Granted, most characters throw range is the same at 0.9 but characters like rose have more. Given the fact that Dhalsim has one of the worst short games out there, I don't think it would be unreasonable to match his throw range to rose's. After all, he has long arms.
Lastly is his Ultra. It has one invicibility frame on it. Thats all. Just one. Which means people can walk up and throw you after you have used it.....which is a bit ridiculous considering its the lowest damage ultra in the game. So either give it more damage, or give it more invincibilty frames.
Thats it really. There are other small things I would like to see. such as a faster footsie, better drills and a better hitxox for his Super......but those are limitions on the character that I fully understand the need for. The three main ones I listed are reasonable improvements to the character that should be made.
How bout anyone elses character? I know Azza would like a way to combo into Ultra....but then so would I 0 -
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Doctor DooM wrote: »Good question.
Sweep. near useless. Perhaps it should juggle like (shock) ex. That would at least make the risk of using it worth it..
Dunno man. Its first hit is quite quick and has good range. I know you can get stung on the second one by people focusing it and dragon punching it....but I always thought it was quite decent.
Imo they should give guile back his overhead kick. Its still in it, but it doesn't count as an overhead....which is retarded. Agree with the flash kicks and his ultra too. Needs a full connect everytime. there are other characters such as Fei Long and Chun li who miss their ultras too. I'd bet my house on all these being fixed for super. Including yours Guile with a more reliable ultra, Better flash kicks, and a long range overhead is a much better prospect than the current one. 0 -
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Dunno man. Its first hit is quite quick and has good range. I know you can get stung on the second one by people focusing it and dragon punching it....but I always thought it was quite decent.
Imo they should give guile back his overhead kick. Its still in it, but it doesn't count as an overhead....which is retarded. Agree with the flash kicks and his ultra too. Needs a full connect everytime. there are other characters such as Fei Long and Chun li who miss their ultras too. I'd bet my house on all these being fixed for super. Including yours Guile with a more reliable ultra, Better flash kicks, and a long range overhead is a much better prospect than the current one.
Very few Guile players are using the sweep these days... it's kinda frowned upon as a sign of weakness.
It'd be the smallest of my nit picks though. The Ultra being the biggest.
Rem that overhead is just an overhead in HDR. They'll need to change Guile a bit to make it work (remember his target combo thats already overhead, don't think they'd let him keep two,also make it so Guile can flip kick anywhere). Sirlin said there was problems in development with the range of that kick making it an awesome poke by accident.
I think the target combo is one of Guiles best tools so i don't really want that changed.0 -
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Guile
Sweep is awful, and is likely to get Guile eating an Ultra for his trouble currently but I can't see how this would be easy to fix without changing the move entirely.
I'm saying change it completely, it's a useless move in most circumstances as is.Request for an overhead kick seems largely irrelevant as his forward+mp is a good overhead already.
Yarp.Flash kick should own all direct jump in but not stop cross ups on wake up.
I'd be cool with that.Booms, give em more damage but much longer recovery time. There pretty much unpunishable at the moment.
Uh... that's kinda the point of the boom. Otherwise he's a slower Chun Li. You'd be completely changing the character doing this.Ultra should connect better against jumping opponents.
Damn right it should.Make his hitbox wider, a lot of Bison bnb don't work on him or Balrog.
I'll begrudgingly give you that if I can flash kick you out of the skyDictator
1. Fix Pyscho Crusher, its broken as is. Needs faster start up, travel faster, light version should be safe, medium and hard should pass through opponent on block if done close but still be quite unsafe. Probably needs a damage and dizzy buff to make it worth while considering you don't get a great positional advantage and run the risk of cornering yourself.
2. Devils Reverse, change the hitbox of the extension part of the moves so that it crosses up. Also should also have 3 versions, lp version is a short hop, mp travels the same as current, hp goes over opponent to other side. It should also build meter slightly faster than currently.
3. Skull Diver, improved hitbox making it easier to hit opponents and crouching opponents. Side switchable, more dizzy off it.
4. Replace neutral jump medium punch with something useful. One of the worst normals in the game.
5. Slightly improve start up time on c.hp (12 frames is retarded).
6. Slightly faster forward teleport, pretty useless as is, needs 2-3 less recovery frames.
7. Generally speaking his ex.moves are good that you will use them over super. so Super needs to be given a buff to even make it worth consider using it.
8. Ex. Focus attack should crumple opponent for a ultra set up, costs 2 bars of meter and will end scaling the ultra to 50% so it ain't that powerful. I would not mind if Ultra got nerfed slightly in the damage department.
9. Jumping medium kick is an instant overhead.
10. Fake slide.
11. Thailand stage + theme tune+ cape.
Uh... you don't ask for much, do you?
Most charge characters don't pay off with super moves. Something I noticed.0 -
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