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Good self help books??

  • 22-09-2009 11:03pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭


    Hi there,

    Im looking for advice on a good self help book, maybe this post is better suited to Literature section? Not sure.

    Having a bit of a tough time getting over a break up, confidence is lacking, having lots of guilt issues - the usual after a long term relationship.

    Does anyone recommend a good self help book? I am going to go to counselling aswell, just saving the cash for it first!

    Thanks for all replies


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    Eckhart Tolle is quite good, although I hate the terminology he uses. It's just repackaged buddhism really, but made more western and modern.

    Way of the Peaceful Warrior (and the movie) are actually great (semi autobiographical fiction) if you wanted something more entertaining. It's a terrible, terrible name but it's a great book.

    http://www.buddhanet.net has loads of stuff on it for free.

    It depends on what you react to really. I hate the tony robbins power style stuff, but it works for others. Dr. Phil has had a huge effect on someone I know...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 751 ✭✭✭Colonel_McCoy


    The secret


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 717 ✭✭✭Porkpie


    OP, I went through a self help phase years ago and read many books. Tbh, I found most of them of little help and rather impractical. One book that I would highly recommend though, is Cognitive Behavioural Therapy for dummies. It has loads of no-nonsense practical information about improving confidence and overcoming anxiety amongst many other things. The book has exercises and progress charts which really make you feel like you're making progress. Anyone I've lent the book to has got something out of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Read SHAM (Self-help and actualization movement) by Steve salerno about how the gurus of the self-help movement make people helpless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    John Bradshaw - Homecoming.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    The Feeling Good Handbook - Think it's by Dr. David Burns. Practical advice and exercises for you to do regarding confidence, getting things done, communication and how you view yourself.

    I'd avoid the likes of the Secret. Waste of money and time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭Wurly


    Your Erroneous Zones by Dr. Wayne W Dyer.

    It's incredible - the only self help book you'll ever need. It encompasses everything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭scanlas


    A New Earth by Eckhart Tolle. A must read for anyone. You'll learn how to manage your emotions and enjoy the richness of life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭lilmissprincess


    "Its called a Breakup because its broken"
    Greg Behrendt


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    The secret

    The biggest load of codswallop I've ever had the misfortune to get half way thro. Take this quote on page 65...
    "I would visualize a parking space exactly where I wanted it, and 95% of the time it would be there for me and I would just pull straight in"

    Try doing that at my work place a 9am any morning. Utter tripe.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Hi OP,

    Yeah a break up can be heart wrenching, and you do need all the emotional support you can get,

    I have come through feeling deep- dark -painful -lonely- tormented- moments and i now have the inner skills to deal with when the hard times come, cept now i dont look at them as hard times because i understand life that bit more,

    Anyway, i did a few years in therapy which greatly helped a therapist will really help you finds the words to acknowledge your pain at the right pace for you,

    And when i was young and all alone and had no one my self help books were my best friends. I used to carry one in my handbag just for security because it was my own mind that was driving me mad and i would keep reading the sense they made and then i would get some relief. Im not a great reader of novels I am a visual being but i couldnt get enough of these self help books.


    This was my list and bear in mind i am female because i think it differs for men and women which books they are attracted to.

    1. FEEL THE FEAR AND DO IT ANYWAY, SUSAN JEFFERS
    2. YOU CAN HEAL YOUR LIFE, LOUISE HAY
    3. THE SECRET, RHONDA BYRNE- although the dvd is better!
    4. A NEW EARTH, ECKHART TOLLE, although the online webinar event he did of each chapter on Oprah.com was much better for me.
    5. THE INSTRUCTION, AINSLIE MC CLOUD, his book was mad it tells you your soul age and highlights your life purpose. It is written from his spirit guides in the spirit world. He is also on Oprah's soul series in the interviews on Oprah.com.
    6. DR WAYNE DYER, he has a radio slot on hayhouseradio.com for free and he is very good at communicating and getting points across, again he is on Oprah's souls series in an interview, and you can get all of the stuff on Oprah's souls series free on itunes or to download, i have an i touch and download all the interviews onto it for free, so when im on the bus i just watch it, amazing the technology!



    Understanding yourself on a deeper level brings a deeper sense of existence, very often when something goes wrong in life we fret and think it is a bad thing, when i look back now all the bad things that happened led to this time i am in now, it was the making of me as a person.


    Best of luck OP, well done for getting the support you need, All will be well, XX


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    Weird as it sounds there's some good in not liking some of it too! It's always good to say 'no that's rubbish, I'm going to do THIS!' and follow your own course. The most important (I'm beginning to think) thing is to be open minded to things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭BumbleB


    I like the diving bell and the butterfly .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭deathstarkiller


    Just read Yes Man by Danny Wallace. Entertaining and for me really shook my life up for the better. Just say Yes more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭JackieO


    +1 for "Its called break-up because its broken".

    Its a great book to help you realise that you are better off without the person you have broken up with. Its also quite amusing to read aswell.

    His other book - "He's just not that into you" is equally as good.

    I read both together during a break-up and they helped me to cop on to myself!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭Lana80


    Shakti Gawain 'creative visualisation' or 'living in the light' are very good.
    There are so many out there.I think if you just have look in a bookshop/library at them you'll know the right one for you.Good luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭missmatty


    I'm not usually a fan of self-help books but 'The Road Less Travelled' by M. Scott Peck was one I read years ago and it made a lot of sense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭miec


    Hi Op

    I used to be a huge fan of self help books and at this stage have read around 50 or more, I've lost count, so for me I am all self helped out, but there are a few that I have and will keep forever. The book that changed my way of thinking and looking at life and processing painful aspects of life was 'The road less travelled' by M. Scott Peck, he is considered to be the founder of self help books, but it is grounded in reality. Another one is called 'Awareness' by Anthony de Mello, I would also recommend the CDs for this, they are called Wake up to Life. I struggled iniatially with both of these authors and that can often be a good sign that they are having an effect. Tolle is another one, although aspects of his stuff annoy me as well.

    The thing is Op, a self help book will go so far and it will help you on your journey so far, but you have to take that journey and go through the pain of what you are experiencing, whether it is a breakup, bereavement, loss of any type. The reason I love the Road less travelled is because it opens up with 'life is difficult' and then he adds that once you accept this (easier said than done) life becomes manageable, and that has been my experience. Another beautiful book that I have just recalled is The prophet by Kahil Gibran, it is poetic self help, and you can get it free on the internet, just google his name and the prophet and you will get it. Anyhow I hope any of the suggestions given here on this thread will help you,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Hi guys,

    OP here, thank you so much for all replies!!!

    Have had a look at Its called break-up because its broken and the road less travelled which i hope will help me.

    Its the guilt i cant deal with, we broke up because of me and im really struggling getting my head around the fact i lost the love of my life, for nothing!

    Really hope i can see light at the end of the tunnell...... and soon!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭scanlas


    miec wrote: »
    Hi Op

    I used to be a huge fan of self help books and at this stage have read around 50 or more, I've lost count, so for me I am all self helped out, but there are a few that I have and will keep forever. The book that changed my way of thinking and looking at life and processing painful aspects of life was 'The road less travelled' by M. Scott Peck, he is considered to be the founder of self help books, but it is grounded in reality. Another one is called 'Awareness' by Anthony de Mello, I would also recommend the CDs for this, they are called Wake up to Life. I struggled iniatially with both of these authors and that can often be a good sign that they are having an effect. Tolle is another one, although aspects of his stuff annoy me as well.

    The thing is Op, a self help book will go so far and it will help you on your journey so far, but you have to take that journey and go through the pain of what you are experiencing, whether it is a breakup, bereavement, loss of any type. The reason I love the Road less travelled is because it opens up with 'life is difficult' and then he adds that once you accept this (easier said than done) life becomes manageable, and that has been my experience. Another beautiful book that I have just recalled is The prophet by Kahil Gibran, it is poetic self help, and you can get it free on the internet, just google his name and the prophet and you will get it. Anyhow I hope any of the suggestions given here on this thread will help you,

    What stuff by Tolle annoys you?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭BumbleB


    yeah awareness is a savage book ,puts a lot in perspective.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    scanlas wrote: »
    What stuff by Tolle annoys you?

    In my case, it's the fact he really has just taken Buddhism and obstructed/complicated some of the principles. (to my mind)

    However it is great that there aren't as many religious overtones to his stuff. There's too much 'pain body' jargon and some of the stuff is actually cringing. Universal consciousness experiencing itself etc... not great. BUT the thing is he is presenting it in a new way, it's not ideal for me I think 2500 years of Buddhists refining meditation practice and changing it country to country has got it right FOR ME.

    It's just preference and criticism really at the end of the day, but he does come across as arrogant sometimes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭scanlas


    In my case, it's the fact he really has just taken Buddhism and obstructed/complicated some of the principles. (to my mind)

    However it is great that there aren't as many religious overtones to his stuff. There's too much 'pain body' jargon and some of the stuff is actually cringing. Universal consciousness experiencing itself etc... not great. BUT the thing is he is presenting it in a new way, it's not ideal for me I think 2500 years of Buddhists refining meditation practice and changing it country to country has got it right FOR ME.

    It's just preference and criticism really at the end of the day, but he does come across as arrogant sometimes.

    I agree that some of the terms he uses can be very confusing to people, I'd like to ask him what he actually means by "vibrational frequency". I look past that though because the core of what he teaches has dramatically improved my life, I can relate to most of what he teaches. I can see the ego in myself and feel it's "pain body". The "pain body" refers to the bad emotion created by your ego. For example, when driving and some beeps at you I used to feel a sudden urge to retaliate by beeping back, or if someone insulted me I would feel the urge to insult them back due to the bad emotion their insult would cause in me. Now I'm pretty close to insult proof, and when I do feel the bad emotion caused by the ego I observe at it and become amused by it, it then dissapears.

    As a result of his book I don't experience that vague background feeling of not being "good enough" that most people feel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    scanlas wrote: »
    I agree that some of the terms he uses can be very confusing to people, I'd like to ask him what he actually means by "vibrational frequency". I look past that though because the core of what he teaches has dramatically improved my life, I can relate to most of what he teaches. I can see the ego in myself and feel it's "pain body". The "pain body" refers to the bad emotion created by your ego. For example, when driving and some beeps at you I used to feel a sudden urge to retaliate by beeping back, or if someone insulted me I would feel the urge to insult them back due to the bad emotion their insult would cause in me. Now I'm pretty close to insult proof, and when I do feel the bad emotion caused by the ego I observe at it and become amused by it, it then dissapears.

    As a result of his book I don't experience that vague background feeling of not being "good enough" that most people feel.

    I'm certainly not looking to attack or review his stuff. It's a great core message and may open people to some of its ideas which they can persue which is great. The thing is I think, different things get through to different people and as I said an OPEN MIND is so important, if you hate it try someone / something else.

    Power of Now / a new earth aren't a bad starting point for anyone. I like Dan Millman since he writes it as Fiction but pulls in the same ego/buddhism concepts really into a narrative form and that kept ME reading.

    All good though!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Hi ,

    I love Eckhart Tolle, I think his teachings have connected with me the most, I often look to the life story of the writer and this usually makes me pick up the book, I related to Eckhart in that i was suicidal and depressed and mentally tortured from my beliefs, He was the first person to show me that this could be overcome, and his books really guided me,

    "Vibrational frequency" to me is energy, like even a table has an energy, a human, a tree, a pile of rubbish, the sun,
    us as humans will be giving off a frequency of energy in the context of the world around us this can be seen as a collective energy of our time, if you can be positive from the inside out your frequency will be projected this way and other similar frequencies can be drawn together.

    Also Louise Hay was a big one for me because she overcame an abusive childhood, and i feel hearing peoples stories gives me the greatest perspective and inspiration.

    Oprah is another role model and as a female i think seeing strong women in society is inspiring, Like obama will be having a simlilar effect for black people around the world. Most times we need outside dialogue to change our views,

    I couldnt believe how adopting Eckhart Tolle's mind set change my mind set, and all the pain and torture i was experiencing left just because i changed my belief system,

    Words can heal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    The Alchemist by Paulo Coelho is a really really good book be sure to read it at some stage. I found it great for finding a direction and really made me think about who i am and what i want of life. Really inspirational stuff.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 642 ✭✭✭Kalashnikov_Kid


    Eckhart Tolle - The Power of Now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Splendour


    The Bible. The Psalms especially would be good for you at the moment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 151 ✭✭LittleKitty


    change your life in 7 days- paul mckenna.

    dose not exatly do what it says on the tin, but dose make you think about things in a differnt way.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭jiltloop


    "Awareness" by Anthony De Mello if you really want to drastically shake up your whole way of thinking. Makes a whole lot of sense but is quite hard to really implement into everyday life because of how much change it would inherently involve.
    I would love to acheive what the book is trying to get you to acheive but it's easier said than done. Suffice to say that if you could take this book completely on board then your relationship woes would be non-existant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Eckert Tolle A New earth is one I would highly recommend, and there are a whole set of web-classes going through each chapter where oprah asks Eckert questions to simplify things...really interesting. The road less travelled is great, and anything by Louise Hay.
    I hope you find comfort in these books.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭skooterblue


    I like most books by Paul Mc Kenna


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭Badboy1977


    Howdy:

    I used to read quite a bit of self help books as I used to suffer from depression. While, I have my bouts of melancholy -overall Im generally content. Anyway, I dont want to go into a psychological history but to talk about these books.

    It was a mixture of these books/counselling/maturity/ events that got me out of the depression but like a lot of people, I feel my life could move up a gear. I have therefore taken out one of the self help books I kept. Im just not sure about it, because while the books helped in the past to give me a wider perspective ,I still feel Im the Worlds greatest procrastinator!
    The books usually propel me into a hive of activity that quickly disappears. What I got from these books in the past was better mind management-I keep out the majority of negative thoughts I have and dont compare myself to others as much. But Im still something of a procrastinator!
    Has anyone read a self help book and have they got anything from them? Besides above.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17 kieranoduill


    Maximum Achievement - Brian Tracy


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭Badboy1977


    Maximum Achievement - Brian Tracy


    Did you make many changes in your life because of this book? Did they stick? How long ago did you read it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭Agent J


    I've seen a few suggestions recommending the secret.

    I must strongly recommend people avoid it. In a fit of curosity to see why people were complaining/talking about it i bought it and read it.

    I dont think i have to work to finish a book so hard in my life.

    The basic premise is not a secret and is in short a poor "Quick Fix" solution which solves nothing and will leave you probably feeling worse and 10/15 euro less well off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭sunnyside


    "What should I do with my life?" by Po Bronson.

    Burnt Toast by Teri Hatcher (from Desperate Housewives)

    Eat, Pray, Love by Elizabeth Gilbert


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭sunnyside


    Agent J wrote: »
    I've seen a few suggestions recommending the secret.

    I must strongly recommend people avoid it. In a fit of curosity to see why people were complaining/talking about it i bought it and read it.

    I dont think i have to work to finish a book so hard in my life.

    The basic premise is not a secret and is in short a poor "Quick Fix" solution which solves nothing and will leave you probably feeling worse and 10/15 euro less well off.

    Not sure I agree, it encourages positive thinking instead of negative which is good. The reality is that there is no one self-help book that suits everyone. I have a big collection of such books. I find that just dipping into them as opposed to reading from cover to cover like a textbook can be motivational if I'm feeling down and they are relatively cheap to buy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    "Pull your own strings" by Dr Wayne Dyer.
    Ill never forget the day I started reading that book. I was in 5th year in school and I was really down in the dumps and had zero self confidence. The next day I walked into school and you would not believe the reaction I got. All of a sudden, literally over night, people treated me differently. It was as if they could smell the confidence off me.
    Classmates and teachers alike. I was chuffed.
    Alas, it didnt last and I soon reverted back to my old ways, but its a day Ill never forget.
    Im currently trying to track down that book again to give me a kickstart, I need one.
    Highly recommend it OP.


    Also, Tony Buzan has helped Olympic athletes win Gold before with his techniques so thats another guy Id take note of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭Agent J


    sunnyside wrote: »
    Not sure I agree, it encourages positive thinking instead of negative which is good.

    Oh i have no problem with the idea of the power of positive thinking.
    If thats all it was i wouldnt have an active issue about it.

    However it fails to mention and almost discourages actually working towards ones goals as well as pretty much saying that if things are going wrong it must be what the person is thinking fault. The attempt at trying to use quantum mechanics to justify their position as well is laughable.

    Although if we do end up in a zombie apolcolapse. That is my total bad..

    "Ask, believe,Receive"
    They skipped the part about needing to actually do something to make it happen.

    But hey, if you've managed to take something worthwhile out of it. Fair play. I would just strongly put a health hazard on that book.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Hi OP,

    On the question of has anyone got anything out of them, I would have to say they saved my life anyways.

    I was in a dark place in my early 20's my family was very dysfunctional my parents had abused me physically sexually and mentally, i believed in all of my families beliefs systems and the ones i was taught in school, when i got my first self help book.... Feel the Fear and do it Anyway, it was the first time i had an outside view, it was the first time i became aware of myself and the power we had ourselves, it led me down a path of healing, I was so lonely on my own but these books were like my best friends, i just embraced the empowerment they gave me.

    I went through a difficult period of intense anxiety and panic and i was too afraid to go on anti depressants, i would carry a self help book in my bag with me and it gave me security, like i was holding onto the reality inside my bag because the reality in my family was so distorted but i was believing in it.


    Anyway, Last yeah i read and completed the on line webinar of Eckhart Tolles A NEW EARTH it changed my world for ever, understanding the power of the present moment truly set me free, when he explained how he existed in this world it was kind of like the permission i needed to live my way too,

    like i was beating myself up badly because i had a belief that if you didnt get up in the morning and go out into the day that you were a failure as a person, I was exhausted after years of surviving and not really living, so i decided to accept myself. I accepted who i was and how i was in my natural state. It truly set me free and my life got so much better, I am very independent and i work from home now, i realized i just loved being at home, i now wake up every morning happy, dont know if that made any sense but self help books can really help change your belief systems to ones that are more positive and uplifting.


    I dont really buy any other books other than the self help books i have, like if i want a novel i watch a DVD, and the self help books i kind of use as reference guides now, I dont feel you have to read a self help book from back to front, you can flick through and let the law of attraction bring you to what you need to know, I also find since i have had a computer that the links you can find of the authors live on you tube or on hay house radio are easier to absorb, what is really amazing though is that the information can be got easily now a days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭Badboy1977


    Hi OP,

    On the question of has anyone got anything out of them, I would have to say they saved my life anyways.

    I was in a dark place in my early 20's my family was very dysfunctional my parents had abused me physically sexually and mentally, i believed in all of my families beliefs systems and the ones i was taught in school, when i got my first self help book.... Feel the Fear and do it Anyway, it was the first time i had an outside view, it was the first time i became aware of myself and the power we had ourselves, it led me down a path of healing, I was so lonely on my own but these books were like my best friends, i just embraced the empowerment they gave me.

    I went through a difficult period of intense anxiety and panic and i was too afraid to go on anti depressants, i would carry a self help book in my bag with me and it gave me security, like i was holding onto the reality inside my bag because the reality in my family was so distorted but i was believing in it.


    Anyway, Last yeah i read and completed the on line webinar of Eckhart Tolles A NEW EARTH it changed my world for ever, understanding the power of the present moment truly set me free, when he explained how he existed in this world it was kind of like the permission i needed to live my way too,

    like i was beating myself up badly because i had a belief that if you didnt get up in the morning and go out into the day that you were a failure as a person, I was exhausted after years of surviving and not really living, so i decided to accept myself. I accepted who i was and how i was in my natural state. It truly set me free and my life got so much better, I am very independent and i work from home now, i realized i just loved being at home, i now wake up every morning happy, dont know if that made any sense but self help books can really help change your belief systems to ones that are more positive and uplifting.


    I dont really buy any other books other than the self help books i have, like if i want a novel i watch a DVD, and the self help books i kind of use as reference guides now, I dont feel you have to read a self help book from back to front, you can flick through and let the law of attraction bring you to what you need to know, I also find since i have had a computer that the links you can find of the authors live on you tube or on hay house radio are easier to absorb, what is really amazing though is that the information can be got easily now a days.


    That's a great post. You should join full time (the site). Im just curious if you have had any relationships? You sound as if you have passed through a storm and out the other end,so Im just curious if you have managed to trust people far enough to have a relationship?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭Badboy1977


    Thanks for all the posts. I will try to stick with the book. My Book is by Anthony Robbins: Release The Giant Within.The title is a bit off putting/grandiose but the book itself is quite detailed and the material workable. I have read Eckhart Tolles but I find his style long winded. Basically (in my view) there is a huge amount of repetition in all these books. The idea that your thoughts have a physical effect -that they on their own alter reality-is of course straight from the Bible.

    If you think you are confident-you obviously will be but as for having some effect on other people .by some sort of mind control is just not credible. The most that happens is that you are tuned into all the fortuitous events that occur to us daily. Most of which are random.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭BumbleB


    Agent J wrote: »
    I've seen a few suggestions recommending the secret.

    I must strongly recommend people avoid it. In a fit of curosity to see why people were complaining/talking about it i bought it and read it.

    I dont think i have to work to finish a book so hard in my life.

    The basic premise is not a secret and is in short a poor "Quick Fix" solution which solves nothing and will leave you probably feeling worse and 10/15 euro less well off.

    I don't really agree with the opinion thats its a bad book .If youre a typical irish sceptic or looking for a quick fix this book isn't for you .

    We have an unconcious and a concious mind if you are following what the secret says you will be allowing it to sink into the unconcious mind and thats where things happen.

    Personally I'm a very strong believer in the mind shaping reality because everything I've ever dreamed about has resulted in a chain of events that brought about the result .Its weird but if you analyse any big achievement you have ,there will always be a chain of events that brought it to reality.

    I also used to live with a housemate who had a negative attitude towards life and bad stuff was always happening to him,even his stereo was robbed from car ,when I had a better one in my car .The other 3 people in the house were very uplifting people and life always worked out very well for them.

    Everything really begins with a thought ,a dream and then a follow through.I remember a quote from lady ga ga where she said I lived in an apartment and all I had was decks, a keyboard and a dream.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭Badboy1977


    BumbleB wrote: »
    I don't really agree with the opinion thats its a bad book .If youre a typical irish sceptic or looking for a quick fix this book isn't for you .

    We have an unconcious and a concious mind if you are following what the secret says you will be allowing it to sink into the unconcious mind and thats where things happen.

    Personally I'm a very strong believer in the mind shaping reality because everything I've ever dreamed about has resulted in a chain of events that brought about the result .Its weird but if you analyse any big achievement you have ,there will always be a chain of events that brought it to reality.

    I also used to live with a housemate who had a negative attitude towards life and bad stuff was always happening to him,even his stereo was robbed from car ,when I had a better one in my car .The other 3 people in the house were very uplifting people and life always worked out very well for them.

    Everything really begins with a thought ,a dream and then a follow through.I remember a quote from lady ga ga where she said I lived in an apartment and all I had was decks, a keyboard and a dream.
    I do agree with you that a positive attitude to life is important and you are more open to opportunities than a person with a negative one. You are right also about achievements starting as dreams-they all do. However where I part company with you is this insane notion(in my opinion) that people attract bad luck or attract good luck by some super natural force. Is there any scientific study to prove that? What about people-children-who get cancer. A child will hardly have thought of getting it? Perhaps, Im being extreme with my example ,but you get idea Im sure.
    You must have had Bad luck -bad luck that you didn't expect or never even worried about. Often its the things that we didnt worry about that really blind sides us. I dont put down bad events to bad luck-they are just events. Random. Stuff happens as they say!
    Lucky people are often hard working people it must be added.

    I have not read the Secret itself so I wont comment on the book.
    Im not trying to attack you if thats the impression I might give. Did you make any ling lasting changes in your life as a result of reading this book?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭Agent J


    BumbleB wrote: »
    I don't really agree with the opinion thats its a bad book .If youre a typical irish sceptic or looking for a quick fix this book isn't for you .
    Everything really begins with a thought ,a dream and then a follow through.I remember a quote from lady ga ga where she said I lived in an apartment and all I had was decks, a keyboard and a dream.

    I'd love to sit down over a pint and really go through that one.
    I aint a typical Irish Skeptic by any means. ;)

    There is no follow through with the secret. Thats the problem! No work, no effort. Just as they call it "Catalogue shopping" with no effort involved what soever. I have no problem and would fully encourage a positive attitude, glass half full and all that jazz.

    Got cancer? Thats because you thought about it.
    Hit by a car? Thats because you tuned your brain to the "Getting hit by a car" frequency instead of the "Get a new car" frequency.

    You have dreams. Great! Really happy for you. (Seriously). Are you willing to work for those dreams( Id bet so). Great!

    Not according to the secret. The effort of working towards a goal is accepting that you dont already live that dream therefore you dont really believe it therefore you wont get it.

    Having said that if you dont believe that dreams require work/effort to achieve then we are just going to have to agree to disaggre.

    I do recognise a scam when i see one and thats what the "Secret" is. Take a quick wander over to Amazon and put "The secret" in it and see how many related products there are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭BumbleB


    Badboy1977 wrote: »



    I have not read the Secret itself so I wont comment on the book.
    Im not trying to attack you if thats the impression I might give. Did you make any ling lasting changes in your life as a result of reading this book?

    No offence taken, I know, that you have a point of view that is very different to mine and more closely aligned with the masses.

    I haven't read the book either, I dont need to, its about the law of attraction ,i've watched the video and it's tripe but the basic message is good.

    No it wasn't life changing because I'm in a really good place now.
    I wasn't always though I dont want to go into it because it is very lengthy.Nowadays I'm usually prepared for anything even this big freeze , I had wellingtons ,bought a big winter coat last year ,bought tonnes of canned food in November in anticipation of something like this.And right now at this moment in time I feel my whole life is stabilised everything is going to plan.I have state control down to a tee now and I have a totally optimistic view on life.

    Incidentally every house on my road has no water but I do ,cant explain that one and neither could the plumber ?.

    I do know a girl she's a really good singer she read the secret and it inspired her to go to x factor and as a result she landed a record deal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭Agent J


    BumbleB wrote: »
    I haven't read the book either, I dont need to, its about the law of attraction ,i've watched the video and it's tripe but the basic message is good.

    I do know a girl she's a really good singer she read the secret and it inspired her to go to x factor and as a result she landed a record deal.

    Causality doesnt not imply implication. For every little story like im damn sure there are more about disspointed people who didnt get what they wanted and had no one but their own thoughts to blame.

    Go and read the secret, Buy it 2nd hand.. Read it all. Finish it and get back to me.
    Its basic message is not good when you delve into its methology.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 679 ✭✭✭Wizard007


    As some above, I would say stay away from the Secret. I was given the book almost three years ago after my son died in a car accident and it did my head in. I tryed reading it again last year and also did my head in.

    A book I loved and helped me get out of bed many mornings was Og Mandino - A Better Way To Live. It is about his journey to success from alcoholism. There is so so much to be gained from it. A person need not be an alcoholic or have an addiction to read it, I was just in severely heartbroken. After reading it going to bed several times, I got into the habit of just opening it randomly every morning as I sat on the edge of the bed begging God to give me the will and strength to get through the day.

    It helped hugely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭oil painting


    I also think that the question is quite broad because everyone finds and digests information differently, like some people are attracted to psychics tarot cards angels, spirit guides, etc then authors like Eckhart Tolle, Wayne dyer, de mello etc

    i feel it is worth making the point that 'the secret' may be the first self help book that someone may pick up and it may be right for them at that time, just because someone is not as academic or is reading better books does not mean that the outcome is not the same because anyone making spiritual growth is making progress and surely that is the main thing.


    What i got out of the secret was understanding about the basics of the law of attraction, i liked doing the vision boards, it made me see how to take responsibility for my thoughts and what i was 'putting out' there, i dont take self help books as gospel i got a few things out of the secret and then i moved onto the next thing for me to learn,

    It was also interesting that Esther and Jerry Hicks the couple of the law of attraction, did not take part in the making of the secret, they did in the beginning but pulled out because they did not support the way the secret was selling a materialistic message. Also Wayne dyer pulled out. But they have both said that the secret has made people more conscious of the law of attraction on a global basis which was a positive thing.

    Rhonda Byrne the author of the secret is not a trained spiritualist, she is someone who just pulled information together from different corners of the world, many of the people she got to participate were good people imo and the book opened up people to further books on similar topics, i find Esther and Gerry hicks's book the law of attraction has a deeper message.


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