ICC Champions Trophy

Beasty · 22-09-2009 7:54pm #1

Looks like rain will curtail the first match, with SA 206-7 chasing SL's 319-8. SA are heading for a hefty defeat, which will count against them on the net run rate.

SA play against NZ on Thursday, and with the chance of further thunderstorms it may become a bit of a lottery, which could count against SA.

A little ironic that SA were awarded this competition ahead of England primarily because of concerns over the English weather.

Next match is Pakistan v WI - another day-nighter tomorrow

Beasty · 22-09-2009 8:51pm

No further play, and SL win by 55 runs under D/L

Dozen Wicked Words · 24-09-2009 10:52am

Pakistan managed to scrape a win against a WIndies second XI (well they won easily enough but the run chase was a bit jittery). Some beamer Tino Best bowled as well, one of the "better" ones I have seen.

The Kiwis were going great early on against South Africa but have run out of steam a bit near the end, they are 209-8 after 46, not sure they will make 230 now.

Love tournaments in South Africa because of the small time difference.

NZ now 213-9, still in 46th over.

Beasty · 24-09-2009 11:09am

dooferoaks wrote: »

Pakistan managed to scrape a win against a WIndies second XI (well they won easily enough but the run chase was a bit jittery). Some beamer Tino Best bowled as well, one of the "better" ones I have seen.

The Kiwis were going great early on against South Africa but have run out of steam a bit near the end, they are 209-8 after 46, not sure they will make 230 now.

Love tournaments in South Africa because of the small time difference.

NZ now 213-9, still in 46th over.

All out for 214

Makes it interesting if NZ can pull it off, as SA will then be vitually out of the tournament (they would need to beat England, England to beat NZ, and lose to SL, and NZ to also lose to SL, and then have the better a run-rate than England and NZ)

Looks like a decent pitch for spinners, and this may come down to how well Vettori can bowl

Judgement Day · 24-09-2009 11:39am

I had a quick punt on NZ not to make 228 - a close run thing at the end - glad I could only watch scores on laptop instead of live footage.

Dozen Wicked Words · 24-09-2009 2:56pm

South Africa win by 5 wickets with 8 overs left to spare. Fairly comfortable.

Royale with Cheese · 25-09-2009 12:55pm

England have Sri Lanka at 17/3. What the fúck is going on?

KevIRL · 25-09-2009 12:58pm

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

England have Sri Lanka at 17/3. What the fúck is going on?

Another one down now. 18/4

Match fixing obv :pac:

Beasty · 25-09-2009 2:17pm

Now 95/5 after 21.5 overs. Anderson and Onions did the initial damage with 2 wickets each

Marshy · 25-09-2009 4:32pm

Looks like a probable England win, 213 to win.

Beasty · 25-09-2009 7:21pm

151-3 after 34 overs. 62, which is less than 4 an over required. Morgan 37no and Shah 39no

Beasty · 25-09-2009 8:06pm

England 213-4 win with 5 overs to spare. Morgan top scores with 62no

f1dan · 25-09-2009 8:36pm

Nice knock from Morgan. Hardly a chance of a call up to the test squad for SA?

rednik · 25-09-2009 8:40pm

Morgan played a very good game but unless there are injuries he will find it hard to break into the test squad.

Dozen Wicked Words · 25-09-2009 10:02pm

Was working all day so missed it, but cracking result, big suprise, looks like Morgan is getting his feet under the one day table at least.

2 games tomorrow so got my day planned!

rich1874 · 25-09-2009 10:31pm

Some knock by Morgan. I really thought Sri Lanka were safe with 200 odd, given the strength of their bowling and England's woeful batting displays in recent weeks. Mendis was particularly disappointing. Quiet a shock. The ICC trophy is always a wierd one, just when a team begins to look dominant they succumb to an ordinary defeat.

ASTRACLUB · 25-09-2009 10:42pm

wait guys
the big one is tomorrow.
as they say....mother of all the matches!

watch out
India vs Pakistan
TV is saying that approx 2 Billion people (india, pakistan, australia, england, USA, nz, SA) will watch this game live

rich1874 · 25-09-2009 10:52pm

Should be a good one alright. I'd say Pakistan's bowling will give them the edge. The pitch should suit the sharp spin of Afridi. There should be some TV attendance alright.

Dinarius · 26-09-2009 8:09am

Outrageous that Morgan wasn't awarded Man of the Match.

Though I have to say he's not the prettiest to watch, is he? Very much a ones and twos scratcher. No sixes and, of his four fours, only one looked convincing (to mid-off) and even it might have been caught on anther day.

Also, went fishing and missing outside off stump on numerous occasions (and you knew that he knew it from the expression on his face) but was lucky that he didn't find the edge on this occasion.

Still, glad he topscored and glad he's now established. So, who goes when Pietersen returns?

India v Pakistan is probably the biggest international sporting showdown of the year.

D.

Edited: Any WI fan who saw Mitchell Johnston being given Not Out, for a caught behind off an edge that could be heard in the next town, must be feeling sick as a parrott. The sooner this game enters the 21st century and gives the umpires the same view as the game as everyone that's watching it on TV, the better. Any chance that the WI had in this game went out the window after that atrocious decision. Tennis does a brilliant job of eliminating human error. There is no reason why cricket can't do the same.

Beasty · 27-09-2009 11:32am

Great performance by NZ 315/7 with useful knocks from Ryder (74), Gupthill (66), Vettori (48) and McCullum (46), with Franklin 28no.

Only SL have scored more in the tournament so far (319/8 v SA), and it does look a tall order for them to repeat this

rich1874 · 27-09-2009 12:07pm

Morgan keeping wicket in the SA game? haha

Beasty · 27-09-2009 12:44pm

rich1874 wrote: »

Morgan keeping wicket in the SA game? haha

Prior is ill, and Collingwood is needed for his bowling. It's a good opportunity for Morgan. He is a decent fielder, and if he can do well keeping wicket it will make him more likely to get into ODI squads in particular

Beasty · 27-09-2009 3:20pm

England are batting well. 253/3 after 42 with Collingwood on 79 and Morgan 21. Shah fell just short of a hundred (98), with a run rate of 111%. I guess they will be looking for something around 320

Beasty · 27-09-2009 3:38pm

SL all out for 277 and lose to NZ by 37 runs. This means SL are reliant on England beating both SA and NZ, and hoping they end up with a better run rate than both (as all 3 would then be on 2 points)

Marshy · 27-09-2009 4:05pm

Great batting from England, makes you wonder what happened in the Australia series.

Morgan was brilliant, scored at 2 runs a ball and was the difference between a good total of 280-290 and the 320 odd they got, a very stiff target for SA, albeit on what seems to be a very flat deck.

Dozen Wicked Words · 27-09-2009 8:32pm

Well, unbelievable. England have been awesome again. All through the middle overs, right to the end. Another cracking knock by Morgan and a decent performance behind the stumps.

Someone is putting something new in their coffee.

Oh, and looks Like South Africa are heading out of the tournament, they needed 314 to stand any chance at all of staying in it.

Beasty · 27-09-2009 8:39pm

SA 301/9. England win by 22 runs, and SA are eliminated. Tremendous all-round performance by England, with all the batsmen delivering useful runs, and none of the bowlers letting the team down. Morgan must have cemented his place in the one day team

England qualify for the Semis:), where they will be joined by SL (if England beat NZ) or NZ (if they beat England)

Dinarius · 28-09-2009 6:05am

Great performance by England.

Methinks that a guy accepting Man of the Match with an Irish accent is too much to bear, so it's unlikely to happen.

Substituting Shah because he's a crap fielder leaves a bad taste in the mouth and is something that England are too fond of. Here's a suggestion for a rule change:

In test cricket, if you bring on a substitute fielder, you lose the use of the original player for that entire innings. He may return in the next innings.

In one day cricket, if you bring on a substitute fielder, you lose the use of that player for the rest of the match. (In order not to lose a batsman, he would be permitted the use of a runner)

This rule change would have made no difference last night since England had batted first and Strauss was glad to see Shah back in the dressing room. But, if they were fielding first, he would only have been able to dump him if he was willing to let him use a runner when they batted.

Such a rule change would stop the soft cheating that the likes of Strauss are very prone to.

D.

Ps. Strauss denying Smith a runner will come back to haunt him.

Beasty · 28-09-2009 7:42am

Dinarius wrote: »

Substituting Shah because he's a crap fielder leaves a bad taste in the mouth and is something that England are too fond of.batsman

Ps. Strauss denying Smith a runner will come back to haunt him.

Didn't see the match (was relying on text feeds, as I am currently sat in a hotel in Sao Paulo:D), hence not sure of exact circumstances surrounding the "substitution"

However my view is the rules cater for this. They simply need to be enforced. You are only allowed a substitute if you suffer an injury during the match. If Shah was genuinely injured, he could be substituted - I have no problm with that. If he was not, the umpires should not have allowed it (and Smith could have objected)

In the case of Smith, I presume the argument for not allowing a runner was it was not an injury, simply lack of fitness (I understand he was suffering with cramp). Again it is both within the laws, and common practice, to deny a runner in these circumstances. It is really up to each player to ensure they are fit before the match, and any team picking a player who is not fully match fit are taking a risk, as substitutes are not allowed in such cicumstances.

Dozen Wicked Words · 28-09-2009 8:57am

Dinarius wrote: »

Great performance by England.

Methinks that a guy accepting Man of the Match with an Irish accent is too much to bear, so it's unlikely to happen.

Substituting Shah because he's a crap fielder leaves a bad taste in the mouth and is something that England are too fond of. Here's a suggestion for a rule change:

In test cricket, if you bring on a substitute fielder, you lose the use of the original player for that entire innings. He may return in the next innings.

In one day cricket, if you bring on a substitute fielder, you lose the use of that player for the rest of the match. (In order not to lose a batsman, he would be permitted the use of a runner)

This rule change would have made no difference last night since England had batted first and Strauss was glad to see Shah back in the dressing room. But, if they were fielding first, he would only have been able to dump him if he was willing to let him use a runner when they batted.

Such a rule change would stop the soft cheating that the likes of Strauss are very prone to.

D.

Ps. Strauss denying Smith a runner will come back to haunt him.

Ridiculous to thing the ICC (and by your insinuation ECB?) care about accents of players. If Morgan carries on playing like he has the last few ODIs he will get a MotM award.

All teams liberally use the substitute fielder, not just England. Whether it should change or not is irrelevant for this tournament, all teams are playing within current rules.

Strauss is now being made out a cheat, while against Sri Lanka, when he bought a batsmen back, who would never have made his ground even if there was no bowler in the way, he was called too sporting.

Smith himself has never been a bastion of sportsmanship anyway so I hope he enjoys watching another home tournament from his couch.

Dozen Wicked Words · 28-09-2009 12:02pm

Aus v India should be a cracker of a game today. Two teams that don't have much love for each other, using the same track as yesterday so maybe we are in for a high scorer?

Marshy · 28-09-2009 6:57pm

Beasty wrote: »

In the case of Smith, I presume the argument for not allowing a runner was it was not an injury, simply lack of fitness (I understand he was suffering with cramp). Again it is both within the laws, and common practice, to deny a runner in these circumstances. It is really up to each player to ensure they are fit before the match, and any team picking a player who is not fully match fit are taking a risk, as substitutes are not allowed in such cicumstances.

I've certainly seen batsmen being permitted runners before though when they had cramp. Rightly or wrongly it did seem quite ruthless of Strauss to deny Smith. Perhaps it was a reaction to the run out incident in the Sri Lanka game, after which Flower said he wouldn't have called the batsman back.

India will find it difficult to make the semis now after today's game was a washout.

Dozen Wicked Words · 29-09-2009 12:58pm

England v New Zealand.

So England going along nicely on a feather bed pitch in great batting conditions.

:eek: 14 for 3 after 6 on a 'mare of a pitch.

Dozen Wicked Words · 29-09-2009 3:04pm

Wakes up after what was obviously a bad dream to see England are in fact in a commanding position at..................

110 for 8 after 32 overs

eventually 146 all out. So now lets see how the Kiwis will cope on this demon track.

Erm....... NZ currently 70 - 0 after 10. Has the super duper ultra roller been on the pitch between innings? Or have England batted and bowled really badly? YOU DECIDE!

Royale with Cheese · 29-09-2009 5:22pm

England are going to be on the end of a hammering here. Normal service restored.

Dozen Wicked Words · 29-09-2009 7:58pm

England lose, Kiwis top the group, both my predictions from this group are out.

kryogen · 02-10-2009 12:19pm

just about to settle in to watch Australia play England in the semi final of the Champions Trophy and it has occurred to me, i have not seen michael clarke yet as far as i know, does anyone know why he hasnt been playing? is it an injury or a team balance thing? cant imagine him actually wanting to sit out the tournament

of course England won the toss by the way

England batting first

Beasty · 02-10-2009 1:54pm

kryogen wrote: »

i have not seen michael clarke yet as far as i know, does anyone know why he hasnt been playing? is it an injury or a team balance thing? cant imagine him actually wanting to sit out the tournament

Back injury - he has been withdrawn from the squad and gone back to Australia

England 91/3 after 17 - Morgan (4no) has been given another opportunity to prove himself! Denly still there on 36

kryogen · 02-10-2009 2:20pm

England in all kinds of trouble now, 22 overs, 113-6

might i add, big

Marshy · 02-10-2009 4:14pm

Great recovery to get 257, will certainly test Australia.

KevIRL · 02-10-2009 4:46pm

Insects stop play lol

Marshy · 02-10-2009 7:39pm

Actually proving to be a well below par total, hundreds for both Ponting and Watson.

Australia 215-1 after 38.

rich1874 · 03-10-2009 12:26am

A pretty embarrassing defeat for England, i think this piece from a cricinfo article sums it up.

The end, when it came, was nose-rubbingly humiliating, as the Aussies claimed the batting Powerplay with 28 runs still required, and duly clobbered 23 of them in a single over from Paul Collingwood, including three of Watson's seven sixes, all from exuberant heaves through the leg-side. For a man who started the tournament with two ducks, it was a spectacular riposte.

Looks like the 6-1 series destruction was no fluke. Not that anyone would suggest it was.

lee_arama · 03-10-2009 10:46am

What do we think for the Kiwi vs Pakistan match?

I do like the way the Pakistan team have performed in recent months but the Black Caps can match pretty much anyone on their day - I think there's a lot of expectation off their shoulders in general (at least I get that impression).

Sorely tempted to get on NZ @ 2.50 generally available. Not too far off the 2.56/2.60 on Betfair.

Beasty · 03-10-2009 10:52am

Beasty's prediction for today - Pakistan to beak NZ. NZ have lost a couple of important players to injury, and I think Pakistan will have too much for them.

Beasty · 03-10-2009 8:45pm

Beasty wrote: »

Beasty's prediction for today - Pakistan to beak NZ. NZ have lost a couple of important players to injury, and I think Pakistan will have too much for them.

I clearly got this one wrong:D. NZ almost made it look easy in the end, and now face Australia in Monday's final. I will have to rethink my prediction strategy. My heart says NZ, but my head says Australia.

ASTRACLUB · 04-10-2009 9:24am

Beasty wrote: »

I clearly got this one wrong:D. NZ almost made it look easy in the end, and now face Australia in Monday's final. I will have to rethink my prediction strategy. My heart says NZ, but my head says Australia.

dont worry, it happens, i predicted India to win (against Pak).
sae hear, everyone wants NZ to win becuase every one hates Australia (in cricket world-no other means)

Dozen Wicked Words · 04-10-2009 4:27pm

Beasty wrote: »

My heart says NZ, but my head says Australia.

Have to agree, REALLY want the Kiwis to win, but think that Australia will have too much. But I have predicted every game (almost 100%) wrong, so fingers crossed again!!!

kryogen · 05-10-2009 12:15am

ASTRACLUB wrote: »

dont worry, it happens, i predicted India to win (against Pak).
sae hear, everyone wants NZ to win becuase every one hates Australia (in cricket world-no other means)

ahem! i dwant Australia to win cause far from hating them i love them!!

they are the reason i started watching cricket

i do like the kiwis though so i wont begrudge them it if thats the way it works out!

kyp_durron · 05-10-2009 12:04pm

NZ win the toss and choose to bat. Vettori out

Dozen Wicked Words · 05-10-2009 12:05pm

Well the poor old Kiwis have lost another player before the final, captain Vettori is out with a Hamstring. Thats 4 players since the start of the tournament. Think Aus win is even more nailed on.:mad:

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