wrecks for racing

bangerboy

anyone got any old rare cars that are were usued as donors or are destined to be scrapped? i may be interested in them for racing so let me know, will pay more than the scrapper

granadas,jags,volvos datsuns but really anything old and rare!

thanks

--amadeus--

bangerboy wrote: »

anyone got any old rare cars that are were usued as donors or are destined to be scrapped? i may be interested in them for racing so let me know, will pay more than the scrapper

granadas,jags,volvos datsuns but really anything old and rare!

thanks

I suspect that you may not get a very warm welcome round these parts

bangerboy

maybe not but if you dont ask you dont get plus ive also said if ive got something worth restoring or parts that can be used by someone they'l be up for grabs too,better than leaving old carrs rotting away or to scrapyards to be crushed

carchaeologist

But if a car is really hanging they wont let you race it either?I never quite got that,it has to be solid to race it,yet they say they only race the rotters..

bangerboy

no it doesnt need to be clean to race,softer cars are better, you dont feel the bangs!!

justmake the drivers area safe and you'l be fine

carchaeologist

There was a DS420 and a Fleetwood (i think) limo in a yard down here for ages,but i met the owner recently and he said hegartys took them two weeks ago.Think the DS was a 69,though im not sure.Anyhow,too late now,he wasnt too bothered about them,they were complete so would have had a good lot of spares.

So what have you raced yourself?

bangerboy

plenty of stuff over the years,mostly granadas

sure keep us posted of any stuff that might be up for grabs before the scrappers get them!!

Max_Damage

It's because of you that cars like Granada's and Cortina's and so on are rare :mad:

BeardyGit

Max_Damage wrote: »

It's because of you that cars like Granada's and Cortina's and so on are rare :mad:

Ah get over yourself, will you? It's because people in this country don't bloody well look after cars properly that they're so scarce/rare...not because of banger racers who give them the final send off.....

The number of absolute heaps of shoite that people consider to be worth saving in this country is beyond me. If the 'rare' car you have is rotten and busted, parts can't be got to fix it, you've nowhere to keep it dry and work on it properly, you might as well hand it to a banger racer and be done with it.

Honestly lads, you can't save them all. I'd rather see a rough yoke stripped of parts (to save a good 'un) being hammered around a stock track than sitting in some sad sacks driveway or field while he bitches about how they're all being smashed up and this one's going to be saved.....

My hole it is. Sometimes the best thing for a 'could have been' classic is to enjoy the final laps in it. Better than washing the oil and rust off the driveway for a few years before giving it away for scrap, or to some other delusional sad sack who's going to 'save it'.

:P

carchaeologist

Gil_Dub wrote: »

Ah get over yourself, will you? It's because people in this country don't bloody well look after cars properly that they're so scarce/rare...not because of banger racers who give them the final send off.....

Honestly lads, you can't save them all. I'd rather see a rough yoke stripped of parts (to save a good 'un) being hammered around a stock track than sitting in some sad sacks driveway or field while he bitches about how they're all being smashed up and this one's going to be saved.....:P

Right,i know its controversial,but i have to agree with this mostly,i was chatting to a guy a few years back about banger racing and he said to me that people were always on to him about how so many Austin Cambridges/westministers,Wolseley 16/60s/6/110s Oxfords etc have been bangered over the years and how banger racing contributed to their rarity,but his argument was how many Austin 1100s,a car which were never really raced are around now,not a huge amount and more or less in similar numbers.It was something similar with the MK1 and 2 Granada and Cortinas MKs 3 4 and 5 aswell,they were a favourite banger tool for many years.
Natural wastage gets rid of alot too.Apparently 99.9 of all MK3 cortinas registered in england have been scrapped,this was in Practical classics awhile back.All of these cant have been raced.
Besides,banger racing is only a recent thing in southern ireland,the first meet as far as i know was in 1998 in Rosegreen,and how many original irish cortinas do you see anyway,not a lot,so it cant be blamed on the banger racers.
There are Mondeos getting wrecked every weekend nowadays,and i know for a fact no one cares,it was the same back in the day with the Cortinas.

My problem is when rare cars,and ones in good shape that are obviously not rotten are raced,that does piss me off.And a lot of good stuff does get raced still,particularly at the Pre 68 and Pre 75 meets.
This MK1 Granada raced at rosegreen in April 2005 cant have been a scrapper,it was waaay too good.If there was rust i couldnt see it.And that is a pity,because that car was obviously well cared for for alot of its life,a crying shame to see it get wrecked then.


I know its probably(hopefully) rotten,but its sad to see cars like this 6/110 get wrecked when they are such lovely cars when in good order.

Max_Damage

Well, I'm going to stick by my point of view.

Banger racing should be banned pure and simple.

artic

carchaeologist wrote: »

Right,i know its controversial,but i have to agree with this mostly,i was chatting to a guy a few years back about banger racing and he said to me that people were always on to him about how so many Austin Cambridges/westministers,Wolseley 16/60s/6/110s Oxfords etc have been bangered over the years and how banger racing contributed to their rarity,but his argument was how many Austin 1100s,a car which were never really raced are around now,not a huge amount and more or less in similar numbers.It was something similar with the MK1 and 2 Granada and Cortinas MKs 3 4 and 5 aswell,they were a favourite banger tool for many years.
Natural wastage gets rid of alot too.Apparently 99.9 of all MK3 cortinas registered in england have been scrapped,this was in Practical classics awhile back.All of these cant have been raced.
Besides,banger racing is only a recent thing in southern ireland,the first meet as far as i know was in 1998 in Rosegreen,and how many original irish cortinas do you see anyway,not a lot,so it cant be blamed on the banger racers.
There are Mondeos getting wrecked every weekend nowadays,and i know for a fact no one cares,it was the same back in the day with the Cortinas.

My problem is when rare cars,and ones in good shape that are obviously not rotten are raced,that does piss me off.And a lot of good stuff does get raced still,particularly at the Pre 68 and Pre 75 meets.
This MK1 Granada raced at rosegreen in April 2005 cant have been a scrapper,it was waaay too good.If there was rust i couldnt see it.And that is a pity,because that car was obviously well cared for for alot of its life,a crying shame to see it get wrecked then.


I know its probably(hopefully) rotten,but its sad to see cars like this 6/110 get wrecked when they are such lovely cars when in good order.

^ +1

bangerboy

good points raised

hate those dreamers who think they are going to restore cars, there is a lad down in sligo we call to regular with 3-4 toyota crowns and he reckons there worth a fair few quid! there rough as a bears behind and he had more over the years but he has them all cut up and lying around his yard, front ends here and there and so on

huge waste, at least some of us racers would have knocked a bit of crack out of them before they were scrap

max damage which would you rather see?its a simple question

G Luxel

why dont you race contemporary cars? There are forecourts full of them and they are worth half nothing like carinas,406's,v70s,primeras etc. I dont understand a 30 year classic being banger raced even if its in perfectly good condition. It will get to the stage where we will wake up one morning and see the front of the Sunday Independent with a main headline ''Dev Rolls Royce banger-raced'' and will think ''FFs, how did that happen? What signal does that send out? that some people shouldnt have any access to a set of keys yet to mind 30 year + cars for racing..:mad:, this and people who hoard cars but refuse to sell them:mad::mad:

The Aussie

G Luxel wrote: »

why dont you race contemporary cars?

:


I would, be nice a soft blow, all that thin second rate metal would cushion a shunt fairly well you would think, if your into those things.


Anthony

corktina

I dont have a problem with banger racing EXCEPT the "race a rarity" mindset which results in Classics in good condition getting stolen to race (maybe not in Ireland (yet) but certainly it happens in the UK). Once a car is rare, the banger Fraternity should leave them alone. I don't accept the "soft" arguement either. As far as I am aware, a good strong car is what is desired, so a rust-ridden no-hoper is NOT what is wanted.

I also take the view that if a driver was any good (as driver or mechanic) he'd be at somewhere like Mondello or on the rally circuit, not getting cheap thrills wrecking things. How could anyone call themselves a car lover when all they want to do is destroy them?

Eric318

better racing them into oblivion than this... :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQy8Gi403RY

at least making our classics rarer should help bring their value up...

corktina

i believe any end of life classic should be fully stripped of usual parts and the remains crushed...this is the only honourable death for an unrestorable car.; its what Ebay is for also.

maidhc

corktina wrote: »

I dont have a problem with banger racing EXCEPT the "race a rarity" mindset which results in Classics in good condition getting stolen to race (maybe not in Ireland (yet) but certainly it happens in the UK). Once a car is rare, the banger Fraternity should leave them alone. I don't accept the "soft" arguement either. As far as I am aware, a good strong car is what is desired, so a rust-ridden no-hoper is NOT what is wanted.

I also take the view that if a driver was any good (as driver or mechanic) he'd be at somewhere like Mondello or on the rally circuit, not getting cheap thrills wrecking things. How could anyone call themselves a car lover when all they want to do is destroy them?

I agree with all you have to say.

Banger racing is no more a sport than badger baiting or those other things lefties get riled about.

I have no great issue with putting a few Mondeos and the likes out of their misery, they won't all be saved anyway, but not cars that have survived the "banger" phase and are now firmly classics and rare ones at that.

bangerboy

contempory cars as one of you put it raced and thats how the sport started but now the big unlimited meetings (bigger sized engines and cars) are dominated by old cars because there isnt a good selection of cars to use from newer stuff

there have been hunreds probably thousands of mondeos raced already along with bluebirds,carinas etc..

dont agree with corKtina at all, you probably have never been to banger racing as it is today and you havnt seen the quality of drivers that exist,

some drivers who start out in minis in the uk progress onto bangers and then after a few years at that some move on but the sports best drivers are still at it because they love it and are good at it, they could easily go on an win world titles in hot rod racing for example or lightening rods or national hot rods as so many have but there are plenty that are banger racing most of their lives and hold world championship titles and are in a field of their own when out against most others



anyway back on topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anyone with any laid up wrecks that would like to see it GET USED AND WRECKED for fun?

thanks

--amadeus--

bangerboy wrote: »

anyone with any laid up wrecks that would like to see it GET USED AND WRECKED for fun?

That's where we differ you see - it's not my idea of fun.

Why not just race cat C & D write offs from the UK?

bangerboy

and who is going to buy them and ship them here for little or nothing? you?
cause i dont give big money for cars, never have had to and i wont, it takes the fun out of it!

maidhc

bangerboy wrote: »

contempory cars as one of you put it raced and thats how the sport started but now the big unlimited meetings (bigger sized engines and cars) are dominated by old cars because there isnt a good selection of cars to use from newer stuff

Why not just race SUVs and MPVs then. You would be doing us all a favour. I can't imagine a Granada Hearse having a hope against a Ssangyong Musso or an Espace.

bangerboy wrote: »

anyway back on topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anyone with any laid up wrecks that would like to see it GET USED AND WRECKED for fun?

thanks

No, we don't, and as another poster mentioned it is not fun.

corktina

bangerboy wrote: »

contempory cars as one of you put it raced and thats how the sport started but now the big unlimited meetings (bigger sized engines and cars) are dominated by old cars because there isnt a good selection of cars to use from newer stuff

there have been hunreds probably thousands of mondeos raced already along with bluebirds,carinas etc..

dont agree with corKtina at all, you probably have never been to banger racing as it is today and you havnt seen the quality of drivers that exist,

some drivers who start out in minis in the uk progress onto bangers and then after a few years at that some move on but the sports best drivers are still at it because they love it and are good at it, they could easily go on an win world titles in hot rod racing for example or lightening rods or national hot rods as so many have but there are plenty that are banger racing most of their lives and hold world championship titles and are in a field of their own when out against most others



anyway back on topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anyone with any laid up wrecks that would like to see it GET USED AND WRECKED for fun?

thanks

didnt ask you to agree or expect you too...its not a sport and theres no skill in smashing up cars...any fool can do it and plenty do....stick to proper scrappers and leave cars worthy of saving either in whole or in parts alone.

thefarmersson

have a mk2 granada rolling shell minus the doors and wings , if its any good to anyone take it away .looking for a mk2 granada pre facelift logbook ,if anyone can help i would appreciate it thanks .

corktina

:rolleyes:

carchaeologist

thefarmersson wrote: »

have a mk2 granada rolling shell minus the doors and wings , if its any good to anyone take it away .looking for a mk2 granada pre facelift logbook ,if anyone can help i would appreciate it thanks .

Two bad things in one post...

carchaeologist

Eric318 wrote: »

better racing them into oblivion than this... :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQy8Gi403RY

at least making our classics rarer should help bring their value up...

F*ck sake,that is just wanton destruction..i hate those videos..

unkel

carchaeologist wrote: »

F*ck sake,that is just wanton destruction..i hate those videos..

+1

Even if the car was end of life, that engine was obviously still going very strong. Surely it could have gone into another XJ - it probably has enough economic value to lift it out and put it up for sale.

carchaeologist

unkel wrote: »

+1

Even if the car was end of life, that engine was obviously still going very strong. Surely it could have gone into another XJ - it probably has enough economic value to lift it out and put it up for sale.

Yes..i love those XJs/Sovereigns..a car i will buy in the future,and i cant stand to see an engine thats in obviously good order get wrecked like that,and those two muppets doing it dont help.Whatever about bangering something,just running it without oil like that is pure wrecking.

Big Nasty

I have no objection to banger racing, depending on the circumstances. In fact it's something I've always wanted to do myself. I would hate to see any of my favourite cars being raced, but isn't that the same for us all? Who knows, Mondeo's will more than likely become the Cortina's of the upcoming generation so who's to say it's ok to race them?

If it's gone beyond three times it's cost to restore it's fair game in my eyes.

carchaeologist

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Mondeo's will more than likely become the Cortina's of the upcoming generation so who's to say it's ok to race them?

This is already the case.Theres a meet in Rosegreen on the 4th of October if anyone wants to see what its like.And there shouldnt be any rare or classic stuff raced either,apart from possibly a volvo 240 or two.

Big Nasty

carchaeologist wrote: »

This is already the case.Theres a meet in Rosegreen on the 4th of October if anyone wants to see what its like.And there shouldnt be any rare or classic stuff raced either,apart from possibly a volvo 240 or two.

Coolio! Where can one get regular info on these meets? I.e: without having to ask yourself!

carchaeologist

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Coolio! Where can one get regular info on these meets? I.e: without having to ask yourself!

http://www.tipperarymotorspeedway.ie/

Big Nasty

carchaeologist wrote: »

http://www.tipperarymotorspeedway.ie/

Cheers dude!

DarenO

Have to say that while I wouldn't go anywhere near as far as Max Damage on his previously posted opinion of Bangerboy. I don't know you and i'm not going to hide behind a computer and slag you off life is too short to be an internet warrior but i would like to know why you think this forum is best suited to your interest, shouldn't you be on Motorsports, to my mind and in my own opinion the title of this forum is the giveaway. As with everything it's a free world but your sport and request might receive a more favourable response elsewhere.

I would have thought that 99.99% of those who read or post on this forum are interested in owning, driving, maintaining, preserving, saving, restoring classic cars, this does not account for the person with an old car who thinks he is sitting on a fortune. But to look for rare cars to banger race you either have a warped sense of humour or a misunderstanding of what classic car enthusiasts on this forum are all about (apologies to anyone who i've mis-classified).

I can tell you that if i knew the whereabouts of a rare car irrespective of condition of the car or the kudos it would bring you in the banger racing world then I wouldn't tell you and i hope you understand my position.

Regards
Darren

jimmyw

pity the jag didnt burst into flames and burn that stupid rednecker.:mad: That car could have been used for parts.

maidhc

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Who knows, Mondeo's will more than likely become the Cortina's of the upcoming generation so who's to say it's ok to race them?

I think it was I referred to it being OK to banger race mondeos.

Just for the record I have a 15 year old mondeo (1.8 TD LX!) that has been in the family from new, has clocked 230k and is in close to immaculate condition. So long as it isn't involved in an accident it will be around in 30 years time and it be banger raced over my dead body.

My point was there is a lot of unloved mondeos that will face the crusher anyway and have no prospect of ever being saved.... it is just the sheer number that means some have to be be disposed of, the same does not go for Cortinas in 2009.

wax

If I went onto a Man utd forum as a Liverpool fan and started getting everyone pissed off with me I would get banned immediately. There's not much difference here. It makes me sick inside when I see classics getting destroyed (even if its rusted beyond repair) but to come onto a classic car forum stating your intention is to find ''rare'' cars to banger race is just wrong. If you do wish to race classics please don't post on here stating what you plan to do and try to source cars from enthusiasts.

P.S. As a car lover it sickens me even to see newer cars smashed up for ''fun''.

bangerboy

send me on your number farmersson and il have a deal with you

Tomebagel

thefarmersson wrote: »

have a mk2 granada rolling shell minus the doors and wings , if its any good to anyone take it away .looking for a mk2 granada pre facelift logbook ,if anyone can help i would appreciate it thanks .

bangerboy wrote: »

send me on your number farmersson and il have a deal with you

Please dont thefarmersson.

carchaeologist

While arguing about what cars have been raced and destroyed people forget that the scrappage scheme here got rid of more good cars than anything else in this country.
The same is happening in england at the moment with their scrappage scheme,many classics have been scrapped also.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/6168650/Scrappage-scheme-claims-a-few-classics.html

http://deadlinescotland.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/6825-1247/

http://motortorque.askaprice.com/news/auto-0905/classics-meet-their-doom-at-the-hands-of-scrappage.asp

Tomebagel

carchaeologist wrote: »

While arguing about what cars have been raced and destroyed people forget that the scrappage scheme here got rid of more good cars than anything else in this country.
The same is happening in england at the moment with their scrappage scheme,many classics have been scrapped also.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/6168650/Scrappage-scheme-claims-a-few-classics.html

http://deadlinescotland.wordpress.com/2009/06/21/6825-1247/

http://motortorque.askaprice.com/news/auto-0905/classics-meet-their-doom-at-the-hands-of-scrappage.asp

i still think banger racing is worse.

bangerboy

lol at least we let the usefull parts onto people who wil use them and we knock a bit of crack out of the cars before there scrapped!

corktina

bangerboy wrote: »

lol at least we let the usefull parts onto people who wil use them and we knock a bit of crack out of the cars before there scrapped!

the remaining undamaged parts you mean....

rrv8

I'm in defence of Bangerboy , Banger racing actually saves more classics than it destroys , for many years I lived in the UK and worked in a scrap yard and also raced most weekends .Anything that came through the gates that was up to racing went of to my farm , 9 out of 10 was saved if not broken up to save others , and the amount of people that used to offer me cars for racing that otherwise would have just gone off for scrap in unreal ,A man turned up at my door one evening and offered me a Rover P5 for free , if I dint want it could I recomend a scrappy to take it away , collected it and towed with it for 2 years then sold it on , this is only one example , happen that way more than once

bangerboy

corKtina- every usuable part someone wants, i even exchange good panels with lads for not so good ones that they have wanted to change in the past

corktina

well that grille on the 110 pictured in this thread looked savable to me...who do you think you are kidding?

And what about the classics stolen from loving owners and raced?

bangerboy

suppose banger drivers get the blame for everything that gets stolen then

your just narrow minded and dont realise that you have probably bought parts that came from racers in the past too

cheers farmersson,

anyone else with anything useful lying about

bangerboy

re 6/110 lots of racers show up to meetings with grills etc on but take them off as often rare grills are worth more than what they have paid to get the cars for racing

they are just used for show in a lot of cases, some do get smashed but then i suppose some people would like to annoy the likes of you by doing it

carchaeologist

As i already pointed out,im not too bothered about moderns and the like but when stuff like this is raced i hate it.This 1934 Studebaker Dictator (73 years old!!!) was used by 754 Dave Nichols at the Firecracker 16 meeting on 4th November 2007 at Arena Essex.



Ford pilot


1933 Standard 10



1949 James young bentley




Alvis TC21 Grey Lady


And Bentley V Alvis..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5pSUv3K7YE