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Would anyone NOT watch a film because it's animated?
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21-09-2009 7:19am#1
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Wouldnt put me off in the slightest, some of my favourite movies are animated, The Iron Giant, Wall-E, Toy Story, The Incredibles,Spirited Away,Beauty and the Beast are all fantastic films in their own right, the only ones I dont like are Dreamworks movies as they're vapid and soulless, Madgascar, Shrek, etc, see below:
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Absolutely wouldn't hesitate watching a film because it's animated, I would say that some of my favorite films are animated. While admittedly I love a lot of films that are targeted towards children, such as the Iron Giant or Spirited Away, I don't believe the medium itself is something for children, there's many animated films that are undeniably for adults that explore many different themes.
One example I could give is Waltz with Bashir, which was definitely one of the most effecting and powerful war movies I've seen:
Or Satoshi Kon's Perfect Blue, which is one of the very best psychological thrillers I have ever seen:
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I'm more likely to say I won't watch something cus it's live action lol but then I'm an animator so I might be tiny bit biased.
And don't knock animated porn till you've tired it.....er watched it....:p
Edit just to add some great animation
When the wind blows one of the most powerful and disturbing films I've ever seen and it's animated and then there's everything jan svankmajer has made.0 -
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I often find that Animation can stir emotions as well as, if not sometimes more so than any live action film or TV show. Case in point:
Persepolis has been on my to do list for a long time now, I really have to watch it. One I missed when it was in the cinema was Coraline, so I'm really looking forward to that when it comes on out DVD.0 -
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kumate_champ07 wrote: »I cant watch them because its not real humans, its computer generated facial expressions that dont match the real thing.
I do like south park tho. havent seen any animated movie(except SP) since ice age 1, which i watched at the cinema as it was the only thing on and it was a date
Thanks for the reply champ. Interesting, and you're not the first person I have heard who is of the same opinion. I remember using that fantastic image krudler in another thread (I think it was about The Iron Giant) because, unfortunately it's pretty accurate.
Just curious: does you opinion apply also to traditional animation with human characters? (eg, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast etc). I'm assuming that you certainly think this regarding Japanese animation where facial expressions are a stylistic representation rather than an accurate representation of emotion, more often than not. I'm not trying to change your mind. Just curious. It's a slow day in work
TBH there are a lot of animated movies/films where I agree with you completely be it because of cheap animation, poor translation or just lazy animation (As in krudler's pic).
Would you concider animation "Just for kids"? Most of the posts here have come from more-than-casual animation fans (Have seen more than Disney, Pixar and dreamworks animation I mean) so we are not very impartial so I just wanted to know if the average person in the street would be interested in an animated film if they were not bringing the kids.0 -
You b*stard KH. That episode puts a lump in my throat every time. That and Jessie's song in Toy Story 2. There's also an episode of Samurai Jack where an assassin robot befriends a dog that gets me. Graveyard of The Fireflies would probably be the same but I can't make myself watch it again....Karl Hungus wrote: »I often find that Animation can stir emotions as well as, if not sometimes more so than any live action film or TV show. Case in point:
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It doesnt matter if its asian/western or talking animals! I have the corpses bride but Im just not really interested in watching it, I know most of the new animated movies have adult orientated humor. I saw a tiny bit of woody allen in the Ant movie when it was on tv, but it was woody allen I was laughing at.
I watched a movie that was shot with actors and then drawn over or something, robert downy jr was in it, a scanner darkly? I didnt really enjoy the movie but the visuals were different, kind of trippy.
south park is prob the most basic animation as far as visuals go but they get away with things they could never do with real people and I love the satire and wackiness, they had an episode with obama after he won the election and the story had elements from the media over that current time. the last episode of last season had the somali pirates, 1 of the first from the season rips on the jonas brothers/disneys exploitation on young girls' pocket money. Ive been wondering how much of south parks humor would be lost in 20-30yrs to a much newer generation.TheIrishGrover wrote: »Thanks for the reply champ. Interesting, and you're not the first person I have heard who is of the same opinion. I remember using that fantastic image krudler in another thread (I think it was about The Iron Giant) because, unfortunately it's pretty accurate.
Just curious: does you opinion apply also to traditional animation with human characters? (eg, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast etc). I'm assuming that you certainly think this regarding Japanese animation where facial expressions are a stylistic representation rather than an accurate representation of emotion, more often than not. I'm not trying to change your mind. Just curious. It's a slow day in work
TBH there are a lot of animated movies/films where I agree with you completely be it because of cheap animation, poor translation or just lazy animation (As in krudler's pic).
Would you concider animation "Just for kids"? Most of the posts here have come from more-than-casual animation fans (Have seen more than Disney, Pixar and dreamworks animation I mean) so we are not very impartial so I just wanted to know if the average person in the street would be interested in an animated film if they were not bringing the kids.0 -
I wonder why animation is mostly for kids... I don't mean it's for kids because it's animated, but most cartoon are for kids... And outside of Japan I would say there are very few animated movies aimed at adults which is a pity IMHO... Loved Akira, and Ghost In The Shell is good too.... And South Park BL&U, and am looking forward to seeing Waltz with Bashir but I can't seem to see it in any video shop... Also liked A Scanner Darkly
But the fact that most cartoons are aimed at kids goes a long way to making people automatically think if it's animated it must be for kids or Anime nerds - therefore the cycle continues as they only make more animated movies for kids thinking that they won't get a decent bite from the adult market...
Then the trouble with foreign movies is you have to either have subtitles or dubbed voices - a choice between reading (and missing some of the film) or dodgy "western" acting which just doesn't seem to fit.
As for Japanese "Hentai" porn it's a load of ****e!
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I wouldn’t even switch it on in the offchance that I might even enjoy it.
Ok, that I don't understand. You'd avoid watching something in case you might like it? If I think I'll like something, I'll see it.johnny_ultimate wrote: »I have come across plenty of people of this opinion (often the old 'for kids' argument is tossed around) but it is such a shame because animation is one of the most fascinating artforms around today. What differentiates animation IMO from 'standard' live action movies is that the imagery can be so much more vibrant and exciting because the only real limit is the artist's imagination to a degree - sure there are still some budget concerns, but not to the same extent as live action. I can't imagine the likes of (let's pluck some random examples) the action scenes of the Incredibles, the fantasy montages of Paprika / Millenium Actress or pretty much the entirety of Miyasaki's output (Ponyo's storm scenes as a recent example) pulled off in any other medium without bags and bags of money being hurled at the director. Animation can illustrate so much more than live action at a far more affordable price, and that means the storytelling and visuals can be that bit more open and impressive. And more importantly than money, the director and animators have a far greater ability to illustrate their vision on a piece of paper they have complete control over.
But as has been pointed out, the best animation can be as emotionally involving as life action cinema, if not more so. My Neighbour Totoro, The Iron Giant, Wall-E and, as KH pointed out, Jurassic Bark are some of the most emotionally intense pieces of work out there. Which is why whenever someone says animation is just for kids I find it disappointing.
You know, Millennium Actress is a film I would very deeply recommend to anyone on this thread. Essentially, it's animation paying tribute to film, and it's a breathtaking experience, pure art and an incredibly touching story as well. I became a fan of Satoshi Kon after seeing Paprika, his films are just absolutely stunning. Talking about films that can be emotionally involving, Tokyo Godfathers is something that I felt broached a lot of themes that many mainstream films simply wouldn't be able to do with the same maturity and honesty, I'd say it's equally hilarious, heart-breaking and uplifting. I'll definitely be looking out for whatever Satoshi Kon does next, the guy is just astonishing.
I found a little short he did, some might enjoy it:But the fact that most cartoons are aimed at kids goes a long way to making people automatically think if it's animated it must be for kids or Anime nerds - therefore the cycle continues as they only make more animated movies for kids thinking that they won't get a decent bite from the adult market...
Well, I don't know if that's true. I remember when I saw Ratatouille in the cinema, it as an almost exclusively adult audience. I think even when animation is aimed at children, it still grabs a lot of attention from adults as well, so it doesn't have to be something specifically adult or mature to be appreciated by older audiences. Wall-E or Spirited Away are undoubtedly children's films, but they are absolutely brilliant none the less. I'm sure there's still a stigma that animation = kids stuff, but does it really matter if you enjoy the films?0 -
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It does if it means they make less adult-oriented animated films...
That's a rather skewed perspective though, there's a stigma about a lot of things but they still find their audiences and their markets. Take horror films for example, there's always and ever been a very negative stigma attached to the genre, but that hasn't really resulted in less horror films being made. Just as some people hold the opinion that horror is for sociopaths and weirdos, some people are undoubtedly going to hold the presumption that cartoons are for kids, even though many of them have watched the Simpsons countless times themselves. That's not something that you can argue negatively impacts the creation of such films, as the artists, directors, producers are still making them and the audiences are still buying them.
Honestly, times have changed drastically in this generation. So very many things that were once thought to be for kids are now in the domain of almost every adult. Most anyone I know in the 20-30 age bracket owns a gaming console of some sort, or games on their PC, yet in recent enough memory, video games were something solely for children. I know people who come home from their jobs and relax with some Mario or Rock Band or Warcraft or what have you. Half the people I know have more than a few graphic novels around the place, people in their 30's with Batman, Sandman and assorted Alan Moore graphic novels. The idea still exists that all these things are for children, and yet none of that stops adults playing games, or watching animation.
I definitely think that Anime especially has greatly increased in popularity among adults over recent years, and I think Pixar has had a huge influence with raising the bar for American animation and introducing it to much more adult audiences. I think animation is just going to keep gaining popularity with adults, and attitudes will continue to change.
Take Waltz with Bashir for example, it was nominated for the Best Foreign Film in the Oscars rather than best animated. It was nominated along side live action films, which is a first, so that could indeed be an indication of changing attitudes. Also, nobody could ever argue that it's a kid's film, unless they were really taking the piss.
And in much the same way that nobody could sensibly say this is kid's stuff like the Beano...
...they couldn't argue that this would be anything like your average Sunday morning cartoon:I haven't seen Ratatouille I have to admit, but I have seen a few of those kind of films and I understand that they have a few jokes here for adults and there and cater for an adult audience, but they still have the Disney kind of feel...
By 'those kind of films' I think you films like Shrek, in which case it's not adult humour, they've a lot of rather juvenile jokes thrown in that is very far from adult. Ratatouille is nothing like that. Pixar's films appeal to adults because of their story, exceptional written and characters, not puerile humour.What I want is movies made specifically for adults - including all the stuff you'd normally see in a live-action movie aimed at adults... cursing / violence / references to sex / drugs / moral ambiguity / not necessarily a happy ending / etc.
Honestly, there's plenty of animated films that are specifically made for adults. It's mostly Anime of course, but the films are out there, so if that's what you want, then go watch 'em.
Take a look at the aforementioned Waltz with Bashir, I highly recommend it.0 -
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Kiwi_knock wrote: »While I would not particularly high regard for animated movie, i would not rule out watching them at all. I dont think you can ever watch an animated movie twice, because all the humour is childless, but can be funny first time around
I take it you meant childish. Damn spell checker I'll have to disagree with you there about not being able to watch an animated movie more than once. In a good movie there's always something you miss the first time round. Again, harping back to The Iron Giant: The first time I saw the movie I totally missed my favourite line in the movie: "The biggest thing in this town's probably the homecoming queen". There's always something new to be seen in Pixar's output, be it a nod to another film you missed or a reference to something they are working on that won't be out for years (nemo toy in Boo's room in Monster's Inc for example) Or just small things you missed (The tiny TINY smirk on the sister's face in The Incredibles when the mom tells Dash that he's still in trouble at the dinner table). And even leaving out the jokes and humour the sheer spectacle of certain films can sustain multiple viewings. People here will mention various pieces from Studio Ghibli: Porco Rosso, Spirited Away, Totoro etc but for the casual viewer just think of the Lion King opening. Watch that on DVD on the biggest tele you can find and tell me it's only worth seeing once
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Kiwi_knock wrote: »I dont think you can ever watch an animated movie twice, because all the humour is childless, but can be funny first time around
Well, you're making the assumption there that all animated films are either humorous or childish. That's really not the case, especially if you look at some of the trailers I've posted. But even talking about humorous animated films, I find the humor is a lot better than half the so-called 'adult' comedies around these days. The Incredibles certainly hasn't gotten stale for me, no matter how many times I've watched it:
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Haven't opened the first page and OP. But have read the title of the thread.
My answer is obviously yes, I would avoid many, many movies that are 'charactured' because the original author want them 'charactured'.
Many Super Hero films that were advertised a s Super Hero films. That would be a clue to both ignore and avoid them.
Including ' Sin City', I am a Romatic I want to see the actors making with the Roles.
Movies I avoid because I have seen them and they are 'charactured' include Kill Bill and of course Hiyao Miyazaki's 'Sprited Away'.
The teacher in the Pink Floyd video 'The Wall' is representated and also it was painful to watch. By concidence I met a friend at the film and next day told him about my pain. He agreed with the 'The Wall' character but asked me never to tell him about a film again. Sure.
Not one bit of that made sense
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Kiwi_knock wrote: »I dont think you can ever watch an animated movie twice, because all the humour is childless, but can be funny first time around
I could say the same for so many many many live action films. Why is some crap cookie cutter standard live action film like say Bride Wars easier to rewatch then an animated film? I use Bride Wars as example cus my friend was the 1st camera assistant so I know it was a bog standard shoot and none of the crew gave a crap about the film, they got paid that's all they cared about where as you take an animated film that takes 3 to 4 years to make and that's 3 years of full 15+ hour days of hard slog 6 to 7 days a week.
I've been moved far more by animated films then any live action. Seriously now hands up who thought the animated version of Watership Down was childish? Killer bunnies for heavens sake, I wish I hadn't seen that as a child. Or When the wind blows? Or what about films that feature both live action and animated characters like Scankmyer's Alice?
Animated films contain far more detail in them then live action films do as everything has to be drawn not just the characters, all the props and background, it's a mountain of detail plus animators love to stick jokes in. You could spend hours looking for them all...just check a film like The Thief and the Cobbler for the amazing amount of detail gone into every single frame. Saying you could only look at it once it like saying you can only look at a painting once but thats not the case, you can view a painting hundreds of times and get something new from it each time.
All the people saying they wouldn't go to animated films because they only want to see real people, how many of you go the theater regularly? If you really gave a crap about the acting you'd go to see play were you see true acting and not a film were the actor has had as many takes as they need to get the scene right and then it's shot several times from different angles....plus all the lighting, filters, effects, sound, etc etc seriously how is that any more real then watching something that someone animated? Animation is still made by real people, not computers, the computer is just a tool.0 -
Very well said Ztoical, there's quite a lot of love that goes into animated films. Something that hasn't been touched on yet is the soundtracks, which I find that some incredible film scores has come from animated films. Take for example:
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Well, Toy Story 3D-ified is showing from Friday I believe with Toy Story 2 3D-ified coming in a few weeks and, of course, Up next week. The Frog Princess and Ponyo coming at the start of the new year. Warner Bros missed an opportunity for a 10th anniversary Iron Giant limited re-release damnit. Hopefully the people who would normally dismiss animation will give these a go. Fingers crossed about The Frog Princess. Toy Story/2 and Up are pretty much guaranteed gold and Ponyo is fantastic It may skew a bit young for people who are insistent that animation is ONLY for kids (Just because it's suitable for kids doesn't mean it's ONLY for kids). Think Totoro age group....... I really wish Ghibli would release the shorts they show in the museum on DVD. Maybe just available online from the museum itself or something. They are brilliant! 0
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TheIrishGrover wrote: »Well, Toy Story 3D-ified is showing from Friday I believe with Toy Story 2 3D-ified coming in a few weeks and, of course, Up next week. The Frog Princess and Ponyo coming at the start of the new year. Warner Bros missed an opportunity for a 10th anniversary Iron Giant limited re-release damnit. Hopefully the people who would normally dismiss animation will give these a go. Fingers crossed about The Frog Princess. Toy Story/2 and Up are pretty much guaranteed gold and Ponyo is fantastic It may skew a bit young for people who are insistent that animation is ONLY for kids (Just because it's suitable for kids doesn't mean it's ONLY for kids). Think Totoro age group....... I really wish Ghibli would release the shorts they show in the museum on DVD. Maybe just available online from the museum itself or something. They are brilliant!
Do you think the Frog Princess would actually be any good? I have to admit, I'm not a fan of Disney movies, at least nothing since the Lion King.0 -
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