Luas Crash

5500

Just caught it breifly on the news there and wondering what kind of turn out there was to it given the amount of injuries.

Were ambulance cases qued for long afterwards?

Oliver1985

This is the 5th thread on this have a look in the after hours section there is a good bit of info there!

Hooch

Major emergency plan i'd say. Should be questions if it wasnt implemented.

Jurrrr

Personally saw 3 Fire Engines and 4 Ambulances and alot of gaurds, pressuming there were more there too...

Shield

NGA: From the pics I've seen, I can't see an inner cordon?

timmywex

5 ambulance and an a/p car is all i can see in the pics, but then again there would have been ambulance coming/going

5500

psni wrote: »

NGA: From the pics I've seen, I can't see an inner cordon?

Thats what struck me with some of the pictures ie - http://www.flickr.com/photos/darragh/3926211414/

Doesnt seem to be any cordon going by that although there doesnt seem to be any dfb or eras there either so maby it was just after it happened

Hooch

psni wrote: »

NGA: From the pics I've seen, I can't see an inner cordon?

Just saw them there now. First pic on flickr there looks like it was at early stage. Second and third kinda looks like it has been cordoned off but thats only for the investigation.

I'd be suprised if DFB didnt activate the emergency plan with a potential of 30+ patients. It most certainly was a major emergency in my opinion. If I had landed to that I would have requested it to be activated. But then again I wasnt so dont know the full facts. Anyone on here that was there today as an ES able to enlighten us??

BizPost

What would the emergency plan have done? Seemed like they had enough of ambulances and they had a heap of paramedics there in the form of dfb and hse personnel. And they could have called in Privates which they didn't.

And its only 5 mins from the Mater, 10 mins from James and Vincents. If it happened outside Dublin there would be more a need for it.

Hooch

BizPost wrote: »

What would the emergency plan have done? Seemed like they had enough of ambulances and they had a heap of paramedics there in the form of dfb and hse personnel. And they could have called in Privates which they didn't.

And its only 5 mins from the Mater, 10 mins from James and Vincents. If it happened outside Dublin there would be more a need for it.

A major emergency plan would put hospitals on alert....instead of landing them in they can call in extra resourses of people who are off, if needed.

The ambulance service can do the same. Remember they need to keep some response for other calls. Same with fire service and Gardaí.

I have always found that once its activated everything runs alot smoother than just "another" big accident. For some reason everything just fits in an emergency plan.

From what I heard in work and from the news this is what I can make out. Patients were transfered to the Mater and St. James. The more serious ones taken to the Mater. Not everybody would need to go to hospital either. Can only think that the cordon was not put up straight away due to the number of people on the Luas and bus who would need attention and the time it took for ES to reach the scene. First on scene would not be able to do it as they are reporting what has happened and what is needed. Also, treating patients, locating passengers.

G_R

i was up there earlier on, about an hour after it happened.

i saw 20+ garda vehicles, 6 ambos/ap's parked and two more arrived while i was there and 4 DFB's plus some kinda incident control van thing.

oh and a garda helicopter + a veola emergency responce vehicle

delly

There's mention on the AH thread that an unmarked AGS car was on some form of a shout and the bus stopped to avoid an impact or allow said car to pass, with the result being the LUAS crashing into the bus. Obviously just hearsay at the moment, but I thought you folks in the business might be in the know.

Esel

Good thread in the Dublin City forum; some v. good pics. e.g. this close-up.

BizPost

Out of curiousity who is the chief medic is it HSE or Fire Bridage Ambulance guy? Seemed yesterday like the HSE and they had a lot of staff there which I assume were freed up to attend a major incident. From previous posts I assume the Chief fire guy has overall control of incident.

On the emergency plan being put into place is that not over kill in the sense of it mobilises all the voluntary bodies as well? maybe I have it wrong.

trad

nice guy always wrote: »

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I have always found that once its activated everything runs alot smoother than just "another" big accident. For some reason everything just fits in an emergency plan.

I have to agree. I was at 2 major accidents in the same week involving buses and 30+ casualities at each and the Major Accident Plans were implemented.

We were sent from Dublin to Jack White on the N11 for one and near Kinnegad for the other and all the casualities went to Dublin Hospitals. It worked excellent. The N11 dual carriageway around Bray wasn't completed but it was opened for ES with members posted at danger points.

Hooch

BizPost wrote: »

Out of curiousity who is the chief medic is it HSE or Fire Bridage Ambulance guy? Seemed yesterday like the HSE and they had a lot of staff there which I assume were freed up to attend a major incident. From previous posts I assume the Chief fire guy has overall control of incident.

On the emergency plan being put into place is that not over kill in the sense of it mobilises all the voluntary bodies as well? maybe I have it wrong.

Fire service would be in control of the site, ambulance service for patients and Gardaí assisting and investigating afterwards.
No you have it wrong. Vols are not automatically mobilised or even contacted. The chief ambulance officer will make that call depending on the amount of people involved. Same with Fire service etc. The major emergency plan opens alot of doors (overtime freed up etc for calling in off duty Paras etc). Get hospital ready, brings in flanking fire service/ambulance stations. Allows the use of IrCG rescue Heli for airlifts etc

DrIndy

When an emergency plan is activated the hospitals go into emergency plan mode. All non-essential operations are cancelled, all booked admissions are cancelled and all potential discharges are immediately expedited. This also includes all wards taking extra patients and all appropriate off duty staff being called in - notably in Emergency Medicine, Surgery and anaesthetics (doctors and nurses).

First receiving is the hospital closest to the incident which goes on a high state of alert and takes the sickest quickest.

Second Receiving takes the major minors and they also send out a team to deal with the scene at ground level (therefore St. James's should be the hospital which sends a team to the scene - which includes the chief medical officer (a consultant in emergency medicine) and a few other doctors.

The other hospitals remain on standby as third and 4th receiving and take additional casualties if 1st and 2nd receiving become swamped.

hope this helps. This is the emergency plan and what should have been activated as per protocol.

G_R

DrIndy wrote: »

When an emergency plan is activated the hospitals go into emergency plan mode. All non-essential operations are cancelled, all booked admissions are cancelled and all potential discharges are immediately expedited. This also includes all wards taking extra patients and all appropriate off duty staff being called in - notably in Emergency Medicine, Surgery and anaesthetics (doctors and nurses).

First receiving is the hospital closest to the incident which goes on a high state of alert and takes the sickest quickest.

Second Receiving takes the major minors and they also send out a team to deal with the scene at ground level (therefore St. James's should be the hospital which sends a team to the scene - which includes the chief medical officer (a consultant in emergency medicine) and a few other doctors.

The other hospitals remain on standby as third and 4th receiving and take additional casualties if 1st and 2nd receiving become swamped.

hope this helps. This is the emergency plan and what should have been activated as per protocol.

i know its not really relevant to the Luas Crash but what happens if there is an emergency in somewhere like Kilkenny for example where there is only one hospital? Does one hospital take all casualties or do they till use two (or three or four if required) no matter how far away they are?

donvito99

I read somewhere that a group of pedestrians walked out in front of the bus causing it to brake and come to a complete stop, in the middle of the junction.

maglite

Dunno if it has been said before but the bus had a green.

Tango Alpha 51

dannym08 wrote: »

i know its not really relevant to the Luas Crash but what happens if there is an emergency in somewhere like Kilkenny for example where there is only one hospital? Does one hospital take all casualties or do they till use two (or three or four if required) no matter how far away they are?

They would use the latter if necessary. I.E. A major incident in Shannon Airport, life threatening cases would be transported via HSE ambulance to Limerick Regional, walking wounded might be transported either via voluntaries or buses to Nenagh, Ennis or even Galway. Vols would be utilised to free up bed space in Limerick Regional etc.

Tango Alpha 51

Just on a point of note, what a member of AGS might consider a major emergency might not be considered the same for the F&R or the AS. Different criteria are met by each service before implementing their emergency plans.

Hooch

buzzman wrote: »

Just on a point of note, what a member of AGS might consider a major emergency might not be considered the same for the F&R or the AS. Different criteria are met by each service before implementing their emergency plans.

Correct. I was looking at it from EMS side of things. It would not be an AGS major emergency.....but might be for EMS or fire service.

BizPost

But am guessing someone made a call that freed up all the HSE ambulances? Would that be the first fire/ amublance on scene?

Victor

http://www.garda.ie/PressReleases/Default.aspx

Witness Appeal - Luas/Bus Crash on O'Connell Street, Dublin on the 16/9/09.

Anyone who was in the area of O’Connell Street Lower and Abbey Street junction between 2.50 p.m. and 3.15 p.m.

Gardai are appealing for witnesses to collision on O’Connell Street Lower, between a Luas tram and a Dublin Bus about 3.00 p.m. on the 16th of September, to contact them.

They would like to speak to anyone who was in the area of O’Connell Street Lower and Abbey Street junction between 2.50 p.m. and 3.15 p.m.

Gardai also believe that a number of passengers of the bus and the Luas may have left the scene before emergency services arrived and we would like them to contact us.

Anyone with any information is asked to contact Store Street Garda station on 01 666 8000.

Garda Press Office
17th September 2009.

deadwood

"Gardai also believe that a number of passengers of the bus and the Luas may have left the scene before emergency services arrived and we would like them to contact us."

This could end up like the Munster-New Zealand match in '78. Hundreds of "passengers" now suffering trauma! Cha-chiiinnng!

ivabiggon

the interior of all luas trams have CCTV.

DrIndy

dannym08 wrote: »

i know its not really relevant to the Luas Crash but what happens if there is an emergency in somewhere like Kilkenny for example where there is only one hospital? Does one hospital take all casualties or do they till use two (or three or four if required) no matter how far away they are?

This is an international system and it should activate in the event of any major incident. Designated 1st and second receiving outside of dublin would involve greater distances to the second receiving hospital but the model would remain intact.

However - where there are few ED consultants - the chief officer may come from somewhere apart from the 2nd receiving hospital to allow more work there - but I do not know if this is modified accordningly in these areas.

Paulzx

Interesting add placement:D:D:D:D


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maglite

I call fake lol

Victor

http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=4399

Renewed Witness Appeal - Luas/Bus Crash on O'Connell Street on the 16/9/09.
Gardai have now conducted a preliminary investigation into the collision at Abbey Street.

Gardai have now conducted a preliminary investigation into the collision at Abbey Street and O'Connell Street, Dublin 1 on Wednesday, the 16th September 2009.

The public's response has been very helpful, however Gardai are now anxious to interview people who were in the following areas between 2.30pm and 3.10pm on the day of the incident.:-

1. Pedestrians who were outside 'Clarks' shoe shop on Lower O'Connell Street

2. Pedestrians who were on the median strip or crossing the median strip at the Abbey Street / O'Connell street junction.

3. Drivers of private vehicles and taxis travelling northbound towards Parnell Square at this time.

Anyone with information is asked to contact the Gardai at Store Street 01-666-8000, the Garda Confidential Line 1-800-666-111 or any Garda Station.

Previous Press Release is attached for your information.

Garda Press Office
18th September 2009

bazzachazza

Paulzx wrote: »

Interesting add placement:D:D:D:D


http://blog.redoaktaxrefunds.ie/luas-bus-crash-should-have-gone-to-specsavers/

Nice photoshop job. Shame the reflection shows a Thomas Cook/Sunway Ad.;)