Reverse Racism

Liam79

Mod suggested I move this here, would like a few opinions. Thanks lads.
And please, do NOT use this as a chance to vent any racist views you may have. This thread is absolutely 100% NOT intended in anyway to promote racism. The exact opposite in fact. I just think its a fair point and one which we should not hide away from discussing.
Thank you
Liam

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055681401

metrovelvet

There is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is racism. But some are permitted, like the DO YOU HATE THE ENGLISH thread.

If you had a DO YOU HATE ARABS thread it would have been shut down and a siteban would have occurred.

Liam79

I agree with you velvet. Racism is racism. And black on white racism is still racism. Some people use history as an excuse, they say that bacause some people were trod on/abused due to their race/colour/nationality, it is now ok for black people to give it back. Almost like some kind of "Payback"......??? The people on the subway I spoke of, I never racially abused them, I never said a word to them, but they absolutely 100% racially abused me. But because of the actions of people over 50 years ago, they are using that as a stick to beat me with.....And i am expected to shut up, take it, and accept it. Thats just not right. As I say, if the reverse had happened....!! And on the Anti-English thread....there is nothing more nauseating to decent Irish people than to listen to a bunch of over weight cider swilling louts in Celtic jersies singing rebels songs and giving all that about hating the English.....they are a sickening sight. On the whole, from personal experience, I find English people to be a very courteous, friendly and engaging people. Its time for Ireland as a nation, to grow up, and move on

To be perfectly honest with you; I feel as if this whole reverse racism thing is just a by-product of white males feeling as if society cares more about the trials and tribulations of minorities than them. It's victim complex bull**** most of the time. It's like a teenage boy looking for ways to seem as if he's the victim and that everyone is against him. Why anyone would act as if it's shocking and surprising that "black people can be racist too" is beyond me.

metrovelvet

Yeah. WEll that is why Bernard Geotz was so popular. People just got sick of it.

No one on an Irish message board will get it because they have never had to live with it. But ask any of them if they were to visit NYC if they'd be happy taking a subway into Harlem after 8 pm.

scanlas

To believe in "reverse racism" is racist. Racism is discrimination based on race. It's not discrimination based on being black. If white people are discriminated based on race that is racism, not reverse racism. Reverse racism doesn't exist, it just shows a lack of intelligence that you think it exists.

Euro_Kraut

OP, I think what you are describing is not ‘reverse racism’. Its racism. I can't understand why it is believed that racism should only go in one direction (from white to non-white) and we should all be shocked if it goes the other way.

For me ‘reverse racisms’ would be, for example, Irish people who don't like the Irish or a Anti-Semantic Jew.

miec

Lol, just because a word is created on wikipedia does not make it a word that exists, I would not place my trust in wikipedia. I have to concur with scanlas on this one, racism is racism is racism, end of. What you experienced was racism, end of, if you prefer to dress it up as reverse racism then so be it, but it is not a correct term, to reverse is to move backwards, racism is abuse against a person's colour, nationality, etc. Now when you were abused based on your colour you experienced racism, there is no reversal element about it.

seahorse

scanlas wrote: »

Racism is discrimination based on race. It's not discrimination based on being black. If white people are discriminated based on race that is racism, not reverse racism.

+ 1

I'm not in the mood of posting at legnth about this today, but I would have to add that I've seen a lot more racism deemed socially acceptable when directed towards whites than towards blacks.

I remember watching an evening discussion programme on RTE a couple of years back where a black woman shouted at the Irish people round the table: "WHAT IS YOUR IRISH CULTURE ANYWAY? GETTING DRUNK AND EATING POTATOES???" Nobody said a word. Wow, I thought; had that been an Irish woman shouting insulting comments to a room full of black people about their culture on national TV, you can be damn sure it'd have made the nine o'clock news.

scanlas

When I hear terms like reverse racism used in this sense it annoys me, it's a sign of brainwashing and not thinking for yourself. The lemming who doesn't think for himself hears racism in the media and sees pictures of black people being abused and thinks racism is discrimination against black people. I know I'm being harsh here but the stupidity annoys me.

I'm just waiting for someone to post about reverse sexism.

OldJay

Liam79 wrote: »

I agree with you velvet. Racism is racism. And black on white racism is still racism. Some people use history as an excuse, they say that bacause some people were trod on/abused due to their race/colour/nationality, it is now ok for black people to give it back. Almost like some kind of "Payback"......???

Nobody has justified what you describe. They've explained why things have turned out as they are but they have never said that is was all fine and dandy.

Whats surprising is that you seem surprised that certain non-white people feel like they do.

NickNolte

Is reverse racism not an unjustified accusation of racism? Like 'reverse snobbery'... e.g. when football supporters claim to be 'street' and 'working class' and accuse, say, rugby players of being rich ponces who talk with Dort accents?

The term 'reverse racism' doesn't really suggest racism to me - just a retarded generalisation and accusation of such. Maybe I'm wrong. Never even heard the term before

To be honest; racism against Irish people doesn't really bother me at all. I have no hang-ups or insecurities about my nationality.

minusorange

Probably the first time I heard the term reverse racism was in a discussion on Malcolm X's autobiography. Needless to say it's just by the numbers racism. Plain, ugly and disgusting. The guy was a racist. A white devil is a white devil.

Have we not risen above these stupid turns of phrase, which for my money tend to detract from the core issue's raised.

minusorange

Yusuf Wrong Tomcat wrote: »

To be honest; racism against Irish people doesn't really bother me at all. I have no hang-ups or insecurities about my nationality.

I'm the exact same myself to be honest but it doesn't make it any way acceptable.

If you had a black or asian friend who had no hang-up's about his race or nationality would you be comfortable with people pegging it at him?

I get what you're saying but I'm sure you'd have the good sense to stamp it out where you can.

Piste

TBH If a black person used a racial slur on me I'd have no problem turning around and calling them a "****ing n!gger". Same goes for any other race. You give as good as you get. Same way if a black person made the same quip that woman did about the Irish drinking and eating potatoes I'd have no problem answering back with a similar quip about AIDS and cotton-picking. Tit for tat.


Unfortunately a lot of people sem to have thing primary school definition of racism. In that racism is something that happens to other people and couldn't possible be perpetrated by somebody not white.

oscarBravo

Liam79 wrote: »

...do NOT use this as a chance to vent any racist views you may have.

Piste wrote: »

TBH If a black person used a racial slur on me I'd have no problem turning around and calling them a "****ing n!gger". Same goes for any other race. You give as good as you get. Same way if a black person made the same quip that woman did about the Irish drinking and eating potatoes I'd have no problem answering back with a similar quip about AIDS and cotton-picking. Tit for tat.

I strongly recommend that anyone thinking about using this thread as a vehicle for thinly-disguised racism think twice before posting.

Note that this is a moderator instruction; don't reply to it here. If you have a problem with it, PM me or take it to the Help Desk.

thorbarry

Racism is racism, no matter who is saying. Here is a good recent example that happened in a football match this weekend. The police are investigation a black footballer for using racist language against a white ball boy

http://www.tribalfootball.com/blackburn%E2%80%99s-diouf-facing-fa-sanctions-racism-331881

The Senegalese striker allegedly said ‘F**k off, white boy’ to the ball boy and the incident is being investigated by both police and the FA.

profitius

Yusuf Wrong Tomcat wrote: »

To be honest; racism against Irish people doesn't really bother me at all. I have no hang-ups or insecurities about my nationality.

I feel the same. When I see Irish people complain about it its obvious they have some insecurities somewhere. People need to have thicker skin.

Bottle_of_Smoke

I think its happening in Dublin to natives. Centra near me looking for full-time staff the odd time, never seen an Irish person working there. Thought I did once but on close inspection she was Eastern-European.

Don't think its racism per se - reckon employers just feel foreigners are less likely to take a better job offer somewhere else.

Perhaps one could argue this is fair enough for small-medium businesses but would one say the same if a firm employed men over women because they won't be getting pregnant.

I believe its a serious issue, if I weren't educated I think I'd be signing up to a BNP type party. And if I started a moderate group I'd be called a BNP Nazi anyway. Of course the government will wait until we have serious racism problems before they do anything about it. Don't really blame them because liberal extremists would attack them if they intervened in any reasonable manner.

seanybiker

Reverse racism? Where did that come from.
It sounds like someone going around loving other races because they are different colour, nationality or whatever.
Can imagine a load of reverse racists running around shouting compliments to people.

Fuinseog

metrovelvet wrote: »

There is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is racism. But some are permitted, like the DO YOU HATE THE ENGLISH thread.

If you had a DO YOU HATE ARABS thread it would have been shut down and a siteban would have occurred.

its interesting that the EU had a comic out called 'me ,a racist!', which implied that we are all racist to an extent. it was withdrawn, because it did not fit into the PC view which declares that blacks can't be racist.

surripere

I'm racist & comfortable knowing this. I believe all of every colour & creed are, to a certain degree. I believe it to be perfectly naturally & inherent to our nature, if unpleasant. Thats not to say I approve just accept. Subconscious will out.

Zombrex

Fuinseog wrote: »

its interesting that the EU had a comic out called 'me ,a racist!', which implied that we are all racist to an extent. it was withdrawn, because it did not fit into the PC view which declares that blacks can't be racist.

It was? It is still up on their website.

Zombrex

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I think its happening in Dublin to natives. Centra near me looking for full-time staff the odd time, never seen an Irish person working there. Thought I did once but on close inspection she was Eastern-European.

Don't think its racism per se - reckon employers just feel foreigners are less likely to take a better job offer somewhere else.

Perhaps one could argue this is fair enough for small-medium businesses but would one say the same if a firm employed men over women because they won't be getting pregnant.

You have made a bit of a jump there.

Do you have any evidence that Centra are purposefully not hiring Irish people based on a stereotypical idea of how unmotivated/uneducated foreign people are?

Zombrex

seanybiker wrote: »

Reverse racism? Where did that come from.

America.

It is a term used to describe (negatively) programs such as affirmative action, where you create programs to discriminate in the opposite direction of traditionally held racism. Hence reverse racism. I'm not sure that the "reverse" actually refers to the racism bit, it means (I thought) racism in the reverse direction it has traditionally been applied, rather than implying that this is some how different to racism

ArthurGuinness

Going back to what was Conor said on the original thread about African Americans suffering years of slavery and abuse etc and this is a valid reason for their attitude towards white people and the general chip on their shoulder. My response to that is so did we Google Irish slaves in the Caribbean, we suffered the same if not more than African Americans but we don't use this as an excuse to intimidate people or victimize people because of their race or the color of there skin yes we have the whole hating the English thing but that is only now a very small minority or a few songs in the pub when you have had a few to many. How many Irish people would kick an English person off a carriage on the luas for being English, I dont know any that would. I agree completely with the OP I just hope that Ireland dosnt end up like the US as so many people of African descent from around the world understandably take so much influence in their American counterparts yet in my opinion they are taking influence from the wrong ones.

I have had a bit of a rant about this here today already so I wont say anymore http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055702870

Bottle_of_Smoke

Wicknight wrote: »

You have made a bit of a jump there.

Do you have any evidence that Centra are purposefully not hiring Irish people based on a stereotypical idea of how unmotivated/uneducated foreign people are?

I didn't mean it in that sense. I don't think foreigners are unmotivated/uneducated, however, I think that they are less likely to leave a reliable job as they don't have the back-up of as many firends/family if the new job didn't work out.

I don't have evidence of this, but there is evidence that centra aren't hiring Irish staff. I think the above is a possible reason, though I'm not claiming its fact or anything.

Sorry about bumping thread, forgot about it and just came across it with the search function