"proper id"

coletrickle. · 13-09-2009 6:22pm #1

was out last nite for my mates 21st , went to the bar while we were waiting some man walked up and asked me and my mate if we had id we both handed him our driving licences , he turns and says to us you know thats not proper id but says go on get your drinks anyway .
then were still waiting at the bar and the barman asks have yous two got id we both hand driving licence again and he says you know thats not proper id me been a bit annoyed at this stage asks well what would you consider proper id he said a passport is proper you can easily fake driving licences , me getting more annoyed says i havent got a passport and even if i did i wouldnt be bringing it out me everytime i wanted to have a drink and then he says dont get be getting annoyed at me ill be the one wholl get in trouble if the garda come in here and find people without proper id .
anyone have any problems like this or were they just pricks ?????

FearDark · 13-09-2009 6:24pm

21 and never left the country?

AlmightyCushion · 13-09-2009 6:25pm

A lot of places will only take passport and age card as proof of id.

wudangclan · 13-09-2009 6:27pm

if a driving licience is good enough i.d. for a guard surely it's good enough to buy a drink?
or does the law say different?

chin_grin · 13-09-2009 6:27pm

He says to me that she said to him that I said back and now I'm saying it to you.

You must look young so. Get a passport, bring it out with you and keep it safe. Crisis averted.

mikom · 13-09-2009 6:28pm

Grow a beard if you can...........

FearDark · 13-09-2009 6:29pm

It does suck though, when I was 18,19,20 there were no age-cards so I had the old green licence in a ball in the wallet and was constantly asked by bouncers to get "proper ID"... I just never did get proper ID and now that im bald as an egg I dont get hassle anymore.

Moral of the story, just wait until you go bald.

coletrickle. · 13-09-2009 6:31pm

FearDark wrote: »

21 and never left the country?

nah i really have a passport, was just arguing with him for the sake of it:p dont bring it out cos dont wanna risk losing it cos there exspensive ya know.
i dont look that young most nightclubs and pubs i go to dont even ask for id

Turner · 13-09-2009 6:33pm

A garda can tell the difference between a real and a fake licence.

Most barmen/bouncers could not.

Get a Garda Age card, they are accepted everywhere.

Praetorian Saighdiuir · 13-09-2009 6:33pm

From 01 Oct 2009 you need to get your birthcert tattoo'd to your forehead, if you want to get served alcohol in a bar!

Common sense never prevails!

Greyfox · 13-09-2009 6:34pm

coletrickle. wrote: »

he said a passport is proper you can easily fake driving licences...i wouldnt be bringing it out me everytime i wanted to have a drink

They were just doing what most bouncers in Ireland would do and sadly they do have the right to refuse you on these grounds, it's absoulutely riddiculous but in todays Ireland you are expexted to bring your passport with you if you want to get into a nightclub!

AnonoBoy · 13-09-2009 6:34pm

That was me OP. I didn't like the look of you guys so I fell back on the old reliable "proper ID" excuse.

Sorry.

coletrickle. · 13-09-2009 6:36pm

just to clear this up we did get our drinks

AnonoBoy · 13-09-2009 6:38pm

coletrickle. wrote: »

just to clear this up we did get our drinks

That's a lie. I had you thrown out.

schween · 13-09-2009 6:41pm

I've had this problem myself going into places on nights out. And at work I was told not to accept Drivers Licences as ID under any circumstances. I did one day and got into s**t for it from security so I didn't do it again. People get so upset and abusive over it, it's not the staff making the rules!

Just get an Age Card. Waay handier.

ep71 · 13-09-2009 6:42pm

its not that easy to fake a driving licence, if its held up to the light the real deal will show a watermark of the dail across it. i always accept driving licences as id and always use mine as id and have never had a problem

wudangclan · 13-09-2009 6:44pm

that sounds bizarre.
is it up to the staff of such premises to verify if an i.d is fake or not?

Dankoozy · 13-09-2009 6:45pm

i cant justify applying and paying for a card that's just for buying booze. dunno what the dealio is with people not accepting drivers licenses are they just trying to be obnoxious? its also mostly posh places that don't accept them

AlmightyCushion · 13-09-2009 6:48pm

Dankoozy wrote: »

i cant justify applying and paying for a card that's just for buying booze. dunno what the dealio is with people not accepting drivers licenses are they just trying to be obnoxious? its also mostly posh places that don't accept them

Tesco doesn't take a driver's license (or at least they didn't when I worked there), I'd hardly consider it posh.

schween · 13-09-2009 6:49pm

wudangclan wrote: »

that sounds bizarre.
is it up to the staff of such premises to verify if an i.d is fake or not?

No, it's not. Staff are told what to accept and what not to accept. If you don't do what they say, you get a warning or sacked.

And as for posh places...I'd hardly call Tesco, Aldi or Lidl posh.

Soby · 13-09-2009 6:49pm

Driving Licence is easily faked but also easy to tell if it is..But ye he should have accpeted it(Which they did so who cares)

Dankoozy · 13-09-2009 6:51pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Tesco doesn't take a driver's license (or at least they didn't when I worked there), I'd hardly consider it posh.

at least they take passports now but thats a recent thing. its the posh pubs that won't accept them. dunno why tesco are so fussy

the tesco in mallow also has a 'chaperone' for the off license section and if i pick up booze out of that section and i happen to have no passport on me then he comes out after me to take it off me even before i get to the till

coletrickle. · 13-09-2009 6:54pm

i was actually told in one place before that my driving licence was fake and i wouldnt be going in , i was like wtf its not fake never had a problem with it before anywhere..
ive got got 3 forms of id drivers licence, passport, and garda id

phasers · 13-09-2009 7:04pm

Tesco only take Garda IDs, it's so bloody annoying.

Also Aldi I think.

Apparently a passport isn't valid ID

coletrickle. · 13-09-2009 7:10pm

phasers wrote: »

Tesco only take Garda IDs, it's so bloody annoying.

Also Aldi I think.

Apparently a passport isn't valid ID

thats a load of bollocks, think i need to get on to joe duffy tommorow about this

kingtut · 13-09-2009 7:12pm

I use my driver's license as a form of I.D. everywhere, never ever has it been refused as a valid form of I.D. Where on earth are these places that will not accept it?

I live in Cork these days and everywhere accepts my driver's license.

Adamcp898 · 13-09-2009 7:14pm

Just get an age card????

13-09-2009 7:21pm

ID cards are a passing phase, soon everyone will be microchiped at birth (tike pets).
As you walk int the pub, you'll be scanned and a giant hammer will reject those under age. :pac:

Shouldn't joke it may happen for real - the microchipping that is.

coletrickle. · 13-09-2009 7:21pm

Adamcp898 wrote: »

Just get an age card????

i have one already

Mark200 · 13-09-2009 7:22pm

Mr.S wrote: »

They can choose what type of ID to accept, up to them. Eg Tesco dont accept passports as ID, only Garda ID.

Driving liscenses are so easly faked that hardly anywhere accepts them.

For the last year I've only ever used my driving licence as ID and it has never been rejected. It seems I was lucky enough to never try in Tesco because I didn't know they don't accept them. Although the majority of the time I give my driving licence to someone as ID they do hold it up to a light to check if it is real or fake.

Getting an age card isn't that easy!! Well it's not "difficult" either, but the police station nearest me has been out of the forms for months and also you need to get it signed by the police station and (I think) have a copy of your birth cert with you too. Not only that, but the last I heard the waiting time for it to be sent out to you is MONTHS.

I might consider getting one though in light of this discovery of hatred towards driving licences.

actua11 · 13-09-2009 7:26pm

Had my Garda I.D rejected last week in a (dimly lit) off-licence as he couldn't clearly make out the birth date and said he wasn't going to risk it! No way I could argue the point and win. Also I've a very long name that cuts across my picture on the card and thus often get refused for the picture being distorted an unclear. So even a Garda I.D doesn't always work!

I think it's the inconsistency that's the problem. Some places will take a drivers licence, some won't. Same with passports, student i.d's etc. It can even change week to week in the same place depending on what the're looking for on a particular night. Frustration is understandable.

Mark200 wrote: »

Getting an age card isn't that easy!! Well it's not "difficult" either, but the police station nearest me has been out of the forms for months and also you need to get it signed by the police station and (I think) have a copy of your birth cert with you too. Not only that, but the last I heard the waiting time for it to be sent out to you is MONTHS.

True, waited three weeks for mine and hade to send it back as the spelt my name wrong. Also a postal order is the only form of acceptable payment for some reason? Tis all very stressful!

tman · 13-09-2009 7:27pm

Dankoozy wrote: »

i cant justify applying and paying for a card that's just for buying booze. dunno what the dealio is with people not accepting drivers licenses are they just trying to be obnoxious? its also mostly posh places that don't accept them

Yet you're too scared to take your passport out for fear of losing it?
A fiver for an easily replaceable, wallet sized age card is well worth it imo

coletrickle. · 13-09-2009 7:30pm

tman wrote: »

Yet you're too scared to take your passport out for fear of losing it?
A fiver for an easily replaceable, wallet sized age card is well worth it imo

you should read back over the posts that wasnt my post at all , ive got all 3 forms of id . and the garda isnt easily replaceable have to wait around six weeks on it

soups05 · 13-09-2009 7:35pm

FearDark wrote: »

21 and never left the country?

i got my first passport in january...am 38.

not everyone has one. i think a driving licence should be accepted. staff should not be expected to be experts in detecting forgeries.

P_1 · 13-09-2009 7:39pm

Had some bouncer try to reject my Garda ID a few weeks ago telling me it wasn't valid any more and I had to get a new one.

Politely told him where to go with that as I was not giving that shower of ***** in the government any more of my hard earned.

coletrickle. · 13-09-2009 7:40pm

pithater1 wrote: »

Had some bouncer try to reject my Garda ID a few weeks ago telling me it wasn't valid any more and I had to get a new one.

Politely told him where to go with that as I was not giving that shower of ***** in the government any more of my hard earned.

if youre 18 to 21 u can get the new age card for free if you give your old one in http://www.agecard.ie/

Dante · 13-09-2009 7:43pm

Everyone has fake drivers liscences these days so not many places accept them which is reasonable. My local club have randomly stopped accepting Garda ID's which is absolutely rediculous.

actua11 · 13-09-2009 7:47pm

pithater1 wrote: »

Had some bouncer try to reject my Garda ID a few weeks ago telling me it wasn't valid any more and I had to get a new one.

From the FAQs section @ agecard.ie -

"I have an old style Age Card is it still valid?
Yes, there is no expiry date on your old card."

Bouncer was in the wrong, should've accepted the i.d.

Jazzy · 13-09-2009 7:51pm

i know a guy who robbed a box of age cards a few years back. made a fair bit faking them. my nextdoor neighbour back in teh day gave his older brothers details to get one. delivered 2 days later. they are a load of arse.

Dankoozy · 13-09-2009 7:54pm

tman wrote: »

Yet you're too scared to take your passport out for fear of losing it?
A fiver for an easily replaceable, wallet sized age card is well worth it imo

You cant do anything with it other than buying overpriced and overtaxed booze. Even if it was free i wouldnt apply for one

P_1 · 13-09-2009 7:54pm

I pretty much laughed at him and walked straight in.:D

13-09-2009 7:57pm

With so many fake ID's in the field, it's no wonder so many are being rejected as untrustworthy.

If you want to put any blame on someone, blame the forgers and those who use fake ID.

paddypender · 13-09-2009 7:58pm

Never had a poblem with a drivers licence in waterford anyway except for tesco they wont except them.
Drivers licences are easy to fake but there a piece of piss to figure out which is fake and which is real a quick look under a black light and you'll see it change colour with random fibres all over it i dont think theres any water mark though at least there isnt one on mine
And the age cards are a joke the amount of mistakes on them is unreal

ScumLord · 13-09-2009 8:10pm

I would never risk either my passport or my drivers license on a night out, both are fairly prised possessions for me. I was only ever asked for ID once in my life so it's not much of an issue I suppose.

schween wrote: »

I've had this problem myself going into places on nights out. And at work I was told not to accept Drivers Licences as ID under any circumstances. I did one day and got into s**t for it from security so I didn't do it again. People get so upset and abusive over it, it's not the staff making the rules!

Just get an Age Card. Waay handier.

I hate this though, I know it's not your fault and your not going to risk your job but I hate the fact there's no acountablitly these days, it's never any ones fault. It always goes the same way no matter who or what your dealing with. It's not my fault it's the management, it's the system, our solicitors make us do it, that book up on the shelf says we have to do it this way. I'm not picking on you scan it's just a horrible, annoying part of modern life.

Miss Lockhart · 13-09-2009 8:15pm

I'm 26 and still asked for id every time.

My passport recently got refused as id in Tesco when buying cigarettes. Thankfully, a Garda was waiting in the queue and told them to accept it, so they did.

I just don't see why I should have to shell out for Garda id at 26 to keep Tesco happy.

13-09-2009 8:19pm

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

I'm 26 and still asked for id every time.

My passport recently got refused as id in Tesco when buying cigarettes. Thankfully, a Garda was waiting in the queue and told them to accept it, so they did.

I just don't see why I should have to shell out for Garda id at 26 to keep Tesco happy.

You should be out giving tips to women on how to look young!

squod · 13-09-2009 8:51pm

coletrickle. wrote: »

just pricks

You said it.

Dankoozy · 13-09-2009 9:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

B]blame the forgers and those who use fake ID[/B].

I blame the whole, ultra-accountable "everything by the letter of the law" litigious culture that is trying in vain to stop anyone under the age of 18 from having a sup of booze.

really they should get rid of all the restrictions on sale of alcohol, these days the law is pervasive enough as it is.

karlog · 13-09-2009 9:47pm

Any bouncer should learn to tell the difference between a fake and real driving license. Checking id's is part of their job right, they should at least be good at it.

Birdie086 · 13-09-2009 9:54pm

Miss Lockhart wrote: »

I'm 26 and still asked for id every time.

My passport recently got refused as id in Tesco when buying cigarettes. Thankfully, a Garda was waiting in the queue and told them to accept it, so they did.

I just don't see why I should have to shell out for Garda id at 26 to keep Tesco happy.

Any chance you would share your secret, would love to be asked for id:D

weeder · 13-09-2009 10:34pm

FearDark wrote: »

21 and never left the country?

you dont need a passport to leave the country

"proper id"

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