free electricity?

wudangclan

has anyone heard of this?
i was discussing a work project with a colleague and we were on the issue of a power source when he told me there is a magnetic generator from oz that generates free electricity.

http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2008/03/07/aussie-free-energy-generator-presented-by-sky-news/

free electricity? we should be importing these by the dozen.

if i have that powering my car, i might aswell go right ahead and throw in a flux capacitor for good measure.

zuroph

steorn did it. :pac:

maherro

Sorry to break it to you lads but impossible! Thermodynamics states theres no such thing as free energy - its the same thing as perpetual motion

wudangclan

Deleted User wrote: »

if i have that powering my car, i might aswell go right ahead and throw in a flux capacitor for good measure.

well then,can you go to the future and find out how derren brown got those lotto numbers,please?

wudangclan

maherro wrote: »

Sorry to break it to you lads but impossible! Thermodynamics states theres no such thing as free energy - its the same thing as perpetual motion

thats what i said.


*actually i said 'gtfo'

AckwelFoley

you cant create free energy.

Energy isnt created its just changed from one form to another.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

This is the conclusion to Lost, isn't it? It turns out that the island is actually Australia?

sweet-rasmus

yeah, there was something similar with magnetics and a wind turbine was on nationwide a few weeks ago. a family were using the electricity they made to mostly power their home

wudangclan

wudangclan wrote: »

well then,can you go to the future and find out how derren brown got those lotto numbers,please?

if i go into the future, i'll get the lotto numbers myself and go back in time and pull the same trick myself.. except buy the ticket aswell.

first you get the time machine, then you get the lotto numbers, then you get the women.

El Weirdo

That was from a couple of years ago. The inventor probably had an "accident" soon after the piece was broadcast...

My name is URL

snyper wrote: »

you cant create free energy.

Energy isnt created its just changed from one form to another.

Yeah, it can't be destroyed either, so where the hell is it all going? :pac:

zuroph

My name is URL wrote: »

Yeah, it can't be destroyed either, so where the hell is it all going? :pac:

batteries. must be millions of them now, they keep creating new shapes and sizes too. crafty little ****ers.

Pygmalion

My name is URL wrote: »

Yeah, it can't be destroyed either, so where the hell is it all going? :pac:

Given off as heat, electrical wires generate a certain amount of heat (as do plenty of other things, through friction and the like).

If you're in an enclosed space with lots of electronics you can feel the heat, but once it gets outside (or in a big enough space) the heat change is too small to be noticed, as it's spread out so much, eventually much of it is lost to space I believe.

And of course the reason that no-one is panicing about space stealing our energy is because the Sun gives back far more than is being lost.

Interestingly enough most applicances "waste" more energy than they actually use.
The reason that the new lightbulbs can give the same (or almost the same) amount of light as the old ones on a fraction of the electricity cost is that something like 80% of energy is wasted in old lightbulbs as heat, only 20% is actually light, whereas in new lightbulbs it's much more efficient.

AckwelFoley

Pygmalion wrote: »

Given off as heat, electrical wires generate a certain amount of heat (as do plenty of other things, through friction and the like).

Aye, but heat is energy too.

DublinWriter

zuroph wrote: »

steorn did it. :pac:

Oh no they didn't (I know it's a little too early for panto season).

Rented Mule

wudangclan wrote: »

well then,can you go to the future and find out how derren brown got those lotto numbers,please?

Derren Brown ....Doc Brown .....can't believe that you didn't make the connection.

Pygmalion

snyper wrote: »

Aye, but heat is energy too.

Yeah but it can't really be used by us when it's just given off as waste all over the place, and I think it eventually just leaves the atmosphere, which explains where the energy all goes.

Jeebus

snyper wrote: »

you cant create free energy.

Energy isnt created its just changed from one form to another.

I see your theory and rape it with my own :

E=mc^2.

You're all ****ed now !

Pygmalion

Jeebus wrote: »

I see your theory and rape it with my own :

E=mc^2.

You're all ****ed now !

That's why nowadays the more correct name is "Law of mass-energy conservation" (or something similar) instead of "Law of energy conservation" (or something similar)

In nuclear reactions energy and mass can be converted back and forth, but making energy out of nothing is still impossible, so his statement that "you cant create free energy" still holds.

And no, the device the OP mentions in no way converts mass to energy, that would require a nuclear reactor.
There have been plenty of devices like the OPs claimed to have been invented.
None have ever been shown to work, and the inventors usually take off with the investors money shortly after it's handed over.

AckwelFoley

Pygmalion wrote: »

That's why nowadays the more correct name is "Law of mass-energy conservation" (or something similar) instead of "Law of energy conservation" (or something similar)

In nuclear reactions energy and mass can be converted back and forth, but making energy out of nothing is still impossible, so his statement that "you cant create free energy" still holds.

And no, the device the OP mentions in no way converts mass to energy, that would require a nuclear reactor.
There have been plenty of devices like the OPs claimed to have been invented.
None have ever been shown to work, and the inventors usually take off with the investors money shortly after it's handed over.

As i dont have further knowledge to add to your post or refute it, i shall simply reply with a

"YORE MA!!"

Krieg

Jeebus wrote: »

E=mc^2.

You're all ****ed now !

I divide by zero

Ha!

Lisa, get in here!

eheh

In this house we obey the laws of THERMODYNAMICS!

TPD

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pikachucheeks

Deleted User wrote: »

if i have that powering my car, i might aswell go right ahead and throw in a flux capacitor for good measure.

"Flux capacitor" reminds me of that Busted 'Year 3000' song...

galwayrush

Energy can't be created out of nothing, after a suitable meal , i can convert that through my arse into a super charged energy that could power a rocket ship, working on how to harness the awesome power.:cool:

netwhizkid

If you position magnets properly arround the ESB Meter you can stop it from turning / free energy*

*Considered stealing, be prepared for having a can of judge on your ass if caught.

fifth

If there was free electricity, I think we'd need to let this guy know..

dr.bollocko

snyper wrote: »

As i dont have further knowledge to add to your post or refute it, i shall simply reply with a

"YORE MA!!"

Bad snyper.

994

It says it can generate "24 kilowatts a day" ... unit fail.

(kilowatt = 1000 joules per second, so this means "24,000 joules per second per day", which is meaningless)

The guy

maherro wrote: »

Sorry to break it to you lads but impossible! Thermodynamics states theres no such thing as free energy - its the same thing as perpetual motion

Beat me to it.

The saying that it's too good to be true always applies.

nouveau_4.0

Where is the loss with a pendulum in a vacuum, or will it keep going forever?

Dr_H_Lecter

the yore ma has been sounded
this conversation is over.

galwayrush

Seriously, it's quite easy to get electricity by induction from any overhead power line.;)

Banter Joe

nouveau_4.0 wrote: »

Where is the loss with a pendulum in a vacuum, or will it keep going forever?

The energy is just being converted from potential to kinetic and back to potential again.
I'd imagine that friction in the pendulum joint would cause some of the energy to be converted to heat which would eventually cause the pendulum to stop, even in a vacumn.

pikachucheeks

pikachucheeks wrote: »

"Flux capacitor" reminds me of that Busted 'Year 3000' song...

it would remind most people of back to the future tho :cool:

galwayrush

Banter Joe wrote: »

The energy is just being converted from potential to kinetic and back to potential again.

So free electricity is potentially possible?...........................:pac:

grabs coat and runs...............

nouveau_4.0

Banter Joe wrote: »

The energy is just being converted from potential to kinetic and back to potential again.
I'd imagine that friction in the pendulum joint would cause some of the energy to be converted to heat which would eventually cause the pendulum to stop, even in a vacumn.

I understand that. I'm looking for a source of loss in the system. Or will its motion continue perpetually

Banter Joe

Banter Joe wrote: »

The energy is just being converted from potential to kinetic and back to potential again.
I'd imagine that friction in the pendulum joint would cause some of the energy to be converted to heat which would eventually cause the pendulum to stop, even in a vacumn.

Magnetic bearings, zero friction!
It would eventually stop as gravity will be acting to pull it down.

nouveau_4.0

Deleted User wrote: »

Magnetic bearings, zero friction!
It would eventually stop as gravity will be acting to pull it down.

But isn't the gravitational force the force which converts the potential energy into kinetic.

If I'm thinking correctly (which I'm probably not) that is part of the system, not loss in the system

Banter Joe

Deleted User wrote: »

Magnetic bearings, zero friction!
It would eventually stop as gravity will be acting to pull it down.

Apparently I decided to ignore gravity for some reason!

nouveau_4.0

nouveau_4.0 wrote: »

But isn't the gravitational force the force which converts the potential energy into kinetic.

If I'm thinking correctly (which I'm probably not) that is part of the system, not loss in the system

On every upswing the force of gravity is against the pendulum, on every downswing it adds to it. The attraction between the pendulum and the centre of the earth is stronger when the pendulum is at the bottom of its swing, eventually it would stop.

laugh

My name is URL wrote: »

Yeah, it can't be destroyed either, so where the hell is it all going? :pac:

Space, easy to get back it is not.

nouveau_4.0

Deleted User wrote: »

On every upswing the force of gravity is against the pendulum, on every downswing it adds to it. The attraction between the pendulum and the centre of the earth is stronger when the pendulum is at the bottom of its swing, eventually it would stop.

Ok, I'll take that. It would be fair minute, but ya in theory that would work I guess.

Capt'n Midnight

Hydroelectricity is nearly free, after the startup costs.

Solar likewise but even lower maintanance costs , but startup costs mean it's cheaper to pay the ESB than pay for the interest on the loan.

At present the things you should do to reduce your energy bills is replace your appliances with more energy efficient ones and improve home insulation, unless you have access to a stream or have room for a wind turbine and pumped storage.

gar32

This video is old and this guy had for a few weeks how to make these machines online. He got to making 90% of it and had 1 video to go. He was talking about oil industry and govenments not wanting him to release these machine. The last video never came online and it changed to a web site selling ebook. I think he was paid off or worst stopped by force. As for the machine it seemed posibble. The force from the magnets catch the rotating bar just after gravity pulled it past the 7 o'clock mark. Then pushed it up to 1 o'clock where more would push it down to 7 o'clock.

I am hoping some one somewhere got it working and we will see it ourselves working soon.

wudangclan

gar32 wrote: »

This video is old and this guy had for a few weeks how to make these machines online. He got to making 90% of it and had 1 video to go. He was talking about oil industry and govenments not wanting him to release these machine. The last video never came online and it changed to a web site selling ebook. I think he was paid off or worst stopped by force. As for the machine it seemed posibble. The force from the magnets catch the rotating bar just after gravity pulled it past the 7 o'clock mark. Then pushed it up to 1 o'clock where more would push it down to 7 o'clock.

I am hoping some one somewhere got it working and we will see it ourselves working soon.

shades of nicola tesla and his radient energy,there.
from what i could make out googling it the generator from this company,lutec, isn't commercially available.
still hard to figure if it's real or a scam.

Zillah

wudangclan wrote: »

still hard to figure if it's real or a scam.

gar32 wrote: »

I am hoping some one somewhere got it working and we will see it ourselves working soon.

It's a scam. The universe does not work like this. Shock horror, apparently he upped and vanished just before he showed the world how his device was made.

Wez

Zillah wrote: »

Apparently

Key word in that sentence..

Oh, and while we're on this kinda topic..

wudangclan

Zillah wrote: »

The universe does not work like this. device was

it was considered that the laws of the universe stopped with newton and then along came einstein...
would be nice if this worked,if it's a scam,well....
human behaviour is much more predictable then;)

Pygmalion

No device like this has ever been shown to work, every single time someone has claimed to have one work it's been shown to be not true, or the inventor just disappears, along with investors money, never given a proper demonstration at all.

For every person/company that has a reason to secretly murder these inventors and leave no trace of them, there are probably at least a thousand people/companies/governments that would want this out in the open and easily available.
For some reason the inventors choose not to go to one of these, they choose to find gullible rich people who no-one has ever heard of, take their cash and then disappear with it without ever proving that their ideas work.

Please Boards, stop spouting this nonsense, you're better than this.