Busted by Undercover at Electric Picnic 09

chaddy7

Got busted by an undercover gaurd at electric picnic.
i was just sitting in the campsite wit my friends when this fella walks in on
us and asks for a smoke of the joint i was smokin, then he flashed da badge.
i handed over my green and complied fully with him. he then took me to the garda tent and further searched me. nothing else was found
on the form he filled out
i was caught with 50e of cannabis herb
also written down was my attitude was good.

ill be back up in 6months for court he said

i know allot of people last year and this year have suffered the same faith

just wondering what should i expect to happen?
and if any one else has a similar story let me know.

Fink Goddie

God have they nothing better to do.

Cróga

Fink Goddie wrote: »

God have they nothing better to do.

These policy enforcers have to create revenue for the state and they also have a quota to meet or else they'd lose their jobs. Just shows how much our police officers have been corporately taken over by... sure if you just do a search on your local police station on http://www.dnb.com you'll find it's a corporation which trades for profit.

just wondering what should i expect to happen?
and if any one else has a similar story let me know.

First of all you've havent broken any law, you've broken their statute which only has the force of law (meaning they need your consent) so you must have waived your rights without knowing it. THey use words that you think is common english when in fact its legalese and means completely different... for example "do you understand" meaning "do you stand under my authority"... if u said yes you've consented to being arse raped. Thats just one example. Im not given out legal advice because i cant, im not qualified, im just some rambling eijit So i suggest you contact a solicitor. Legal advice isnt allowed on here either according to the charter. And watch this video

Maximilian

Croga wrote: »

These policy enforcers have to create revenue for the state and they also have a quota to meet or else they'd lose their jobs. Just shows how much our police officers have been corporately taken over by... sure if you just do a search on your local police station on http://www.dnb.com you'll find it's a corporation which trades for profit.



First of all you've havent broken any law, you've broken their statute which only has the force of law (meaning they need your consent) so you must have waived your rights without knowing it. THey use words that you think is common english when in fact its legalese and means completely different... for example "do you understand" meaning "do you stand under my authority"... if u said yes you've consented to being arse raped. Thats just one example. Im not given out legal advice because i cant, im not qualified, im just some rambling eijit So i suggest you contact a solicitor. Legal advice isnt allowed on here either according to the charter. And watch this video

What? May I direct you here.

Tellox

You were very unlucky. I've a friend who was busted too (let's call him Joey Joe Joe) - but only had around €25's worth on him in soapbar. The undercover gave it back to him, told him to cop the **** on and smoke it inside the tent before someone else saw him.

You can argue that €50's worth is for personal use over the weekend..but all in all, it's an illegal substance which you should not have had. If they do bother bringing you to court, I would say a small fine/community service in the worst case scenario.

Hooch

Tellox wrote: »

You can argue that €50's worth is for personal use over the weekend..but all in all, it's an illegal substance which you should not have had. If they do bother bringing you to court, I would say a small fine/community service in the worst case scenario.

Unless you have previous.....

O/P wait and see if a summons arrives. If it does make an appointment with a solicitor for advice:)

Johnny Drama.

chaddy7 wrote: »

Got busted by an undercover gaurd at electric picnic.
i was just sitting in the campsite wit my friends when this fella walks in on
us and asks for a smoke of the joint i was smokin, then he flashed da badge.
i handed over my green and complied fully with him. he then took me to the garda tent and further searched me. nothing else was found
on the form he filled out
i was caught with 50e of cannabis herb (was actually at least 100e worth)
also written down was my attitude was good.

ill be back up in 6months for court he said

i know allot of people last year and this year have suffered the same faith

just wondering what should i expect to happen?.

They should lock you up and throw away the key, you people are the reason these drugs are brought into this country & sold.

Our man in Havana

Portlaoise District Court is always fun after the electric picnic.

Tellox

Johnny Drama. wrote: »

They should lock you up and throw away the key, you people are the reason these drugs are brought into this country & sold.

Too right, don't you know you're much safer downing a few bottles of Vodka and wandering around pissing on tents, getting argumentative, and vomiting all over the arena? Not to mention you'd be supporting our economic recovery with paying taxes on booze!

You hippies with your "chill out smoke" are what's ruining this country.

Johnny Drama.

Tellox wrote: »

Too right, don't you know you're much safer downing a few bottles of Vodka and wandering around pissing on tents, getting argumentative, and vomiting all over the arena? Not to mention you'd be supporting our economic recovery with paying taxes on booze!

You hippies with your "chill out smoke" are what's ruining this country.

Drugs are drugs.

doesn't matter if its €25 or €50 worth its still going into some drug dealing scum bags pocket.

poisonated

theres a shocker:because people buy weed.weed is sold.wow!

They should have just taken it off you.Bringing you to court just for that seems very extreme.You said you were polite.Unless you,personaly,were attempting to sell it.They should have taken it off you and left it at that.There are many great gardai out there but there are a handful that live so by the book its unreal.These annoy me and encite hatred towards the gardai as a group.

John_Mc

Johnny Drama. wrote: »

Drugs are drugs.

doesn't matter if its €25 or €50 worth its still going into some drug dealing scum bags pocket.

And people will take them no matter who sells them. Prohibition doesn't work, and your simplistic attitude is simply not applicable nor is it realistic.

Get off your high horse there, it was a bit of smoke FFS :rolleyes:

Johnny Drama.

you deserve your CRIMINAL RECORD.

John_Mc

Johnny Drama. wrote: »

you deserve your CRIMINAL RECORD.

HAHA, whatever you TROLL.

Hooch

poisonated wrote: »

theres a shocker:because people buy weed.weed is sold.wow!

They should have just taken it off you.Bringing you to court just for that seems very extreme.You said you were polite.Unless you,personaly,were attempting to sell it.They should have taken it off you and left it at that.There are many great gardai out there but there are a handful that live so by the book its unreal.These annoy me and encite hatred towards the gardai as a group.

Your 100% right. Like if im stopped speeding all I have to do is be polite and the Garda wont give me a ticket.

........now wheres my axe........if im polite about it they wont call me an axe weilding murderer.....the judge will let me off:D

Gardaí by the book:eek:. The shock horror of it....they accually uphold the legislation!!! And Gardaí upholding the law annoy and encite you!! Wow nice one

trad

John_Mc wrote: »

And people will take them no matter who sells them. Prohibition doesn't work, and your simplistic attitude is simply not applicable nor is it realistic.

Get off your high horse there, it was a bit of smoke FFS :rolleyes:

Keep that in mind when you apply for a visa to enter Australia, USA etc. A criminal conviction for possession of a controlled substance (and that's what it is) may debarr you from being granted a visa. Also any job that requires Garda vetting, you can forget about that as well.

poisonated

That's a good point trad.That is what I mean.Its absoultely rediculas that because a young lad wants to unwind and do a bit of weed.He may get a criminal record and feck up his life(most likely not going to happen).A garda has the power to not enflict such misery onto ones life.There are some gardai out there who need to use a bit of common sense.At the end of the day,he wasn't hurting anyone(except himself).drugs are bad.I dont do them btw.

That analogy you used btw about murdering someone is completely inapt btw nice guy always.

Hooch

poisonated wrote: »

A garda has the power to not enflict such misery onto ones life.There are some gardai out there who need to use a bit of common sense.

And does the person smoking it not have that choice?? All persons who, by their own choice, use illegal substances need to use a bit of common sence.

Its illegal.....live with it.

trad

poisonated wrote: »

That analogy you used btw about murdering someone is completely inapt btw nice guy always.

And just how many people have been murdered by drug gangs in the last decade? These are the same gangs that supply you ilicit substances.

Maximilian

Wow, off-topic thread is off-topic.

OP, the best advice you can get here is to try not to worry too much about it until you get a summons. There's nothing you can do about it anyway.

If you do get a summons (and you might not) then as suggested earlier, go and see a solicitor, who will no doubt do their best to help you avoid a conviction if possible.

Hopefully you've learned your lesson as regards doing that sort of thing in public. You never know who is watching. I suspect some guards might turn a blind eye sometimes but when it's in public and in plain view, that forces even the most liberal guard's hand I suspect.

whynotwhycanti

OP, don't be bothered by those ignorant, holier than thou posters telling you its an illegal substance, you get what you deserve etc.. You'd swear these people are upstanding citizens, have never broken a law in their life, have never driven over the speed limit in their car, pissed in public, been drunk and disorderly on a saturday night, downloaded music for free. There's what is illegal and what is legal and the fact people can choose some illegalitys they partake in and then others that they criticise, they are bloody hyporcites and don't let them rattle your cage. You may have grown it yourself for all they know and would not be contributing to the criminal underworld in any shape or form. Even if you did get it off a dealer, its not you who have chosen for this to be an illegal substance and chosen prohibition, which obviously isn't working as the amount of poeple off there heads in EP is testament to that. Drugs exist, illegal and legal and people like taking them.

Anyway, back to point. A mate of mine got caught with about a half an ounce of soap bar few years back in oxigen. He got summonsed and got a fine and warning, no criminal record so no affect on his potential visa status. You may not even get summonsed

Maximilian

Ok, this thread is pretty close to closure.

OP I edited your original post by the way for your own good.

Shallow Grave, I just plain deleted yours.

In case any of you don't realise, you are not as anonymous as you might think you are.

Admitting to criminal conduct on a public forum is somewhat retarded.

My ban hammer is now primed.

[strange obsessive grammatical nazi gripe] And poisonated: it is spelled "ridiculous"!! My god why does everyone spell that wrong on the internet. [/strange obsessive grammatcial nazi gripe]

McCrack

I've sympathy for both sides of the camp here, the Garda doing his duty and the OP.

This sort of thing doesn't do the Garda's public image any good IF the facts are as you state them AND the member prosecutes.

If I were the cop I'd be inclined to conficate and give a warning and leave it at that, but that's me.

If you are summonsed the Probation of Offenders Act springs to my mind which for all intents is a slap on the wrist (no criminal conviction). This is my opinion however so treat it as that.

timmyjimmy

Hi OP. I got caught with pretty much the same amount as you last year. Expect a summons to attend Portlaoise court around March/April. The court usually goes on in early May. All the people that were caught at Electric Picnic are at this court and believe me, there are some heads there! Due to the amount you got caught with and depending on your employment situation, expect a fine of between €150 - €500. I got €400 myself. It doesn't matter if it's a class A,B,C drug as they all carry the same penalties. I wouldn't bother getting a solicitor either. You won't receive any record as you will need to be caught 2 more times with similar amounts.

Hope this is of help to you. I learned my lesson this year, I made sure to do any toking in my tent and not get caught!

dermot_sheehan

You'll get summoned and for a first offence you face a fine.

You will however have a drugs conviction.

A decent solicitor would argue that since you were sleeping in the tent it was your dwelling, and the garda unconstitutionally entered it and seized the drugs without a warrant.

Tom Young

gabhain7 wrote: »

A decent solicitor would argue that since you were sleeping in the tent it was your dwelling, and the garda unconstitutionally entered it and seized the drugs without a warrant.

Suggested edit:

A decent barrister would argue that since you were sleeping in the tent it was your dwelling, and the garda unconstitutionally entered it and seized the drugs without a warrant.

AlekSmart

i know allot of people last year and this year have suffered the same faith

Ah well their fate was to suffer for their Faith I suppose....

dermot_sheehan

Just re-read original post,

turns out he was in campsite and not tent

Tom Young

AlekSmart wrote: »

Ah well their fate was to suffer for their Faith I suppose....

Oh oh, I can feel a whole rant of blasphemy coming on, perhaps we could report them all to the Garda 'Omnibus man' for the craic now don't get excited folks, that's the word for banter or fun, not cocaine or heroine.

Cough.

Did 'faithless' play at Electric Picnic?!

:cool:

Stainless_Steel

OP I feel sorry for you.

You did nothing wrong, regardless if you receive a criminal record.

The creation and enforcement of such laws is not for the common good.

Our man in Havana

You did nothing wrong

Except break the law.

hullaballoo

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

OP I feel sorry for you.

You did nothing wrong, regardless if you receive a criminal record.

The creation and enforcement of such laws is not for the common good.

Exigencies!

Victor

Tellox wrote: »

Too right, don't you know you're much safer downing a few bottles of Vodka and wandering around pissing on tents,

Neither bottles not vodka were available at EP.

jill_valentine

Victor wrote: »

Neither bottles not vodka were available at EP.

I'm fairly sure you missed the point in spectacular fashion, just there...

Catmologen

Mate of mine got caught,he just gave a fake name and address.Nothing the Guards can do.

Edit: I obviously wouldnt condone this behaviour

Stainless_Steel

Bond-007 wrote: »

Except break the law.

I repeat, he did nothing wrong. Illegal yes, wrong no.

Our man in Havana

That would depend on your sense of morals.

BanzaiBk

I missed the Legal Discussion forum

Tar.Aldarion

You could say that about anything, maybe you do. hehe
Are all morals subjective rather than objective?

cushtac

Catmologen wrote: »

Mate of mine got caught,he just gave a fake name and address.Nothing the Guards can do.

Unless they check out the name & address given or have a look at the contents of the person's wallet, both of which they often do.

Stainless_Steel

Bond-007 wrote: »

That would depend on your sense of morals.

Correct, I agree.

But I bet no one can give me a reason why what the OP did was more wrong than havin a few pints, which is legal.

hullaballoo

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

Correct, I agree.

But I bet no one can give me a reason why what the OP did was more wrong than havin a few pints, which is legal.

Here's a good reason: Roy Collins.

Do you want some more? There are plenty more.

Nick_oliveri

hullaballoo wrote: »

Here's a good reason: Roy Collins.

What? Are you serious?

Its like everyone in Ireland bought their drugs off the scum that killed Roy. WTF. Im sure some nasty shítes sold alcohol in prohibition times too, and killed people. Shocker.

hullaballoo

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

What? Are you serious?

Its like everyone in Ireland bought their drugs off the scum that killed Roy. WTF. Im sure some nasty shítes sold alcohol in prohibition times too, and killed people. Shocker.

1920s America? Not a huge problem for those concerned with the law in Ireland today.

Anyway, it's not a huge leap to say that the drugs trade is responsible for shootings and gun-related murders in Ireland. So yeah, I'm serious.

Nick_oliveri

hullaballoo wrote: »

1920s America? Not a huge problem for those concerned with the law in Ireland today.

I assume you see my point though, the mafia killings probably had lower points than your example and i could claim that they were connected to alcohol. Excuse me if that comes across as me being uncaring/unsympathetic to what happened there.

I could turn this into a Alcohol vs dope debate but you have obviously seen that before and I dont wanna get banned by anyone for going off topic. I realize that is the road I am taking with that argument!

Anyway, it's not a huge leap to say that the drugs trade is responsible for shootings and gun-related murders in Ireland. So yeah, I'm serious.

No, scummy idiots are responsible. To connect drugs with what happened there as a main catalyst is clutching at straws, those people don't care about laws full stop, and any income by any means is OK for them. FFS we may stop the dole and other legal means of income too, because as scummy as they are I'm sure some of them collect or have some sort of job/income on the side.

hullaballoo

Ok, I accept your points as they are; however, that's a moot debate.

The fact is, like it or not, drugs are a major income source for those scummy idiots and those scummy idiots are the people who supply drugs. While the set 'scummy idiots' isn't confined to importers of drugs, I'd argue that importers of drugs are scummy idiots. That's because they're the ones who don't care enough about/aren't afraid of the law.

You're right though, this isn't a dope vs. alcohol debate and that's because I'm not talking about drugs - but drug importers. Sure, there are strong arguments that smoking is far less harmful than drinking and there are arguments that people don't get into the same trouble when high as against being drunk, but those arguments aren't relevant here. What's relevant is the (unfortunate) reality that the drugs trade (not the drugs themselves, necessarily) is responsible for a huge amount of ancillary crime.

Maximilian

I have to say, whatever about the rights or wrongs of drugs, I don't agree with the whole "if you do drugs you have blood on your hands" thing.

If that's the case then a lot of people who buy stuff from diamonds to coffee or running shoes have blood on their hands too.

The simple fact is that there is, has and always will be a very strong demand for drugs that legislation the world over has utterly failed to quell. You could equally argue that these laws themselves, by keeping drugs an illegal trade, are responsible for such deaths.

Nick_oliveri

Maximilian wrote: »

If that's the case then a lot of people who buy stuff from diamonds to coffee or running shoes have blood on their hands too.

Such is capitalism and consumerism. In this context, where are the lesser of the evils (there probably aren't any!)?

You could equally argue that these laws themselves, by keeping drugs an illegal trade, are responsible for such deaths.

As liberal as I am , I cannot see myself considering legalising or tolerating the majority of addictive or recreational substances. Hell, I like the drink, but I'd like to see less of the drinking, and what it leads to.

Authority - "Drink Responsibly!"
Lager lout - "No"
!

Maximilian

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

As liberal as I am , I cannot see myself considering legalising or tolerating the majority of addictive or recreational substances. Hell, I like the drink, but I'd like to see less of the drinking, and what it leads to.

Authority - "Drink Responsibly!"
Lager lout - "No"
!

Me neither. I was just making a point. I do think though that cannabis should be looked at with a view to decriminalising it. Sure it's not good for you but it's no worse than alcohol. Politicians are kind of spineless when it comes to this topic.

hullaballoo

Hmm, I'm not really sure that you're entirely disagreeing with me there, Maximilian.

In fact, I agree completely that looking at the legalisation of cannabis is something that could benefit society on the whole. I can't say the same for heroin, though.

Politicians are wary of it because the voting population in Ireland are still very conservative and unfortunately, there is a belief that all recreational drug users will turn into junkies who rob old people.

Maximilian

hullaballoo wrote: »

Hmm, I'm not really sure that you're entirely disagreeing with me there, Maximilian.

In fact, I agree completely that looking at the legalisation of cannabis is something that could benefit society on the whole. I can't say the same for heroin, though.

Politicians are wary of it because the voting population in Ireland are still very conservative and unfortunately, there is a belief that all recreational drug users will turn into junkies who rob old people.

Well I can see both sides of that particular argument. I think its one for the philosophers and not the lawyers. If there were easy answers to the issue...