UN Declares Castro a Hero

DoireNod

UN Declares Dictator Fidel Castro a "World Hero"

The UN has declared Fidel Castro, the longtime Communist dictator of Cuba, the “World Hero of Solidarity.” Castro killed thousands and thousands of people during his rule, torturing some to death (including a few American citizens), and Cuba remains an oppressive dictatorship even today.
The award was presented to Castro by the President of the UN General Assembly, Miguel D’Escoto Brockmann. D'Escoto Brockmann also successfully lobbied the Obama Administration to demand that Honduras allow the return to power of its ex-president and would-be dictator, Manuel Zelaya. (Two months ago, soldiers acting on orders of Honduras’s Supreme Court arrested Zelaya after he systematically abused his powers. After the Court quite legally declared that Zelaya was no longer president, he was duly replaced by Honduras’s Congress with a civilian, the Congressional Speaker). The Obama Administration recently decided to impose sanctions on Honduras, and indicated it will not recognize future democratic elections in Honduras unless Honduras first lets ex-president Zelaya return to power.
Marxism seems to be back in fashion in Washington these days. Obama’s green jobs czar is the race-baiter Van Jones, a “a self-avowed communist” and "Truther" who believed that George Bush was behind the 9/11 attacks. Jones, who is busy orchestrating advertiser boycotts of Obama’s media critics, was until recently a “member of a radical communist group that was dedicated to ‘organizing a revolutionary movement in America.’”

It must be the beard!

(Not the greatest link)

Bob Z

'bout time too

prinz

What next Kim Jong Il declared World Hero of Living it up at the expense of your country?

FlutterinBantam

No! Bob Mugabe is up before him.

edanto

Eh it looks like a BS story.

The links in the story lead to one or two blogs, and then all lead to a story in the Latin American Herald Tribune referring to an award given to Morales as defender/hero of Pachamama.

:D

This has got to be a piss take.

DoireNod

I have my suspicions.

If it's true, do you support it? If not, would you support such a title being bestowed upon Castro?

EDIT:
'Morales named World Hero of Mother Earth by UN General Assembly'
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=342574&CategoryId=14919

Should the title of the thread be changed, or should it be moved to somewhere like AH?

Nodin

I can't find it on the UN site, nor does it appear on any mainstream source....

The medals in question don't seem to be voted upon either, so the "UN declares" is rather misleading.

DoireNod

DoireNod wrote: »

If not, would you support such a title being bestowed upon Castro?

If one can look over the accusations of human rights abuse, executions, allegations of torture, labour camps, censorship, turning the island into a prison and treatment of groups such as homosexuals, why I'd say he's a delightful man!

mike65

Here is a profile of the man who made the declaration, it tells you everything you need to know, its fair to say.

http://www.un.org/ga/president/63/presskit/president.shtml

From From Radio Guantanamo in Cuba

Guantanamo, Sept 1, (CMKS) .- His Excellency Father Miguel D'Escoto Brockmann, President of the 63rd session of the United Nations General Assembly, started today a working visit to our country.

During his stay in Cuba, the Nicaraguan revolutionary priest will carry out an extensive program of activities including meetings with leaders of state and government of Cuba and the presentation of his book “Antiimperialismo y no violencia".

Buffy the bitch

Deleted User wrote: »

If one can look over the accusations of human rights abuse, executions, allegations of torture, labour camps, censorship, turning the island into a prison and treatment of groups such as homosexuals, why I'd say he's a delightful man!

That's Guantanamo bay you're thinking about, nothing to do with Castro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6XwEiy60P0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmichellemalkin.com%2F2009%2F08%2F28%2Frace-baiter-democrat-rep-diane-watson-praises-cuban-health-system-castro-guevara-who-kicked&feature=player_embedded#t=163

Nodin

Deleted User wrote: »

If one can look over the accusations of human rights abuse, executions, allegations of torture, labour camps, censorship, turning the island into a prison and treatment of groups such as homosexuals, why I'd say he's a delightful man!

Yes, he's an advert for the Island, really.

Nodin

Buffy the bitch wrote: »

That's Guantanamo bay you're thinking about, nothing to do with Castro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6XwEiy60P0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmichellemalkin.com%2F2009%2F08%2F28%2Frace-baiter-democrat-rep-diane-watson-praises-cuban-health-system-castro-guevara-who-kicked&feature=player_embedded#t=163

The fact that x is bad does not mean that y is therefore good. Fidel is not a nice man.

DoireNod

Nodin wrote: »

The fact that x is bad does not mean that y is therefore good. Fidel is not a nice man.

Yeah, but Fidel has a cool beard and smokes cigars. Adorable.

mike65

Buffy the bitch wrote: »

That's Guantanamo bay you're thinking about, nothing to do with Castro.

You are not familiar with the various Castro crackdowns on troublesome minorites then?

http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/country,,USCIS,,CUB,4562d94e2,3ae6a6a40,0.html

http://articles.latimes.com/1995-02-07/news/wr-28985_1_fidel-castro

Buffy the bitch

Buffy the bitch wrote: »

That's Guantanamo bay you're thinking about, nothing to do with Castro.

Presume this is irony, can't open link here.

My post contains allegations about Castro's Cuba by groups such as Amnesty, nothing to do with Guananamo.

Salvelinus

Buffy the bitch wrote: »

That's Guantanamo bay you're thinking about, nothing to do with Castro.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6XwEiy60P0&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmichellemalkin.com%2F2009%2F08%2F28%2Frace-baiter-democrat-rep-diane-watson-praises-cuban-health-system-castro-guevara-who-kicked&feature=player_embedded#t=163

About time someone stands up to the capitalist pigs, well done. More people form the US tried to get into Cuba than the other way around.

Salvelinus

Salvelinus wrote: »

More people form the US tried to get into Cuba than the other way around.

Refugees or holiday makers?

I have never heard of Americans putting banana boats together and trying to sneak past the coastguard to flee to Havana. On the other hand, so many say places like Miami are full of Cubans.

Either which way, whether they go one way or the other, not sure Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch are full of 'capitalist pigs'...in fact I didn't know that phrase existed outside fading comic books and cheesy films!

Salvelinus

Deleted User wrote: »

Refugees or holiday makers?

I have never heard of Americans putting banana boats together and trying to sneak past the coastguard to flee to Havana. On the other hand, so many say places like Miami are full of Cubans.

Either which way, whether they go one way or the other, not sure Amnesty International or Human Rights Watch are full of 'capitalist pigs'...in fact I didn't know that phrase existed outside fading comic books and cheesy films!

Buffy BItch, you really aren't helping cubans by romanticising a cultist regime.

Ah.

Too subtle!

ChocolateSauce

Has anyone else noticed that that website is extreme right-wing?

Nodin

ChocolateSauce wrote: »

Has anyone else noticed that that website is extreme right-wing?

O yeah. And the story seems confined to its ilk.

28064212

Nodin wrote: »

O yeah. And the story seems confined to its ilk.

Apart from the article in the Latin Herald Tribune, which is a fairly reputable source, but I can't believe that there wouldn't be a bigger stir about it in the upper level media. I'm fairly sure Fox would have ran with it if there was any merit to it at all

FlutterinBantam

DoireNod wrote: »

I have my suspicions.

If it's true, do you support it? If not, would you support such a title being bestowed upon Castro?

EDIT:
'Morales named World Hero of Mother Earth by UN General Assembly'
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=342574&CategoryId=14919

Should the title of the thread be changed, or should it be moved to somewhere like AH?

No ,no,no and ah.. no.

DoireNod

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

No ,no,no and ah.. no.

Is this you? :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IXCK1EyP4s

Seriously though. I was asking mods - the title of the thread is false I believe. The link that I posted was from a very disputable source. I suppose discussion of the merits of Castro and Morales is encouraged, as to whether or not they are deserving of their 'new titles'.

Salvelinus

DoireNod wrote: »

Is this you? :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IXCK1EyP4s

Seriously though. I was asking mods - the title of the thread is false I believe. The link that I posted was from a very disputable source. I suppose discussion of the merits of Castro and Morales is encouraged, as to whether or not they are deserving of their 'new titles'.

Pinochet had merits too I assume. But let's not be consistent with criticism.

Joey the lips

Ha ha have been saying this for ages. This is an up yours to the americans and indeed the world. Have always been a fan of the cubans. Love there health system. We could learn a lot from them

Salvelinus

Joey the lips wrote: »

Ha ha have been saying this for ages. This is an up yours to the americans and indeed the world. Have always been a fan of the cubans. Love there health system. We could learn a lot from them

Sure could, the hard line catlicks would like to imprison people with teh gay and maybe they can accept loads of immigrants who will bask in the paradise.

DoireNod

Salvelinus wrote: »

Pinochet had merits too I assume. But let's not be consistent with criticism.

Merits and vices then. Jaysus.

IronMan

Joey the lips wrote: »

Ha ha have been saying this for ages. This is an up yours to the americans and indeed the world. Have always been a fan of the cubans. Love there health system. We could learn a lot from them

The ironic thing being, that if you were in Cuba, you wouldn't be able to connect to the Internet to post your views on the socialist paradise, sticking it to the capitalist filthdogs.

It would be impossible to read a newspaper voicing criticism of the government. Or watch TV that depicts the outside world. In fact, for your insolence they might send you to a hard labour prison camp.

You might try and join the approximately 1.1 million Cubans who have deserted the island since the socialist paradise came into being. But you couldn't do it through official channels. You might just have to craft together a boat, and take your chances crossing a dangerous stretch of water to land in the oppressive USA.

Joey the lips

Joey the lips wrote: »

Love there health system. We could learn a lot from them

Yes.

I'd say if we slash living standards and lived like Cubans on what they get paid, the Government would be able to afford a private hospital for every single person on this island (even allowing for the 90% waste on administration) and throw in a free hoverboard too.

Joey the lips

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes.

I'd say if we slash living standards and lived like Cubans on what they get paid, the Government would be able to afford a private hospital for every single person on this island (even allowing for the 90% waste on administration) and throw in a free hoverboard too.

Another one with a poor knowledge of the cuban health system i see. Have you any proof to back this up or is it based on CNN?

Salvelinus

Joey the lips wrote: »

Another one with a poor knowledge of the cuban health system i see. Have you any proof to back this up or is it based on CNN?

Their number 1, their number 1 *
http://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf


*Actually 39

Dr Galen

without wanting to turn this into a debate on the merits or otherwise of the Cuban health system, I don't think you can turn a blind eye to what has gone on in Cuba outside of this one area.

Sure they've got a good healthcare system in place, but, even that has come at some cost to the population at large. I'd wonder if the general populus would accept a less good health system as a trade off for maybe a bit of freedom of speech, less government interference in everyday life, no routine punishment for homosexuals etc.

Salvelinus

Mystik Monkey wrote: »

without wanting to turn this into a debate on the merits or otherwise of the Cuban health system, I don't think you can turn a blind eye to what has gone on in Cuba outside of this one area.

Sure they've got a good healthcare system in place, but, even that has come at some cost to the population at large. I'd wonder if the general populus would accept a less good health system as a trade off for maybe a bit of freedom of speech, less government interference in everyday life, no routine punishment for homosexuals etc.

Exactly, I'm no fan of the regime that was there before Castro and the attitude of the US towards Cuba especially when they brown nose Saudi Arabia is ridiculous but romanticising the Castro regime is bonkers.

Joey the lips

Mystik Monkey wrote: »

without wanting to turn this into a debate on the merits or otherwise of the Cuban health system, I don't think you can turn a blind eye to what has gone on in Cuba outside of this one area.

Sure they've got a good healthcare system in place, but, even that has come at some cost to the population at large. I'd wonder if the general populus would accept a less good health system as a trade off for maybe a bit of freedom of speech, less government interference in everyday life, no routine punishment for homosexuals etc.

True enough. It does have its problems. What interests me though is According to the World Health Organization, Cuba provides a doctor for every 170 residents and has the second highest doctor to patient ratio in the world after Italy.Cuba attracts about 20000 paying tourists , generating revenues of around $40m a year for the Cuban economy. Cuba has been serving health tourists from around the world for more than 20 years. The country operates a special division of hospitals specifically for the treatment of foreigners and diplomats. Foreign patients travel to Cuba for a wide range of treatments including eye surgery neurological disorders such as M.S and Parkinsons disese, massive amounts of cosmetic surgery, addictions treatment, and orthopaedics. Most patients are from Latin America, Europe and Canada, and a growing number of Americans also are coming.

This is all quoted on the WHO site above. I have no doubt that there are wrongs in cuba but i faimly believe alot of these wrongs would be gone if american sanctions were. What have the americans to fear of castro! Oh i forgot the americans dont like socialism! Its funny how this is actually delth with in the charter of rights america is signed up to!

Dr Galen

I'll agree that from the outside looking in, the US sanctions against Cuba do seem a bit old school. Considering a lot of the events that led to them in the first place was off the back of the Cold War, in todays political landscape, they seem to serve less and less purpose.

Unfortunately, if a US President stated that they wanted to repeal said sanctions, it would be political suicide. There are still many many people in the states who lived through and grew up during the Cold War, and were fed huge amounts of anti Soviet propaganda. Some justified, some not, but thats what they have ingrained within their political psyche, and IMHO this will take a long time to overcome. If I'm not mistaken though hasn't Obama made some efforts to bridge the gap?

I don't see though how the US sanctions could have an effect on press control, or the silencing of the dissenters within Cuban society?

From an economic point of view, sure, the sanctions would allow for trade between the nations, but considering Cuba has very strict controls on private enterprise, I don't see how this would help the average Pablo in the street.

Salvelinus

Joey the lips wrote: »

True enough. It does have its problems. What interests me though is According to the World Health Organization, Cuba provides a doctor for every 170 residents and has the second highest doctor to patient ratio in the world after Italy.Cuba attracts about 20000 paying tourists , generating revenues of around $40m a year for the Cuban economy. Cuba has been serving health tourists from around the world for more than 20 years. The country operates a special division of hospitals specifically for the treatment of foreigners and diplomats. Foreign patients travel to Cuba for a wide range of treatments including eye surgery neurological disorders such as M.S and Parkinsons disese, massive amounts of cosmetic surgery, addictions treatment, and orthopaedics. Most patients are from Latin America, Europe and Canada, and a growing number of Americans also are coming.

This is all quoted on the WHO site above. I have no doubt that there are wrongs in cuba but i faimly believe alot of these wrongs would be gone if american sanctions were. What have the americans to fear of castro! Oh i forgot the americans dont like socialism! Its funny how this is actually delth with in the charter of rights america is signed up to!

But why would a socialist paradise need help from capitalism? I agree the US stance towards Cuba is hypocritical but having a good health care system doesn't make it a great country. My wife worled in a hospital with someone who worked in a Miami hospital and he claimed alot of people from Cuba would frauduently come into Miami hospitals for certain procedures so the travelling thing is a two way street.

Dr Galen

in fairness I think at this stage half of Miami is Cuban, so finding a Cuban in a hospital in Miami isn't that much of a surprise.

Salvelinus

Mystik Monkey wrote: »

in fairness I think at this stage half of Miami is Cuban, so finding a Cuban in a hospital in Miami isn't that much of a surprise.

Doesn't that statistic say something about the island in itself?

Dr Galen

oh I'd totally agree Salv. The fact that so many people try their damnest to get off the island says a lot, not necessarily anything to do with healthcare tourism though