Limerick school to fingerprint pupils to monitor absenteeism

Run_to_da_hills

Students were fingerprinted yesterday as a Limerick secondary school introduced its own database in a hi-tech bid to retain information to be used by authorities monitor absenteeism

FFS can they leave the kids alone. I would certainly hope that parents are informed before their kids are swabbed.

"The Data Protection Commission is already investigating the school’s new security scanning system, styled on the popular TV crime series CSI".

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfauaucwqlql/rss2/

mehfesto2

How do you get the fingerprints if the kids are absent that day?

MagicMarker

No big deal.

Run_to_da_hills

mehfesto2 wrote: »

How do you get the fingerprints if the kids are absent that day?

Easily, the authorities will go down to the nearest amusement arcade and start taking swabs from all the machines.

tribulus

My old school brought a swipe card system in just after my year left. It seems to work.

I'm guessing your issue is with the fingerprinting though.

Biggins

Not the first case I've heard of this.
A number of American schools adopted this. Also their libaries too.

Mrmoe

A better system would be a retinal scanner of some sort.

Biggins

Mrmoe wrote: »

A better system would be a retinal scanner of some sort.

I thought that said rectal scanner the first time I read it. I had to look again!

galwayrush

If ya got nothing to hide, there's nothing to worry about.:rolleyes:

Ross_Mahon

Implant electronic tags on the little devils

BaconZombie

I think you need to read this.....

galwayrush wrote: »

If ya got nothing to hide, there's nothing to worry about.:rolleyes:

uriah

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Students were fingerprinted yesterday as a Limerick secondary school introduced its own database in a hi-tech bid to retain information to be used by authorities monitor absenteeism

FFS can they leave the kids alone. I would certainly hope that parents are informed before their kids are swabbed.

"The Data Protection Commission is already investigating the school’s new security scanning system, styled on the popular TV crime series CSI".

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/kfauaucwqlql/rss2/

Parents send children to school, think they are in safe place. In a large school with pupils moving from to room and from class to class, it is for school authorities to ensure that pupils stay on the premises.

Why not use modern technology to make sure that pupils are where they are supposed to be?

All laws relating to privacy and data protection must be respected, of course, and parents must be fully informed and consulted before any action is taken. I expect that most parents of under-age students would have no objection.

Rhyme

I'm waiting for the headline; "Students sacrifice thumbs to avoid absenteeism."

Diabhal Beag

mehfesto2 wrote: »

How do you get the fingerprints if the kids are absent that day?

This is a great post

Busi_Girl08

They tried something like that in Castletroy C, for the library which no-one had ever used, and the print scanner couldn't detect my finger print!!


I'm off to rob a bank, toodles!

Run_to_da_hills

uriah wrote: »

Parents send children to school, think they are in safe place. In a large school with pupils moving from to room and from class to class, it is for school authorities to ensure that pupils stay on the premises.

Why not use modern technology to make sure that pupils are where they are supposed to be?

All laws relating to privacy and data protection must be respected, of course, and parents must be fully informed and consulted before any action is taken. I expect that most parents of under-age students would have no objection.

Its indocterating kids into thinking that this technology is a good thing. So they won't think too much of it whenif it is applied by the state authorities.

galwayrush

BOFH_139 wrote: »

I think you need to read this.....

Read it, it'll never happen;) I have no problem with databases if they help put scumbags away, **** their civil liberties.

Overheal

Reminds me of a guy who went to bank of america to cash a check and they refused him because he couldnt provide a fingerprint: he was an amputee.

MagicMarker

Overheal wrote: »

Reminds me of a guy who went to bank of america to cash a check and they refused him because he couldnt provide a fingerprint: he was an amputee.

Where was the cheque?

Saibh

Overheal wrote: »

Reminds me of a guy who went to bank of america to cash a check and they refused him because he couldnt provide a fingerprint: he was an amputee.

Read that story the other day (link)

I see in the news article that a similar system was withdrawn from another school after they were contacted by the commission.

Kold

It's invasive enough getting into that sh*thole America, bringing this into schools is b*llocks.

Futurism

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its indocterating kids into thinking that this technology is a good thing. So they won't think too much of it whenif it is applied by the state authorities.

Oh right. Is that what it's doing?

MagicMarker

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its indocterating kids into thinking that this technology is a good thing. So they won't think too much of it whenif it is applied by the state authorities.

You give this government too much credit.

rainbowtrout

It's already in use in Youthreach in Ballaghaderreen, it's no big deal

biko

If the print records are retained by the school and not shared with any authorities I don't see an issue with it. The should also be permanently deleted when the pupil leaves the school.

Dr Kamikazi

Well, maybe one day a thumb print or retina scan will replace your keys, credit card, cash, passport, driving license, account number, etc...
I'd do it, simply to reduce the amount of crap I have to drag around with me.
Plus, it's far harder to lose a thumb or retina than a wallet, but also harder to replace!;)
Don't worry about the data collection implications, it's no different than a swipe card system, also you're implying that there is some kind of government intelligence (an oxymoron if ever I heard one) at work.
And if "they" want to keep an eye on you, "they" don't need your fingerprints, even though "they":D already have them I'm sure!
Don't forget, just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you!

What I don't tell you, they can't torture out of you,

galwayrush

So, it's only to moniter school attendance, why not just do a roll call.:rolleyes:

Jumpy

Biggins wrote: »

I thought that said rectal scanner the first time I read it. I had to look again!

Thats only for the Catholic schools.

Jumpy

rainbowtrout wrote: »

It's already in use in Youthreach in Ballaghaderreen, it's no big deal

I refuse to believe Ballaghaderreen has any technology.

galwayrush

Jumpy wrote: »

I refuse to believe Ballaghaderreen has any technology.

I think you may be wrong, i'm almost certain i saw a phone kiosk there when i passed through once.

Dankoozy

Dr Kamikazi wrote: »

Well, maybe one day a thumb print or retina scan will replace your keys, credit card, cash, passport, driving license, account number, etc...
I'd do it, simply to reduce the amount of crap I have to drag around with me.
Plus, it's far harder to lose a thumb or retina than a wallet, but also harder to replace!;)
Don't worry about the data collection implications, it's no different than a swipe card system, also you're implying that there is some kind of government intelligence (an oxymoron if ever I heard one) at work.
And if "they" want to keep an eye on you, "they" don't need your fingerprints, even though "they":D already have them I'm sure!
Don't forget, just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you!

What I don't tell you, they can't torture out of you,

then I look forward to emptying your bank account with my printed contact lenses and robbing your car with some lifted fingerprints.

the problem is biometric stuff sucks, once a picture of your retina goes into the public domain or someone manages to lift prints of something you touched biometrics is basically worthless to you and you can't change it. in most cases worse than a smart card + pin code (and a few dummy codes to let people know something is up).

Dr Kamikazi

There was actually a piece on Mythbusters where they were able to fool a fingerprint scanner by using a simple photocopy of the thumb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA4Xx5Noxyo

No sweat, the system is already beat!

Dankoozy

Dr Kamikazi wrote: »

There was actually a piece on Mythbusters where they were able to fool a fingerprint scanner by using a simple photocopy of the thumb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA4Xx5Noxyo

No sweat, the system is already beat!

who ever comes into that school with a page of photocopied thumbs will get to extort a lot of lunch money...

Dr Kamikazi

Dankoozy wrote: »

then I look forward to emptying your bank account with my printed contact lenses and robbing your car with some lifted fingerprints.

the problem is biometric stuff sucks, once a picture of your retina goes into the public domain or someone manages to lift prints of something you touched biometrics is basically worthless to you and you can't change it. in most cases worse than a smart card + pin code (and a few dummy codes to let people know something is up).

You'll never break into my underground volcanic lair!
But I think a simple printed contact lens will not beat the retina scanner, that might be a tad harder.
You might need the actual eyeball of the person, if not the person themselves.
Maybe down the line someone will be able to build fake eyeballs that will allow you to insert a fake retina print. Whoever comes up with that first, has got it made!
And whoever fails me, goes into the shark tank!

Jumpy

Dr Kamikazi wrote: »

You'll never break into my underground volcanic lair!

Where do you think I am posting from?

Nice laser by the way.

blubloblu

They were going to bring this in our school. Lined us all up one day, took our prints, no explanation given. . I don't remember parental consent being given. They're not using the system, so I can only assume our prints are on some laptop in this company I've never heard of's office.

RHunce

haha yeah its happening

i go to the school in question

Colaiste Chiarain in Croom

they are taking our finger prints and we have to touch this key pad every morning before we go in, this is an alternative registration, its crazy

i for one refuse to do it, no way is that principal getting my finger print

EDIT: my mistake didnt read the link til now, but they are bringing it into my school too

cul-2008

haha thats my old secondary school - classic!

MadCat

this is a disgraceful invasion of privacy.

Time for the people to make a stand.

Overheal

blubloblu wrote: »

They were going to bring this in our school. Lined us all up one day, took our prints, no explanation given. . I don't remember parental consent being given. They're not using the system, so I can only assume our prints are on some laptop in this company I've never heard of's office.

you should have told them No. I dont see any way they could have forced you to submit a fingerprint.

MadCat

galwayrush wrote: »

So, it's only to moniter school attendance, why not just do a roll call.:rolleyes:

God forbid, it only worked for the last 60 years. These techies are a load of freaks, they support every development regardless of its implications.

Time to wake up people.

MmmmmCheese

*sigh*

Nanny state gone mad.

galwayrush

MadCat wrote: »

God forbid, it only worked for the last 60 years. These techies are a load of freaks, they support every development regardless of its implications.

Time to wake up people.

Memories of e voting machines:D

Outkast_IRE

If i was in that school i would get the latex and mould me some others fingerprints and just find a few others and just **** that system up.

Boston

This was actually trialled in a school on Dublin's north side approximately 4 years ago. Same idea, fingerprint scanner in class.

It was found that the technology was useless. The fingerprint as a form of identification is terrible.

lostexpectation

it shouldn't be allowed but wasn't it tried already, this is private fee school ain't it

15Pete

Boston wrote: »

This was actually trialled in a school on Dublin's north side approximately 4 years ago. Same idea, fingerprint scanner in class.

It was found that the technology was useless. The fingerprint as a form of identification is terrible.

S0crates thinks you may have confused a Northside school with a private, mixed school beside Blackrock College. This school in question spent a lot of money three years ago bringing in this exact same technology. Naturally it didn't work and the machines are only there as ornaments now.

Boston

S0crates is wrong. I know nothing of the school you speak of. The one I'm talking about was given the equipment as part of a trial. They never paid for it. It's a public secondary school.

Dr Kamikazi

Another brilliant use of taxpayers money.
Wooooo, No Recession Round Here!

blubloblu

S0crates wrote: »

S0crates thinks you may have confused a Northside school with a private, mixed school beside Blackrock College where S0crates attended last year. This school in question spent a lot of money three years ago bringing in this exact same technology. Naturally it didn't work and the machines are only there as ornaments now.

Yes, I wonder where the prints are on file now?

Kradock

Once they start matching the fingerprints against the open crime database Limerick will become a ghost town .