The Federal Reserve "Conspiracy"

Strange_Fruit

it does affect all of us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-54Y-A9iBo

Torakx

nice post.
interesting its in conspiracy theory forums though.
shouldnt it be moved to financial or politics?
i dont see anything here that isnt fact already.
that is how the monetary system actual is and has been for a very long time.

Strange_Fruit

I guess i put it under conspiracies because anyone that takes and interest in this kind of thing is usually called a quak.

Torakx

this also lead me to check out the trailer for alex jones new documentary on obama and the fed etc.
its going to be a good one i think

constance tench

[ever notice how you can do nothing but 'deposit' money with them?]

[what's a deposit?..that's right:eek:..something you don't have to get back!]

[even when you take it out of their system (with gold) you still have to depose]

Shepherd3

Torakx wrote: »

this also lead me to check out the trailer for alex jones new documentary on obama and the fed etc.
its going to be a good one i think

Great, Jones can do no wrong, him an youtube win win.

Torakx

haha i dont actually know if that was sarcasm!
alex jones is fanatical and i think maybe he has been gotten to by the someone in power.but i loved the obama deception it opened peoples eyes despite being a little biased and sidetracted.

robtri

interesting video...

i am confused... the banking cartel can create money out of nothng.... but yet they need to ask for bail out?????
surely if they can create money out of nothing... there would be no need for a bailout...

Captain Furball

robtri wrote: »

interesting video...

i am confused... the banking cartel can create money out of nothng.... but yet they need to ask for bail out?????
surely if they can create money out of nothing... there would be no need for a bailout...

The money out of nothing is just digits entered into a computer as far as i'm aware.Actual cash from people making deposits is totally different.
But I agree they should be left go bust but then again some are to big to go bust....

constance tench

cons-piracy ..



declared as private

In fact, I do not recall my Haughey discussion with Brady, but it might have occurred in the context of an editorial planning discussion about the Knights of Columbanus, Opus Dei, the Freemasons and other organisations.

I distinctly remember saying that all an organisation in Ireland had to do to avoid being investigated was to declare itself ‘‘private’’. House-trained journalists then kept away. I also suggested, I think, that Ireland had a raft of relatively easy stories going unwritten, and that the Sunday Tribune could boost its circulation by breaking a few taboos.

http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2006/12/24/story19800.asp

MeatProduct

I have a bunch of questions about this and the first is similar to the above.

1: Please explain how the banks need a bailout if they can make money out of thin air given that the money of their depositors is also worth nothing unless it is a despoit of substance (gold, silver, etc.)? A simple explanation would be great as I tend to get confused with financial stuff.

2: Is the situation the same in Ireland? Do we have a similar "coloured" currency, paper that has no contractual value, as in it can't be traded in for a commodity of substance (gold, silver, etc.)?

3: Who prints our money? Is it a private company like the Fed?

4: Do we have a similar law like that of the UCC law in force in the US that deals with matters related coloured currency?

5: If a bank creates money "out of thin air" is that not something that should be mentioned in their full disclosure for any contract related to a loan to a customer?

6: Why is it that every econmist doesn't know about this?

There are plenty more questions but this would be a great start if anyone feels like answering them.

Thanks,

Nick

robtri

let me just add one thing further here that shots this all in the foot...

the FED is not, yes NOT privately owned.... so your rockerfellas and all other people are not making money..

The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.

constance tench

robtri wrote: »

let me just add one thing further here that shots this all in the foot...

the FED is not, yes NOT privately owned.... so your rockerfellas and all other people are not making money..

The Federal Reserve System is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. Instead, it is an independent entity within the government, having both public purposes and private aspects.

an independent entity, is private...which is not the same as privately owned in the public..

[ed].. bankers also have a licence to 'convert'..
[between public and private accounting/law]

bonkey

robtri wrote: »

i am confused... the banking cartel can create money out of nothng.... but yet they need to ask for bail out?????
surely if they can create money out of nothing... there would be no need for a bailout...

This would suggest, then, that the notion that banks can "create money out of nothing" is somehow flawed or over-simplified.

Stainless_Steel

bonkey wrote: »

This would suggest, then, that the notion that banks can "create money out of nothing" is somehow flawed or over-simplified.

My 2c:

The banks 'created' the money and lent it out, thereby devaluing every euro you have (50 euro wont get you as much in 5 years as it does today). If they were to 'create' the same amount to bail themselves out they would be 'doubling' up on the creation, thereby devaluing money even further, creating instable inflation rates.

Think of it like this - your children will no doubt earn more money than you when you look at absolute figures and not value. If the average wage was (guess) 10 pounds per week in 1960 but is now (guess) 400 euro per week - how did this happen?!....money was 'created'....

I'm aware the above wages are pulled from nowhere but just to illustrate the point.

Torakx

dont remember if this info was posted.
how it works afaik is..

the governemnts and peoples of the world needed a currency so they didnt have to trade gold for example.
so they took the gold and put it in banks and printed money to represent that gold.

but then someone came up with a system where they create printed money for a price without the need for the gold to back it up.
i think this was when the federal reserve was created just as america changed from gold backed dollars to non backed dollars on march 9th 1933.
basically america was bankrupt they couldnt pay back the tax on the borrowed money(which is impossible anyway because of the tax to create money!)since they were bankrupt they had no money to pay this federal reserve so the bonds of the people were used as colateral
so after that the federal reserve in america for example privately bought the rights to sell the government bonds and printed money.for without moeny the game of monopoly will stop for them.
so now when ever money is "printed" or comes into existence through them.it is taxed.from the very first note ever printed.
so that means when the first monetary note was created and handed over the tax applied to it means you cant ever pay it back.
because there isnt enough money out there to ever cover the tax and the money you borrowed.
the more you create money(bailout) the more the tax the people owe back to the feds and central banks whoever happens to be in charge.

so when your parents sign your birth certificate you become a part of the government which is a company for trade and profit.the government uses your bond(birth cert) to trade and give value to its currency.each person creating revenue.

so the government are in a pickle now.they owe all the tax on the money the central bank(or whoever does it for europe) created.and they cant pay it back with money because its impossible. they agreed to inflate the economy before each recession.then when nobody has money to pay back the money plus tax what is left ?

Resources and land.
so people lose there mortgages and houses and businesses.these items of worth go to the banks that loaned the printed paper with no actual backing or value.infact it ussually isnt paper as we all know it is just an idea of worth. credit if you will.
then when they have enough land and resources and debted persons and have the right amount of political favours it is time to create an economic boom and flood money back into the system.people borrow even bigger amounts inflation goes up to keep up with peoples spending.
when it all crashes the debt is on the guy at the bottom of the ladder.and the money resources are sucked up by the guys at the top of the ladder.
the higher you are the better you do.

also because all governments(i think) now are bankrupt we all are used as colateral when it comes to business.
our birth certificates are a form of ownership of a legal entity.
which is why a legal entity has its name or personae spelled begining with capitals letters.that is maritime law.this is the law of commerce.
so the person on your passport, drivers licience,bank statement. they are all to show you are part of the legal society and you follow there rules.
if you arent part of the law society then there rules do not apply to you.


google john harris for a bit more info also j anderson tm zietgeist has a piece on the monetary system also i think.
this also has fgood info about 20 mins in about this stufff
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6736722752013377089#

samson09

robtri wrote: »

interesting video...

i am confused... the banking cartel can create money out of nothng.... but yet they need to ask for bail out?????
surely if they can create money out of nothing... there would be no need for a bailout...

They create money and lend it at interest, there is never enough money to pay off the debt, the system is designed to enslave people via debt. (Ireland's national debt at the moment is approx. 54 billion, with NAAAAMAAAAAA expect that to skyrocket, especially as the economy continues to deteriorate).

They ask for bailouts because this allows them to print more money, this inflates the currency supply and devalues the currency in the process, basically they are stealing from people by devaluing the purchasing power of their currency. They then use this money to do 2 things:

(1) Buy up stocks and and resources at low prices.
(2) Pump the money back into the stockmarket, encouraging others to do the same, then crashing the system to repeat step 1.

The bailout money also adds to the national debt which must be paid off by Johnny Average taxpayer, who is already struggling because the $10,000 he had in his account last year will only by XX% amount of goods due to the loss of purchasing power.

Thats the general gist of it anyway!

constance tench

bonkey wrote: »

This would suggest, then, that the notion that banks can "create money out of nothing" is somehow flawed or over-simplified.

maybe..

We reached that point of not being able to 'pay' long long ago, and that real substance has been held by a few, longer again, through the system of banking/intrest/tax.

Nothing is ever paid in reality, because nothing backs currency, and not much ever did.
Everything to be 'paid' goes into an 'iou pool', which is entered as book-keeping money...the reserve. (this is another side of 'money out of nothing')
Paper money is used as discharge/bail and actual 'payment' is not made.. so the books have to remain open!..and they do in the public.

(*the account is not closed/private*)

No matter about any religious belief, this is the belief/law.

in the old testament debt and sin are the same thing,
debt/sin punishable by ..death.
in those times sacrifice was used as 'discharge' (of putting off 'payment'> until a future event)..

this was the law...

'the law of the prophets was until john' (the baptist)...whos death was the future event, according to the prophets.so the old testament
was like a will, john was the testator.

then there was no law...

or at least a period of adjustment, word had been getting around that there was a greater prophet than john about... jesus was killed..resulting in a pre-payment of all debt(sin).. the new testamonial.

The NWO are described as anti-christian (the same could apply to the church it's self) because of it's 'commercial doctrine/law' spread through it's 'ministers' (knowingly or not)..
there are other legal remedies for debt, which are provided by the new testamonial,and
which are being used by 'societies/banks' but kept as 'secrets'..

while we are left discharging and creating more book money for them..

[ed]

MeatProduct wrote: »

I have a bunch of questions about this and the first is similar to the above.

1: Please explain how the banks need a bailout if they can make money out of thin air given that the money of their depositors is also worth nothing unless it is a despoit of substance (gold, silver, etc.)? A simple explanation would be great as I tend to get confused with financial stuff.

Because we're a better bet for discharge..

Ognir

The FED, privately owned Bank and the real owners

http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

uprising

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ

A movie about the federal reserve and it's workings, watch parts 2, 3, 4, and 5 also.

Black Uhlan

uprising wrote: »

A movie about the federal reserve and it's workings, watch parts 2, 3, 4, and 5 also.

Or you could watch The Da Vinci Code as view it as a documentary. No offence, but that movie has got to be disinfo. Its Lucius trust, syncretism, theosophy, new world order type propoganda.

Ognir wrote: »

The FED, privately owned Bank and the real owners

http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

Cheers for that, was interesting reading.

uprising

Black Uhlan wrote: »

Or you could watch The Da Vinci Code as view it as a documentary. No offence, but that movie has got to be disinfo. Its Lucius trust, syncretism, theosophy, new world order type propoganda.

I was talking about the federal reserve portion of the movie, which shows the movers and shakers, same people as the good read that followed, out of interest what part in particular do you consider disinformation in the portion I was speaking about concerning the federal reserve.

Kernel

robtri wrote: »

i am confused... the banking cartel can create money out of nothng.... but yet they need to ask for bail out?????
surely if they can create money out of nothing... there would be no need for a bailout...

That's the beauty of it, and how they create money. The money the governments give them is money borrowed from the banks themselves and given to the government at interest. The interest is the created wealth by the banks. Think of it like this, I borrow €1bn and have to pay back €2bn in x amount of years. I've just created €1bn (minus inflation) for the banks that didn't exist before I did the deal. All for digital numbers and promises of payment. Sweet scam.

Problems arise when people try to get their money, when the money doesn't really exist (barring on a computer screen), in which case I manufacture a recession to restabilise the system by wiping out money from pension funds etc...

Time Magazine

Kernel wrote: »

wiping out money from pension funds etc...

You mean wiping out capitalists who have invested in and become shareholders of banks, right?

Mahatma coat

but the money never really existed in the first place, its all 'wishy washy 'futures' and 'projected earning' its not real

Black Uhlan

uprising wrote: »

I was talking about the federal reserve portion of the movie, which shows the movers and shakers, same people as the good read that followed, out of interest what part in particular do you consider disinformation in the portion I was speaking about concerning the federal reserve.

fair enough, to be honest the economics goes over my head.

Time Magazine

Mahatma coat wrote: »

but the money never really existed in the first place, its all 'wishy washy 'futures' and 'projected earning' its not real

So the stock market collapse didn't affect people.

You heard it here first.

Mac daddy

Torakx wrote: »

so when your parents sign your birth certificate you become a part of the government which is a company for trade and profit.the government uses your bond(birth cert) to trade and give value to its currency.each person creating revenue.

I see you have been watching think it was called kiamera they go into all of this it's the corporate version of you.

MeatProduct

I think my first question has been dealt with but would like the rest looked at please. I think it's important to be Irish-specific here.

2: Is the situation the same in Ireland? Do we have a similar "coloured" currency, paper that has no contractual value, as in it can't be traded in for a commodity of substance (gold, silver, etc.)? Is the Euro 100 coloured?

3: Who prints our money? Is it a private company like the Fed?

4: Do we have a similar law like that of the UCC law in force in the US that deals with matters related coloured currency?

5: If a bank creates money "out of thin air" is that not something that should be mentioned in their full disclosure for any contract related to a loan to a customer?

6: Why is it that every econmist doesn't know about this?

The issue with the birth certificate biding you to the government is something I would like to know more about. Now I've got my full length birth cert here and I see no legal mention of the above however there is clear reference made to the Births and Deaths Registration Acts 1863 to 1972. So, presumably, my parents would have had the opportunity to read these acts before signing me away to the government.

I have no problem believing that all this is possible, I'm fully away of humanities cravings for power and what they'll do to keep it. What I would like to see more of is undeniable facts, especially in this forum I think it is more important.

Here's the link to the 1972 act which ammends the 1863 and subsequent acts. I've already run into difficulty trying to understand the legal language in these documents. If someone more capable could point out where it says we have some legal binding relationship with the government I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you,
Nick

MeatProduct

I cannot find the original 1863 act online. Why is it based on this old act when it was revamped in 1922, why still base it on the old one that was developed from the English system, just curious?

Anyone know where I would go to read the original?

Nick

Edit: "The personal public service number (PPSN) of child (this will be allocated at registration)." Taken from the General Registrar Office website. I expect there maybe something in this. Does the issuance of the PPSN have legal implication we are not fully aware of?

Time Magazine

MeatProduct wrote: »

2: Is the situation the same in Ireland? Do we have a similar "coloured" currency, paper that has no contractual value, as in it can't be traded in for a commodity of substance (gold, silver, etc.)? Is the Euro 100 coloured?

Ireland is in the European Monetary Union so our monetary policy is set in Frankfurt. You're far better off reading the Maastricht Treaty instead of Acts that were enacted by the Crown.

No, our money is not "backed" by gold or silver. Why not? Because that was tried before, failed, and would stupid still today. It's a strangle-hold.

You admit yourself that you don't know a whole lot about economics. That's fair enough. But maybe you should be reading economics books instead of conspiracy theory videos if you want to learn more?

You might want to start here and here.