Two feeds from one cable

Brewster

Hi folks, I only have one feed in my living room but would really love two feeds to use sky plus features.


Has anyone ever heard of this
http://www.satshop.co.uk/section103/product1047/Global-scr-mdu-kit.html

I had explored a staker de stacker unit but unfortunately I have a f screw join in my cable run from LNB to box and I was advised this type of unit wouldnt work.

Anyone know anything about device in link??

crosstownk

It might be more cost effective to run a second cable. Talk to Sky, see what they can offer.

Brewster

crosstownk wrote: »

It might be more cost effective to run a second cable. Talk to Sky, see what they can offer.

2nd feed not an option unfortunately...

crosstownk

Brewster wrote: »

2nd feed not an option unfortunately...

Why so? Can you explain the reasons why not? Someone may have a solution.......

Big Wex fan

UHF/VHF combiner unit.
Can get it at www.satellite .ie.
Not sure if it works for sky plus, worth asking them.

Brewster wrote: »

Hi folks, I only have one feed in my living room but would really love two feeds to use sky plus features.


Has anyone ever heard of this
http://www.satshop.co.uk/section103/product1047/Global-scr-mdu-kit.html

I had explored a staker de stacker unit but unfortunately I have a f screw join in my cable run from LNB to box and I was advised this type of unit wouldnt work.

Anyone know anything about device in link??

Apogee

Brewster wrote: »

Anyone know anything about device in link??

The device is based on Single Cable Router or Unicable technology. It's been around a while in other FTA receivers and allows up to 4 receivers to share the 1 cable. More background here.

Sky have been promising to roll out similar Entropic CSS tech for digiboxes for some time, but I hadn't seen any announcement that these systems were on actual sale until now - perhaps one of the installers who post here might have come across it?

It theory it should work for you. But firstly, you will need to check that you have suitable digibox and that it has the correct firmware. See page 2 of this PDF:
http://www.globalinvacom.com/products/pdfs/SCR%20iss4.pdf

You should also check if you can access the LNB settings in the installation menu to confirm.

The document shows the SCR adapter unit connecting to a cascading multiswitch. This is not going to be suitable for you - you will want to connect it directly to a 4 output LNB e.g. for Apt 1.



However, I'm not sure if you should get a Quad or Quattro LNB from that picture. To my understanding, the SCR adapter would require 4x fixed inputs to work, so you'd need a Quattro LNB (perhaps the adapter is sending the 4 signals (VL, HL, VH, HH) to the 4 outputs of the multiswitch so that in effect it's as if a Quattro was attached??). You should contact Global Invacom first to confirm.

Brewster

thanks for replies, I should note if I really wanted to I could run a 2nd cable but it would require drilling through outside wall of house to get it in. Can be done I know, but it looks unsightly having a cable coming down front of house and into living room. The house has a pre existing cable behind wall and this is the one I use for sky single feed.

Apogee

http://www.avforums.com/forums/sky-sky/859440-pace-pvr3-scr-band-option.html

Brewster

Apogee wrote: »

http://www.avforums.com/forums/sky-sky/859440-pace-pvr3-scr-band-option.html

Might work ok... Would prob need a new pace HD box? My box is the standard Thomson HD one

Tony

Thanks for the mention but this device is not for the purpose the Op needs it for.

Big Wex fan wrote: »

UHF/VHF combiner unit.
Can get it at www.satellite .ie.
Not sure if it works for sky plus, worth asking them.

Tony

I'm curious as to why you think a stacker/de stacker will not work?

Brewster wrote: »

thanks for replies, I should note if I really wanted to I could run a 2nd cable but it would require drilling through outside wall of house to get it in. Can be done I know, but it looks unsightly having a cable coming down front of house and into living room. The house has a pre existing cable behind wall and this is the one I use for sky single feed.

steveon

I have installed loads of Stacker Destacker units and find them brillant despite the cost if there is no other way then they are great.

I have used two that I can tell you about

1. johansson stacker destacker mixed results wouldnt recommend.

2. One for all Stacker Destacker

Excellent results comes in 2 varietes 30 or 50 metre runs..You simpy run two cable from quad via f connectors into unit and one cable down to room required...and then it reverses with a second box in the room below...takes seconds to setup and work perfect however you will need good quality cable such as ct100 or at a minimum rg6 cable....

Brewster

steveon wrote: »

I have installed loads of Stacker Destacker units and find them brillant despite the cost if there is no other way then they are great.

I have used two that I can tell you about

1. johansson stacker destacker mixed results wouldnt recommend.

2. One for all Stacker Destacker

Excellent results comes in 2 varietes 30 or 50 metre runs..You simpy run two cable from quad via f connectors into unit and one cable down to room required...and then it reverses with a second box in the room below...takes seconds to setup and work perfect however you will need good quality cable such as ct100 or at a minimum rg6 cable....

Im not sure of the cable quality I have... It was an existing cable installed behind walls of my house that was prewired for NTL. I managed to join this cable up with a cable from the LNB, however this joined cable has 3 f screw type joins in it before it reaches digibox. It works perfectly and I have 90% signal strength and 100% quality and have never had any issues with it despite sky installer at time saying it wouldnt work at installation time 5 years ago! I have read stacker destacker units wouldn't work if there were joins in cable, not sure whether this is true or not. Id love to try a stacker/destacker and see would it would out of curiosty, but its not worth money if it didnt work and id be left with it. Then I saw these Single cable routers and thought they might work, I would have to insist on a compatiable sky hd box when getting box such as a pace. With this method, im assuming my single feed would go into the unit and two feeds would come out and into HD box giving me SKY plus functionality. This would get over any problems that may incur with stacker/destacker unit due to cable joins. Any advice appreciated. I might give global a ring and ask their advice. Thanks lads. Exploring these options seem so much simpler to me than drilling through walls and having an unslightly cable down the front of my house, the Mrs says its not happening and I tend to agree with her!

Brewster

Tony wrote: »

I'm curious as to why you think a stacker/de stacker will not work?

3 f type screw joins in existing single cable?

steveon

Another option available to you although not favoured by many here would be to put your box in the attic and use a magic eye using the single cable to change the channels, this could also be added to a second or third ro0om using a digital amplifier and magic eyes added....or a terrestrial aerial could also be added to this which would give you the 4 irish channels and the sky on as many television you require....
the drawbacks of this would be the picture wouldnt be the same quality and sound would be reduced to mono...

Tony

This will cause some loss but as long as the signal to noise ratio is ok it may still work, I would not rule it out. Makes me wonder though if there are three joins then is there access to the cable, why not just replace it?

Brewster wrote: »

3 f type screw joins in existing single cable?

Brewster

Tony wrote: »

This will cause some loss but as long as the signal to noise ratio is ok it may still work, I would not rule it out. Makes me wonder though if there are three joins then is there access to the cable, why not just replace it?

Tony, this is my system. There were two NTL points in house, one in living room and one in bedroom upstairs when I moved in. This is what I did, it was quite clever at the time I thought!! I brought my sky cable through attic and down into bedroom and joined it to cable behind NTL point with a screw type join. Then by opening box outside my house I was able to connect the bedroom cable to the living room cable as I was able to access them both. Finally I joined the cable behind NTL plate in living room to my sky box making a third f type join in run. So I had created this complete loop from LNB of sky dish to my digibox simply by using the existing NTL prewired cables behind wall. It has worked a dream, excellent signal quality and strength and I never had any issues regardless of the rain.

Brewster

steveon wrote: »

Another option available to you although not favoured by many here would be to put your box in the attic and use a magic eye using the single cable to change the channels, this could also be added to a second or third ro0om using a digital amplifier and magic eyes added....or a terrestrial aerial could also be added to this which would give you the 4 irish channels and the sky on as many television you require....
the drawbacks of this would be the picture wouldnt be the same quality and sound would be reduced to mono...

Cheers Steve, I was using this option. I had my sky hd box in bedroom with two feeds and used a magic eye using existing NTL cable. However, I want to get HD sub from sky and obviously box needs to be beside TV with a HDMI connection. So i have brought box downstairs again, but now of course I have only one feed again so lose out on sky plus hence me exploring other options such as single cable router, stacker/destacker etc....

Tony

Ok, I still would not rule out a stacker in this scenario especially if you can keep the final run to minimum length

Brewster wrote: »

Tony, this is my system. There were two NTL points in house, one in living room and one in bedroom upstairs when I moved in. This is what I did, it was quite clever at the time I thought!! I brought my sky cable through attic and down into bedroom and joined it to cable behind NTL point with a screw type join. Then by opening box outside my house I was able to connect the bedroom cable to the living room cable as I was able to access them both. Finally I joined the cable behind NTL plate in living room to my sky box making a third f type join in run. So I had created this complete loop from LNB of sky dish to my digibox simply by using the existing NTL prewired cables behind wall. It has worked a dream, excellent signal quality and strength and I never had any issues regardless of the rain.

Brewster

Tony wrote: »

Ok, I still would not rule out a stacker in this scenario especially if you can keep the final run to minimum length

Thanks, are there installers in Ireland who would do this. North Wicklow based?

ciotog

steveon wrote: »

I have installed loads of Stacker Destacker units and find them brillant despite the cost if there is no other way then they are great.

I have used two that I can tell you about

1. johansson stacker destacker mixed results wouldnt recommend.

2. One for all Stacker Destacker

Excellent results comes in 2 varietes 30 or 50 metre runs..You simpy run two cable from quad via f connectors into unit and one cable down to room required...and then it reverses with a second box in the room below...takes seconds to setup and work perfect however you will need good quality cable such as ct100 or at a minimum rg6 cable....

Where would one acquire one of these in Ireland? (Assume one of these http://www.satelliteonline.co.uk/stacker_destacker_unit.htm is the type of device?)

steveon

ciotog wrote: »

Where would one acquire one of these in Ireland? (Assume one of these http://www.satelliteonline.co.uk/stacker_destacker_unit.htm is the type of device?)

Ask and u will get ...http://tvtrade.ie/show/125,GLOBAL-Stacker--De-Stacker

ciotog

steveon wrote: »

Ask and u will get ...http://tvtrade.ie/show/125,GLOBAL-Stacker--De-Stacker

You're a gentleman, thanks!

steveon

Most welcome thats what we are here for...

Tony

I'm sure there are but why would you need one given your work so far?

Brewster wrote: »

Thanks, are there installers in Ireland who would do this. North Wicklow based?

Brewster

Tony wrote: »

I'm sure there are but why would you need one given your work so far?

Do you think Id be able to install one Tony?! I want an independent installer to install HD for me and he might try the stacker/destacker when he is here. You can get a hd box for 49 plus 50 installation from sky at moment.

On a separate issue, which hd box do people find the best? Pace or Amstrad Im reading?!? Do you get a choice? I guess you might have a better chance of a choice by going through an installer rather than directly with sky?

Brewster

steveon wrote: »

Ask and u will get ...http://tvtrade.ie/show/125,GLOBAL-Stacker--De-Stacker

Is that the one you recommend Steve? Is this better than johannson one? I guess I could buy one for 75 euro, and stick it on ebay if it doesnt work due to cable joins that I have in my single cable??

Apogee

Which ever model of receiver you get, try and get one which gives you the option of using the SCR adapter as a fall back poisiton.

The 3 joints in the cable wouldn't be so bad for the stacker, rather that the cable is "NTL cable" and most likely just TV coax. Performance is likely to be borderline. See if your installer will give you the option of testing the stacker for a week to see that it works across all channels - interfererence problems may not be obvious straight away.

Tony

Talk to an independent that does sky

Brewster wrote: »

Do you think Id be able to install one Tony?! I want an independent installer to install HD for me and he might try the stacker/destacker when he is here. You can get a hd box for 49 plus 50 installation from sky at moment.

On a separate issue, which hd box do people find the best? Pace or Amstrad Im reading?!? Do you get a choice? I guess you might have a better chance of a choice by going through an installer rather than directly with sky?

Brewster

Apogee wrote: »

Which ever model of receiver you get, try and get one which gives you the option of using the SCR adapter as a fall back poisiton.

The 3 joints in the cable wouldn't be so bad for the stacker, rather that the cable is "NTL cable" and most likely just TV coax. Performance is likely to be borderline. See if your installer will give you the option of testing the stacker for a week to see that it works across all channels - interfererence problems may not be obvious straight away.

Was talking to global invacom in Uk about SCR job. He said it would work fine for me provided I had a new HD box. He said they are sold by Armstrong Satelittes in bluebell. Your man said two feeds would feed into a box in attic, then single cable would come from this and then another box in living room would reverse process and provide the two outputs. He said I wouldnt have any issues with it. I think they cost 139 euro plus VAT from Armstrong. I rang Armstong, he said a stacker/destacker would work for me, but when I told him about NTL cable he wasnt sure. At first he said SCR system wouldnt work as Id need a multiswitch or something, but then said it would work. Said it was an overkill though! I dont mind paying the money, I just want a solution that works. Another advantage of SCR is that its powered from digixbox?? Would this be true, ie you dont need to plug it in? Or would the power required by the same for both devices?? Cheers

Brewster

I have been informed that the existing "Ntl" cable in my house is "double shielded" and should be fine for a stacker/destacker.

Thanks for all your help guys, I think ill chance stacker/destacker route using Global 30m model.

kooga

guys

on the global viacom website there are two types of stackers mentioned, anybody any idea whats the differnce if i am correct one is diseqc compatible that is it can over come having a diseqc switch ? am i right or wrong

tks
http://www.gionlineshop.co.uk/product_result.php?gID=60&type=2&group=Stacker Destackers&sm=8

kooga

noting the above

i have a combo box with sat and saorview connection, if i install the wallplate does it allow me connect a second sat box or is too easy. was researching stacker destacker and single cable router when i came across this.

http://www.vision-products.co.uk/app/uploads/product_files/372/v33_slim-n-fast_wall_sockets.pdf

Apogee

You should remove the Diseqc switch first and test both outputs from the destacker to confirm whether the switch is the problem. No point buying a different Stacker/Destacker until after you've confirmed where the problem lies.

Peter Rhea

kooga wrote: »

. . . if i am correct one is diseqc compatible that is it can over come having a diseqc switch ? am i right or wrong

Do you mean can it replace the DiSEqC switch in your setup? No it can't.

kooga wrote: »

. . . if i install the wallplate does it allow me connect a second sat box

That wallplate will need 2 satellite feeds, either from the lnb or both outputs of the destacker.

Have you set up the DiSEqC switch & stacker/destacker as suggested in the other thread? (And why can't you keep all your related queries in 1 thread?)

The Cush

kooga wrote: »

i have a combo box with sat and saorview connection, if i install the wallplate does it allow me connect a second sat box or is too easy. was researching stacker destacker and single cable router when i came across this.

The SAT1/SAT2/Terr wallplate requires 2 cables from the LNB. No way around this other than a SDS.

kooga

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Do you mean can it replace the DiSEqC switch in your setup? No it can't.



That wallplate will need 2 satellite feeds, either from the lnb or both outputs of the destacker.

Have you set up the DiSEqC switch & stacker/destacker as suggested in the other thread? (And why can't you keep all your related queries in 1 thread?)

apologies saw this existing thread so just added to it. No thread yet on single cable router smart splitter.

The Cush

This line from the Global DiSEqC SDS leaflet confuses me a little, can someone decipher? The next line in the leaflet mentions DiSEqC loopthru which I can understand, are they referring to the SDS as DiSEqC switch in the line quoted below?

Both LNB inputs independently selectable by voltage/tone or DiSEqC 1.2 controls

http://www.gionlineshop.co.uk/Downloads/sds_diseqc.pdf

Peter Rhea

Only sensible meaning I can take from it is that whatever is connected to each stacker input can be independently controlled, from the relevant receiver.

kooga

researched this even more, therec are two models manufactured by that company a regular and one which is diseqc enabled, which is only marginally more expensive.

The Cush

kooga wrote: »

researched this even more, therec are two models manufactured by that company a regular and one which is diseqc enabled, which is only marginally more expensive.

When you say DiSEqC enabled do you mean it acts as a DiSEqC switch?

Peter Rhea

kooga wrote: »

therec are two models manufactured by that company a regular and one which is diseqc enabled

Do you still have the one you were trying out?

kooga

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Do you still have the one you were trying out?

no peter,

my installer took it away as he didn't charge me, ( he is on hols at the moment) but on reflection it was just the reg stacker as the sds disecq enabled one has it written on it just coped it today when i was on the manufacturers website and noticed that the two models they sell have two different product codes.

Given how cheap a disecq switch is and the disecq sds is only a few quid more it could be my solution and may have a built in disecq switch.

Tks for all the follow up lads

Peter Rhea

There wouldn't be any point to it having a built-in DiSEqC switch.

kooga

Peter Rhea wrote: »

There wouldn't be any point to it having a built-in DiSEqC switch.

why ? can you explain please

Peter Rhea

Just think about it. The stacker on its own only provides 2 lnb feeds.

If the original version isn't compatible with DiSEqC, it would be because it was aimed at users of Sky+ boxes.

The Cush

kooga wrote: »

why ? can you explain please

because 2 separate receivers or 2 PVR tuners can't be allowed to access the same LNB output at the same time, if that make sence?

The only way it can work is if you attach a DiSEqC switch between the stacker and the LNBs or a multiswitch of course.

The DiSEqC SDS is designed to allow DiSEqC commands loop thru both the standard downlink and the upconverted downlink frequencies it appears, something it couldn't do before I guess.

kooga

but i have two dishes with separate quad lnbs and so have a diseqc switch. so if the sds is diseqc enabled it should be compatible with my set up....................or am i talking clueless?

Peter Rhea

Haven't we been through this before?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86054835&postcount=20

kooga

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Haven't we been through this before?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86054835&postcount=20

peter we have. case closed. will only post again if i have a satisfactory outcome. just a pain at the mo having to share one sat feed between sky box and combo box!

not to bad tonight as mrs watching rose of tralee on combo with terrestial aerial in and flicking to watch football on setanta on sky box with sat feed in

The Cush

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Haven't we been through this before?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=86054835&postcount=20

The diagram say it all.