Would I be allowed to post a thread about boards.ie? and it's pro lisbon stance

Captain Furball

Would anyone have an issue with me making a thread in the conspiracy forum about this?

orestes

You want to start a thread on the boards.ie conspiracy theories forum about boards.ie being compicit in a political conspiracy? So you want to accuse the powers that be of being corrupt, on their own site, when they hae the power and ability to edit/remove any content that is put on their site and do whatever they like to your profile?

Have you seen the Dark Knight by the way? There's a great scene in it with Morgan Freeman where this guy tries to blackmail him....

Boston

It's no conspiracy, its written right there in the AGM minutes for last year.

Regi " I propose that we take a pro Lisbon stance"
Cloud "Seconded"
Devore "I essentially agree, but how does this tie in with our pro NAZI, Jewish, communist, liberalise, terrorist, pro abortion, racist, sexist, fascist, capitalist, affliates in "her majesty's kingdom" of england, scotland wales and Ireland" *gentle touchs his organge order sash

Regi "It fits in perfectly"
All "Huzza"

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Boston wrote: »

It's no conspiracy, its written right there in the AGM minutes for last year.

Regi " I propose that we take a pro Lisbon stance"
Cloud "Seconded"
Devore "I essentially agree, but how does this tie in with our pro NAZI, Jewish, communist, liberalise, terrorist, pro abortion, racist, sexist, fascist, capitalist, affliates in "her majesty's kingdom" of england, scotland wales and Ireland" *gentle touchs his organge order sash

Regi "It fits in perfectly"
All "Huzza"

I can still hear the clinking of their goblets as they collided gleefully.

Captain Furball

Your getting carried away.
What harm could it do?

Captain Furball

Captain Furball wrote: »

Your getting carried away.
What harm could it do?

It's just a bit cheeky, isn't it?

Ask the mods of CT, they're the ones who will let you know.

orestes

Captain Furball wrote: »

Your getting carried away.
What harm could it do?

Not really a matter of what harm it could do, more a matter of it being a pointless exercise with no basis that will just result in boards.ie (and I would imagine the politics mods/users) getting veiled abuse and crap thrown at them by people with an axe to grind. Why should boards provide people with a platform for whingers to sling shit at it and its people, particularly in a seperate forum to the one that they are unhappy with? They tried that system before, it's the way feedback used to be. It doesn't work (although I still miss those kitties).

Beruthiel

Boston wrote: »

It's no conspiracy, its written right there in the AGM minutes for last year.

Regi " I propose that we take a pro Lisbon stance"
Cloud "Seconded"
Devore "I essentially agree, but how does this tie in with our pro NAZI, Jewish, communist, liberalise, terrorist, pro abortion, racist, sexist, fascist, capitalist, affliates in "her majesty's kingdom" of england, scotland wales and Ireland" *gentle touchs his organge order sash

Regi "It fits in perfectly"
All "Huzza"

Yup.
That's exactly how it went down.

Afterwards they fed on baby seals accompanied with a rare vintage wine.
Those bastids.

Dudess

I wouldn't recommend it because it's bullsh1t. Seriously, Boards.ie doesn't have a political agenda. Each individual has their own political views but when moderators/admins appear to be singing from the same hymn-sheet, cries of "Oh noez, they've an agenda" can be heard... It's a bit paranoid.

An example: A bunch of staunch republicans are always whingeing that Boards is anti republican/unionist... then the other day, some loyalist guy kept re-regging (because he kept being banned) and eventually resorting to claiming "Boards is a pro republican site".

orestes

Dudess wrote: »

I wouldn't recommend it because it's bullsh1t. Seriously, Boards.ie doesn't have a political agenda. Each individual has their own political views but when moderators/admins appear to be singing from the same hymn-sheet, cries of "Oh noez, they've an agenda" can be heard... It's a bit paranoid.

An example: A bunch of staunch republicans are always whingeing that Boards is anti republican/unionist... then the other day, some loyalist guy kept re-regging (because he kept being banned) and eventually resorting to claiming "Boards is a pro republican site".

Don't forget that boards is a nazi regime that has banned the stormfront crowd. Banning nasty, abusive, racist, evil bastards who contribute nothing but venom and vitriol to the site, or getting rid of the competition? The plot thickens....

bonkey

-JammyDodger- wrote: »

Ask the mods of CT, they're the ones who will let you know.

What a novel idea.

Alternately...it could be posted in the "Opinions" sticky we have, to discuss it in-forum, in public.

hullaballoo

Why is it that the CT forum always seems to want to conspire against the very site that allows them the opportunity to discuss conspiracies in the first place?

orestes

hullaballoo wrote: »

Why is it that the CT forum always seems to want to conspire against the very site that allows them the opportunity to discuss conspiracies in the first place?

A boards admin accusing the conspiracy theory forum of conspiring against boards in retaliation to the politics forum accusing boards of being a political conpiracy in the conspiracy theories forum?

*head explodes*

bonkey

hullaballoo wrote: »

Why is it that the CT forum always seems to want to conspire against the very site that allows them the opportunity to discuss conspiracies in the first place?

It may seem that way...just like it seems to some (apparently) that boards.ie has a political agenda. i.e. The words of a vocal few gets confused with a stance of the collective.

oscarBravo

boards.ie doesn't have a pro-Lisbon stance. The Politics forum, and specifically the EU subforum, doesn't have a pro-Lisbon stance.

What it does have is at least two moderators who believe that the treaty should be ratified, and express that opinion on a regular basis.

It also has a number of users who apparently believe that moderators shouldn't hold (or at least shouldn't express) a view on the topic. More problematically, it has a number of users who don't believe the rules apply to them, and would rather believe that they have been sanctioned because the moderators disagree with them than accept the possibility that it was because they broke the rules.

Hope that clears things up.

Dudess

Boards also has a number of users who believe moderators reprimand them simply for their opinion, rather than how they've expressed it. Those are two very different things.

Cabaal

Vihaan Unkempt Cracker wrote: »

I can still hear the clinking of their goblets as they collided gleefully.

Between the AGM and eircom giving me a free 20MB ADSL line, free phone and mobile calls for life and a new car every year so I support there new warez site blocking policy I've had a good year :pac:

:rolleyes:

Cabaal

Dudess wrote: »

Boards also has a number of users who believe moderators reprimand them simply for their opinion, rather than how they've expressed it. Those are two very different things.

sssh I don't agree with your opinion in this post I'll have to ban you later

Captain Furball

I've asked a mod before posting this and he said to post it in here to get some feedback.

So bad idea?

orestes

Captain Furball wrote: »

So bad idea?

Considering that there is absolutely nothing to base the idea on in any way, shape or form, yes, I would say bad idea.

Captain Furball

How do you know what i have to say if i am not allowed to say it?
It's not like it's going to cause any harm to anyone.

orestes

Captain Furball wrote: »

How do you know what i have to say if i am not allowed to say it?
It's not like it's going to cause any harm to anyone.

Judging from the title of this thread you want to start a thread about boards.ie having a pro-Lisbon stance in the Conspiracy Theories forum. From that I think it is fair to conclude that you want to say boards.ie has a pro-Lisbon stance and it is some kind of conspiracy. It does not and it is not. There is quite simply nothing to discuss.

All it would do is cause hassle and unnecessary work for the moderators of the forum in question, not to mention give some people the misinformed notion that there might actually be some merit to the idea, which there is not. Instead of that harm will it do, what good do you think it will do?

6th

He Pm'd me about it and I said if its about boards then post it in feedback. I didnt expect a thread in feedback asking for permission to ignore me :rolleyes:

6th

If you think Boards.ie (as a body) is being biased then its an issue with the site. If you think its an enforced policy then use Helpdesk to address the Admins.

Captain Furball

Any good conspiracy will have a theory to back it up, hence the word conspiracy theory.The title of which would be, does boards have a pro Lisbon stance.But you don't know what my theory is, only what it is based upon.

Yes I asked 6th about this yesterday and I just thought Id ask for permission in here, so not to offend anyone, or get myself into trouble.

orestes

Captain Furball wrote: »

Any good conspiracy will have a theory to back it up, hence the word conspiracy theory.The title of which would be, does boards have a pro Lisbon stance.But you don't know what my theory is, only what it is based upon.

But any "evidence" or discussion of the subject would be pointless since it is an irrefutable fact that boards does not have any political stance whatsoever. Therefore any theory whatsoever on the subject is inherently not supported. It would be like starting a thread on how best to get a unicorn to breed with a sphinx. It is a completely pointless exercise.

Captain Furball

I don't think you grasp the concept of conspiracy theory very well.

orestes

Captain Furball wrote: »

I don't think you grasp the concept of conspiracy theory very well.

I was under the impression it was to discuss things that might be possible and not by their very nature completely impossible

Captain Furball

Very good,you just described my thread in a nutshell.

orestes

Captain Furball wrote: »

Very good,you just described my thread in a nutshell.

Then it is a matter regarding boards as an entity and belongs in the feedback forum, as 6th pointed out to you originally. Asking here for permission to start the thread on the conspiracy theories forum was not what he meant for you to do I think. Start the thread here where it belongs, not in the conspiracy theories forum, although you will just get the same answers as have been given here by several people already in my opinion.

humanji

To save time, the thread would go as follows:

The OP will be about Boards.ie having an agenda to push for a Yes vote in Lisbon. One or two users will agree, one or two users will disagree. Those against the conspiracy will demand proof. Those for it will reference the various anti-Lisbon users who have been banned/reprimanded. Those against the conspiracy will point out that those users were banned for other reasons. Those for the conspiracy will say that that is a smokescreen. The thread will then quickly turn into a thread about the merits/problems of Lisbon. The thread will be closed as it's no longer about a conspiracy, but just devolved into the usual pro/anti-Lisbon threads that are all over this site.

Beruthiel

Captain Furball wrote: »

I don't think you grasp the concept of conspiracy theory very well.

I am an Admin on this site.
I can assure you, not once, ever, have we the Admins, as a collective, discussed politics.

There is no agenda here.

As Dudess said, you are free to state any opinion you wish.
However, it is how you express that opinion and the links you provide which will be taken into consideration by a mod if necessary.

6th

From the CT Charter:

• Respect other posters
Snide remarks and bitching will not be tolerated, nor will accusations thrown at other members of the Boards.ie community. Singling out a poster or posters, including stating things like "some posters on here" could land you in trouble.

We've had posters accusing other members of being paid to post etc. If there was any of that again harsh bans would be handed out.

Kinetic^

Dudess wrote: »

Boards also has a number of users who believe moderators reprimand them simply for their opinion

Only way to moderate around here. moar bans = paycheck++++ = mucho glug glug

bonkey

humanji wrote: »

To save time, the thread would go as follows:

The OP will be about Boards.ie having an agenda to push for a Yes vote in Lisbon. One or two users will agree, one or two users will disagree. Those against the conspiracy will demand proof. Those for it will reference the various anti-Lisbon users who have been banned/reprimanded. Those against the conspiracy will point out that those users were banned for other reasons. Those for the conspiracy will say that that is a smokescreen. The thread will then quickly turn into a thread about the merits/problems of Lisbon. The thread will be closed as it's no longer about a conspiracy, but just devolved into the usual pro/anti-Lisbon threads that are all over this site.

A new thread will then be started, citing the old thread as proof (rather than further evidence) that the conspiracy exists, and that the theory is bang on.

This, in turn, will be locked, with a warning that any sort of "feedback loop" of the same stuff will result in bannings.

The Conspiracy Of No Voters will then continue their discussion on a social network other than boards.ie, citing this oppression as proof-positive that they were right in the first place.

And if all of that...Smilies Will be overused somewhere, resulting in 6th going on a banning spree, hunting down every post since he became which contained more than two smilies beside each other, and banning the user for a "resaonable" period, such as one week per "extra" smiley.

<shudders>

Glad we can avoid all of that, really.

Alternately...do it while I'm on holiday, lads

(Thats only one smiley, 6th. Don't shout at me)

faceman

humanji wrote: »

To save time, the thread would go as follows:

The OP will be about Boards.ie having an agenda to push for a Yes vote in Lisbon. One or two users will agree, one or two users will disagree. Those against the conspiracy will demand proof. Those for it will reference the various anti-Lisbon users who have been banned/reprimanded. Those against the conspiracy will point out that those users were banned for other reasons. Those for the conspiracy will say that that is a smokescreen. The thread will then quickly turn into a thread about the merits/problems of Lisbon. The thread will be closed as it's no longer about a conspiracy, but just devolved into the usual pro/anti-Lisbon threads that are all over this site.

Sounds about right!

Roll on €1.84 p/h minimum wage for all! (apparantely) :pac:

Boston

:):):):):):):):):):):):):):)

How do you like them apples!

Wreck

I don't know about any conspiracy, all I know is I'm voting yes because Terry is voting yes.

Cantab.

oscarBravo wrote: »

boards.ie doesn't have a pro-Lisbon stance. The Politics forum, and specifically the EU subforum, doesn't have a pro-Lisbon stance.

What it does have is at least two moderators who believe that the treaty should be ratified, and express that opinion on a regular basis.

It also has a number of users who apparently believe that moderators shouldn't hold (or at least shouldn't express) a view on the topic. More problematically, it has a number of users who don't believe the rules apply to them, and would rather believe that they have been sanctioned because the moderators disagree with them than accept the possibility that it was because they broke the rules.

Hope that clears things up.

The politics forum is distinctly pro-Lisbon.

orestes

Cantab. wrote: »

The politics forum is distinctly pro-Lisbon.

How do you mean? That the mods are pro-Lisbon? Some are, some aren't. They are entitled to their opinions and to voice them the same as everybody else. The idea that mods shouldn't be allowed to voice their opinions just because they are mods is ridiculous considering that they were originally made mods because they were good posters in the forum in question. Their opinions don't relate to their mod duties. If you mean that most of the posters in the forum are pro-Lisbon, what on Earth do you want boards or the politics mods to do about it? Make sure there is an exactly even amount of pro-Lisbon and anti-Lisbon posts in the forum or something?

Red Sleeping Beauty

oscarBravo wrote: »

boards.ie doesn't have a pro-Lisbon stance. The Politics forum, and specifically the EU subforum, doesn't have a pro-Lisbon stance.

What it does have is at least two moderators who believe that the treaty should be ratified, and express that opinion on a regular basis.

It also has a number of users who apparently believe that moderators shouldn't hold (or at least shouldn't express) a view on the topic. More problematically, it has a number of users who don't believe the rules apply to them, and would rather believe that they have been sanctioned because the moderators disagree with them than accept the possibility that it was because they broke the rules.

Hope that clears things up.

I don't think the moderators should abstain from expressing their views and I don't think anyone would want them to do so. That'd be daft. Fair implementation of the charter is all anyone can really request.

Dustaz

Since when do people need permission to post threads?

Just post your thread. If its something thats against the rules (im not sure how it is) then it might get locked. no big deal. I guess theres an outside chance you might get banned but thats hardly likely is it?

Its a conspiracy theory for gods sake, why are there people saying that "OMG DERE IZ NO BASIS 4 DIS IN FACT". You cute little CT kids have knocked yourselves out on far less before.

bonkey

Cantab. wrote: »

The politics forum is distinctly pro-Lisbon.

A forum is a virtual message board, about a single topic. As such, the forum itself has no political leanings.

That leaves either the posters or the moderators

If the posters are prediminantly pro- or anti- something....so what? More importantly...what should anyone on boards.ie be expected to do about it?

That leaves the moderators.

If the moderators are moderating in a biased manner, then there is a problem.
If someone had evidence of this, then they should bring it to the attention of the Admins in Help Desk.

The reality is that when faced with this option, most people make noise about there not being a problem they feel they should take to Help Desk (just one they feel they should complain about elsewhere), or they fudge reasons as to why they don't actually have clear evidence of bias.

Which leaves us where, exactly? We have people making allegations that they don't support with evidence, and don't take to the only authorities who are in a position to do something about it.

To my eyes, that suggests that the allegations whether true or not have more value to the people making them then resolution of the issue would. In other words, its a convenient sympathy-card to play, rather than a problem that is worth putting effort into getting fixed.

This, of course, is ironic, given that its effectively the same nature of thing being complained about...underhanded tactics to prop up a position, rather than arguing it on its own merits.

bonkey

Dustaz wrote: »

I guess theres an outside chance you might get banned but thats hardly likely is it?

I'd say that its pretty damned likely, having asked the mods and being told it would be against the charter...and being shown what part of the charter its against.

Hobbes

I think you should be fine as long as you word the thread in the way of a question.

For example:

Boards.ie, a pro-lisbon website?
Devore, drinks baby seals blood?

I am an Admin on this site.
I can assure you, not once, ever, have we the Admins, as a collective, discussed politics.

OMGZ! If Bru doesn't know then how deep does this conspiracy go!

... tbh, I don't see an issue with it. Surprised CT doesn't have a post yet on how all the boards.ie admins are lizard people... I've said too much.

bonkey

Hobbes wrote: »

I think you should be fine as long as you word the thread in the way of a question.

I disagree.

Anyone who answers "yes" to the question, or argues in favour of that position is infringing the charter.

This creates a difficult situation.

Either the mods have to sanction anyone who takes one side of the issue, or we have to set a precedent that we ignore the charter for anyone who is ansewring a question....in effect creating the perfect "run around" for people to bypass any part fo the charter that takes their fancy.

CT already has problems with cries of favouritism and bias coming fairly regularly. permitting a thread that requires us to either ignore the charter for one side of the argument, or sanction all people on said side of the argument isn't going to help that.

We drew the line where it is because we've had allegations about specuific psoters, allegations about groups of posters, attacks on groups of posters carrying certain opinions, and so forth....all of which only has added to the constant tension in the forum.

I'd be open to a discussion about redrawing that line somewhere else, but such a discussion should be - IMHO - in the Feedback sticky we have for just such discussions, and until the charter is changed, we should be expected as mods to enforce the charter we have.

Under that charter, the requested thread is not acceptable.

Hobbes

bonkey wrote: »

Anyone who answers "yes" to the question, or argues in favour of that position is infringing the charter.

Bonkey, doesn't know a joke when he sees one?

I'm not saying you don't know how to spot humour, just that reasonable lizard-hating people want to know.

<serious mode>

Mods are biased. Heck everyone is to some extent. However the mod role requires you to take a step back from that. It also requires the person posting actually follow the forum guidelines.

Once your within that I don't see the problem. Lisbon posts in CT that I have seen don't fall under the CT guidelines (not enough tinfoil).

If it is a case that your complaining with how mod locked your thread the helpdesk forum is a better place then CT.

DeVore

mmmmm baby seals....


Dev.