Generation Yes Fights Back

liberalsociety

Coir and their fellow travellers have been playing very dirty with Generation Yes calling them everything under the sun, and spreading disinformation. Well not surprisingly Generation Yes have hit back with this very interesting video. Good on 'em

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4Q8Yd5JXuw

skelliser

generation yes! lol! ****ing hell! why dont they just call it mindless indoctrinated ff automaton gob****es yes.

Seriously, this shower is nothing but a ff **** fest.
please ignore.

ei.sdraob

1. @ op was there need for "traveler" remark?
2. @skelliser come on no need to drag the thread to a new low, both groups have a right to freedom of speech

skelliser

i think im making a valuable point albeit using colourful langauge! who is funding these organisations that have sprung up, ff and there friends in europe using tax payers money? surely not!

generation yes
we belong
women for europe

sound quite orwellian when ya thing about it especially "we belong", looking and there site you'd swear we are having a referendum about living the EU the amount of rubbish on it.

And this "heart of europe" nonsense, give me a break

Moromaster

Excellent video, thank you for that.

ei.sdraob

skelliser wrote: »

i think im making a valuable point albeit using colourful langauge! who is funding these organisations that have sprung up, ff and there friends in europe using tax payers money? surely not!

why dont you ask them where the money is coming from

while you are at it please ask COIR where their funding is coming from, since their head dude refused to answer when asked on radio

skelliser wrote: »

And this "heart of europe" nonsense, give me a break

Irish voters have always been very pro EU, just look at our voting records, compared to the British eurosceptics who want Ireland to rejoin their Union/Commonwealth/Empire

"Robert Kilroy-Silk (UKIP MEP since 2004)referred to Ireland as

“a country peopled by peasants, priests and pixies”.

Id rather Ireland continue to have our advantageous position within EU where we continue to receive money for nothing, than being under the British boot again

skelliser

see this this is the typical yes side nonsense, anyone who dissents is immediatly linked with coir, i dont know anything about coir nor do i care. I dont support coir, ok!!

Where are these yes groups getting there funding?

what has britain and british eurosceptics got to do with lisbon and our referendum!

And to say that you want to remain at the heart of europe to "continue to recieve free money" lol

ei.sdraob

skelliser wrote: »

see this this is the typical yes side nonsense, anyone who dissents is immediatly linked with coir, i dont know anything about coir nor do i care. I dont support coir, ok!!

good for you so you are not so far gone then an there is hope

skelliser wrote: »

Where are these yes groups getting there funding?

i dont know, im not involved with them and i was critical of the OP few posts up myself for calling them "travelers" theres no need to sink to Coir's level

as for funding as i said go and ask them, they have to keep a record of all donations i presume

while you are at it ask COIR where they are getting money from and ask Libertas where the millions they spend last year came from

its only fair no?

skelliser wrote: »

what has britain and british eurosceptics got to do with lisbon and our referendum!

a lot since theres a money trail leading to them and a certain Declan Ganley guy who is one of a kind with them

most of the arguments are copied and pasted straight from British trashy tabloids and UKIP/BNP litterature

skelliser wrote: »

And to say that you want to remain at the heart of europe to "continue to recieve free money" lol

yes we have done exceptionally well out of europe

especially the farmers and the infrastructure

PHB

You really are just talking crap here. Generation Yes recieve their funding entirely from donations from Irish Citizens. Entirely. Any claim to the otherwise is just a flat out lie.

Scofflaw

More gently, people.

moderately,
Scofflaw

skelliser

PHB wrote: »

You really are just talking crap here. Generation Yes recieve their funding entirely from donations from Irish Citizens. Entirely. Any claim to the otherwise is just a flat out lie.

proof please

liberalsociety

Generation Yes are registered with SIPO. They receive their funding from ordinary citizens and from the Irish business community. No surprise there! As for Coir - well that's an entirely different matter - their money is funded by a network of pro-life organisations around the world. Membership subscriptions do not count as "donations" for the purpose of a third party in a referendum campaign, and the likes of coir do not have to disclose who their members are because of the data protection acts. They have endless funds which come in as member subscriptions.

Coir are dangerous!

skelliser

ei.sdraob wrote: »

good for you so you are not so far gone then an there is hope

typical response from yes side, belittle and insult the opposition

skelliser

iv said already i dont care about coir, yet ye seem to continue to mention them

im interested in finding out who these yes groups are and how much of our taxes/eu grants
are funding them

whats is sipo?
who are the citizens and business they recieve money from?

The_Minister

ei.sdraob wrote: »

1. @ op was there need for "traveler" remark?

I assume he meant traveller as in someone walking beside them, not a member of the travelling community.

skelliser wrote: »

generation yes! lol! ****ing hell! why dont they just call it mindless indoctrinated ff automaton gob****es yes.

Seriously, this shower is nothing but a ff **** fest.
please ignore.

Actually, I know several people in Generation Yes who aren't in Fianna Fail. I know a few FG'ers in it too.

In fact, I can't think of anything linking FF to GY. FF are linked to We Belong.

skelliser

i was under that impression as well re: we belong

i also read on p.ie that generation yes was heavily linked with the greens

ei.sdraob

skelliser wrote: »

typical response from yes side, belittle and insult the opposition

oh come one wheres your sense of humor this morning

i wasn't insulting you, but making a sly dig at far wing groups like Coir in that sentence

I assume he meant traveller as in someone walking beside them, not a member of the travelling community.

i see if thats the case then the video was quite good

but its the usual same old spending time on rebutting crazy claims of the no side instead of praising and informing people of the positive aspects of Lisbon

the best thing the YES siders can do is just ignore likes of Coir, they dont deserve attention, for the mall publicity is good publicity

skelliser

ei.sdraob wrote: »

oh come one wheres your sense of humor this morning

i wasn't insulting you, but making a sly dig at far wing groups like Coir in that sentence

sorry but it doesnt read like that to me
and again with mentioning of coir!

ei.sdraob

skelliser wrote: »

and again with mentioning of coir!

i know i know but since they are currently the most active party representing the NO side what else can i do?

if you dont like them then maybe moderates on the NO side should tell Coir to calm down with the crazy posters and lies as they are giving a bad name to rest of NO campaign

in same way as alot of parties on the YES side are distancing themselves "from toxic" FF

anwyays wait till SF join the fray thats when it will get really interesting

skelliser

they are active yes, but they dont represent the whole no side, thats a myth created by the yes side

storinius

skelliser wrote: »

proof please

Hi,

I've said this before, but i think that I need to say it again, because I really don't want the volunteers who are good enough to help us out besmirched.

I am from Generation YES. I can tell you categorically that we raise all our own money, and that we receive NO funds from either the EU or the Irish state. To do so would be illegal.

We are running a campaign that doesn't cost much money because a lot of it is online, and we have a FANTASTIC team of volunteers who care passionately about Ireland's future, and who see that future as being greatly aided by the reforms brought in by the Lisbon Treaty. If you would like to discuss any of these reforms, such as the fact that Lisbon mandates more money to be spent in research and development (Article 194), helps fight cross border crime (Article 83), or gives more transparency to decision making in Brussels (Articles 15 and 16) I would be happy to do so. But please stop just insulting us, and calling us corrupt.

Thanks.

skelliser

storinius wrote: »

Hi,

But please stop just insulting us, and calling us corrupt.

Thanks.

sorry but where did i say you where corrupt?
and how many of your members are ff/ex ff members or members of ogra fianna fail
are you a member of those political groups?

therecklessone

Mud slinging meets mud slinging, can we not just flick a coin and be done with this charade? Best of three wins...

ei.sdraob

skelliser wrote: »

they are active yes, but they dont represent the whole no side, thats a myth created by the yes side

perhaps you care to list parties who represent the NO side

its quite a bunch

Wheely

skelliser wrote: »

sorry but where did i say you where corrupt?
and how many of your members are ff/ex ff members or members of ogra fianna fail
are you a member of those political groups?

We'll slow things down for you shall we? The boy who doesn't know what SIPO is asking questions about funding of political campaigns. The sheer irony.......

You made an allegation that Gen YES were funded by taxpayers money. This would be illegal, a misappropriation of public funds to advance a particular outcome in a constitutional referendum. Corrupt even. Hence YOU IMPLIED GEN YES WERE CORRUPT. Follow that logic?

This is probably what Storinius was referring to.

As for FF?Ogra FF? I know many people working for Gen YES, some Greens, Fine Gaelers, and some who are completely party apolitical. Fact. I did a bit of research for them, AS A VOLUNTEER, and in the past I have been a member of the Socialist Party, Labour, and Fine Gael. Never FF who I abhor.

By the way, if they were funded by the military-industrial-EU-FF-disaster capitalism complex I'm sure we'd see their posters everywhere, and their leaflets cluttering the sidewalks. Instead you have a group of young people who genuinely care about these issues giving up their time for NO PAY to run an effecient and hopefully effective online campaign.

A tiny bit of research to this effect on your part would reveal that GEN Yes have been running table quizes all around the country in an effort to raise funds, there is a counter of their fundraising on their website also. Where's all this State/EU funding I wonder? Coir on the other hand have posters up all over the country. Church gate collections must be off the bloody charts eh?:rolleyes:

But you find it easier to come on a message board and throw muck around without any evidence. God, you were too lazy to type the acrynom SIPO in to Google.

skelliser

well the last time out 95% of the parties supported the treaty yet it failed. do all those people support the no parties/organisations, i dont think so

and btw i voted yes
all these new interest groups that have suddenly appeared/created by "concerned citizens" , the changes to the broadcasting regulations, this "heart of europe" nonsense, lisbon will help us in the current economic climate, wheeling out D list celebrities and the fact that the whole yes side seem to think that this referendum is about our actual membership of the eu frankly annoy me

skelliser

Wheely wrote: »

We'll slow things down for you shall we? The boy who doesn't know what SIPO is asking questions about funding of political campaigns. The sheer irony.......

You made an allegation that Gen YES were funded by taxpayers money. This would be illegal, a misappropriation of public funds to advance a particular outcome in a constitutional referendum. Corrupt even. Hence YOU IMPLIED GEN YES WERE CORRUPT. Follow that logic?

This is probably what Storinius was referring to.

As for FF?Ogra FF? I know many people working for Gen YES, some Greens, Fine Gaelers, and some who are completely party apolitical. Fact. I did a bit of research for them, AS A VOLUNTEER, and in the past I have been a member of the Socialist Party, Labour, and Fine Gael. Never FF who I abhor.

By the way, if they were funded by the military-industrial-EU-FF-disaster capitalism complex I'm sure we'd see their posters everywhere, adn their leaflets cluttering the sidewalks. Instead you have a group of young people who genuinely care about these issues giving up their time for NO PAY to run an effecient and hopefully effectiev online campaign.

A tiny bit of research to this effect on your part would reveal that GEN Yes have been running table quizes all around the country in an effort to raise funds, their is a counter of their fundrasing on their website also. Where's all this State/EU funding I wonder? Coir on the other hand have posters up all over the country. Church gate collections must be off the bloody charts eh?:rolleyes:

But you find it easier to come on a message board and throw muck around withuot any evidence. God, you were too lazy to type the acrynom SIPO in to Google.

i did google sipo and got the standards in public office, which is confusing, generation yes is an interest group, what that has to do with public office i dont know, and so what if i dont know what sipo is, no reason to insult me.
and do These table quizes happen to be on the same time as ogra fianna fail meeting?

ei.sdraob

skelliser wrote: »

well the last time out 95% of the parties supported the treaty yet it failed. do all those people support the no parties/organisations, i dont think so

and yet 2 months ago

the Irish people voted in only Pro EU MEP's with Pro Lisbon policies into they Parliament

How do you square that circle ?

oscarBravo

skelliser wrote: »

i did google sipo and got the standards in public office, which is confusing, generation yes is an interest group, what that has to do with public office i dont know, and so what if i dont know what sipo is, no reason to insult me.

With the greatest of respect, if you don't understand SIPO's role in ensuring that the funding of groups like GY is compliant with the relevant legislation, you really ought to go find out before discussing the issue here.

and do These table quizes happen to be on the same time as ogra fianna fail meeting?

If you feel that there's a connection between GY and FF after it has been explained to you that there isn't, then the onus is on you to prove it. If you can't prove it, stop trying to snidely imply that there's a connection.

conchubhar1

fight fire with gas.

bravo.


(also take a look at some of the ''faces behing the facts'' of the yes camp

you will find some shady pasts and political screw ups there)

skelliser

i dont know, irish people are a strange bunch

I do know that there is an underlying distrust and annoyance with europe which has not been addressed because that underlying mistrust is wholely directed at our complete jokeshop of politicians we have here.

storinius still didnt answer my question.
@wheelie im glad you felt the need to tell me your political bio but i didnt ask you any of that

on a facebook page there is a link between ogra and generation yes table quiz, both events happening at the same time
and same place
"Hi all

Hope that you are all looking forward to the weekend - the official launch of Ogra's Yes to Lisbon campaign; a policy workshop on Job Creation and the Knowledge Economy and a workshop on the organisation of Ogra as we head in to the Youth Conference in Bundoran this November.

Just to let you know that we are meeting this Friday at 9pm in Bailey Bar, Washington Street for some finger food, ceol agus banter! It will be a great way to kick off what should be a great weekend.

For those of you who are around earlier, Generation Yes are holding a table quiz at the same venue from 7.30pm - it will be a great way to mix and mingle with the gang, many of whom will also be travelling long distances to be at the event.

Contact me at 087-xxxxxxx if you have any queries.

Slán for now"

from ogras facebook page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=46106033858
now, i think we can safely say that there is a link between ogra and generation yes

Wheely

skelliser wrote: »

i did google sipo and got the standards in public office, which is confusing, generation yes is an interest group, what that has to do with public office i dont know, and so what if i dont know what sipo is, no reason to insult me.
and do These table quizes happen to be on the same time as ogra fianna fail meeting?

Oscar Bravo already answered your first "point"-thanks for that!

No these table quizes don't happen at the same time, place, or have anything to do with FF ogra. There is NO connection between the two and to my knowledge no overlap in membership of any substance. Once again, this could've been found out by you with 5 minutes of your time and basic google skills.

I'm now tired of holding your hand so from now on find out things like this yourself.

conchubhar1

ei.sdraob wrote: »

and yet 2 months ago

the Irish people voted in only Pro EU MEP's with Pro Lisbon policies into they Parliament

How do you square that circle ?

can you say joe higgins?

ei.sdraob

conchubhar1 wrote: »

can you say joe higgins?

out of how many Irish meps that make him?

skelliser

im sorry wheelie but there is a link between ogra fianna fail and generation yes, that facebook page proves it
"Generation Yes are holding a table quiz at the same venue from 7.30pm - it will be a great way to mix and mingle with the gang, many of whom will also be travelling long distances to be at the event." this event being ogras lisbon campaign launch.

tonycascarino

skelliser wrote: »

im sorry wheelie but there is a link between ogra fianna fail and generation yes, that facebook page proves it
"Generation Yes are holding a table quiz at the same venue from 7.30pm - it will be a great way to mix and mingle with the gang"

Don't worry about Generation Yes. It's not as if anyone pays attention to them anyway.;)

conchubhar1

the point is fairly irrelevant anyway.

last time round - ff, fg and labour were behind lisbon

yet it was voted down - now tell me that those three parties did not hold a big majority of supporters and votes.
Eneough to easily win a yes vote - had it been about suporting your political party of choice

which is nonsense - political parties are not a soccer team nor a superhero you should not follow all they do because your family did and because they seem great and all powerfulll.

skelliser

tonycascarino wrote: »

Don't worry about Generation Yes. It's not as if anyone pays attention to them anyway.;)

yes i know, but it still doesnt take away the fact that they are linked to ogra fianna fail.

oh and it only took me 5 minutes to find that info on google

skelliser

i agree if its irrelevent why are they denying links with ogra ff

conchubhar1

I would deny links with ógra fianna fáil.

It just makes sense...

Scofflaw

skelliser wrote: »

typical response from yes side, belittle and insult the opposition

Er....is this by a different 'skelliser'?

generation yes! lol! ****ing hell! why dont they just call it mindless indoctrinated ff automaton gob****es yes.

Seriously, this shower is nothing but a ff **** fest.
please ignore.

Keep it polite, please, on all sides.

moderately,
Scofflaw

Wheely

skelliser wrote: »

yes i know, but it still doesnt take away the fact that they are linked to ogra fianna fail.

oh and it only took me 5 minutes to find that info on google

Congrats you learned how to use a search engine. At least I'll come away from this relationship feeling like I taught you something.

You refered to Gen Yes as "mindless indoctrinated ff automaton gob****es"

Further to that you implied they received funding from the EU, the State and FF.

None of that is true. I'll take my hat off to you, your Woodward and Bernstein-like skills have uncovered that the Gen YES Limerick branch and the FF Ogra Limerick branch are having an event in the same venue and the organiser of the FF highlighted this on his FB page. I wasn't aware of that.

It still doesn't prove your earlier bulls**t allegations. They are launching a Pro-Lisbon campaign, Limerick University probably doesn't have a massive political community, I'm sure there will be members of the Young Greens, YFG and Labour Youth along with FF Ogra in attendance-seeing as they are all supporting the Lisbon Treaty.


I gave you my political biography to dispell any myths you propogated about Gen YES being "mindless indoctrinated ff automaton gob****es"-you mightn't have asked for it directly but it was most certainly relevant to your baseless allegations.

Further what question exactly didn't Storonius answer- I thought I answered them all?

Congrats again on the investigative journalism-I'm sure your Pulitzer's in the post :rolleyes:

Wheely

skelliser wrote: »

i agree if its irrelevent why are they denying links with ogra ff

Once again "Cicero" you called Gen YES a FF "****-fest".........

I'll gladly deny that.

conchubhar1

ah sarcasm - always there when you have nothing else to use and to deflect from the argument.

skelliser

thank you, id like to thank the academy....

i asked storonius was he a member of ff/ogra ff, if you bothered to read my post you would have seen that, but for some reason you attempted to answer for him. He has not answered my question.

oh and these ogra members are quite found of generation yes
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&hs=6Dr&q=site:www.facebook.com+%C3%93gra+generation+yes&start=10&sa=N

K-9

skelliser wrote: »

i agree if its irrelevent why are they denying links with ogra ff

Anymore evidence other than the two groups having a quiz at different times on the same evening and they both want Yes votes and so may socialise with each other!

K-9

skelliser wrote: »

oh and these ogra members are quite found of generation yes
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&hs=6Dr&q=site:www.facebook.com+%C3%93gra+generation+yes&start=10&sa=N

So a few are members of both. That's that one proved then! :eek:

I can hear the sounds of fingernails clutching at straws!

Wheely

skelliser wrote: »

thank you, id like to thank the academy....

i asked storonius was he a member of ff/ogra ff, if you bothered to read my post you would have seen that, but for some reason you attempted to answer for him. He has not answered my question.

oh and these ogra members are quite found of generation yes
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&hs=6Dr&q=site:www.facebook.com+%C3%93gra+generation+yes&start=10&sa=N

He's not.

Look skelliser, seriously now.

Gen YES are not a ff mouthpiece, they are exactly what they say they are, young volunteers who want Lisbon to pass.

I've already explained to you how FF, FG, Lisbon and the Greens are all pro-lisbon, thus the fact that the joined Gen Yes's FB page doesn't surprise me. Try searching for an overlap with any other political party. Or use your research skills to see how many of GEN YES facebook fans are not a mamber of any political party.

I don't see why you're trying so hard to associate the two? Your search brought up 28 results? Out of how many Gen YES facebook fans? Nearly two and half thousand? What's YOUR agenda?

skelliser

so are you saying that members of ogra fianna fail are members of generation yes?

conchubhar1

K-9 wrote: »

So a few are members of both. That's that one proved then! :eek:

I can hear the sounds of fingernails clutching at straws!

well it was eneough to tarnish the whole name of sinn féin.....

Scofflaw

Wheely wrote: »

He's not.

Look skelliser, seriously now.

Gen YES are not a ff mouthpiece, they are exactly what they say they are, young volunteers who want Lisbon to pass.

I've already explained to you how FF, FG, Lisbon and the Greens are all pro-lisbon, thus the fact that the joined Gen Yes's FB page doesn't surprise me. Try searching for an overlap with any other political party. Or use your research skills to see how many of GEN YES facebook fans are not a mamber of any political party.

I don't see why you're trying so hard to associate the two? Your search brought up 28 results? Out of how many Gen YES facebook fans? Nearly two and half thousand? What's YOUR agenda?

Guilt by association - again.

cordially,
Scofflaw