power lifting people

paddyc

Quick questions to the power lifters

With very little flexibility in entire body and average over all strength, how long would it take to


a) get good technique mastered

and

b) get to be lifting big enough weight so as to see and feel the benefits in sport.

looking specifically at clean and jerk and the snatch


again its not for me personally just a 5 year plan so to speak for something else.


thanks for all advice


paddy

d'Oracle

paddyc wrote: »

Quick questions to the power lifters

With very little flexibility in entire body and average over all strength, how long would it take to


a) get good technique mastered

and

b) get to be lifting big enough weight so as to see and feel the benefits in sport.

looking specifically at clean and jerk and the snatch


again its not for me personally just a 5 year plan so to speak for something else.


thanks for all advice


paddy

Point on Terminology.

Snatch and C&J are Olympic Weightlifting.
Powerlifting is Bench press, Squat and Deadlift.

Its counter intuitive.... I know.

paddyc

please see amendment in title


thanks d'oracle

you'd know i am new to this

squod

Depends how you take to it I reckon. I'm rubbish at it, but I've seen people come on well, taking three years or so.

Good luck with it.

Dan@IPG

If you want to become very proficient, a common number thrown around is 30,000 reps of each lift.

Now, one can get pretty good in a short time, but putting a quantity of time on it is rough. Training 2 x per week for 3 years is ~ 300 sessions. Training 6 x per week for a year is also 300 sessions. Just look at oly lifters training to see what I am talking about. They often train 2 or 3 times per DAY.

Reps are key. Training frequency is the key to getting the reps in. And of course you need proper instruction.

Dan John is a remarkable teacher of oly lifting for the masses. Start with his stuff @ danjohn.org.

g'em

Dan@IPG wrote: »

Now, one can get pretty good in a short time, but putting a quantity of time on it is rough. Training 2 x per week for 3 years is ~ 300 sessions. Training 6 x per week for a year is also 300 sessions. Just look at oly lifters training to see what I am talking about. They often train 2 or 3 times per DAY.

Virtually all top-end athletes will train at a much higher volume than the average person, weightlifting isn't exclusive in that regard. High-volume training isn't quite de rigeur as it once was though, and practices are changing. But for the average person looking to get proficient personally I'd say that it's reps x volume that's key - one's useless without a complimentary element of the other, and by and large it's high(er) volume, low reps.

OP if you're looking to weightlift I'd implore you to be shown the lifts by a good coach in person. It's an incredibly safe sport when done right, but technique is key, more important than raw strength tbh, and without it you'll only get so far.

iirc the boys @ Crossfit have done their Level 1 Olympic Weightlifting coaching courses and have a good handle on technique, you could always enquire with them?

Colm_OReilly

The answer we've found is "fairly quickly"

Take the guy with the average physical iq (ability to learn stuff), he can begin learning and executing the movements over a couple of sessions.

Benefits for sport, we've found that within a few weeks they'll notice the benefits. Of course, this varies depending upon the athlete, sport, and training history.

For proficiency at the lifts, most of the IAWLA lads who've I've spoken to give a time frame of about 3 years before you're really sucking deisel.

g'em

Colm_OReilly wrote: »

For proficiency at the lifts, most of the IAWLA lads who've I've spoken to give a time frame of about 3 years before you're really sucking deisel.

And if you haven't mastered it by then you just suck

Roper

Personally, while I think the Olympic lifts are great and I enjoy them, I think the time:benefit ratio is skewed towards more strength based lifts, especially when we're talking about adults who may never have lifted anything heavy before.

You can use heavier loads earlier with squatting, benching, pressing etc. whereas your neophyte weightlifter requires a great degree of coaching on the lifts before loading of any worth can take place.

Based only on instinct having not trained anyone to any great proficiency at Oly lifts I would say 2-3 years.

spiral

There is no reason you cant squat/pull heavy while training the olympic lifts.:D

Roper

oh you again.

g'em

spiral wrote: »

There is no reason you cant squat/pull heavy while training the olympic lifts.:D

Squats and oly lifts go hand in hand - one will improve the other.

Heavy pulling? Not so much. You can incorporate snatch and clean deadlifts or snatch and clean pulls into your program, but if you're DLing conventionally an at weights much greater than your 1RM clean/ snatch (120%+?) then I believe there comes a point that it will hinder not help.

spiral

I was talking about clean/snatch pulls and clean/snatch deadlifts done with good form.
I think its quite possible to occasionally do clean/snatch deadlifts quite heavy as long as good form is kept.