WWE Breaking Point PPV *Spoilers*

JP Liz

Breaking Point takes place on September 13th at the Bell Centre in Montreal, Canada.

The top matches are under submission-match rules

WWE Title:
("I Quit" Match)
-Randy Orton (c) vs. John Cena

World Title:
(Submission Match)
-CM Punk (c) vs. The Undertaker

Intercontinental Title:
-Rey Mysterio (c) vs. Dolph Ziggler

Unified Tag-Team Titles:
-Chris Jericho & Big Show (c) vs. MVP & Mark Henry

pingu_girl

LOL @ JP Liz getting in early with the thread. You learnt from your mistakes

Dancor

Has taker ever tapped out?

Mitch Connor

Cena vs Orton is an I Quit Match!! fookin nora!

I know neither of them will actually be leaving the WWE but it could throw up so very interesting storylines after the match.

pingu_girl

dancor wrote: »

Has taker ever tapped out?

Yeah to Angle but it wasn't counted

Cactus Col

pingu_girl wrote: »

Yeah to Angle but it wasn't counted

I thought it was given as a draw because taker tapped just as the three count was reached?

dancor

dancor wrote: »

Has taker ever tapped out?

This will no-doubtedly be repeated by JR at least 50 times. Punks Anaconda will be great to see again.

orestes

I'm REALLY tempted to grab a post from that fella who started the Summerslam thread and nudge it in here as the opening post for this thread just for shits and giggles :pac:

JP Liz

The official theme song for WWE's Breaking Point pay-per-view is Lynyrd Skynyrd's Still Unbroken

D-FENS

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Cena vs Orton is an I Quit Match!! fookin nora!

I know neither of them will actually be leaving the WWE but it could throw up so very interesting storylines after the match.

You do know "I quit" means just the match, not the company?

Machismo Fan

Cactus Col wrote: »

I thought it was given as a draw because taker tapped just as the three count was reached?

But he still tapped out.

michael.etc...

Cactus Col wrote: »

I thought it was given as a draw because taker tapped just as the three count was reached?

Yeah, this is correct. Taker did indeed tap, but it doesn't count as a submission loss because of Angle being counted to three at the same time.

That was a bloody good match.

JP Liz

I Quit Match for the WWE Title
Randy Orton vs. John Cena

Submissions Match for the World Title
CM Punk vs. The Undertaker

Submissions Count Anywhere Match
DX vs. Legacy

Singapore Cane Match
Kane vs. The Great Khali

ECW Title Match
Christian vs. William Regal

WWE Intercontinental Title Match
John Morrison vs. Dolph Ziggler

WWE Unified Tag Team Title Match
Big Show & Chris Jericho vs. MVP & Mark Henry

WWE officials are disappointed with the ticket sales for the Breaking Point pay-per-view. There have been around 9,000 tickets sold for the event and there is a major concern within WWE with the pay-per-view being only a week away. This is the first pay-per-view event in Montreal since 2003 (No Way Out) and that event had an attendance of 15,100. Montreal has historically been one of the top wrestling cities in Canada.

Mitch Connor

D-FENS wrote: »

You do know "I quit" means just the match, not the company?

I did not at the time, no.

Pointless so. No difference between saying I Quit and tapping if it only the match, meaningless imo.

Mate was telling me it is an I Quit match cause McMahon said it is the ultimate submission match. Unlike the Ultimate Submission (Iron Man with sunbmissions instead of pins) match then...

michael.etc...

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I did not at the time, no.

Pointless so. No difference between saying I Quit and tapping if it only the match, meaningless imo.

Losing an "I quit" match though, is percieved as a bigger loss of dignity, and therefore it's a more significant defeat because it's "definitive". Sure, logically there isn't much difference, but it's a worthwhile gimmick that fans largely buy into. It especially helps the fans believe in the Babyface who will never quit, while anticipating a heel humiliation.

Machismo Fan

Gimmicks aside there's only one fresh match on this show.

michael.etc...

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Gimmicks aside there's only one fresh match on this show.

I think it's a card that most people would look at and can imagine delivering in the ring though. HOPEFULLY it's the end of Cena/Orton, for now at least...

Machismo Fan

michael.etc... wrote: »

I think it's a card that most people would look at and can imagine delivering in the ring though. HOPEFULLY it's the end of Cena/Orton, for now at least...

It should but so do most WWE PPV's but it hasn't grabbed my interest with pretty much everything been seen before.

Bounty Hunter

michael.etc... wrote: »

I think it's a card that most people would look at and can imagine delivering in the ring though. HOPEFULLY it's the end of Cena/Orton, for now at least...

you would imagine so as despite him having temp moved aside into DX and tag action the Hell In a Cell PPV is next and Orton vs HHH although your all sick of it is the most likely match-up on the raw side to take place in the cell imo

D2D

From what I can see at http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwebreakingpoint/ , Dolph Vs Morrison is off the card

I'm Surprised at this as after Morrisons match on SmackDown, Ziggler and John could of had "The match of the night", in my view

I keep Thinking that Dolph or John could've failed a Wellness Test because this match should be on PPV and its been pulled less than a week before the PPV

Rjd2

Dare_2_defy wrote: »

From what I can see at http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwebreakingpoint/ , Dolph Vs Morrison is off the card

I'm Surprised at this as after Morrisons match on SmackDown, Ziggler and John could of had "The match of the night", in my view

I keep Thinking that Dolph or John could've failed a Wellness Test because this match should be on PPV and its been pulled less than a week before the PPV

No build behind the match to warrant a PPV slot. Jo Mo losing the belt a week after winning it makes him look bad and Dolph cant afford to lose a IC match for a 3rd consecutive PPV. They probably will have a match at the next PPV for the belt.

michael.etc...

I would have still had this one on the card though. Otherwise, there wasn't much point in putting the strap on Morrison, if the point was to preserve the strap and Ziggler's championship bout on PPV. Plus that it's one bout alot of people would like to have seen is enough for me. No need for a massive story here, the IC title's at stake.

On second thoughts- i think this will still happen. There's plenty of room there....

Furious-Red

The WWE website has removed John Morrison's scheduled Intercontinental title defense against Dolph Ziggler from the Breaking Point pay-per-view line-up.

Jim Ross wrote in his latest blog that the match has been moved to a time To Be Determined.

"It looks as if the pending John Morrison vs. Dolph Ziggler IC Title bout will take place after Sunday's PPV at some point TBD," Ross wrote. "I have high expectations for this rivalry and feel that these two men can have a heck of a series going forward."

Snakeblood

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I did not at the time, no.

Pointless so. No difference between saying I Quit and tapping if it only the match, meaningless imo.

Mate was telling me it is an I Quit match cause McMahon said it is the ultimate submission match. Unlike the Ultimate Submission (Iron Man with sunbmissions instead of pins) match then...

Nah, I Quit matches can be awesome as it boils down to telling someone they are better than you, and you can't take any more pain. It loses a lot more face (in storyline terms) than tapping out. Look at Tully Blanchard and Magnum TA as an example of an awesome I Quit match. It ended with a man having a bit of wood jammed into his eye.

Glory days.

Furious-Red

Cant believe they will leave Kane Vs Khali on the card but take Ziggles vs Morrison off

jaykhunter

wBw's Breaking Point Preview

So, 6 matches, eh? Will we see some DX skits (plural) backstage, or a long in-ring interview? Something's got to fill the time. With an average of 30 minutes allotted time per match, one wonders why Morrison and Ziggler were *removed* from the card. Who knows, maybe they'll do another Diva Search. Or maybe some superstructure will fall in Vince's general direction!

April's Backlash also had 6 matches, and was stretched out by a "Santina"/Khali in-ring segment, and also Tripper, Orton and Undertaker taking their sweet time coming to the ring. Sigh....

At least we're almost guaranteed a great main-event as Punk and Taker get it on for the first time. The tag match and Khali/Kane will most likely be pants. Finger-palming aside, let's run down the card!

Final Card for Sunday's Breaking Point and Predictions :

World Heavyweight Champion CM Punk vs. Undertaker (Submission Match)
Although no-one can see Taker tapping out, I expect/hope Punk to pull a rabbit out of the hat. Maybe he'll knock 'Taker unconscious, apply the Anaconda vice, and win via referee stoppage. I can see Taker putting this guy over...but Punk's not finishing this feud without dropping the belt. Punk to lose the title next month at HiaC.

WWE Champion Randy Orton vs. John Cena ("I Quit" Match)
Cena's making Orton tap with another poorly-applied STF. Sigh.

D-Generation X vs. Cody Rhodes & Ted DiBiase (Submissions Count Anywhere Match)
It's possible that DX could put Legacy over, since DX won last month. They didn't squash them last month, actually made them look decent (although the match wasn't great) I expect them to do the same this month. Hopefully DX will put them over, but I don't think the posterboys of WWE's Greatest Tag Team DVD will do the job.

ECW Champion Christian vs. William Regal (with Ezekiel Jackson & Vladimir Kozlov)
Although it'd be great for Regal to get the ECW title, and with his new useless henchmen he can really be Kingpin in ECW. He really should win. No. I see Vince keeping the belt on Christian for no particular reason. The match will hopefully be above expectations. This one should be a stiff technical match. Hopefully it goes 10 minutes or more before Kozlov and Zeek interfere and get caught for the DQ.

Mark Henry & Montel Vontavious Porter vs. Unified Tag Team Champions Chris Jericho & Big Show
Veteran useless lump and newly useless MVP will job to JeriShow. Pretty sure. How long will Henry/MVP tag last? Not long. Give it 2 months, tops.

The Great Khali vs. Kane (Singapore Cane Match)
See, these two lads need the extra 10-15 minutes they should've given to Morrison/Ziggler, which would've been the definite sleeper on the card. For some reason, Vince needs to see this ****-fest over building future talent. **** you, Vince! I see Kane winning in the worst match on the card.

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Rjd2

The miz v Kofi for the US title C'Ship has been added.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwebreakingpoint/matches/11640458/preview/

Penn

Rjd2 wrote: »

The miz v Kofi for the US title C'Ship has been added.

http://www.wwe.com/shows/wwebreakingpoint/matches/11640458/preview/

Brilliant. Praying for a Miz win

Machismo Fan

So they take off a match which already had a little build in favour of a match that has no build whatsoever.

jaykhunter

fantastic news about Miz being added. Pity Morrison's still off PPVs...hasn't been in one since Judgment Day vs Benjamin

Bounty Hunter

This is quiete an odd PPV cos if I was to take each match individually (just on their own merit not considering what happened in other matches on the night) id have the Heels going over in ever match.

Legacy: they would get a huge rub by beating DX no matter how they do it (cheating etc) and considering they have actually been portrayed as being realtivley strong in recent times (atleast in comparison to before this) it would give them some great momentum moving forward plus they did lose to DX in last months PPV. Considering the stipulation and their heelish ways, surely something could be worked into how this match is booked to allow DX not to look too bad while losing.... Cant see it happening though.

CM Punk: Again getting a win over Taker here would be massive for punk. He only just won back the title and shouldent imo drop it already. A heelish victory, where he cheats or whatever imo would be perfect here as it would mean the story continuing until atleast HIAC where you have to assume SD's main event will be Punk vs Taker again but this time in the cell.

The Miz: I like Kofi but until his mic skills improve or something about him changes (or even just how the WWE book him) his US title reign will continue to be just meh! as far as im concerned. I can see a Miz getting used in bigger and better storylines especially if he has the US title around his waist.

Regal: He's got a little heel stable going now on ECW but having lost already on PPV for the belt and in an embarassing fashion cant really afford to lose again as surely that would mean him out of the title hunt.

Big Show/Jericho: Ill be honest MVP/Henry have somewhat grown on me but unless this rivalry is set to continue for another while at least then Jerishow should win if only because SD is heel heavy already and doesent need Jericho returning to single action (as much as id like to see him minus Big Show).

Orton: only one reason for this one if im honest and that is because despite HHH moving away from the main event for a short while as part of DX, HHH vs Orton is the logical choice for Raw's HIAC main event. Afterall traditionally that is what HIAC is for to to finsih the biggest feuds, and god know that one needs to be finally finished properly.

DM_7

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

This is quiete an odd PPV cos if I was to take each match individually (just on their own merit not considering what happened in other matches on the night) id have the Heels going over in ever match.

Good points.

I have an alternative view on Ortons needs. His matches are ****e, he was great last February but hasn't done much since. His feud with HHH should of worked better but I think part of the problem is that Blandy really isn't that special in the ring.

Orton during the time was booked fairly well and kept up his "Bad actions". Cena has worked through some crap in that time. Orton is due a well deserved loss based on his actions and Cena is the best man in WWE to do it.

It also frees up Orton to end his HHH feud without the belt going onto HHH which would have to happen as I assume Orton is set for a PPV match with Ted in the near future.

Bounty Hunter

DM-ICE wrote: »

Good points.

I have an alternative view on Ortons needs. His matches are ****e, he was great last February but hasn't done much since. His feud with HHH should of worked better but I think part of the problem is that Blandy really isn't that special in the ring.

Orton during the time was booked fairly well and kept up his "Bad actions". Cena has worked through some crap in that time. Orton is due a well deserved loss based on his actions and Cena is the best man in WWE to do it.

It also frees up Orton to end his HHH feud without the belt going onto HHH which would have to happen as I assume Orton is set for a PPV match with Ted in the near future.

honestly I agree with you but I still cant stop thinking that Orton/HHH will be Raw's HIAC main event, not that Orton should neccasirly beat Cena nor should HHH be involved in the title picture again, nor would HHH/Orton in a cell be better than Orton/Cena in a cell but it is more likely and seing as its the title matches in the cell then i expect Orton to retain, if it wasnt the title matches they could still have that match without having to keep the belt on Randy.

you make an interesting point on Orton too as imo he has a great presence and seems to work perfectly for storylines but for the life of me I cant remember a great match of his right now.

DM_7

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

honestly I agree with you but I still cant stop thinking that Orton/HHH will be Raw's HIAC main event, not that Orton should neccasirly beat Cena nor should HHH be involved in the title picture again, nor would HHH/Orton in a cell be better than Orton/Cena in a cell but it is more likely and seing as its the title matches in the cell then i expect Orton to retain, if it wasnt the title matches they could still have that match without having to keep the belt on Randy.

you make an interesting point on Orton too as imo he has a great presence and seems to work perfectly for storylines but for the life of me I cant remember a great match of his right now.

I was just thinking that If orton loses it means:

HHH and Randy at HIAC where HHH can finally beat Orton for his bad acts.

Randy can then Move onto a programme where Ted turns face in time for the Marine 2.

But I hadn't considered the Title bouts are in the HIAC so my theory is out the window!

jaykhunter

DM-ICE wrote: »

HHH and Randy at HIAC where HHH can finally beat Orton for his bad acts.

Tripper beat Orton at WrestleMania, and lost his belt in a tag match at Backlash. Orton hasn't beaten Tripper in a one-on-one encounter this year yet!!!

I imagine it'll be Orton/Tripper at HiaC but do we really wanna see another Orton/Tripper match.

Oh, got some trivia for ya :

Can you name a Hell in a Cell match where neither Tripper or Taker is in it?

Bounty Hunter

jaykhunter wrote: »

Tripper beat Orton at WrestleMania, and lost his belt in a tag match at Backlash. Orton hasn't beaten Tripper in a one-on-one encounter this year yet!!!

I imagine it'll be Orton/Tripper at HiaC but do we really wanna see another Orton/Tripper match.

Oh, got some trivia for ya :

Can you name a Hell in a Cell match where neither Tripper or Taker is in it?

ooo i know this one

Kane vs Mick Foley (Mankind)

edit: i feel like i cheated cos i looked this up recently or atleast checked to see if Taker or HHH had competed in every single one (wow i really need to get a life:o)

its the only one

flahavaj

jaykhunter wrote: »

Tripper beat Orton at WrestleMania, and lost his belt in a tag match at Backlash. Orton hasn't beaten Tripper in a one-on-one encounter this year yet!!!

I imagine it'll be Orton/Tripper at HiaC but do we really wanna see another Orton/Tripper match.

Oh, got some trivia for ya :

Can you name a Hell in a Cell match where neither Tripper or Taker is in it?

Dog Kennel from Hell Match: Boss Man Vs Al Snow. EPIC.

PTH2009

i can see CM Punk getting purposly DQ tonight.

John Cena Will Win because i have a feeling theres going to be a face turn in legacy.

Big Show and Y2J will Lose to MVP And Mark Henry

DX will Beat Legacy

Kane will Beat The Great Khaili

Christian will Beat William Regal

Machismo Fan

PTH2009 wrote: »

i can see CM Punk getting purposly DQ tonight.

Can you get DQ'ed in a Submission match though? I agree though there'll be some kind of screw job finish as the timing is nowhere near right to take the title off Punk and his gimmick works a lot better if he's champ, in my opinion.

D.Q

say if Orton wins,

And as is widely assumed, HHH enters the main event scene for HIAC.

where does that leave cena?

Rjd2

DM-ICE wrote: »

HHH and Randy at HIAC where HHH can finally beat Orton for his bad acts.

Has he not done this many times?

michael.etc...

Rjd2 wrote: »

Has he not done this many times?

WWE logic would suggest no... because he lost the title to Orton at Backlash, and has not avenged it in a one-on-one match since.

But i get your point- and i think most of us see it that way, because it feels like Hunter had already beat Orton ten times over, before this year. Then, during the current/most recent feud, he pinned him at Mania, in their first one-on-one of the current series. Again logically, that should have ended the feud. And even in defeat, HHH has generally looked the stronger of the two. Part of it all comes from him being a really unsympathetic babyface.

I think if history tells us anything, it's that Hunter doesn't consider a feud over until he takes it into the cell............

DM_7

Rjd2 wrote: »

Has he not done this many times?

Yes and No

The Yes- He has won matches

The No - Orton is still going around attacking people and HHH said he had to take out Legacy to get to Orton. So from a storyline point of view its not over. The face has to come out on top in the long run and Randy is the one on top now.

I don't want to see Orton v HHH continue but I think its fair to say HHH, as face, has yet to avenge the attacks By Orton the Heel on the McMahons.

dsmythy

If Orton is going to lose to Cena then there is always a chance Legacy could get the win. Shawn Michaels is there to take the loss.

DM_7

dsmythy wrote: »

If Orton is going to lose to Cena then there is always a chance Legacy could get the win. Shawn Michaels is there to take the loss.

Good point HBK is more likely to accept it. I would welcome Shawn v Ted or Cody after Breaking Point.

DM_7

Reminder.

Breaking Point is on at 1am on Sky Sports 2.

The Bull

http://www.prowrestlingscoops.com/article/254885719.php

"The Undertaker was described as moving noticeably slower since making his WWE in-ring return at last weekend's Smackdown/ECW house show events in Puerto Rico. While out, Undertaker had hip surgery and the belief was it would help his movement in the ring. However, those within the company remarked how he still looked to be hurting just as he did before he took time off."

It will be interesting to see how his match against punk goes tonight as above reports hes still in some discomfort.

Bounty Hunter

and we are under way:

tag titles match up first, still think JeriShow well retain but the fact that MVP/Henry continue to wear matching attire does suggest that they may become a long term tag partnership and thus a win here is a real possibility imo.

jossnjuice

anybody watchin live?? (hic!)

jossnjuice

Bounty Hunter wrote: »

a win here is a real possibility imo.

great call, with ya 100%!!

Bounty Hunter

jossnjuice wrote: »

great call, with ya 100%!!

well i did still say that i expect Jerishow to retain but its a possibility alright maybe the heel team will win in dodgy fashion meaning this feud will continue, thus MVP/Henry continuing as a colour co-ordinated team. tbh its a lot for me to read into just based on their clothing.