Oh how i wish my parents were bums and had been living off the state all their lives.

samsemtex

Then i would probably be entitled to a ridiculous amount of social welfare payments. But no, because my parents actually worked hard and set up their own business i get nothing now that i cant find work.

What the **** does my parents income have to do with me getting social welfare? Im 23 yet MY PARENTS have to be means tested in order for MY entitlement to be assessed.

If my parents had been claiming off the state their entire lives id be entitled to everything under the sun but just because they set up their own business and paid huge amounts of taxes into the government im not entitled to anything. Its pure discrimination. This country just gets worse and worse.

Ronan H

samsemtex wrote: »

Its pure discrimination. This country just gets worse and worse.

+1

Euro_Kraut

Are you living with your partents?

WIZE

Do you parents still have there own business

samsemtex

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Are you living with your partents?

Yes. I hope you arent attempting to say this should be relevant. Or that because my parents have lifted the burden from the state of paying for my rent that they should now be lumped with paying for all my expenses.

I just love how the stamps i paid while i worked to put myself through college count for absolutely nothing. Its a real touch of class.

Euro_Kraut

samsemtex wrote: »

Yes. I hope you arent attempting to say this should be relevant. Or that because my parents have lifted the burden from the state of paying for my rent that they should now be lumped with paying for all my expenses.

Of course its relevant. Someone who does not have the luxury of living with Mammy and Daddy are more in need of social welfare than you. You are in a very fortunate position.

By the way, have you actually done the means test yet or are you pissed that you have to do one at all?

samsemtex

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Of course its relevant. Someone who does not have the luxury of living with Mammy and Daddy are more in need of social welfare than you. You are in a very fortunate position.

By the way, have you actually done the means test yet or are you pissed that you have to do one at all?

Why the **** are they more entitled? Im 23, my parents shouldnt be expected to pay for me at all. Their income has nothing to do with what i should be entitled to.

And yes i am pissed off that i have to do this means test at all. Im 23, im not a child and being 23 doesnt qualify me for any benefits as a child/dependant so why should it disqualify me from getting my entitlement?

If i had moved out years ago and started claiming rent allowance id be costing the state an extra €150 a week so my parents are saving the state money by allowing me to live at home. Why should they have to pay for everything i do just because they are kind enough to leave me live here?

gurramok

Sounds like you didnt have enough of stamps.

You're parents can afford to house and feed you, thats what the dole is for, the essentials.

Euro_Kraut

samsemtex wrote: »

Why the **** are they more entitled? Im 23, my parents shouldnt be expected to pay for me at all. Their income has nothing to do with what i should be entitled to.

And yes i am pissed off that i have to do this means test at all. Im 23, im not a child and being 23 doesnt qualify me for any benefits as a child/dependant so why should it disqualify me from getting my entitlement?

If i had moved out years ago and started claiming rent allowance id be costing the state an extra €150 a week so my parents are saving the state money by allowing me to live at home. Why should they have to pay for everything i do just because they are kind enough to leave me live here?

Why do you object to a means test? Thats the fairest way of doing things. The State are giving you money for nothing and you are moaning about a means test. I can't understand that. Fill in the forms. If you are entitled to it than great, if not be glad that you come from a wealthy family.

I presume you are just recently unemployed. In which case you would not be entitled to rent allowance over the past few years. You kind parents have saved you a lot of money over that time (€400 a month over 5 years = €24,000).

Also, I think its a bit disingenuous for you be calling other social welfare receivers 'bums' considered that are currently apply to be a 'bum' yourself.

samsemtex

gurramok wrote: »

Sounds like you didnt have enough of stamps.

You're parents can afford to house and feed you, thats what the dole is for, the essentials.

I know a lad who funded a 5 week break to America off his dole payments, he lives at home, his parents dont work.

I had 38 stamps in 2007, i needed 39. I have loads of stamps over the years but i never had 39 in the one year which is what i needed.

WIZE

Do you parents still have there own business
Im just interested why you don't work in the ''Family Business''

samsemtex

samsemtex wrote: »

I just love how the stamps i paid while i worked to put myself through college count for absolutely nothing. Its a real touch of class.

That's the worst part aint it? When I went in I think I was the only person in the place who'd actually had a job before. I mean over the years I must have paid thousands in prsi but not enough stamps in the tax year cause I was in college.

gurramok

samsemtex wrote: »

I know a lad who funded a 5 week break to America off his dole payments, he lives at home, his parents dont work.

I had 38 stamps in 2007, i needed 39. I have loads of stamps over the years but i never had 39 in the one year which is what i needed.

Which is why the social welfare bill has to be tackled as its far too high with freeloaders abusing it(that lad).

samsemtex

Euro_Kraut wrote: »

Why do you object to a means test? Thats the fairest way of doing things. The State are giving you money for nothing and you are moaning about a means test. I can't understand that. Fill in the forms. If you are entitled to it than great, if not be glad that you come from a wealthy family.

I presume you are just recently unemployed. In which case you would not be entitled to rent allowance over the past few years. You kind parents have saved you a lot of money over that time (€400 a month over 5 years = €24,000).

Also, I think its a bit disingenuous for you be calling other social welfare receivers 'bums' considered that are currently apply to be a 'bum' yourself.

Im not from a wealthy family, im from a family which is above the threshold. My parents also have a lot more expenses than most people and their business has fallen hugely this year compared to last year which is the year they would be means tested on.

As you say they saved me(and the government) money over the last few years and im very grateful for that. So they should be expected to pay for me forever because of that, should they?

fintonie

oooooooooo the generalization BUMS,

I love it were all bums now because you cant get work or social right thanks for that.

samsemtex

BVB wrote: »

Do you parents still have there own business
Im just interested why you don't work in the ''Family Business''

My brother already works for them and they have had to cut him back to 3 days a week. Our employees have just been given amonths holidays because work has fallen off so much this year. That is why im not working for the family business, which let me make clear is quite small anyway and even when we were busy would struggle to sustain me.

Riskymove

samsemtex wrote: »

Im not from a wealthy family, im from a family which is above the threshold.

if your family were millionaires do you think you should get welfare if you were living at home?

Riskymove

if your parents business failed and they had to go on welfare, would they be "bums"?

its clear the main reason you cant get welfare is the fact that you did not have enough stamps, harsh and unlucky

samsemtex

Riskymove wrote: »

if your family were millionaires do you think you should get welfare if you were living at home?

they arent and even if they were i dont necessarily disagree with it. If they were millionaires they would most likely be paying huge amounts of income tax to the government.

What if they parents are very tough and only believe in giving him/her shelter and nothing else? There are plenty of parents i know who dont give their kids a thing other than their living accommodation and make them pay for their share of ESB, gas etc regardless of their own income.

samsemtex

Riskymove wrote: »

if your parents business failed and they had to go on welfare, would they be "bums"?

its clear the main reason you cant get welfare is the fact that you did not have enough stamps, harsh and unlucky

Good point and thanks for bringing it up. No they wouldnt be bums because my parents wouldnt even get welfare because they are self employed and being self employed in Ireland means you are left completely in the ****ter if things go wrong. Despite the fact that it is business people like them who bring in all the money into the economy and employ other people, etc they would get no support at all if the business failed.

And btw im not calling everyone on social welfare a bum but the fact is the ones who have done the least all their lives get the most from it.

Riskymove

samsemtex wrote: »

they arent and even if they were i dont necessarily disagree with it. If they were millionaires they would most likely be paying huge amounts of income tax to the government.

What if they parents are very tough and only believe in giving him/her shelter and nothing else? There are plenty of parents i know who dont give their kids a thing and make them pay for their share of ESB, gas etc regardless of their own income.

so the richer your parents, the more someone should qualify for welfare?

well all I see on boards is how "bums" get everything, houses, holidays etc etc so maybe you should move out and you'll be on the gravy train....no?

Elmo

samsemtex wrote: »

What the **** does my parents income have to do with me getting social welfare? Im 23 yet MY PARENTS have to be means tested in order for MY entitlement to be assessed.

If your parent were bums you wouldn't be going to college, more than likely you would be a bum :rolleyes:

Move out and then you won't have your parents means tested, there is always next year.

Fighting Irish

fuck the bums

Riskymove

samsemtex wrote: »

Good point and thanks for bringing it up. No they wouldnt be bums because my parents wouldnt even get welfare because they are self employed and being self employed in Ireland means you are left completely in the ****ter if things go wrong. Despite the fact that it is business people like them who bring in all the money into the economy and employ other people, etc they would get no support at all if the business failed.

1. theres a lot of protection for business owners if they go bust

2. they may not qualify for some welfare as they are self-employed but they would for other non-contributory schemes

3. you seem to fail to notice the irony that you are giving out about people on welfare when you yourself are trying to get welfare

there has to be some system of criteria otherwise it would be far worse than the present system. once there is criteria there will be those that fail, some who fail by a very small margin and it is harsh

most parents will provide food and shelter for their kids

grahamo

samsemtex wrote: »

Then i would probably be entitled to a ridiculous amount of social welfare payments. But no, because my parents actually worked hard and set up their own business i get nothing now that i cant find work.

Generalising and calling people BUMS isn't going to win anyone over to your way of thinking. Anyone I know on "ridiculous" long term welfare payments live in inner city flats complexes on the breadline. Hardly a comfortable way to exist.

samsemtex wrote: »

What the **** does my parents income have to do with me getting social welfare? Im 23 yet MY PARENTS have to be means tested in order for MY entitlement to be assessed. .

I agree with this, but thats the gov'ts fault, not the fault of the poor.

samsemtex wrote: »

If my parents had been claiming off the state their entire lives id be entitled to everything under the sun but just because they set up their own business and paid huge amounts of taxes into the government im not entitled to anything. Its pure discrimination. This country just gets worse and worse.

That may be so, but you would still have to go through a means test.
your parents have paid a lot in taxes over the years but you haven't, so what gives you the right to call people bums?

gerry28

At 23 your parents have no obligation to feed, cloth or provide a roof over your head anymore. They can choose to.

Get your father to write a strongly worded letter to the social welfare and refuse to provide his income details for assessment.

I was through this years ago and I got the dole then.

You're entitled to some dole... you will not get the full amount. Go to your community welfare officer in the mean time to get SWA payment.

jimzy

thats a bit crazy alright.
but i suppose there are lots of people in your situation, who dont work, and live with mammy and daddy and would like to get the full entitlement.

Its a bull$hit setup. My wife was means tested lately, they took over 100 quid from my wifes payments. We have a large mortgage to pay on basically one wage, and about 100 euro now.

your situation could be worse.
if you feel so bad move out get rent allowance and screw the fluckr$

WIZE

I know nothing about Social welfare but could you apply for Jobseekers allowance?

Elmo

gerry28 wrote: »

I was through this years ago and I got the dole then.

Your entitled to some dole... you will not get the full amount. Go to your community welfare officer in the mean time to get SWA payment.

If he is going back to college? Back to Education Scheme. But the OP is prob one of those people who started school at 5, did TY and left at 19 and is now in their final year of college. *


*not that I spent several more years in college then i should have but I think it is important to make some generalisations

Sorry I thought the OP was looking for something useful now that I read back the OP actually wants to live of the state

rainbowtrout

samsemtex wrote: »

What if they parents are very tough and only believe in giving him/her shelter and nothing else? There are plenty of parents i know who dont give their kids a thing other than their living accommodation and make them pay for their share of ESB, gas etc regardless of their own income.

To be honest I think any parent that would provide a roof over the head of their adult child who wasn't entitled to any social welfare is hardly going to let that child starve.

Lots of people living with their parents contribute to rent, bills, food, washing, they can't support you indefinitely, it's called paying your way.

My brother left college a couple of years ago and at the time couldn't get a job in his area so he applied for social welfare. Because he lived with my parents he was means tested on their income and only got €54 a week. Parents were providing food and shelter. Everything else after that is a luxury despite what you may think. He survived. The dole is for needs, not wants.

samsemtex

jimzy wrote: »

thats a bit crazy alright.
but i suppose there are lots of people in your situation, who dont work, and live with mammy and daddy and would like to get the full entitlement.

Its a bull$hit setup. My wife was means tested lately, they took over 100 quid from my wifes payments. We have a large mortgage to pay on basically one wage, and about 100 euro now.

your situation could be worse.
if you feel so bad move out get rent allowance and screw the fluckr$

That was my plan but you see since June you now need to have been renting for 6months before you can get rent allowance. Since i havent been i cannot get rent allowance and hence cannot move out.

samsemtex

Elmo wrote: »

Sorry I thought the OP was looking for something useful now that I read back the OP actually wants to live of the state

Just read your little bullsh*t comment there. Where do i say i want to live off the state? So me wanting the state to pay me something while i look for a job, which i have been doing almost non-stop since i finished college, is wanting to live off the state?

And yes i would prefer live off the state for the short time that i intend to be doing it, rather than put even more pressure on the people i have been living off for the last 23 years. I have paid plenty of PRSI over the years i just never reached the threshold because i couldn't ever work full time.

I'm 23, why should my parents have to pay for me? If people who live outside the home get rent allowance AND Dole, why shouldnt i get some dole since i dont need the rent allowance?

freedom of info

samsemtex wrote: »

Just read your little bullsh*t comment there. Where do i say i want to live off the state? So me wanting the state to pay me something while i look for a job, which i have been doing almost non-stop since i finished college, is wanting to live off the state?

And yes i would prefer live off the state for the short time that i intend to be doing it, rather than put even more pressure on the people i have been living off for the last 23 years. I have paid plenty of PRSI over the years i just never reached the threshold because i couldn't ever work full time.

I'm 23, why should my parents have to pay for me? If people who live outside the home get rent allowance AND Dole, why shouldnt i get some dole since i dont need the rent allowance?

you should receive something, even a reduced level of dole, unfortunately its not going to happen, i have had similar run ins with some of the deluded on boards, if you are actively seeking work, then you are not a bum.

some people have made social welfare a career move, the rest of us, the vast majority signing on have contributed to this country huge amounts of money, yet we are being scape goated, referred to as freeloaders and bums, my advice to you is this,ignore those who are attempting to goad you,focus on the positive replies, and dont let the bastards grind you down.

johnnyskeleton

samsemtex wrote: »

What the **** does my parents income have to do with me getting social welfare? Im 23 yet MY PARENTS have to be means tested in order for MY entitlement to be assessed.

If my parents had been claiming off the state their entire lives id be entitled to everything under the sun but just because they set up their own business and paid huge amounts of taxes into the government im not entitled to anything. Its pure discrimination. This country just gets worse and worse.

It could be a lot worse. For instance, you could have done like many your age and a little older and left school early to work in the building trade; because you were so quick to enter the work force accept becoming a self employed tradesman rather than an employee; take out a 100% mortgage on a house in the outer suburbs; take out a massive car loan to buy an SUV - all on your €30-35k p.a., for you to suddenly find yourself out of work, unable to pay your mortgage, unable to pay your car loan and unable to claim social welfare.

Then you'd be in trouble. So not getting the dole and not having crippling debts is a lot better than not getting the dole and having crippling debts.

Also, the government are entitled to discriminate as to who gets what from central funds (unfortunately). Unless you are a minority or a political activist I don't think theres anything wrong with them discriminating on that basis.

fintonie

dont let the bastards grind you down ok,

prinz

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

It could be a lot worse. For instance, you could have done like many your age and a little older and left school early to work in the building trade; because you were so quick to enter the work force accept becoming a self employed tradesman rather than an employee; take out a 100% mortgage on a house in the outer suburbs; take out a massive car loan to buy an SUV - all on your €30-35k p.a., for you to suddenly find yourself out of work, unable to pay your mortgage, unable to pay your car loan and unable to claim social welfare...

Then you'd have dug a hole for yourself and nobody owes you anything.
Nobody forced people into any of those decisions.
Tough luck, they made their bed, lie in it. I know plenty in that boat and similar who have spent years taking the piss because I was a schmuck going to college, getting a steady job etc, while they were drinking, partying and holidaying away... couldn't give a toss if they all go to the wall.

jape

Hi,

I'm another with self-employed parents, luckily I have a job now tho but had an "experience" trying to claim the dole.

It makes no sense.

Parents pay the state thousands in income tax., I get nothing.

Social welfare scroungers claim thousands from the state, then THEIR children get thousands too.

Where is the logic??

fintonie

jape wrote: »

Hi,

I'm another with self-employed parents, luckily I have a job now tho but had an "experience" trying to claim the dole.

It makes no sense.

Parents pay the state thousands in income tax., I get nothing.

Social welfare scroungers claim thousands from the state, then THEIR children get thousands too.

Where is the logic??

well I read it and I could not find any.

deadhead13

jape wrote: »

Hi,

I'm another with self-employed parents, luckily I have a job now tho but had an "experience" trying to claim the dole.

It makes no sense.

Parents pay the state thousands in income tax., I get nothing.

Social welfare scroungers claim thousands from the state, then THEIR children get thousands too.

Where is the logic??

After the means test you got nothing?

deadhead13

deadhead13 wrote: »

After the means test you got nothing?

I was told that I would receive nothing from the guy in the SW office when I went in.

Have an interview for ikea coming up, thank ****!

Electric Sheep

samsemtex wrote: »

they arent and even if they were i dont necessarily disagree with it. If they were millionaires they would most likely be paying huge amounts of income tax to the government.

What if they parents are very tough and only believe in giving him/her shelter and nothing else? There are plenty of parents i know who dont give their kids a thing other than their living accommodation and make them pay for their share of ESB, gas etc regardless of their own income.

What if your parents did as many parent expect from their adult children and charged you rent?

Elmo

samsemtex wrote: »

Just read your little bullsh*t comment there. Where do i say i want to live off the state? So me wanting the state to pay me something while i look for a job, which i have been doing almost non-stop since i finished college, is wanting to live off the state?

And yes i would prefer live off the state for the short time that i intend to be doing it, rather than put even more pressure on the people i have been living off for the last 23 years. I have paid plenty of PRSI over the years i just never reached the threshold because i couldn't ever work full time.

I'm 23, why should my parents have to pay for me? If people who live outside the home get rent allowance AND Dole, why shouldnt i get some dole since i dont need the rent allowance?

I am sorry for the semi bull****/sarcastic comment I made, but looking at the title of this thread what did you expect.

Your 23 you have just finished college. I cann't assume what type of jobs you have been looking for in the last few months, perhaps a part time job to get you out of your parents house so that you can then get rent allowance/social welfare in a few months time, I am sure your parent would be happy to support you a little bit during those six months when you have no job/parttime work or no money. (Not that rent allowance or social welfare should be your mission, it should be to get a full time job in your area).

You are right your parents shouldn't support you for the rest of your life, nor should the state (bar Health, Education and certain Infrastructures) and at times when you need money such as now.

You are probable in a very good situation in comparision to many bums out on the street, your probable don't have a drink problem and you possible didn't grow up with parents with drink problems, "bums" as you call them come from getoisation and a cycle of life that during the boom years the government just feed rather than helped.

Also start applying for things your require such as a health card, you may never use it but just in case anything does happen.

prinz

Elmo wrote: »

You are probable in a very good situation in comparision to many bums out on the street, your probable don't have a drink problem and you possible didn't grow up with parents with drink problems, "bums" as you call them come from getoisation and a cycle of life that during the boom years the government just feed rather than helped.

It's that attitude that has the country where it is at the moment... what did the government do for me during the boom? Er nothing. Everyone is so quick to pass the buck here it's unreal. There's no excuse whatsoever in this couuntry to be resigned to a the life of a "bum" just because of where you come from etc. Stop blaming the government that nobody was 'helped' blah blah.

segaBOY

Riskymove wrote: »

1. theres a lot of protection for business owners if they go bust

Such as? Let's just say they are sole traders who went bust, what protection do they exactly have? Just curious

Riskymove wrote: »

2. they may not qualify for some welfare as they are self-employed but they would for other non-contributory schemes

And they are? Job seekers allowance I'm guessing, but if you're crippled from debt from a business that was unlimited (which a lot of small businesses are) and went bust it wouldn't cover anything.

Self-employed pay a higher rate of PAYE and also pay their PRSI (and most of their employee's share), the notion that someone who pays that amount of extra tax AND provides employment should be entitled to little or no social welfare when they go to the wall is nonsensical.

It's almost as if the state want to hinder anyone going out on a limb and setting up a business with the system they have in place (and lets be frank-businesses provide employment for everyone). With the hours you put in, the higher taxes and rates you pay, the current employment laws stacked against you and the lack of welfare you get if you go to the wall you'd wonder why sometimes...

Elmo

prinz wrote: »

It's that attitude that has the country where it is at the moment... what did the government do for me during the boom? Er nothing. Everyone is so quick to pass the buck here it's unreal. There's no excuse whatsoever in this couuntry to be resigned to a the life of a "bum" just because of where you come from etc. Stop blaming the government that nobody was 'helped' blah blah.

That isn't what I said. There was no excuse for people being on Social Welfare during the boom years. But your attitude it the reason why the Government did nothing to improve areas of depravation and allowed gethoistation to occur.

Many of the "bums" that we are talking about didn't have a good family life and their view of the world is completely opposite to how we view the world. And the fundamental problem was that the powers that be in the Government did nothing to try and get them out of this cycle that they got themselves into.

The life and views of someone in an area of deparavation (for want of a better word) allow them to think that there is always someone there to pick up after them and that they should act like their family and friends and their attitude of "well no one else on my street is working, why should I?" etc.

No government in recent time even thought about educating people into thinking differently, rather they increased social welfare for those in long term unemployment without thinking that perhaps this cycle of events in their and their family's lives should stop.

Now we are in a situation where people who have be working in Ireland for the past 10 years and paying Taxes and PRSI are being told that they have to take a cut in their social welfare payments when they are totally entitled to full social welfare for the few months (hopefully) when they are out of work. Those people including the OP are the types of people that will need that help to get them up and running.

The 3% (during the boom years) of the unemployed/unemployable need to be taken out of their cycle/ruts that they find themselves in, and those working and claiming social welfare need to be stopped but the reasons for both of these issues is that the powers/government (DES, DETE, DSF and DHC) did nothing to get these families out of their ruts/views of the world. It isn't just a case of handing out money, you actually have to work hard to make people understand that isn't how the world works.

So I amn't say ah poor them they never got any money, I am saying that society/government let them think the way they do and society/government did nothing to re-educate them in the way of the world. Why? Because it is harder to change someone view than it is to give them money.

Also I am excluding people with physical and mental issues that also need social welfare to help them in their lives.

Alun

samsemtex wrote: »

No they wouldnt be bums because my parents wouldnt even get welfare because they are self employed and being self employed in Ireland means you are left completely in the ****ter if things go wrong.

Nice rant, but I think you'll find that that's the case for self-employed people anywhere, not just Ireland (well, anywhere I've lived at least). That's one of the risks you take when you go self employed, and it's 100% up to you and no one else to make arrangements for when/if times are hard. If you don't pay the relevant PRSI contributions, you can't really expect the benefits.

segaBOY

Remindes me of an owner of a plant hire business on Prime Time

He was forced to let all of his staff go and work 80+ hours himself just to pay the bills. Since it wasn't a Limited company he himself was liable for all debts and had no safety net. Turns out there was court proceedings against him from his creditors because he couldn't pay, he summed it up nicely:

"Not having to get up at 6 in the morning and work until after nine at night, to have your breakfast and dinner provided for and paid for, to have Sky television to watch all day-prison sounds nice to me actually"

:pac:

irish_bob

segaBOY wrote: »

Remindes me of an owner of a plant hire business on Prime Time

He was forced to let all of his staff go and work 80+ hours himself just to pay the bills. Since it wasn't a Limited company he himself was liable for all debts and had no safety net. Turns out there was court proceedings against him from his creditors because he couldn't pay, he summed it up nicely:

"Not having to get up at 6 in the morning and work until after nine at night, to have your breakfast and dinner provided for and paid for, to have Sky television to watch all day-prison sounds nice to me actually"

:pac:

private sector workers from middle ireland like this man have no voice at table talks , lifers on the dole on the other hand have plenty to speak for them , such is the strength of irelands poverty industry , not a week passes but vincent browne has someone from the poverty industry on his tv 3 show and not a night passes without the dalkey barrister droning on about how unequal our society is

fintonie

irish_bob wrote: »

private sector workers from middle ireland like this man have no voice at table talks , lifers on the dole on the other hand have plenty to speak for them , such is the strength of irelands poverty industry , not a week passes but vincent browne has someone from the poverty industry on his tv 3 show and not a night passes without the dalkey barrister droning on about how unequal our society is

I agree with you,

only for him there are a lot of issues would get swept under the carpet,

more debate is needed.

segaBOY

irish_bob wrote: »

private sector workers from middle ireland like this man have no voice at table talks , lifers on the dole on the other hand have plenty to speak for them , such is the strength of irelands poverty industry , not a week passes but vincent browne has someone from the poverty industry on his tv 3 show and not a night passes without the dalkey barrister droning on about how unequal our society is

It's an industry in itself. All rent allowance payments go somewhere-I know a guy who lives on the payments he receives for housing refugees (lets not go there, not part of this thread just making a point his payments are from the Department of Family and Social Affairs) he has shown me the cheque he gets-they are quite handsome. He does a bit of horse training on the side-also tax free a la Irish Government policy.

Vested interest is everywhere-and even though masses are claiming over generous social welfare at our expense someone with friends in the Government is sure to be benifiting from it and certainly wants it to stay that way.

jedbartlet

segaBOY wrote: »

It's an industry in itself. All rent allowance payments go somewhere-I know a guy who lives on the payments he receives for housing refugees (lets not go there, not part of this thread just making a point his payments are from the Department of Family and Social Affairs) he has shown me the cheque he gets-they are quite handsome. .

.

Why can we not go there? thats the problem. I dont understand why we are pushing 12% unemployment with a non national populatin of the same ammount! I am not saying get rid of anyone, but if the SW payments were not as easy handed out to this section of the population maybe their would be a balancing off a bit? but what do i know!