Fast sporty car for under €8k?

Atomic Pineapple

I need some definite options for a new car.

I have an offer on the Integra and am looking to try something different.

Cars I'm currently looking at are

95 FD Rx7



98 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo V



99 Subaru Impreza Sti



Just wondering what other options would be out there as I'm not exactly sure what I want at the minute and want to cover all avenues.

Looking for a car different to the Integra, same sort of power or more, decent looks and handling.

Would like to keep it under 2 litres, can be turbo or n/a, FWD, RWD or AWD.

I'm open to all ideas now from Hatchback type cars through to saloon type cars through to turbo AWD drive cars.

Looking for something clean and nicely minded, budget €7000, will push to €8000 for something clean.

So if you were in my position what would you buy?

ronnie3585

I'd go for the Scooby. Really like that 22B body and the burble of the flat four.

robtri

A focus ST would come to mind...
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Ford/Focus-ST/2.0/200929194647619/advert?channel=CARS
not bad a 2003 focus for your budget

or Honda Accord Eur-R great mileage on this, 2001 with around 220bhp iirc
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Honda/Accord/EURO---R/200915192420424/advert?channel=CARS

slighty different... Saab 9-3 2.0T 210BHP convertible
http://www.carzone.ie/search/Saab/9-3/2.0T-Cab/200922192956136/advert?channel=CARS

.Longshanks.

^That ST above isn't even playing in the same stadium as the OP suggestions.
My vote would be for the Impreza Sti

robtri

Longshanks100 wrote: »

^That ST above isn't even playing in the same stadium as the OP suggestions.
My vote would be for the Impreza Sti

he asked for fast sporty cars, not a car to rival the STI.... just giving options...

znv6i3h7kqf9ys

Push the boat out to 3ltr and get an M3. Will hold it's value also when you consider they cost over 100k new

smash

Buy my GTV, bring it to Autodelta and get a 3.4 supercharged engine lumped in it with RWD conversion...

Nissan 200sx

Biro

Chance the RX7 - be different! Make sure it's minded though.
On another note, I can't understand how anyone would buy the Euro R. It's one of the most ugly saloons on the road, and the UK model Accord Type R has the same engine, and looks way better, and easier to find an unabused example.

smcgiff

RX7 by a country mile - the other two are too Fugly

--Kaiser--

I'd say Scooby STi.....that said, all 3 will break your heart with service costs/intervals

Atomic Pineapple

robtri wrote: »

he asked for fast sporty cars, not a car to rival the STI.... just giving options...

Yeh, I am open to any suggestions really anything from a nice Civic Type R someone might have to a cheap Focus ST to Turbo RWD or AWD cars, I'm trying to be very open about what I want as a next car and I'd like to consider all possibilities from getting a nice clean reliable N/A car to getting a turbo car that might be expensive to run, I'm unsure as to which I want to go for so am looking for nice examples of anything remotely fast but livable with on a daily basis.

Keith White Radiologist wrote: »

Push the boat out to 3ltr and get an M3. Will hold it's value also when you consider they cost over 100k new

I had been looking at them but owning one for some reson just scares me, I think its the servicing and cost!

RoverJames wrote: »

Nissan 200sx

Had looked at them too but nice examples seem few and far between and expensive when they do show up, link any nice ones you know of if you can.

Biro wrote: »

Chance the RX7 - be different! Make sure it's minded though.
On another note, I can't understand how anyone would buy the Euro R. It's one of the most ugly saloons on the road, and the UK model Accord Type R has the same engine, and looks way better, and easier to find an unabused example.

smcgiff wrote: »

RX7 by a country mile - the other two are too Fugly

The Rx7 is my fav at the minute and the one I posted is for sale in a Rotary specialists place and I plan to view it this week, me being picky though I dont really like moving so far down the years and also insurance crowd are being a pain in the ass about insurance on an Rx7.

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

I'd say Scooby STi.....that said, all 3 will break your heart with service costs/intervals

After a lot of reading on the Rx7 the servicing isn't too bad, not compared with the STi or the Evo V anyway, the major thing though is the rotor tip wear and need for an engine rebuild.

Keep the opinions and suggestions coming, links to nice cars for sale always helpful and appreciated

Cyrus

Keith White Radiologist wrote: »

Push the boat out to 3ltr and get an M3. Will hold it's value also when you consider they cost over 100k new

are you talking about the e36? wont get an e46 for that money

Atomic Pineapple

Cyrus wrote: »

are you talking about the e36? wont get an e46 for that money

yep,

I'd love this one but its €2k more than i have and in a dealers

smash

Cheap M3 http://www.octane.ie/ads/car.php?id=5500

TestTransmission

draffodx wrote: »

Yeh, I am open to any suggestions really anything from a nice Civic Type R someone might have to a cheap Focus ST to Turbo RWD or AWD cars, I'm trying to be very open about what I want as a next car and I'd like to consider all possibilities from getting a nice clean reliable N/A car to getting a turbo car that might be expensive to run, I'm unsure as to which I want to go for so am looking for nice examples of anything remotely fast but livable with on a daily basis.


Keep the opinions and suggestions coming, links to nice cars for sale always helpful and appreciated

Yes,I know im biased :pac:

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Skoda/Octavia/1.8T-VRS/200914192356896/advert?channel=CARS


That specific Octavia has been up a few good months,dealer could be open to a deal

qz

I'd go for the RX7, rare!

cojomo2

i used to own the 2.0 version, I have driven the 2.2vti, different machine totally, not superfast, but circa 200bhp anyway, very nice looking too and not too expensive.

pablosd

for handling and general reliability evo 5 would be a way to go, serious performer and looks a bit more fresh than scooby pig on juice thou!!
i really like the rx7 tbh but because people put wrong oil in them they have to be rebuilt every now and then, rotary engines are not made for syntethic oil like most other performance cars even thou it is the best type of oil its not good for that type of engine , dats why u see in most ads, rebuilt xxxxx km ago,

rx7 +1

Graham_B18C

Cojomo, Can't see him going from a Teg R to a Prelude...But the rx7 gets my vote anyways...or the Scooby!

Draffodx, the rx you're looking at, is it that exact red one? Thats a seriously good looking car!

Bridey6189

hey i'm looking for a cheap car for under 5k, don't need anything too big or fast, 5 door preferably, something reliable don't mind going down in the years anyone got any suggestions? Dont really want to go to a garage cos I'd get it cheaper privately

Graham_B18C

Bridey6189 wrote: »

hey i'm looking for a cheap car for under 5k, don't need anything too big or fast, 5 door preferably, something reliable don't mind going down in the years anyone got any suggestions? Dont really want to go to a garage cos I'd get it cheaper privately

Hijacker!

Yer obviously new round here, best bet is to make a new thread with a bit more info in the Motors forum

smash

Bridey6189 wrote: »

hey i'm looking for a cheap car for under 5k, don't need anything too big or fast, 5 door preferably, something reliable don't mind going down in the years anyone got any suggestions? Dont really want to go to a garage cos I'd get it cheaper privately

judging by your criteria... this is the wrong thread.

cojomo2

Grahamo999 wrote: »

Cojomo, Can't see him going from a Teg R to a Prelude...But the rx7 gets my vote anyways...or the Scooby!

Draffodx, the rx you're looking at, is it that exact red one? Thats a seriously good looking car!

ups , yep, sorry didn't realise he had an integra..

cojomo2

Grahamo999 wrote: »

Cojomo, Can't see him going from a Teg R to a Prelude...But the rx7 gets my vote anyways...or the Scooby!

Draffodx, the rx you're looking at, is it that exact red one? Thats a seriously good looking car!

Grahamo, you arnt by any chance from ballinteer/dundrum area?

Graham_B18C

cojomo2 wrote: »

Grahamo, you arnt by any chance from ballinteer/dundrum area?

Nah man, Northsider through and through!

Atomic Pineapple

jackncoke wrote: »

Yes,I know im biased :pac:

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Skoda/Octavia/1.8T-VRS/200914192356896/advert?channel=CARS


That specific Octavia has been up a few good months,dealer could be open to a deal

Yeh the octavia vrs is a car I had looked into and is definite possibly, thanks for the link, I'll hope to get a look at it during the week.

pablosd wrote: »

for handling and general reliability evo 5 would be a way to go, serious performer and looks a bit more fresh than scooby pig on juice thou!!
i really like the rx7 tbh but because people put wrong oil in them they have to be rebuilt every now and then, rotary engines are not made for syntethic oil like most other performance cars even thou it is the best type of oil its not good for that type of engine , dats why u see in most ads, rebuilt xxxxx km ago,

rx7 +1

Yeh the Evo V would be what I'd favour over the STi but petrol costs as well as the massive servicing costs with the AYC are a real put off.

The Rx7 I'd be looking at is with Eddie Doyle at the minute, hes an Rx7 specialist so it should be in good shape.

Grahamo999 wrote: »

Cojomo, Can't see him going from a Teg R to a Prelude...But the rx7 gets my vote anyways...or the Scooby!

Draffodx, the rx you're looking at, is it that exact red one? Thats a seriously good looking car!

Yep that exact red one is in Bray, was meant to tip down tomorrow to look at it but I got an interview for tomorrow now so will head down Thursday.

cojomo2 wrote: »

ups , yep, sorry didn't realise he had an integra..

No worries, I'm open to all ideas thrown out there, the Prelude is lovely but would be too hard to shift on in the future

Graham_B18C

draffodx wrote: »

Yep that exact red one is in Bray, was meant to tip down tomorrow to look at it but I got an interview for tomorrow now so will head down Thursday.

Jesus its beautiful...you ARE gonna want it after bein in it!

Atomic Pineapple

Grahamo999 wrote: »

Jesus its beautiful...you ARE gonna want it after bein in it!

Yeh, I dont like the seats in it though, I might just swap them with the ones in the Integra

Graham_B18C

draffodx wrote: »

Yeh, I dont like the seats in it though, I might just swap them with the ones in the Integra

Ha..ha....hah.. ...!

tuxy

If you get the rx7 will it be a daily driver?
They get about 15 mpg right?

Atomic Pineapple

tuxy wrote: »

If you get the rx7 will it be a daily driver?
They get about 15 mpg right?

It will be for awhile, standard ones over on IrishRotary have been getting low to mid twenties MPG during normal driving and 16 - 18 MPG when pushing it hard.

I reckon I should have a daily driver along with it in 3 months

tuxy

Oh that's not bad MPG.
Strange how it is better then what many report with the rx8.
Is a rotary engine more efficient with a turbo?

Atomic Pineapple

tuxy wrote: »

Oh that's not bad MPG.
Strange how it is better then what many report with the rx8.
Is a rotary engine more efficient with a turbo?

Not sure to be honest but yeh even on IrishRotary the Rx8 owners have reported dire MPG compared to some of the Rx7 owners.

It could be that the turbo gives the Rx7 more low down grunt whereas the Rx8 revs very high for the power

pablosd

draffodx wrote: »

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The Rx7 I'd be looking at is with Eddie Doyle at the minute, hes an Rx7 specialist so it should be in good shape.

i wouldnt have it any other way

pablosd

found this on one of the websites, might interest you in case u were going for an rx7


it's the apex seals that need replacing all the time, and that's because people don't warm them up properly before thrashing them. This is a particular problem as the rotor and the rotor housing are made of different materials (cast and alloy ), so the difference in expansion rates mean that there is a window when the rotor is fully expanded before the housing. also people do short trips in them, not letting the engine hit proper operating temp for long enough, which allow carbon deposites to build up, jamming the seal, and damaging them next start up. They tend to be thrashed, because of the nature of the car, and because they are so smooth, and the power delivery is so seamless, they also tend to be over revved. if your rotory is going to see over 8000rpm on a regular basis, you need to put in carbon apex seals, as engine speeds that high deform the standard ones.

they also don't keep a good look on the oil and the oil feed assembly. as said above, they burn oil. this isn't a problem like it is in reciprocating (read regular) engines, because mazda designed them to inject a small amount of engine oil into the combustion chamber (dribbled in through the carbie in early models, not sure about in later models), to lubricate the apex seals. this was done to save the owners having to use 2 stroke fuel in them.

only start it when your going to drive it long enough for it to sit on operating temperature for longer than a minute, don't drive it hard when it's cold, and keep an eye on the oil pressure and level, and you won't have to rebuild it that often.

drive one and you'll become addicted to the elastic band like power delivery. hey where else do you get V8 performance from a 1.3 litre engine?

Atomic Pineapple

Thanks Pablosd, I have already read most of the material on them and know about the issues and how to look after them.

Any other suggestions out there? Bearing in the mind the suggestion doesn't have to be a competitor to the cars I have mentioned, just has to have a bit of poke, be very nice and clean and be under €8k.

I'm looking for value for money sporty type cars, they dont have be necessarily better than my current Integra either.

Graham_B18C

Well how'd the test drives go...?

Beta Ray Bill

Scooby and Rex have soft engines

they will blow up and some point especially considering their age.

A well looked after Evo will go for ever.

I own an Evo V. It's a quality machine. You could possibly get a VI for that kind of money now though mate

jame5_b

this looks nice for the money.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/947519

Atomic Pineapple

Grahamo999 wrote: »

Well how'd the test drives go...?

Not great, I didn't get down to Bray to see the Rx7 yet.

I've only managed to test drive a couple of UK spec Ep3's (03 Civic Type R) and they were very disappointing compared to the teg.

I hope to get down to Bray tomorrow and going to look at a stunning Rx7 on Saturday.

If I could get that red Rx7 for between €7 and €7500 I'll probably take it, its for sale at €8900.

Can I ask how you got that quote off Quinn did you use the 3 refusals letter route? There really annoying me with quotes for the Rx7.

grahambo wrote: »

Scooby and Rex have soft engines

they will blow up and some point especially considering their age.

A well looked after Evo will go for ever.

I own an Evo V. It's a quality machine. You could possibly get a VI for that kind of money now though mate

Yeh, friends and family have had blown Subaru engines and thats a major worry for me, I'm not too worried about the Rx7 engine, there not actually soft as such its just that the rotor tips wear out over time and people are unaware of how to service and look after them.

The Evo V is very nice but the massive service cost every 4-5k is very off putting, having to get the AYC serviced is a big put off.

jame5_b wrote: »

this looks nice for the money.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/947519

My cousin has one of them and he had it one the road about 30 days before the engine blew, its been "getting fixed" for over a year now so no thanks!

Graham_B18C

I literally rang up to tell em I wasn't going to be renewing with them and she asked why, I told her I wanted a Teg and was getting one soon she said oh well you need to be 30 with a full licence, I just said well I'm nowhere near 30 and she said ok i'll cancel the renewal for ya now.

She rang me back 5 mins later and said that her supervisor wanted to keep me as a coustomer and quoted me! But its probably risky if ya aint actually gonna cancel the policy! If you ring em and tell em you've just bought it and need the policy NOW they will quote you i reckon, just ring em on sat if you like the rx and tell em that.

Atomic Pineapple

Grahamo999 wrote: »

I literally rang up to tell em I wasn't going to be renewing with them and she asked why, I told her I wanted a Teg and was getting one soon she said oh well you need to be 30 with a full licence, I just said well I'm nowhere near 30 and she said ok i'll cancel the renewal for ya now.

She rang me back 5 mins later and said that her supervisor wanted to keep me as a coustomer and quoted me! But its probably risky if ya aint actually gonna cancel the policy! If you ring em and tell em you've just bought it and need the policy NOW they will quote you i reckon, just ring em on sat if you like the rx and tell em that.

Cheers, I reckon I'll call into them and ask to speak to a supervisor or manager directly

Graham_B18C

draffodx wrote: »

Cheers, I reckon I'll call into them and ask to speak to a supervisor or manager directly

Be a good idea, you're 26, to be honest you shouldn't have trouble getting insured on anything. I reckon they'll take into account the fact that you had a type r too so its not like you're hoppin straight out of a Focus into a RX7!!!

Max Headroom

If its a rex you're after, things to consider, Deffo has to have an NCT..has the car been modified, i'd stay clear of over-modified ones ,they tend to be thrashed, lowered with coilovers means a very harsh ride resulting in worn bushings and badly fitted bodykits falling off and general bang's and rattles even on good roads..THEY MUST BE REMAPPED for our crappy fuel..,get a compression test before you part with your money.A dealer probably wont know how to do one properly.Theres plenty for sale at the moment , imo they seem to have lost their appeal to owners, due to the mpg and the cost of juice i suspect..You either love or hate them, if you hate them you've been listening to too many horror stories ..;)..engine rebuilds are cheaper here than UK...i've seen cars with 100k on the original engine..Have you considered a FC convertible..lovely car ..

Atomic Pineapple

Grahamo999 wrote: »

Be a good idea, you're 26, to be honest you shouldn't have trouble getting insured on anything. I reckon they'll take into account the fact that you had a type r too so its not like you're hoppin straight out of a Focus into a RX7!!!

Its a bit of a joke alright.

Max Headroom wrote: »

If its a rex you're after, things to consider, Deffo has to have an NCT..has the car been modified, i'd stay clear of over-modified ones ,they tend to be thrashed, lowered with coilovers means a very harsh ride resulting in worn bushings and badly fitted bodykits falling off and general bang's and rattles even on good roads..THEY MUST BE REMAPPED for our crappy fuel..,get a compression test before you part with your money.A dealer probably wont know how to do one properly.Theres plenty for sale at the moment , imo they seem to have lost their appeal to owners, due to the mpg and the cost of juice i suspect..You either love or hate them, if you hate them you've been listening to too many horror stories ..;)..engine rebuilds are cheaper here than UK...i've seencars with100k on the original engine..Have you considered a FC convertible..lovely car ..

Both Rx7's I'm looking at have very good compression figures with rebuild history, both only have different different but oem style front bumpers no other bodykit parts, one has a power fc in it but I'm not sure about the other.

The FC is too old for me, I'll need to Rx7 as a daily driver for a few months at least.

bumble1

my neighbour bought a 2002 subaru sti with 295bhp for 8500 last month lovely car

Absurdum

get the RX7, it's beautiful

Atomic Pineapple

bumble1 wrote: »

my neighbour bought a 2002 subaru sti with 295bhp for 8500 last month lovely car

Link?

bumble1

it isnt on a website he has it more than a month at this stage it is a stunner i am sure there is more for that money

Atomic Pineapple

bumble1 wrote: »

it isnt on a website he has it more than a month at this stage it is a stunner i am sure there is more for that money

ah right i'm sorry i misread your post i thought you meant he has it for sale