First new regs of 1987

carchaeologist

I just did a quick survey on the first cars registered in 1987 to see how many were left on the road/when were they last taxed/what has been scrapped..the results are below..
REG CAR LAST TAXED
87C1----Ford Granada ----Aug01
87CE1-- Suzuki Swift ----Dec99
87CN1-- Toyota Corolla --Jun 97 Scrapped
87CW1---BMW 3 series --Feb 08
87D1--- Peugeot 205

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Mar 00
87DL1--- Renault 21

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Nov 97
97G1--- Peugeot 205

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Apr 99
87KE1---Ford Truck

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Oct 01 Scrapped
87KK1-- Seat Ibiza

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Jun 97
87KY1-- Renault 21

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Mar 98 Scrapped
87L1----Opel Kadett 1.2---- Sept 00
87LD1---Opel Omega

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Nov 98
87LH1---Peuget 505 2.0---- Apr 98
87LK1---Toyota Starlet

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Sept 98
87LM1---Peougeot 205

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Mar 97
87LS1---Austin montego---- Aug 97
87MH1---VW Jetta

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Jan 99
87MN1---VW Golf van

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Feb 99
87MO1---Citroen BX

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May97
87OY1----Citroen BX

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Apr 00 Scrapped
87RN1----Toyota Hiace

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Feb 06
87SO1----Toyota Carina

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Dec 97
87TN1----Toyota Starlet

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Dec 04
87TS1----Fiat Regatta

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Jul 95
87W1

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Toyota Starlet

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Jul 01
87WD1----Nissan Sunny

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Jul 99 Scrapped
87WH1----Mazda 626

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Jan 00 Scrapped
87WW1---Opel Ascona

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Oct 95
87WX1---Toyota Celica

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Jul 01

I was quite surprised at the result,of the 29,not one is taxed for the road at present,18 were last taxed before 2000,mainly in 97,98 and 99,6 are listed as officially scrapped and apart from CW(08),RN(06) and TN(04),the rest were last taxed in 00/01,presumably due to the NCT.

I though there would be at least one or two still on the road,i suppose 1987 is 22 years ago though...

245

It is surprising but then most of them are run of the mill cars that'd have had a hard later life.

I'd bet that a similar survey, if possible, in the UK would have had more survivors.

I'm also surprised that 87 D 1 wasn't nabbed for the Lord Mayor - must have been before all that started.

carchaeologist

245 wrote: »

I'm also surprised that 87 D 1 wasn't nabbed for the Lord Mayor - must have been before all that started.

Yes,thats only a recent thing.

It is surprising but then most of them are run of the mill cars that'd have had a hard later life.

Very true,but i thought someone would have kep hold of 87D1,i know its a boring old 205,but its still the first reg of the new series.

Max_Damage

Where did you get the details of when they were scrapped?

carchaeologist

Max_Damage wrote: »

Where did you get the details of when they were scrapped?

I didnt get details of when they were scrapped,just that they were.

junkyard

87C1 was the Lord Mayors car in Cork, supplied by Fords. I repaired that car before he got it, a slight altercation with a wall iirc. I had a Lancia Thema Turbo ie a few years back and it was 88WX1. I remember seeing a Sierra with the reg number SI1, what a waste of a number that was, it should have been on something valuable at least.

Whosbetter?

I came very close to buying 87 CW1 back in '98.
Twas a white BMW 316 alright.
Went for a test drive in it and all.
Almost considered it for the reg alone.
£2000 was the asking price IIRC.

Wound up buying a '90 318i shortly after.
Worst car I ever had!!

Anyhoo, I reckon 87 CW 1 is still around alright.
I saw it about a year ago at a filling station near me.:)

carchaeologist

junkyard wrote: »

87C1 was the Lord Mayors car in Cork, supplied by Fords. I repaired that car before he got it, a slight altercation with a wall iirc. I had a Lancia Thema Turbo ie a few years back and it was 88WX1. I remember seeing a Sierra with the reg number SI1, what a waste of a number that was, it should have been on something valuable at least.

That sierra hasnt been taxed since september 1995.A waste of a nice plate indeed.

manta mad

i remember that 87 cw 1 !!!!!!!!!

white bmw , an elderly fella ( large man ) :rolleyes:
used to own it .

used to be serviced in moores old garage if i remember it right .

Camarague

Where do you get all this information?

Cartell doesn't give you this much information unless you pay

VolvoMan

245 wrote: »

I'd bet that a similar survey, if possible, in the UK would have had more survivors.

You would think so but judging by the amount of cars I have researched on DVLA's website it is not the case. I'd say cars in the UK and Ireland have the shortest life out of any country in Europe, which could possibly be put down to plate snobbery.

I'm also surprised that 87 D 1 wasn't nabbed for the Lord Mayor - must have been before all that started.

I don't know about the Lord Mayor's car of '87, but in '88 they had a BMW 730i registered 88-D-1000 to mark Dublin's millennium and in '89 a Volvo 760 registered 89-D-1001. It was not until 1990 when the Lord Mayor started receiving the first registration of the county, usually on a flagship Volvo until recent years.

From my research of the Lord Mayor's cars from 1990-99, only a few are still taxed on the road today, with the rest being presumably scrapped. The above cars that were registered prior to that and do not carry the first registration of Dublin haven't been taxed for a long time either according to the database.:(

G Luxel

I do remember when it was announced on the news about the new registrations. There was a Priest interviewed who had 87 D 1 which was a red 2 door Volkswagen Jetta registered in .............October 1986???? They even showed the car with the plate..... or was it 86 D 1??? Does anyone know?

VolvoMan

G Luxel wrote: »

I do remember when it was announced on the news about the new registrations. There was a Priest interviewed who had 87 D 1 which was a red 2 door Volkswagen Jetta registered in .............October 1986???? They even showed the car with the plate..... or was it 86 D 1??? Does anyone know?

87-D-1 was on a Peugeot 205 that apparently used to be quite local to me.

Thinkingaboutit

VolvoMan wrote: »

You would think so but judging by the amount of cars I have researched on DVLA's website it is not the case. I'd say cars in the UK and Ireland have the shortest life out of any country in Europe, which could possibly be put down to plate snobbery.



I don't know about the Lord Mayor's car of '87, but in '88 they had a BMW 730i registered 88-D-1000 to mark Dublin's millennium and in '89 a Volvo 760 registered 89-D-1001. It was not until 1990 when the Lord Mayor started receiving the first registration of the county, usually on a flagship Volvo until recent years.

From my research of the Lord Mayor's cars from 1990-99, only a few are still taxed on the road today, with the rest being presumably scrapped. The above cars that were registered prior to that and do not carry the first registration of Dublin haven't been taxed for a long time either according to the database.:(

I saw one a Volvo with a some year-D-1 at the side of a road in Tallaght. It looked a bit sad.

VolvoMan

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

I saw one a Volvo with a some year-D-1 at the side of a road in Tallaght. It looked a bit sad.

Was this recently? And did it look abandoned by any chance?

bijapos

87 D 1 belonged to a priest alright. It ws in the sunday indo iirc.

88 D 1 was a Hino truck i think , whch I think was funny.

88 D 1000 deffo a 7 series BMW, remember seeing it outside the Mansion House one day when we were let up to the big smoke.

97 D 1 is on a nice looking Volvo 9-series (? maybe a 7-series Volvo) which I saw a couiple of times in the Rathfarnham area a couple of years ago.

06 D 1 on a Vel Satis, also saw it a few times around Rathfarnham. Well cool for a future classic.

2cv

C1 always seems to be a Ford :-)

Max_Damage

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

I saw one a Volvo with a some year-D-1 at the side of a road in Tallaght. It looked a bit sad.

I think I know the one you're talking about. It's a 940 I think.

rainbowtrout

Camarague wrote: »

Where do you get all this information?

Cartell doesn't give you this much information unless you pay

www.mywheels.ie



It's amazing though that the last year they were all taxed/scrapped is fairly consistent. Most of those cars regardless of make all only lasted 10-12 years.

junkyard

2cv wrote: »

C1 always seems to be a Ford :-)

All the C1's are Fords up to recently, Ford, being based in Cork, supplied the Lord Mayors car for years. I don't think they do anymore. There was a black Golf GTI around too 86 C 1, as far as I remember.

MercMad

I'd say the lord mayors' cars get sent down the food chain doing duty a state cars, then probably into the hands of the unmarked garad cars until they are fit for scrap.

Thats what used to happend with all the TD's state cars anyway.

Bitten & Hisses

MercMad wrote: »

I'd say the lord mayors' cars get sent down the food chain doing duty a state cars, then probably into the hands of the unmarked garad cars until they are fit for scrap.

Thats what used to happend with all the TD's state cars anyway.

Back in the mid to late 1990's the TD's mercs were auctioned in Gunne auctions on Sir John Rodgerson's Quay in Dublin. I remember 1987 300D's with approx 100K up on them being sold for around £10K in 1994.

Luke Crowley

rainbowtrout wrote: »

www.mywheels.ie

That's brilliant!

Bitten & Hisses

On that mywheels.ie site, there is a field for "Changed chassis number". Under what legitimate circumstances would this be possible?

carchaeologist

VolvoMan wrote: »

I don't know about the Lord Mayor's car of '87, but in '88 they had a BMW 730i registered 88-D-1000 to mark Dublin's millennium and in '89 a Volvo 760 registered 89-D-1001. It was not until 1990 when the Lord Mayor started receiving the first registration of the county, usually on a flagship Volvo until recent years.

88D1000 comes up as last taxed in Dec 00,it had 9 owners!Wasnt there some controversy about this plate when it was new?
While on the topic of milennium vehicles,Dublin bus re-registered a 1970 Leyland Atlantean as 88D988 (previously 378IK) which was converted to open top and it was painted in a livery with images of Dublin,im sure people will remember this.It was updated in 1991 to reflect Dublins status as european city of culture.It was last taxed october 1997.

Anyone know how they got away with re-registering the bus?

Max_Damage

carchaeologist wrote: »

88D1000 comes up as last taxed in Dec 00,it had 9 owners!Wasnt there some controversy about this plate when it was new?
While on the topic of milennium vehicles,Dublin bus re-registered a 1970 Leyland Atlantean as 88D988 (previously 378IK) which was converted to open top and it was painted in a livery with images of Dublin,im sure people will remember this.It was updated in 1991 to reflect Dublins status as european city of culture.It was last taxed october 1997.

Anyone know how they got away with re-registering the bus?

They also had a GAC KC that was built in 1985, but wasn't registered until 1987 for some bizarre reason. It got an 87-D plate too. Here it is:

corktina

carchaeologist wrote: »

88D1000 comes up as last taxed in Dec 00,it had 9 owners!Wasnt there some controversy about this plate when it was new?
While on the topic of milennium vehicles,Dublin bus re-registered a 1970 Leyland Atlantean as 88D988 (previously 378IK) which was converted to open top and it was painted in a livery with images of Dublin,im sure people will remember this.It was updated in 1991 to reflect Dublins status as european city of culture.It was last taxed october 1997.

Anyone know how they got away with re-registering the bus?

I imagine that the registration had been surrendered and then the vehicle was rescued from the scrap heap to perform a service role, resulting in it having to be registered again. OR it was built up using parts of various vehicles, thus needing a new registration (like the Q reg in the UK

carchaeologist

Max_Damage wrote: »

They also had a GAC KC that was built in 1985, but wasn't registered until 1987 for some bizarre reason. It got an 87-D plate too. Here it is:

According to a book i have that bus(KCS202)was withdrawn from Dublin bus in November 2000,converted for schools use(centre doors removed and repainted) and ended up down here in Kerry,in Dingle as far as i know where it was used for around four years on the school run.
It has been aquired for preservation since and is now again apparently in the dublin area.
KCS202 was the last numerically in its class,but KC173 was the last built.

VolvoMan

bijapos wrote: »

88 D 1000 deffo a 7 series BMW, remember seeing it outside the Mansion House one day when we were let up to the big smoke.

I know a bit of history on that car if anyone wants to know.

97 D 1 is on a nice looking Volvo 9-series (? maybe a 7-series Volvo) which I saw a couiple of times in the Rathfarnham area a couple of years ago.

That's a Volvo 960 2.5 24v. A mate of mine once got talking to the owner of it and I recall him telling me that it had very high mileage at the time. That was a couple of years ago as well.

Sadly, I don't think it's around anymore either after looking it up on that website.

06 D 1 on a Vel Satis, also saw it a few times around Rathfarnham. Well cool for a future classic.

The Lord Mayor's cars were Volvo's from 1989-2003 and then Renault's from 2004-2007.

Max_Damage wrote: »

I think I know the one you're talking about. It's a 940 I think.

It would've been a six cylinder, so it more than likely was a 960. I'd be very interested to know anything more about it. You wouldn't be able to give a ballpark of what year it is would you?

carchaeologist

VolvoMan wrote: »

I know a bit of history on that car if anyone wants to know.

*cough*:)

hiscan

Is there any way of finding out where a car you had years ago is now,for example if you wanted to buy it back?

nowuckenfurries

rainbowtrout wrote: »

www.mywheels.ie



It's amazing though that the last year they were all taxed/scrapped is fairly consistent. Most of those cars regardless of make all only lasted 10-12 years.

Great site, it's showing a car that I wrote off in a ditch last year as being on the road and taxed & not rolled & written off :eek:

Max_Damage

VolvoMan wrote: »

It would've been a six cylinder, so it more than likely was a 960. I'd be very interested to know anything more about it. You wouldn't be able to give a ballpark of what year it is would you?

It's '93 or '94, sometime around then. I've seen it a few times in Tallaght (around the Greenhills area).

Camarague

A lot of cars of mine from a long time ago are described on mywheels as "Scrapped: No" but have last been taxed years and years ago.

Does this mean that all these cars are still in existence and simply not taxed?

Or does the site fail to realise that these cars have actually been scrapped?

Max_Damage

Camarague wrote: »

A lot of cars of mine from a long time ago are described on mywheels as "Scrapped: No" but have last been taxed years and years ago.

Does this mean that all these cars are still in existence and simply not taxed?

Or does the site fail to realise that these cars have actually been scrapped?

They were probably scrapped by never properly registered as scrapped.

My parent's had an '86 Starlet that we scrapped of on Christmas Eve 1998 (of all dates!). However, it comes up on the site as not being scrapped, although the tax was out the following year.

VolvoMan

Max_Damage wrote: »

It's '93 or '94, sometime around then. I've seen it a few times in Tallaght (around the Greenhills area).

My uncle had '94 and then sold it to a taxi driver. According to that website it hasn't been taxed since September 2006, so it probably isn't it.

I have seen 93-D-1 on the road myself and it doesn't look too bad, so that's probably the one you're talking about.

The mate of mine I was talking about there has 95-D-1 and it's been off the road since he bought it to add to his collection of cars.

VolvoMan

carchaeologist wrote: »

*cough*:)

It started life as Carmencita Hederman's car when she was Lord Mayor and was registered 88-D-1000 to celebrate Dublin's millennium. After its year long term expired it was proving too expensive for the state to lease, so a deal was struck with BK Motors in Drumcondra to supply a flagship Volvo from there on and the arrangement lasted for many more years. The first Volvo supplied was cleverly registered 89-D-1001.

The BMW was thereafter seen around the Blackrock area when it was sold to its second owner and was seen some time up until the early nineties. Its history from in between that period and 1999 is unknown, but it was allegedly bought out of the back of Carroll & Kinsella in that year for a grand by someone on bavarian-board.co.uk and the interior was apparently in a sorry state.

Towards the end of the car's life I think it was then sold on and seen in a garage in Sandycove and then subsequently some place on the Naas Road. The rest is unknown.....

Anyone who knows any more about this car I would be delighted to hear from them.

Max_Damage

VolvoMan wrote: »

Anyone who knows any more about this car I would be delighted to hear from them.

It's probably a tin of beans now!

carchaeologist

This is all the xxD1 regs from 87 upwards..
87D1 peugeot 205(scrapped)Mar00
88D1 Hino truck Apr99
89D1 Leyland DAF travelling machine workshop?? apr10
90D1 Volvo 764 Jul 00
91D1 Volvo 960 Feb00
92D1 Volvo 960 Feb01
93D1 Volvo 960 Sept 09
94D1 Volvo 960 (taxi) Sept 06
95D1 Volvo 960 (taxi) Nov 05
96D1 Volvo 960
97D1 Vovo 960 Dec07
98D1 Volvo 960 Sept 07
99D1 Volvo S80 (written off) Sep09
00D1 Volvo S80 May10
01D1 Volvo S80 (8owners!)Nov 08
02D1 Volvo S80
03D1 Volvo S80
04D1 Renault Velsatis
05D1 Renault Velsatis
06D1 Renault Velsatis
07D1 Renault Espace
08D1 Mercedes E-Class
09D1 Mercedes E-Class
Anything not tagged with a month is currently taxed.

Volvo had a good run of cars there,why the volvo connection?

bijapos

89 D 1 still on the road. Anyone know where it is. Sounds like a council truck.

@ carchaeologist. Volvoman explained the Volvo connection a couple of posts above.

carchaeologist

bijapos wrote: »

89 D 1 still on the road. Anyone know where it is. Sounds like a council truck.

Travelling machine workshop sounds unusual alright.

@ carchaeologist. Volvoman explained the Volvo connection a couple of posts above.

Did BK Motors do a special deal on a new volvo every year so,it lasted 14 yers,thats a long time.

3nero

a couple of my old cars don't show up as scraped and i know why

an alfa romeo 164 was "made to dissapear" somewhere near dublin airport
another alfa 164 was lent to a banger racer:o
and yet another 164 was parked up in a shed that burned down.

my '88 bluebird was blown up by the RUC in belfast :mad:
a talbot solara is under the kilcock bybass (like 6ft under)
a vw beetle is in the now closed local landfill along with a '69 vw van.
a mitzubish galant (mk 1) that was folded into a skip in Naas

i never bothered to report any of them scraped
and i'm sure a lot of people have past cars that they are sure are scraped but never reported them either:rolleyes:

VolvoMan

carchaeologist wrote: »

Did BK Motors do a special deal on a new volvo every year so,it lasted 14 yers,thats a long time.

I think it had something to do with Bertie living across the road from them in Drumcondra. The last Volvo was supplied by Koping because BK had lost the franchise at that stage. Then Royston Brady struck a deal with Bill Cullen to supply a Vel Satis free of charge.

carchaeologist

^Interesting stories there 3Nero!!:D

3nero

carchaeologist wrote: »

^Interesting stories there 3Nero!!:D

thanks
some "details" have been omitted to protect the guilty :P

carchaeologist

VolvoMan wrote: »

I think it had something to do with Bertie living across the road from them in Drumcondra. The last Volvo was supplied by Koping because BK had lost the franchise at that stage. Then Royston Brady struck a deal with Bill Cullen to supply a Vel Satis free of charge.

Some more discussion here...
http://www.politics.ie/dublin/20327-dublin-lord-mayors-car.html

VolvoMan

carchaeologist wrote: »

Some more discussion here...
http://www.politics.ie/dublin/20327-dublin-lord-mayors-car.html

That's from where I sourced a lot of my information. I do happen to know what each car/specification was for most of the years though if anyone wants to know.:o

overdriver

It won't be poverty spec on any of them, that's for sure.

MercMad

AFAIK a car wont be listed as scarpped unless they have a certificate of destruction of record. So if you drove it off a pier or buried it on a farm then it wont say scrapped.Also because the insurance companies didn't share information until recently if they worte off a car a few years back it wont show up.

carchaeologist

MercMad wrote: »

AFAIK a car wont be listed as scarpped unless they have a certificate of destruction of record. So if you drove it off a pier or buried it on a farm then it wont say scrapped.Also because the insurance companies didn't share information until recently if they worte off a car a few years back it wont show up.

Yes,you are right,unless the logbook has been handed in and the car listed as scrapped the file will be open.If it hasnt been taxed for a long time usually its been baled though.Im sure we all have taxbooks lying around that are for long dead cars.

VolvoMan

overdriver wrote: »

It won't be poverty spec on any of them, that's for sure.

Funny you should say that. 96-D-1 was manual, had no alloys, no leather and had windy up windows in the back!