Will Vince ever buy TNA?

PAU · 21-08-2009 5:24pm #1

Just wondered do ye think someday he might buy TNA the same way he bought WCW.

I know WCW was in ruins at the time and Vince only really wanted the tape libary but I can see it happening someday.

Thoughts??

Machismo Fan · 21-08-2009 5:28pm

Vince can't just buy TNA if he feels like it. The only way that he could is if Panda were willing to sell which, considering TNA apparently turn a profit these days, won't be anytime soon.

PAU · 21-08-2009 5:33pm

I know he just can't "buy" it that why I said someday.

Machismo Fan · 21-08-2009 5:36pm

PAU wrote: »

I know he just can't "buy" it that why I said someday.

And I don't think Panda will ever sell TNA. Even if the company goes bankrupt, leeks cash and is closed down, I'd say Panda will keep the rights and the video library as there is potential money in DVD releases and they could possibly attempt to relaunch it if they ever wanted to.

21-08-2009 5:40pm

I hope it doesn't happen, "Variety is the spice of life", If all we're getting is WWE how boring is that?

Machismo Fan · 21-08-2009 5:45pm

Deleted User wrote: »

If all we're getting is WWE how boring is that?

Well there's always more than just WWE these days. With the internet, it's much easier to access ROH, PWG, Japanese or Mexican wrestling so you'll never just be limited to WWE. But I do agree that there always needs to be another major North American promotion to rival WWE (but preferably without Vince Russo).

rossie1977 · 21-08-2009 5:45pm

i don't, tna doesn't interest vince, they are not really a competitor like wcw were and not a source of ideas like ecw and heyman were, vince would probably buy tnas tv/ppv catalogue if they went out of business, which i don't think will be anytime soon as they seem to be financially secure for the foreseeable future now that they recently signed a new tv deal

personally i see vince looking at roh before tna

Machismo Fan · 21-08-2009 5:46pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

personally i see vince looking at roh before tna

I would say that Vince would love to have some of ROH's roster on his books and they're a lot more of a realistic target for Vince.

21-08-2009 6:02pm

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Well there's always more than just WWE these days. With the internet, it's much easier to access ROH, PWG, Japanese or Mexican wrestling so you'll never just be limited to WWE. But I do agree that there always needs to be another major North American promotion to rival WWE (but preferably without Vince Russo).

I barely have enough time to watch Smackdown and Impact every week! :eek:

PAU · 21-08-2009 6:10pm

Machismo Fan wrote: »

I would say that Vince would love to have some of ROH's roster on his books and they're a lot more of a realistic target for Vince.

I read today somewhere that Vince is already looking at some ROH guys.

davrho · 21-08-2009 6:15pm

PAU wrote: »

I read today somewhere that Vince is already looking at some ROH guys.

Yes its in pwinsider he is supposed to be after 4 or 5 of their talents.

Not too sure Vince would buy TNA.

Machismo Fan · 21-08-2009 6:19pm

davrho wrote: »

Not too sure Vince would buy TNA.

If Vince was offered the opportunity to buy TNA for a reasonable amount, I'd see very little reason why he wouldn't but I don't think he'll ever be offered that chance.

DM_7 · 21-08-2009 7:09pm

Machismo Fan wrote: »

If Vince was offered the opportunity to buy TNA for a reasonable amount, I'd see very little reason why he wouldn't but I don't think he'll ever be offered that chance.

Are there any reasons he would buy TNA?

Machismo Fan · 21-08-2009 7:11pm

DM-ICE wrote: »

Are there any reasons he would buy TNA?

The brand name and the video library which will allow him to fully complete potential DVD releases.

flahavaj · 21-08-2009 9:16pm

TNA are a mere dot on WWE's horizon. I don't see why Vince would have any interest in buying something that has so little relevance to him or indeed their current audience.

Any word on which ROH talents hes looking at? You'd have to be thinking Claudio is the most obvious one. I thonk Dragon basically has a contract whenever he wants one. I reckon Briscoes are too good not to end up there eventually. Maybe Necro?

Machismo Fan · 21-08-2009 9:18pm

flahavaj wrote: »

TNA are a mere dot on WWE's horizon. I don't see why Vince would have any interest in buying something that has so little relevance to him or indeed their current audience.

I'd think Vince would buy TNA if he ever got the chance purely to feed his own ego.

flahavaj · 21-08-2009 9:19pm

Machismo Fan wrote: »

I'd think Vince would buy TNA if he ever got the chance purely to feed his own ego.

Honestly, I reckon he's barely aware of their existence. The guy is so out of touch its unreal, not to mention arrogant.

rossie1977 · 21-08-2009 9:32pm

flahavaj wrote: »

The guy is so out of touch its unreal, not to mention arrogant.

i remember reading something like that eric bischoff had said circa 1995 :pac:

vince knows they exist alrite, vince i bet keeps track on all his competition, he wouldn't be running such a successful enterprise in a such a fickle business market nearly 30 years later if he didn't; tna guys were banned from entering wwe hotels during mania 24 week even best friends, don't forget the various wwe guys that got suspended for appearing on tv during impacts live debut that same week

flahavaj · 21-08-2009 9:34pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

i remember reading something like that eric bischoff had said circa 1995 :pac:

vince knows they exist alrite, vince i bet keeps track on all his competition, he wouldn't be running such a successful enterprise in a such a fickle business market nearly 30 years later if he didn't; tna guys were banned from entering wwe hotels during mania 24 week even best friends, don't forget the various wwe guys that got suspended for appearing on tv during impacts live debut that same week

They're not competition though is my point, they're a blip on the radar, nothing more.

Vince135792003 · 21-08-2009 10:36pm

Even if he could, the only thing he might be interested in buying would be the tape library if he could get it very cheaply.

chopperbyrne · 21-08-2009 10:44pm

I don't think he would, even if he had the chance.

I think himself and the other higher ups in WWE know that after he acquired WCW the product went downhill for a few years (barring six incredible workers on SD) as without competition there is no need to think outside the box to draw fans.

Vinces biggest competition now is not another pro-wrestling organisation, but the UFC.

Does anyone know offhand if there has been a WWE PPV and a UFC PPV on in the same weekend in the past few years?

flahavaj · 21-08-2009 10:49pm

chopperbyrne wrote: »

Does anyone know offhand if there has been a WWE PPV and a UFC PPV on in the same weekend in the past few years?

Not that I recall. It would make little sense from either point of view.

Vince135792003 · 21-08-2009 11:49pm

flahavaj wrote: »

Not that I recall. It would make little sense from either point of view.

It may have happened a few times. 2 years ago Randy Couture fought on the same weekend as Summerslam.

The Cannibal · 21-08-2009 11:57pm

I think it has been remarked before that Vince regrets killing off the territories and all his major competition, as now there is no place to get talent. All the guys that come to him now are green and need to be put through developmental for a long time before deemed ready.

He tried to remedy this by putting Paul Heyman on the payroll when ECW was around.

I think if TNA go bust he'd buy them, but secretly I think he's probably hoping that they do well but not too well.

Machismo Fan · 22-08-2009 12:05am

The Cannibal wrote: »

I think it has been remarked before that Vince regrets killing off the territories and all his major competition, as now there is no place to get talent. All the guys that come to him now are green and need to be put through developmental for a long time before deemed ready.

He tried to remedy this by putting Paul Heyman on the payroll when ECW was around.

I think if TNA go bust he'd buy them, but secretly I think he's probably hoping that they do well but not too well.

Then why does he end up burying a lot of former TNA talent. As much as many of us may laugh at Braden Walker, Chris Harris is a damn talented guy.

flahavaj · 22-08-2009 12:08am

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Then why does he end up burying a lot of former TNA talent. As much as many of us may laugh at Braden Walker, Chris Harris is a damn talented guy.

In fairness, Harris got what he deserved. He was getting his shot at the bigtime and he showed up fat as a fool.

Vince did the same to a lot of former ECW/WCW guys too, its that famous petty ego rearing its ugly head again I'm afraid.

Machismo Fan · 22-08-2009 12:12am

flahavaj wrote: »

In fairness, Harris got what he deserved. He was getting his shot at the bigtime and he showed up fat as a fool.

Vince did the same to a lot of former ECW/WCW guys too, its that famous petty ego rearing its ugly head again I'm afraid.

I agree but they didn't exactly do anything to motivate Harris (who I've always thought would do pretty decent things in singles). McMahon is an idiot.

flahavaj · 22-08-2009 12:15am

Machismo Fan wrote: »

I agree but they didn't exactly do anything to motivate Harris (who I've always thought would do pretty decent things in singles). McMahon is an idiot.

Getting a shot in WWE should have been motivation in itlself in all fairness. How can the guy expect the creative team or indeed the viewing audience to get behind him when he can't even be bothered to keep himself in decent shape? Harris was the idiot and he has only himself to blame for his embarrassing WWE run.

The Cannibal · 22-08-2009 12:19am

He didn't exactly light the world on fire as a singles in TNA either.

He got over in a tag team, and then when they finally split up AMW they seemed to line him up for a big main event push but it worked out that he wasn't as over in singles as they thought, he couldn't cut a promo to save his life (Storm was better there) and he didn't seem to have the personality to carry himself as a sole babyface.

He was good in the ring and had a decent look but all the extra stuff was lacking. His big push was halted and he ended up moving down the card and feuding with Dustin Rhodes' worst gimmick Black Reign. That feud pretty much killed what was left of his AMW popularity dead.

Monty Brown is probably a better example of someone who could have done well in WWE if given the right push.

Machismo Fan · 22-08-2009 12:22am

flahavaj wrote: »

Getting a shot in WWE should have been motivation in itlself in all fairness. How can the guy expect the creative team or indeed the viewing audience to get behind him when he can't even be bothered to keep himself in decent shape? Harris was the idiot and he has only himself to blame for his embarrassing WWE run.

I agree but he wasn't given any idea of what he was doing (or so he said), was given a stupid name, put in a stupid singlet and was never given an opportunity to show what he can really do in the ring. Plus, Estrada ain't exactly the greatest worker to debut against. But I do agree that the shape he turned up in was criminal.

davrho · 22-08-2009 7:48am

Vince135792003 wrote: »

Even if he could, the only thing he might be interested in buying would be the tape library if he could get it very cheaply.

Even that is doubtfull. He owns wcw and ecw footage and we have had very limited use of their archives. The new wcw dvd and the Starcade release are about the max of it. Yes there are a few matches on wrestler specific dvd's but very little.

I am hoping for tagged classics of wcw and ecw ppv's but just dont see Vince giving the go ahead. I hope this comment comes back and bites me in the ass:).

Vince135792003 · 22-08-2009 9:30am

davrho wrote: »

Even that is doubtfull. He owns wcw and ecw footage and we have had very limited use of their archives. The new wcw dvd and the Starcade release are about the max of it. Yes there are a few matches on wrestler specific dvd's but very little.

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They apparently show alot of both on 24/7 in the US.

The Cannibal · 22-08-2009 1:37pm

He's got a LOT of mileage out of those brands other than just DVD's. Hell, he even gave ECW it's own program on SyFy.

WCW he got the invasion angle, which should have been the biggest angle in history but alas, it wasn't to be. He also picked up 24 free agents at the time. WCW might have even got it's own brand had Booker T and Buff Bagwell not stunk up the joint.

Vince pretty much owns ALL of wrestling history too. I'm sure he'd complete the set if given the chance.

davrho · 23-08-2009 9:36am

The Cannibal wrote: »

He's got a LOT of mileage out of those brands other than just DVD's. Hell, he even gave ECW it's own program on SyFy.

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You reckon the ECW now is comparable to 15 years ago? I would doubt if any original ecw fans would even switch it on. Apart from the name it has nothing in relation to ecw.

What mileage has he got to an irish/uk customer from the video archives? Never seen ecw on wwe classics. A few wcw matches when they highlighted the cruiser weights but thats about that.

chopperbyrne · 23-08-2009 10:23am

ECW is better now than it was originally.

The best part of the original ECW was the few talented wrestlers on their roster who put on great matches each week. The rest of their roster was just freaks and spot monkeys in a series of terrible hardcore matches. If it wasn't for Heymans excellent creative work, nobody would ever have cared about them.

I'd be very happy to see the current ECW get a slightly larger roster and an extension to two hours.

PAU · 23-08-2009 11:10am

chopperbyrne wrote: »

ECW is better now than it was originally.

You can't be serious surely.

chopperbyrne · 23-08-2009 12:10pm

Entirely serious and stop calling me Shirley!

Bonavox · 23-08-2009 12:12pm

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Vince can't just buy TNA if he feels like it. The only way that he could is if Panda were willing to sell which, considering TNA apparently turn a profit these days, won't be anytime soon.

Everyone has a price

. I hope not though! WWE has gone way too commercial and I'd hate to see TNA go like that

Fozzy · 23-08-2009 12:15pm

Bono Vox wrote: »

Everyone has a price . I hope not though! WWE has gone way too commercial and I'd hate to see TNA go like that

Gone too commercial? What, like 26 years ago?

DM_7 · 23-08-2009 12:22pm

Bono Vox wrote: »

Everyone has a price . I hope not though! WWE has gone way too commercial and I'd hate to see TNA go like that

What, TNA are commercial, have you noticed the advertisment in the middle of the ring.

Bonavox · 23-08-2009 12:23pm

Fozzy wrote: »

Gone too commercial? What, like 26 years ago?

True

Still, it's rapidly decreasing in quality in recent years whilst TNA has only been getting better.

Machismo Fan · 23-08-2009 1:42pm

Bono Vox wrote: »

Still, it's rapidly decreasing in quality in recent years whilst TNA has only been getting better.

That's not true. TNA in 2005 and 2006 was three times as good as TNA is today. Even the 2007 PPV's blow TNA's 2009 PPV's out of the water. Hell, even a lot of the weekly PPV's were better than TNA TV and PPV these days and this is coming from a guy that enjoys TNA every week. More big names does not equal a better product.

chopperbyrne · 23-08-2009 2:06pm

The only thing TNA has gotten better at is emulating the fall of WCW.

flahavaj · 23-08-2009 5:08pm

chopperbyrne wrote: »

ECW is better now than it was originally.

The best part of the original ECW was the few talented wrestlers on their roster who put on great matches each week. The rest of their roster was just freaks and spot monkeys in a series of terrible hardcore matches. If it wasn't for Heymans excellent creative work, nobody would ever have cared about them.

I'd be very happy to see the current ECW get a slightly larger roster and an extension to two hours.

I agree. If you watch any old ECW shows now they've aged horribly.

flahavaj · 23-08-2009 5:09pm

Machismo Fan wrote: »

That's not true. TNA in 2005 and 2006 was three times as good as TNA is today. Even the 2007 PPV's blow TNA's 2009 PPV's out of the water. Hell, even a lot of the weekly PPV's were better than TNA TV and PPV these days and this is coming from a guy that enjoys TNA every week. More big names does not equal a better product.

The peak for me was when Joe/Daniel/AJ feud took centre stage.

Machismo Fan · 23-08-2009 5:22pm

flahavaj wrote: »

The peak for me was when Joe/Daniel/AJ feud took centre stage.

Pretty much everything in TNA in 2005 except the heavyweight division (which wasn't that bad, it was just the Jarrett formula) was on fire. Even during that Styles/Daniels/Joe feud, you had more great X-Division action with Sabin, Williams, Shelley, Aries and Strong, Bentley, Shocker, Dutt and even Shark Boy and a great tag division with AMW, The Naturals, Team Canada, Team 3D, Diamonds in the Rough and 3LK.

It was undoubtedly the best period in TNA history and it was mainly due to the focus on the X-Division.

flahavaj · 23-08-2009 5:24pm

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Pretty much everything in TNA in 2005 except the heavyweight division (which wasn't that bad, it was just the Jarrett formula) was on fire. Even during that Styles/Daniels/Joe feud, you had more great X-Division action with Sabin, Williams, Shelley, Aries and Strong, Bentley, Shocker, Dutt and even Shark Boy and a great tag division with AMW, The Naturals, Team Canada, Team 3D, Diamonds in the Rough and 3LK.

It was undoubtedly the best period in TNA history and it was mainly due to the focus on the X-Division.

And the great little resurrection of the X Pac/Jerry Lynn feud.

Machismo Fan · 23-08-2009 5:29pm

flahavaj wrote: »

And the great little resurrection of the X Pac/Jerry Lynn feud.

That proved that X-Pac is a damn fantastic wrestler when he's motivated. In fact, I'm going to watch that match now.

Gerard.C · 23-08-2009 5:32pm

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Pretty much everything in TNA in 2005 except the heavyweight division (which wasn't that bad, it was just the Jarrett formula) was on fire. Even during that Styles/Daniels/Joe feud, you had more great X-Division action with Sabin, Williams, Shelley, Aries and Strong, Bentley, Shocker, Dutt and even Shark Boy and a great tag division with AMW, The Naturals, Team Canada, Team 3D, Diamonds in the Rough and 3LK.

It was undoubtedly the best period in TNA history and it was mainly due to the focus on the X-Division.

The LAX-AJ/Daniels fued was my favourite peroid, god they had some fantastic matches. When Konnan left them, they just wern't the same I thought. And the music they had then was savage!

Machismo Fan · 23-08-2009 5:36pm

Gerard.C wrote: »

The LAX-AJ/Daniels fued was my favourite peroid, god they had some fantastic matches. When Konnan left them, they just wern't the same I thought. And the music they had then was savage!

TNA never got behind them as much as they should have after Konnan left and they turned face. The Six Sides of Steel and Ultimate X matches between Styles/Daniels and LAX are awesome.

flahavaj · 23-08-2009 5:45pm

Machismo Fan wrote: »

That proved that X-Pac is a damn fantastic wrestler when he's motivated. In fact, I'm going to watch that match now.

X Pac is awesome. I can't understand the abuse he gets. He'd be mentioned in the same breath as the best workers in the world if he wasn't such a lazy f*cker.

Will Vince ever buy TNA?

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