Who do you prefer: Week 10 - Kurt Angle vs Jeff Hardy

Gerard.C

Week One - Stone Cold (49) b Ric Flair (5)
Week Two - The Rock (44) b Shawn Michaels (40)
Week Three - The Undertaker (36) drew with Bret Hart (36)
Week Four - Chris Jericho (58) b Rey Mysterio (7)
Week Five - Hulk Hogan (37) drew with Chris Benoit (37)
Week Six - Triple H (32) b John Cena (25)
Week Seven - Randy Savage (30) b Randy Orton (19)
Week Eight - The Dudleyz (35) b The Road Warriors (23)
Week Nine - CM Punk (30) b Samoa Joe (10)

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No time to do a write up. Angle for me for his pre TNA stuff

SlickRic

Hardy, although he's had an incredible year or two, littered with awesome matches with the likes of Punk, Hunter and Edge; and although he has a back catalogue of spot-fests like no other, and a tag-team pedigree which is second to very few...

Angle is one of the very best ever...it's true (sorry, couldn't resist)

No contest for me, and that's no disrespect to Jeff.

He was also involved in pretty much my favourite match of all time...versus HBK at Wrestlemania.

It'd be pointless listing out his achievements too.

DM_7

Argh! Another tough choice.

I will go for Jeff. Jeff worked his way from the bottom to the top. In recent times the man is the best thing about Wrestling for me.

Kurt did it in Amateur wrestling, applied it to pro wrestling and added personality. He has amazing athletic ability.

It has simply come down to preferance and I prefer Jeff.

Machismo Fan

Angle, without a doubt. His stuff in WWE was fantastic and his stuff in TNA is awesome. He even got good matches out of Nash and BG James never mind all his great matches with the likes of Benoit, Jericho, HBK, Rock, Austin, HHH, Lesnar, Edge, Mysterio, Guerrero, 'Taker, Joe, Styles, Jarrett, Lethal, Kaz, Abyss and the many more I'm sure I forgot. Being honest, there are very few non-gimmick matches of Hardy's that have truely blown me away or I can even classify as really great.

orestes

Dammit Ger, I really am starting to think you're an evil genius! Another impossible entertainer -vs- wrestler dilemma!

Jeff is probably my favourite "entertainer" in the history of the industry. Spot-monkey extrordinaire and you just know something nuts is gonna happen when the stage is set and he is any kind of stipulation math where he gets to do something awesome. Not a great technical wrestler by any means (although I've always found his ring work to be pretty solid and under-rated cos of the focus put on his big bumps) but damned enjoyable to watch. I've always been a huge fan of his character, just one of the few wrestlers still going that can actually make me give a crap about him and draw me in. Coming back from the drugs thing and getting to the top and finally getting a title run with 2 strikes against him on wellness says to me the guy has cleaned himself up and gotten his act together and I respect that.

Angle is without a doubt one of, if not the, greatest wrestlers of all time. In his prime he was incredible to watch and had some of the best matches I can remember, not just as one offs, but consistantly over a period of years with pretty much whoever he stepped into the ring with (Eddie, Brock, HBK, Hunter, Benoit, the list goes on and on). His sheer intensity in the ring has always been unbelievable, even though he has paid the price for it in the long run by pretty much destroying his body at this point. If he had retired a few years ago he would go down in hitory as one of the true legends of the business, unfortunately he just looks more and more like he's going to end up as another wrestling tragedy these days.

I'm actually not sure how to vote on this one right now, gonna have to give it some thought.

Handsome Bob

In Jeff you've got someone who is excellent in the ring, but who is lacking on the microphone. Kurt Angle on the other hand is a master of both the ring and of the mic. Angle has this uncanny ability that so few have where he can make you hate him as easily as he can make you love him. I don't think Jeff has that ability. Over the years I have just got more pleasure (shut it) out of watching Kurt do his thing more so than Jeff and that's why I am choosing Angle.

I know I've been valuing ability to talk on the mic very highly in this series but hey, it's not called Sports Entertainment for nothing.

Jolt2007

Angle easily. He's quite a few levels ahead of Jeff in every area imo.

Fozzy

Jolt2007 wrote: »

Angle easily. He's quite a few levels ahead of Jeff in every area imo.

How about in adapting to your opponent? Or telling different stories in your matches?

Machismo Fan

Fozzy wrote: »

How about in adapting to your opponent? Or telling different stories in your matches?

How has Angle not adapted to his opponent? He's had good matches with many people of various styles and sizes. For example, he's had great matches with both Abyss and Rey Mysterio, or Nash and Benoit, all different shapes, sizes and styles but all good matches. And all Hardy's matches centre around whether he'll hit his high spots, he'll either hit them and win or miss, crash and burn and lose. It's the same every time unless they want him to sell a specific injury.

Bounty Hunter

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Angle, without a doubt. His stuff in WWE was fantastic and his stuff in TNA is awesome. He even got good matches out of Nash and BG James never mind all his great matches with the likes of Benoit, Jericho, HBK, Rock, Austin, HHH, Lesnar, Edge, Mysterio, Guerrero, 'Taker, Joe, Styles, Jarrett, Lethal, Kaz, Abyss and the many more I'm sure I forgot. Being honest, there are very few non-gimmick matches of Hardy's that have truely blown me away or I can even classify as really great.

+1

I like Jeff and this past year in particular he has been on the top of his game and will be a massive loss if he does leave after Summerslam but Angle has it all, he is almost a fully rounded pro wrestlers (almost, he could improve his ring psychology or as Fozzy put it adapt his style more so in some matches) and has had some absolutley classic matches aswell as being great on the mic.

Fozzy

Machismo Fan wrote: »

How has Angle not adapted to his opponent? He's had good matches with many people of various styles and sizes. For example, he's had great matches with both Abyss and Rey Mysterio, or Nash and Benoit, all different shapes, sizes and styles but all good matches.

But pretty much all the same match, regardless of the opponent

Machismo Fan

Fozzy wrote: »

But pretty much all the same match, regardless of the opponent

In what way?

gimmick

As with all of these i vote first, then post without reading the other views so as not to have my initial opinion skewed.

This was easier than any for me - Kurt Angle, simply because he has entertained me more than Jeff hardy. I have never had any opinions of Jeff in his entire WWE run good nor bad. I think I "nothing" him. I always found his character either bland or contrived. I do not particularl like him in the ring either. Apart from his usual exciting high risk finishes, i do not see that much in him.

Angle on the other hand has been a great charatcer ever since he first debuted in 1999. he has played a good face and a very versatile heel - a goofy idiot type, to the intense psycho to the preachy 3 Is man. I like his in ring work as well, but am not a huge fan of his selling. Some of his classic feuds roll of the tongue, unlike Hardy who for me still only has Edge as a great opponent. Feuds with Benoit, HHH, Eddie, Jericho, AJ, Joe, hell, he even made a feud with Big Show fun.

Admittedly he has gone quite a bit awry in TNA lately, but I will still watch his segments and matches. I will not do the same with Hardy.

gimmick

orestes wrote: »

Dammit Ger, I really am starting to think you're an evil genius! Another impossible entertainer -vs- wrestler dilemma!

I would not say that at all. I think Angle "crosses the line" very well between the two. Sure he is known probably more for his wrestling, but his entertaining capabilities are better than most. In fact i would say he has more in both areas than Jeff.

Fozzy wrote: »

But pretty much all the same match, regardless of the opponent

In fairness, you could argue that about most fellas. HBK being a prime example.

kyp_durron

I went for Angle. I didn't think about it much, I just went for who stuck out in my head more and that's Kurt.

Poor Jeff is terrible on the mic sometimes, I loved the Edge and Christian critic segment from back in the day, where they look at Matt and Jeff old promos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3vKiSuIbwk

Mr.Nice Guy

This is an easy one. Kurt Angle without a doubt.

A better wrestler, better on the mic and better all round entertainer. Most of Jeff's top matches have been some sort of gimmick match and on the mic he's nowhere near as funny.

Jeff can't play a heel either so he's a bit one dimensional in that regard.

Would be amazed people would pick Jeff over Angle unless they're girls who fancy him or those not old enough to remember what Kurt did for wrestling.

gimmick

There is a school of thought that Angles match psychology sucks to the high heavens. It is not one I would subscribe to myself, but it is there. I would not dismiss the Jeff voters as sweeping as that.

DM_7

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

This is an easy one. Kurt Angle without a doubt.

A better wrestler, better on the mic and better all round entertainer. Most of Jeff's top matches have been some sort of gimmick match and on the mic he's nowhere near as funny.

Jeff can't play a heel either so he's a bit one dimensional in that regard.

Would be amazed people would pick Jeff over Angle unless they're girls who fancy him or those not old enough to remember what Kurt did for wrestling.

:eek:

I just found out I am a 9 year old girl.

** Grabs wallet I mean purse and goes to buy a training bra...

Rjd2

DM-ICE wrote: »

:eek:

I just found out I am a 9 year old girl.

** Grabs wallet I mean purse and goes to buy a training bra...

Me to, PM me to discuss how sexy Cristiano Ronaldo is.

flahavaj

gimmick wrote: »

There is a school of thought that Angles match psychology sucks to the high heavens. It is not one I would subscribe to myself, but it is there. I would not dismiss the Jeff voters as sweeping as that.

I am the principal of that school. Angle irritates me more than any other wrestler in the world.

I'll be voting for Jeff in this one, purely becuse he's not Kurt Angle. Not because I particularly rate Jeff, but because he doesn't annoy me as much as Kurt.

flahavaj

Fozzy wrote: »

How about in adapting to your opponent? Or telling different stories in your matches?

Not to mention making his own set of finishers look weaker than his current grasp on sanity.:pac:

michael.etc...

I voted for Angle, for a number of reasons, even though I'm not a fan of him currently, whereas I've felt Jeff Hardy's been one of the most exciting guys in the business over the past year or two.

Although I appreciate and can understand the criticisms of Angle that Gimmick clarified, I just can't agree with that school of thought. By that logic, we'd be dismissing alot of the innovators in the business from the past twenty years, and almost anyone who has a very recognizable repetoire. What Kurt occasionaly loses in overkill, he more than makes up for with excitement.
Angle's err... learning curve was ridiculously sharp, and he became world-class within literally months of debuting. He's played the consumate heel (something Jeff Hardy's never had the opportunity to do), in a series of different incarnations, and also been a top babyface (sometimes less successfully). His all-round game has always been top-drawer, and he's one of the most unique, and charismatic performers seen in years. That said, he really needs to retire, or drastically reduce his schedule before he becomes another tragedy.

not old enough to remember what Kurt did for wrestling.

I also don't understand this statement. Jeff's been in the business a helluva lot longer than Angle, and been a vital part of WWE television, off and on, for the best part of a decade. When Angle only just broke into the business, Jeff was playing a vital role in re-invigorating tag team wrestling. That reads like a needless insult to those who can see the upside in Jeff as well as Angle.

Jeff gets a rough ride from a lot of people. At the end of the day, he has a natural charisma, that intangible "It" that folks talk about, but hardly anyone has, that enables him to connect to fans naturally, unlike almost any other. Sure, his mic work is often terrible, but it's improved greatly over the past year, and when they've found the right means of using him, it's easily masked.

Kess73

No contest for me. Has to be Angle.

I have switched on the tv in the past to catch matches with Angle in them.

The only effect that Hardy has ever had on me is to reach for the remote control to channel surf.

flahavaj

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Would be amazed people would pick Jeff over Angle unless they're girls who fancy him or those not old enough to remember what Kurt did for wrestling.

Unnecessary tbh. Michael etc said it all really, Jeff's been around a little bit longer than Kurtie.

Mr.Nice Guy

michael.etc... wrote: »

I also don't understand this statement. Jeff's been in the business a helluva lot longer than Angle, and been a vital part of WWE television, off and on, for the best part of a decade. When Angle only just broke into the business, Jeff was playing a vital role in re-invigorating tag team wrestling. That reads like a needless insult to those who can see the upside in Jeff as well as Angle.

Go on to a Youtube video featuring Jeff Hardy and you will find loads of girls most likely under the age of 16 fawning over Jeff and going on about how gorgeous he is. (I can't confirm whether DM-ICE is one of them ) It's a big part of his fanbase, same as with Cena. If he wins this poll I'd attribute it to them tbh.

I don't think it matters greatly if Jeff was in the business more than Kurt, after all many guys were. If anything that fact shows it took Jeff a hell of a lot longer to make it to the top. Angle's rise to prominence on the other hand and the super fast way he adapted to pro wrestling is now legendary. Also let's not forget when Kurt was putting on terrific matches in 2003, Jeff was screwing up his career as he continued to do for years afterwards.

michael.etc wrote:

Jeff gets a rough ride from a lot of people. At the end of the day, he has a natural charisma, that intangible "It" that folks talk about, but hardly anyone has, that enables him to connect to fans naturally, unlike almost any other. Sure, his mic work is often terrible, but it's improved greatly over the past year, and when they've found the right means of using him, it's easily masked.

He does have a charisma but he's still a one-dimensional wrestler with mic skills nowhere near Kurt's level and whose best matches required some sort of gimmick. I was always a big supporter of Jeff and I'm happy to see him enjoying success today but come on, putting him in Angle's league is madness.

I also can't believe the mindset of people knocking Kurt's psychology (I remember having this argument before and I still call it baloney) and yet voting for a guy who has made his career throwing himself through tables! The mind boggles.

flahavaj wrote: »

Unnecessary tbh. Michael etc said it all really, Jeff's been around a little bit longer than Kurtie.

Unnecessary? How am I wrong? Do you think the fans cheering for him today saw himw restle Razor Ramon? Do you think they followed him in TNA? Those fans who followed Jeff over the course of his career would for the most part choose Angle over him, because they saw Kurt achieve in 2 years what Jeff took over a decade to do - become a force.

flahavaj

Your point just came across as a bit of a harsh insult to anyone who might have a personal preference for Jeff over Kurt, that all MNG. I'm with the screaming youngwans on this one.:pac:

michael.etc...

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Go on to a Youtube video featuring Jeff Hardy and you will find loads of girls most likely under the age of 16 fawning over Jeff and going on about how gorgeous he is. (I can't confirm whether DM-ICE is one of them ) It's a big part of his fanbase, same as with Cena. If he wins this poll I'd attribute it to them tbh

Just because many teenage girls are fans of Jeff, doesn't necessarily mean that represents his entire fan base. But this wasn't the part of your original post i questioned anway, it was the suggestion that all of Jeff Hardy's fans are either young girls, or "too young" to remember all of Kurt Angle's contributions. It was something of an insult to those of us who appreciate Hardy. I've been watching this stuff longer than Kurt himself, but I'd call myself a Hardy fan for sure.

I'm not going to disagree with the rest of your post though, because it's just opinion, and i did vote for Angle too.

But what has to be remembered, is that unlike Angle, Jeff doesn't live and breathe wrestling. It's a job he loves to do, but he still goes home, takes time out, and rests his body. In fairness, while i don't condone alot of stuff he's done, and he has made mistakes, i can empathize with his character, especially given that he works for such an employer such as the WWE.

DM_7

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

they saw Kurt achieve in 2 years what Jeff took over a decade to do - become a force.

That isn't exactly true. Kurt was in a pretty good position when he entered WWE after years of competition on amateur wrestling and a gold medal. The gold medal and everything he did to achieve it was a big part in his success.

When Jeff was starting out in his teens within wwf he had no gold medal backing him up.

It took Kurt many years of training and hard work to give him a platform to get where he did in pro wrestling.

Mr.Nice Guy

flahavaj wrote: »

Your point just came across as a bit of a harsh insult to anyone who might have a personal preference for Jeff over Kurt, that all MNG. I'm with the screaming youngwans on this one.:pac:

Reading it back again it does come across stronger than I intended. I should have phrased that better.

micahel.etc wrote:

Just because many teenage girls are fans of Jeff, doesn't necessarily mean that represents his entire fan base. But this wasn't the part of your original post i questioned anway, it was the suggestion that all of Jeff Hardy's fans are either young girls, or "too young" to remember all of Kurt Angle's contributions. It was something of an insult to those of us who appreciate Hardy. I've been watching this stuff longer than Kurt himself, but I'd call myself a Hardy fan for sure.

Yeah that's fair. It does read as a cheap pop which wasn't my intention. I was mainly lashing out at the current wrestling community's attitude as a whole, and not people on this thread. Sorry to anyone who thought I was having a go.

DM-ICE wrote:

That isn't exactly true. Kurt was in a pretty good position when he entered WWE after years of competition on amateur wrestling and a gold medal. The gold medal and everything he did to achieve it was a big part in his success.

When Jeff was starting out in his teens within wwf he had no gold medal backing him up.

It took Kurt many years of training and hard work to give him a platform to get where he did in pro wrestling wen he entered the industry.

The speed at which Kurt was able to adapt to pro wrestling though was key to his big push, not merely his gold medal success. It surprised alot in WWE. I think it was Tom Pritchard who was training Kurt at the time. Also his great mic skills helped further his push. Jeff didn't have these skills.

michael.etc...

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The speed at which Kurt was able to adapt to pro wrestling though was key to his big push, not merely his gold medal success. It surprised alot in WWE. I think it was Tom Pritchard who was training Kurt at the time. Also his great mic skills helped further his push. Jeff didn't have these skills.

I still think your criticisms of Hardy are incredibly harsh- but hey, to each their own. But especially because, your praise for Angle is completly valid in my book. He certainly grasped the fundamentals as quick as anyone out there has.

DM_7

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

The speed at which Kurt was able to adapt to pro wrestling though was key to his big push, not merely his gold medal success. It surprised alot in WWE. I think it was Tom Pritchard who was training Kurt at the time. Also his great mic skills helped further his push. Jeff didn't have these skills.

It was also key. I wouldn't question anything in what you say and i'm not playing down kurts achievements.

I am saying it was still his many years of hard work that provided him with the athletic credentials and the important gold medal that provided a platform to showcase his talents.

If he didn't have the years behind him there is no way he would of had the profile that saw him entered into feuds with great pro wrestlers or the platform to be handed the mic so fast.

It took Jeff and Kurt many years to get to the top rather than the over a decade v two years suggestion.

flahavaj

My problems with Kurt Angle's wrestling:

- He killed his finishers stone dead to the point where you didn't believe any of them ever had a chance of putting an opponent away.

- He wrestled too fast all the time. This may sound strange, but theres a time when a wrestler needs to go slow in a match and a time when he needs to go fast. Kurt was awesome at pulling off the fast paced sprints, but after a while they started to mean nothing as he never grasped the idea that less is more.

- He never really effectively worked a body part in his match as in played the work he did throughout his matches into his finishes.

- Unless hes in there with a great worker he resorts to simply thowing big moves together and calling it a match.

- He doesn't think about the psychology behind what hes doing, ie the reasons why things are happening in the ring. One time he really annoyed me was in a triple threat between he, Big Show and Lesnar. For weeks beforehand they had been making a big deal of the fact that Lesnar wouldn't be able to manhandle Big Show and what a freak of strength it was to be able to hit the F5 on him. Then along comes Angle in the triple threat like a fool and effortlessly hits about six release German Suplexes on Show. Way to kill Lesnar's heat there Kurtie.

I was hasty in voting for Jeff I suppose. Its not as if hes a genius psychologist or anything. There needs to be an Atari Jaguar option in this one.:pac:

I suppose the reason I dislike Kurt is I know he could be so much better. He's a phenomenal athelete, a great talker and is as good a sprint wrestler as there ever has been. Its just that if he had learned to time those sprints better and picked his moments better to explode he could have been the greatest ever. I don't think its ureasonable to expect a guy with his experience to have learned that much at this stage.:(

I'm sure I'll be flamed at the stake for this, but f*ck it this place needs livening up.

Rjd2

flahavaj wrote: »

- He wrestled too fast all the time. This may sound strange, but theres a time when a wrestler needs to go slow in a match and a time when he needs to go fast. Kurt was awesome at pulling off the fast paced sprints, but after a while they started to mean nothing as he never grasped the idea that less is more.

Even though he was heel against John Cena the guy wrestled as if he was face against Cena and done little to get the biggest moneymaker in the company over with a skeptical crowd, which made him look an insecure tool. Hunter was guilty of the same thing in 2006 as well.

flahavaj

Rjd2 wrote: »

Even though he was heel against John Cena the guy wrestled as if he was face against Cena and done little to get the biggest moneymaker in the company over with a skeptical crowd, which made him look an insecure tool. Hunter was guilty of the same thing in 2006 as well.

Another great point actually, he never grasped the concept of altering his style as a heel to help get the face over.

Machismo Fan

I've put a bit of thought into it and really I can't come up with that many non-gimmick Jeff Hardy matches that I can call really great. His first World title win is in that category (though that was a Triple Threat), his matches with HHH were great but they were then done so many times. Whereas I could rattle off ten awesome Kurt Angle matches without having to think very hard. I think that due to his awesome back-catalogue of matches and great promo's, I'd have to say that Angle wins this by a mile but I suppose that's just my opinion.

Machismo Fan

flahavaj wrote: »

Another great point actually, he never grasped the concept of altering his style as a heel to help get the face over.

Then what did he do for Jay Lethal or John Cena on his debut?

flahavaj

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Then what did he do for Jay Lethal or John Cena on his debut?

Tell me how he altered his style in his matches?

I give credit to Kurt for his willingness to put people over in terms of taking pinfalls etc. But his inability to alter his style undoubtedly affected his ability to do so in as effective a way as he could have.

Machismo Fan

flahavaj wrote: »

Tell me how he altered his style in his matches?

But why did he need to? He made Cena and Lethal look like a million bucks (and Kaz for that matter and he was a heel in each case). If it ain't broke why change it?

flahavaj

Machismo Fan wrote: »

But why did he need to? He made Cena and Lethal look like a million bucks (and Kaz for that matter and he was a heel in each case). If it ain't broke why change it?

Guys like Lethal and Kaz are decent workers in their own right, we're not talking about guys that really need to be carried per se here in all fairness. You say he was a heel at the time of those matches, but how much did he portray himself as a heel in those matches? There a difference between habving a good match and portraying a heel well. In general Angle doesn't work a style thats in any way condusive to making anyone but himself look good and it shows when you put him in with a lug that he's forced to carry.

bigeasyeah

Angle all the way

JP Liz

Tough choice again - Angle is no doubt one of best ever in the WWE and he still is doing well in TNA but Jeff has improved dramatically over the past two years and I have always been a Hardy mark so Jeff edges Angle out for me

savemejebus

Went with Jeff, if it had been 4 years ago I'd have chosen Angle but tbh all Kurt has done in the last 4 years is bore me to tears.

Dancor

Angle > Hardy.

Jeff is good in his own ways but Kurt Angle is possibly the greatest ever, Jeff is not and never will be considered as such.

Machismo Fan

flahavaj wrote: »

In general Angle doesn't work a style thats in any way condusive to making anyone but himself look good

But if you can keep up (like Lethal and Kaz can) then Angle's style does work in elevating talent. And if Kurt Angle changed his style then he wouldn't be Kurt Angle would he? His style was one of the main things that helped him stand out. Asking Kurt Angle to slow his style down is akin to asking Jeff Hardy not to do anymore high spots in my opinion.

flahavaj

Machismo Fan wrote: »

But if you can keep up (like Lethal and Kaz can) then Angle's style does work in elevating talent. And if Kurt Angle changed his style then he wouldn't be Kurt Angle would he? His style was one of the main things that helped him stand out. Asking Kurt Angle to slow his style down is akin to asking Jeff Hardy not to do anymore high spots in my opinion.

Thats well and good if you're a good worker. Unfortunately many many wrestlers aren't that good and need to be carried by someone with the ability to adapt to their various faults. The really great workers are the ones with this ability. Angle will to me will always have that black mark beside his name that he only ever knew that one way to work and was incapable to adapting to the styles of others and its this fault which keeps him out of that all time great bracket of wrestlers. I'm not saying theres anything wrong with his balls to the wall style per se, in fact it was great to watch in the right circumstances. But you need to time these things properly to make them meaningful, oterwise after a while you just become numb to the whole style.

Machismo Fan

I sense that we're just going to go in circles here so can we agree to disagree?

flahavaj

Machismo Fan wrote: »

I sense that we're just going to go in circles here so can we agree to disagree?

Absolutely. Enjoyed the debate all the same. This board needs more epic disagreements.:pac:

Vince135792003

I like both and it's an interesting time to do the poll in that Hardy may be at his peak and Angle hasn't had his best year by any means.

I'd still go with Angle though.

flahavaj

Vince135792003 wrote: »

I like both and it's an interesting time to do the poll in that Hardy may be at his peak and Angle hasn't had his best year by any means.

I'd still go with Angle though.

Really?:eek:

Sunset V

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

This is an easy one. Kurt Angle without a doubt.

A better wrestler, better on the mic and better all round entertainer. Most of Jeff's top matches have been some sort of gimmick match and on the mic he's nowhere near as funny.

Jeff can't play a heel either so he's a bit one dimensional in that regard.

Would be amazed people would pick Jeff over Angle unless they're girls who fancy him or those not old enough to remember what Kurt did for wrestling.

Think Mr. Nice Guy summed it absolutely perfectly and concisely as it needed to be here.

Maybe it's my lack of knowledge and maybe i'm speaking out if ignorance but I don't see this Kurt not adapting to different opponents argument. To me every wrestler has their core move set and they use that set in every match no matter who they fight. Now I could be very wrong here by saying that.

Sirsok

kurt angle is my favourite wrestler of all time so im a bit biased