Registration

Ice87

Anyone know when registration will open and how much it will be??

giveliberty

€1,500 is the number been stated around the place. It may go as far as €1,600 and that is excluding the sports levy.

You think that's bad - sucks to be an incoming first year! See here

mr.interested

giveliberty wrote: »

€1,500 is the number been stated around the place. It may go as far as €1,600 and that is excluding the sports levy.

You think that's bad - sucks to be an incoming first year! See here

Well, the government is doing everything what it can to discourage people from going to universities. When you go to university you don't work, so you don't pay taxes for the next couple of years. And that's what the government doesn't like.

giveliberty

mr.interested wrote: »

Well, the government is doing everything what it can to discourage people from going to universities. When you go to university you don't work, so you don't pay taxes for the next couple of years. And that's what the government doesn't like.

Really? So why fund them at all if we were to follow that logic? I've never heard a more idiotic statement on these boards, and there are many that are up there.

So all those free place to the unemployed? The student grant? The BTEA? The ACCESS programmes? The removal of the ban on students working so they could earn additional income when they were on the grant?

Need I go on?

I assume your remark was just an off the cuff one and wasn't meant to be a meaningful contribution to this thread?

Ice87

giveliberty wrote: »

Really? So why fund them at all if we were to follow that logic? I've never heard a more idiotic statement on these boards, and there are many that are up there.

So all those free place to the unemployed? The student grant? The BTEA? The ACCESS programmes? The removal of the ban on students working so they could earn additional income when they were on the grant?

Need I go on?

I assume your remark was just an off the cuff one and wasn't meant to be a meaningful contribution to this thread?

I think what he meant was that by increasing the fees or bringing the "proper fees" in you are discouraging people from going to college which is true however the government will need to bring in the loan scheme that will take a long time to work out. I can see it coming in for next year...2010-2011 year.

giveliberty

Ice87 wrote: »

I think what he meant was that by increasing the fees or bringing the "proper fees" in you are discouraging people from going to college which is true however the government will need to bring in the loan scheme that will take a long time to work out. I can see it coming in for next year...2010-2011 year.

Fees don't discourage people from attending college - lack of investment in primary and second level education discourage people from attending college. All the evidence indicate that there has been no marked increase in those, for instance, from disadvantaged backgrounds attending college - participation rates have increased with the population and growing irish affluence. It is a myth to say otherwise. Even Maureen O'sullivan has recognised this - and she is the champion of the working class.

The registration fee however is a total joke. It was introduced in 1998 by then Minister Niamh Bhreathnach because the students' union got their way (free education) and realised that they had just screwed themselves over in the process - by their request she introduced the fee to cover the cost of clubs and societies, the students' union and exams.

Come forward to 2009 you have colleges raping the student capitation funds for illegal projects, Students' Unions trying to protect their own budgets being controlled by college staff in some cases - if you think a students' union is independent in Ireland you are mistaken....many are monitored tightly and circumvented when necessary, and have college staff pouring poison in their ears about any idea that would show a little initiative and make the union stronger (there are of course exceptions to this rule, but they are rare - they only usually come about when the SU staff are former SU officers)....and to top it all off the government claws back at least €500 per student from the registration fee.

The hell with fees - paying €1,500 a year on money you cannot properly account for, is controlled by unaccountable public servants who think they no better how to spend it - even though that money (well a significant chunk of it) is meant to be spent on student organisations and student led facilities.

Some SUs - not DCUSU, as far as I am aware, are that inept they have no idea that they are actually entitled by HEA regulation to sit, in equal partnership on EVERY committee that directs the expenditure of student capitation (that the registration fee fund).

Total joke. Apologies about the rant.

stringy

Fee is 1538e and registration begins for new students online Wednesday, 9 September

mr.interested

giveliberty wrote: »

Fees don't discourage people from attending college

Excuse me? And you say that my was an 'idiotic statement'? Well, you're not an economist so you haven't probably heard about law of demand. Actually, you don't have to be an economist to know this because it's very worldly statement, which says that the more product costs, the fewer people buy it.

Let's take two courses, name them A and B. Each of which offers exactly the same programme. The former costs 5,000 euros (including the levy), the latter costs 6,500 (including the levy). Say your budget is very tight. Will you really choose the B course? Why not? You said that the 'Fees don't discourage people from attending college'. Do you sustain your statement?

giveliberty wrote: »

So all those free place to the unemployed? The student grant? The BTEA? The ACCESS programmes? The removal of the ban on students working so they could earn additional income when they were on the grant?

Free places?! As far as I now both BTEA and recently introduced part-time courses are for those who are on Job Seeker's Benefit. In order to get Job Seeker's Benefit you had to work for at least two years. Which means you've paid taxes. Lots of them. From those taxes government finances your course. So please don't say that the courses are for nothing because it's very insulting to me.

Of course, same people receive more that they paid through taxes. Yet at the end of the day the government is better off anyway.

Re your last post, I agree with you. However, I'm not really up to speed with the topic.

giveliberty

Strangely Economists disagree with your interpretation of supply and demand when it comes to education. Higher Education itself is a funny old thing. It is seen as a luxury good from the outset - you do not need it to survive as the state gives you money for simply breathing (and breeding). IBEC, the ESRI, strategic review of higher education set up by the Minister for Education and Science will most likely come out in favour of student contribution - lots of economists and those with a far greater knowledge of economic theory then you or I. We have very little evidence-based policy making going on when it comes to higher education - this has been a problem since 1995. Tuition fees became a political issue more than a policy issue thanks to the shortsightedness of the Labour Party (albeit well intentioned). Oh An Bord Snip Nua - all economists recommended return of fees, but in fairness that was a fiscal measure not one to increase participation.

There was one study that suggested (by Harvard as I recall) that fees would adversely effect participation by middle income earners - in Ireland that would simply mean that they can't send their kids to feeder schools. Did I hear someone mention level playing field, I think so!

In relation to your A and B example. People select courses primarily based upon their desire to do said course, not the financial cost - the mindset of those selecting courses is how will they benefit from it, will they earn more money by qualifying from the more expensive course in the long term. It is not a short term decision its a life long one. Any college would gladly work out a payment plan with a student - I've done it, I know loads of people who have done, as I myself have actually paid tuition fees due to my entry route in a previous course. Those who select courses based on the financial cost should seriously re-evaluate their motivation for going to college in the first place - and I would imagine that they would be the type of individual who would drop out anyway for other reasons - When you are 17 selecting a course its all about the career prospects - parents and you will figure out how to raise the necessary capital - and banks will be quite happy to loan for college costs. That of course raises the semi-valid argument about the debt avoidance paranoia that some people have - well you have to spend money to make money, and college related loans (for tuition fees) have historically been far more flexible than other loans - because they have to me. Mature entry student take a different perspective, and have additional financial constraints so leniency in that regard would be warranted.

Before you say it - the current financial crisis has NOT in any way decreased the amount of student loans been authorised - they are a different type of risk criteria by banks and they are seen as investments. BoI ,AIB and Ulster Bank are still lending to students, and National Irish Bank give a great loan still to students giving them 200e a month over 4 years, repayable after 5.

In terms of the free places see here. You do not have to be unemployed for several years but the jobs seekers benefit criteria are constraining. This is done to stop welfare tourists, not to come down hard on Irish citizens, and there are ways and means to obtain those benefits without the 2 year criteria - that, as I stated is there to stop welfare tourism. The BTEA requires you to be out of work for 12 months - it used to 6 months but there was so many education tourists from EU countries that they had to put a stop to it about 5 years ago - that didnt effect the take up I might add.

Just in terms of taxes giving everyone a right to education - workers are not the only ones who pay taxes, even the terminally unemployed pay taxes by means of VAT - christ even a 6 year old pays taxes when the buy sweets in the shop with their pocket money - and many of those who qualify for BTEA are often those on low paid jobs, often minimum wage who want to go to college to increase their wage potential. They would have been paying little or no taxes - in fact they would have been a net beneficiary of state benefits - which you acknowledge.

It is true, and I will accept that the system MUST be fair, and currently is unfair - especially when it comes to JSA. Mind you if you go back to college as a mature student, and you dont qualify for the BTEA, you still qualify to claim the dole during the summer period if you can't find work.

When I said free places I meant that their is no directly associated cost involved in registering or to take up the course - how exactly you can get insulted by this is beyond me. Nothing is for free. If one was to remain on the dole from 17 to 70 they would, in fact incur additional VAT levies - and other stealth taxes because the burden the place on the state coffers. I am of course talking about someone who is too lazy to get a job, not someone who can't work due to a disability etc.

I am under no delusion that there are associated costs involved in starting a course - registration fees, books, travel, food, socialising etc, but thats the same with any activity - its just odd that you would feel the need to point out something everyone knows.

wannabepr

Can someone tell me the latest date I can reg as a continuing student?? Thanks

giveliberty

wannabepr wrote: »

Can someone tell me the latest date I can reg as a continuing student?? Thanks

Fri 30th Oct - after that you don't count on the college books - ie they don't get funding for you. They have to submit a student census to the HEA for funding.

wannabepr

cool is there a late fee for waiting so long?? Thanks

giveliberty

wannabepr wrote: »

cool is there a late fee for waiting so long?? Thanks

Probably. But if its down to being unable to afford the registration fee you can arrange a payment plan; that shouldn't incur a penalty.

Kates923

Does anyone know.
If your getting the full maintence grant thing do the government pay the registeration fees ?
xXx

giveliberty

Kates923 wrote: »

Does anyone know.
If your getting the full maintence grant thing do the government pay the registeration fees ?
xXx

Indeedy - Bring in the confirmation letter during registration - and there will be a form that will be sent to you that you have to get stamped by the college. Send it back to your awarding authority, and then you will receive the grant - the awarding authority will pay the university.

Kates923

Thanks a million.

giveliberty

Kates923 wrote: »

Thanks a million. Im already paying for on campus acc. I was worried about that.
Ah i have to go all the way from cork to dublin for a day jst to register. That sucks.
xXx

Take my advice....go to the orientation week - all of it. It is very informative and you will get to know your class mates - and new house mates.

giveliberty

Kates923 wrote: »

Thanks a million. Im already paying for on campus acc. I was worried about that.
Ah i have to go all the way from cork to dublin for a day jst to register. That sucks.
xXx

Oh I forgot to mention you will be liable to pay the student levy. Can't remember how much it is though.

phantom_lord

38 spuds or so i think.

YourName

What if you don't have your grant in time but you know you are going to get it. What do you do then???

giveliberty

YourName wrote: »

What if you don't have your grant in time but you know you are going to get it. What do you do then???

I am actually in the same boat as you on this as I had to apply late for my grant renewal.

You should first of all ring your awarding authority the morning of registration - ask them if you have qualified. If they say yes, go up to the SU, get their fax number and have the letter faxed up there - the SU may charge a nominal fee for that service.

Or

You can just tell them that you are awaiting confirmation of the grant. They will probably put you on a temporary register, for the sake of numbers, but you will not be able to get a Student ID,log on to PCs/Macs or use the library fully until its confirmed.

The second part is what they do in every other college - I imagine DCU is no different.

YourName

Thanks for that "giveliberty", well I hope I will know in time, but I guess I will just have to wait and see.

blacon9

I heard that the registration fees can be paid in inastallments for those who can't afford it, e.g half each semester. Is this true?

giveliberty

blacon9 wrote: »

I heard that the registration fees can be paid in inastallments for those who can't afford it, e.g half each semester. Is this true?

Should be. Colleges are expected to be lenient in the current climate, and historically have been when it comes to the registration fee - it's in their interests to get the money.

If you run into any problems speak to the SU or your Course Head - they will knock heads on your behalf, but it should not be a problem!

Diarmsquid

Few little questions about registration tomorrow.

1. What time can you register from?
2. Can i register my modules but pay the registration fee at a later date?
3. Do I need to register quickly so that I'm first on the list if a module is over-subscribed, or does that rarely happen?

dizzywizlw

It says 12 but its 12.20 now, probably around 1ish

irish_boy90

mine us up but its the one from last year

says the fee is last years one 938
also lists my first year modules and says i'm going into first year :rolleyes:

same for my mate who is also going into second year, we are both going into second year CA

We both have passed all exams so its not repeat results or anything, anyone else have the same problem?

Glyni

mine worked about 12.20

jennyq

Anybody else gotten an email after registering & paying telling them their Novell account has been disabled for financial reasons?

dizzywizlw

yep

dizzywizlw

jennyq wrote: »

Anybody else gotten an email after registering & paying telling them their Novell account has been disabled for financial reasons?

Rang them, its standard pactice until the payment goes through

Phantastic Fox

Meant to be going into 3rd year of CA... but it's still showing up as registration from last year. Anyone know what the hell is going on / what I should do? :P

I passed everything, btw.

:Keith:

Yeah, I'm having the same problem. It's giving all the details from last year's registration. Pretty annoying.

quackisss

I thought registration didn't start til the 9th?

Phantastic Fox

So what's everyone going to do about the registration issues? I filled in the little box on the portal page but so far there's been no reply there; is it worthwhile emailing / phoning the registry directly, or should we give it another day or two?

TheChrisD

Well, registration seems faffed up for me... *sigh* Better get onto someone "official".

Pygmalion

SO what's all this talk about registering already... I got a letter in the post saying that registration was online from the 9th to the 18th...

Am I wrong? Or is this a first year thing?

Fince

Pygmalion wrote: »

SO what's all this talk about registering already... I got a letter in the post saying that registration was online from the 9th to the 18th...

Am I wrong? Or is this a first year thing?

its a first year thing. all those above are continuing students

Glyni

Phantastic Fox wrote: »

So what's everyone going to do about the registration issues? I filled in the little box on the portal page but so far there's been no reply there; is it worthwhile emailing / phoning the registry directly, or should we give it another day or two?

Right above that little box on your portal page is the link to registration
Its written in Red Online Registration 2009/10 click on this and you should be okay.

Phantastic Fox

Glyni wrote: »

Right above that little box on your portal page is the link to registration
Its written in Red Online Registration 2009/10 click on this and you should be okay.

Ehm, no. It's loading up with last year's course choice instead of the new one. Same issue other people have been facing.

Glyni

Phantastic Fox wrote: »

Ehm, no. It's loading up with last year's course choice instead of the new one. Same issue other people have been facing.

Mine was loading with last years details too.
So I went through the whole registration process clicking into each page separately, survey, contact details etc in order.
When I got to the subjects page they had changed.

But nothing suprises me I'm surprised mine went so smoothly really.

Phantastic Fox

Tried that; no dice. Oh well, I'll have to get in touch with the registry folks, I guess.

GLaDOS

To people loading up last years details, try going to "rules and regulations", scroll down to the end and click accept.

This should then bring up the proof of registration with this years details

Adamcp898

Can anyone remember whether we get a letter posted from DCU after we pay registration?

I'm applying for a grant this year but I need proof of a college place for the upcoming year

Fyr.Fytr

Anyone know how long after repeat results you have to wait before you can reg? Ive gone through all the steps etc gone to rules and regs hit accecpt and it says i cant reg yet

stylee

Fyr.Fytr wrote: »

Anyone know how long after repeat results you have to wait before you can reg? Ive gone through all the steps etc gone to rules and regs hit accecpt and it says i cant reg yet

I am pretty sure i saw on my portal page that anyone with autumn results wont be able to register until after 3pm ??

Fyr.Fytr

Yea i tried doing it a couple of times in the last hour, no joy, suprise suprise dcu it not working as it should, im shocked ha ha ha

Fyr.Fytr

Its working for me now

it let me pay my reg fees but cant chooses modules, strange

sesal

Can you register at the university or do you have to do it online? Sorry if that's a stupid question btw

Robbie444

I've just registered online (atleast I think I have) and I am wondering when I have to pick up my student card? I cannot seem to make sense of the orientation schedule so can anybody please tell me when 2nd year Bachelor of Business have to pick up cards.

p.s, I am a transfer student so this is why I do not have one already.
Thanks

Anna88

I got my grant and I was just wondering...how do I pay my student levy of 38 euro?? Anybody know?