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hick

time will tell what everyone really thinks of avatar, lots of folk think it's exciting a new and everyone is talking about it right now one way or another, lets see if that lasts

ndubz

hick wrote: »

time will tell what everyone really thinks of avatar, lots of folk think it's exciting a new and everyone is talking about it right now one way or another, lets see if that lasts

I have to be honest that this movie is truly amazing and entertaining. I wouldn't be going over and over to see it ( I saw it in 3d first time), I went to rathmines new swan cinema, excellent cinema. I don't reckon that every movie will be made like this in the future though. I would get bored of it.

Anakin.S

Anakin.S wrote: »

Highest grossing of all time, doesn't mean anything. It should be on tickets sold not the money it makes for the studio.

Money made is based on ticket sales, the higher the takings the more tickets are sold. If you were to go on ticket sales then it would still be one of the biggest films of all time.

Coriolanus

Well, ticket sales for Avatar are between 2 and 3 times the cost of Titanic. It was about $5 for Titanic, it's $8, $12 and $16 for 2d, 3d and IMAX Avatar.
Not sure it'll beat Titanic on ticket sales, purely because there's going to be another division of Fox looking to get it out on DVD sale.

On the flipside, Avatar has been highly, highly pirated which conceivably has an impact on ticket sales. It was the fastest online pirated film of the year and Chinese street vendors have been flogging bootleg copies for weeks.

Galvasean

Nevore wrote: »

Well, ticket sales for Avatar are between 2 and 3 times the cost of Titanic. It was about $5 for Titanic, it's $8, $12 and $16 for 2d, 3d and IMAX Avatar.
Not sure it'll beat Titanic on ticket sales, purely because there's going to be another division of Fox looking to get it out on DVD sale.

On the flipside, Avatar has been highly, highly pirated which conceivably has an impact on ticket sales. It was the fastest online pirated film of the year and Chinese street vendors have been flogging bootleg copies for weeks.

Interesting point. I wonder would it be fair to say inflation and piracy more or less balance each other out in terms of comparing gross.

Galvasean

Galvasean wrote: »

Interesting point. I wonder would it be fair to say inflation and piracy more or less balance each other out in terms of comparing gross.

Avatar is one of the fast and most downloaded films ever so I would say that it's fair to assume that taking that into account it's gross suffered considerably. Back when Titanic came out it would take you weeks to download the film and then watch it on a screen the size of a stamp, which is how someone I know enjoyed it.

Coriolanus

Galvasean wrote: »

Interesting point. I wonder would it be fair to say inflation and piracy more or less balance each other out in terms of comparing gross.

I think it would be at least!

Anakin.S

Deleted User wrote: »

Money made is based on ticket sales, the higher the takings the more tickets are sold. If you were to go on ticket sales then it would still be one of the biggest films of all time.

There is a big difference in price between tickets now and tickets when 'ET', 'Starwars', 'The sound of music' or even 'Gone with the wind' were in the cinema.

Anakin.S

Anakin.S wrote: »

There is a big difference in price between tickets now and tickets when 'ET', 'Starwars', 'The sound of music' or even 'Gone with the wind' were in the cinema.

That there is but when people compare the takings of Star Wars, etc with modern films inflation is taking into account.

cashback

Deleted User wrote: »

Avatar is one of the fast and most downloaded films ever so I would say that it's fair to assume that taking that into account it's gross suffered considerably. Back when Titanic came out it would take you weeks to download the film and then watch it on a screen the size of a stamp, which is how someone I know enjoyed it.

I find it hard to understand why anyone would want to watch this on their computer. This is one film that's all about the visuals and the 3D experience. It really should be seen in the cinema.

That said, I got stuck in a rubbish seat near the front so I might go back again to see it properly.

irish_bob

Nevore wrote: »

Well, ticket sales for Avatar are between 2 and 3 times the cost of Titanic. It was about $5 for Titanic, it's $8, $12 and $16 for 2d, 3d and IMAX Avatar.
Not sure it'll beat Titanic on ticket sales, purely because there's going to be another division of Fox looking to get it out on DVD sale.

On the flipside, Avatar has been highly, highly pirated which conceivably has an impact on ticket sales. It was the fastest online pirated film of the year and Chinese street vendors have been flogging bootleg copies for weeks.

most successfull movie of all time based on tickets sold is gone with the wind , when inflation is taken into account , rhett and scarlet took 1.4 billion dollars in the usa alone , almost three times what titanic grossed :eek:

the sound of music comes in a distant second followed by snow white and the seven dwarfs ( 1937) , star wars is in the top 5 titanic is number 6 or something

Alessandra

I saw the trailer a few weeks ago and it didn't strike me as appealing. I'm not a major sci-fi fan. After hearing the hype from friends I went to the 3d version. I have never been to a 3d film before and even at the Alice in Wonderland trailer I was mesmerised!

CGI is something I really don't understand but I recognise the flawless attention to detail by the makers in creating an alternae universe. The plants, animals and na'vi are stunningly created and very believable. The acting was powerful at times esp by the female lead?

I was often gasping with anticipaion and didn't know what part of the screen to focus on in case I missed some detail. The audience was heavily involved and it almost feels at times that the things are falling on you and you are there in the thick of the action. You are left imaging Pandora and almost hoping to live there. There are some very political and social messages in the film.

The script I will admit was a little lacking but that's easily forgiven in a film of its quality. The LOTR trilogy will still be my favourite in terms of story and characters but I recgonise avatar as one of the top cinematic experiences I have ever had.

It leaves me very excited about the prospect of cinema in the future.

fuelinjection

Am a sci-fi fan and am looking forward to seeing this movie.

But then again the plot is simple stuff for kids .... lets all fight for the planet/enviroment and that. I never saw Titanic and I never will ... stupid movie for stupid people.
The 3D thing is interesting though. Will it be a crowd puller and will the sheep pay 30% more to watch with glasses on or is it a fad ?
Theres lots of technology in 3D TV stuff in the works so maybe its the future, who knows ? Althought its not real 3D, just some effect with red and green light on the eye.
Having said that I will buy ths movie when it is 15 euro and watch it and probably enjoy it. Best movie of the year ? No.

irish_bob

irish_bob wrote: »

most successfull movie of all time based on tickets sold is gone with the wind , when inflation is taken into account , rhett and scarlet took 1.4 billion dollars in the usa alone , almost three times what titanic grossed :eek:

the sound of music comes in a distant second followed by snow white and the seven dwarfs ( 1937) , star wars is in the top 5 titanic is number 6 or something

Remember though that back then films had a much longer cinema life with many of the more successful films playing for month after month. These days your lucky if a film gets more than a few weeks release.

fuelinjection wrote: »

Am a sci-fi fan and am looking forward to seeing this movie.

But then again the plot is simple stuff for kids .... lets all fight for the planet/enviroment and that. I never saw Titanic and I never will ... stupid movie for stupid people.
The 3D thing is interesting though. Will it be a crowd puller and will the sheep pay 30% more to watch with glasses on or is it a fad ?
Theres lots of technology in 3D TV stuff in the works so maybe its the future, who knows ? Althought its not real 3D, just some effect with red and green light on the eye.
Having said that I will buy ths movie when it is 15 euro and watch it and probably enjoy it. Best movie of the year ? No.

Your entire post is ill informed. The 3D TV is nothing to do with the red and green of old, it's proper 3D which works just like it does in the cinema. I've seen a lot of 3D stuff at home and have thus far been very impressed, Avatar the game looks absolutely stunning when played on it.

I love how people who have yet to see the film are constantly going on about the story being poor and the film not being one of the years best, you cannot make that statement untill you have seen the film.

fuelinjection

I never said it was a bad film, I will buy it when it comes out, and will enjoy it.

As for 3D movies, true 3D means you can watch it from behind and thats not the case in 2010.

MikeC101

fuelinjection wrote: »

I never saw Titanic and I never will ... stupid movie for stupid people.

Erm...how do you know this for sure, if you haven't seen it?

I mean that would be a pretty damning judgement from someone who had seen the film, let alone someone who hasn't, and labelling it as "for stupid people."... Really?

Not a huge fan of Titanic (might be coloured by my annoyance at how it took all the awards from LA Confidential) but it's a pretty solid film for what it is.

fuelinjection

MikeC101 wrote: »

Erm...how do you know this for sure, if you haven't seen it?

I mean that would be a pretty damning judgement from someone who had seen the film, let alone someone who hasn't, and labelling it as "for stupid people."... Really?

Not a huge fan of Titanic (might be coloured by my annoyance at how it took all the awards from LA Confidential) but it's a pretty solid film for what it is.

I have never seen "Sex and the ****y" and I know its poor. End of.

fuelinjection

fuelinjection wrote: »

I have never seen "Sex and the ****y" and I know its poor. End of.

That's the kind of bullshit logic that results in people missing out on some great films. No one should judge a film till they at least give it a chance to do so otherwise makes you out to be a pompous ass.

I actually watched Sex and the City with my girl friend awhile back and it was far from the worst film ever made. While not my cup of tea I could at least recognise that it was far from the travesty I initially thought it would be.

speedboatchase

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That's the kind of bullshit logic that results in people missing out on some great films. No one should judge a film till they at least give it a chance to do so otherwise makes you out to be a pompous ass.

I actually watched Sex and the City with my girl friend awhile back and it was far from the worst film ever made. While not my cup of tea I could at least recognise that it was far from the travesty I initially thought it would be.

I understand both sides but there are exceptions - I don't need to see Superhero/Date Movie because I've seen the trailer and that was enough

MikeC101

speedboatchase wrote: »

I understand both sides but there are exceptions - I don't need to see Superhero/Date Movie because I've seen the trailer and that was enough

Still though, they're the latest in a long running franchise that didn't start off very highly and got worse with every film, so you've probably a good idea of the type of movie it is.

Plus, fair enough if you know it's not going to be the type of film you like, or even if you've seen a film and consider it stupid.

But saying a film is "stupid" and "for stupid people" without having seen it is, to me, fairly ridiculous. Especially Titanic, which, for all it's flaws, is hardly "stupid", is it?

MikeC101

fuelinjection wrote: »

I have never seen "Sex and the ****y" and I know its poor. End of.

I've seen Titanic and know it's actually pretty decent. End of.

(See how we could go round in circles all day....?)

fuelinjection

Deleted User wrote: »

actually watched Sex and the City with my girl friend a while back and it was far from the worst film ever made.

Bet she made you watch it. :pac:

drkpower

fuelinjection wrote: »

I never saw Titanic and I never will ... stupid movie for stupid people.

Damn straight.

Same as Lord of the Rings, stupid movie for stupid people.
And Star Wars, stupid movie for stupid people.

Never seen them mind, but Im certain that all 4 movies in each case are entirely ridiculous made for imbeciles.

And do not get me started on The Godfather; stupidist stupid film Ive never seen.

fuelinjection

fuelinjection wrote: »

Bet she made you watch it. :pac:

No, she asked me one night if I wanted to watch it and I said fine. I could have left the room at any time or turned it off and put on a film I would have enjoyed more.

The fact remains that you cannot say a film is crap unless you watch it.

fuelinjection

Deleted User wrote: »

The fact remains that you cannot say a film is crap unless you watch it.

Not true in the case of the Titanic and Sex and the City as they are both intellectually weak, but I think this argument has made me appear an oaf. I will watch Avatar and I know I will enjoy it. Because I love sci-fi and am a soft spot for movies like "Wall-E".
The 3D argument was more important as this movie cost so much to make and had charged the sheep extra at the box office to watch it. It's not real 3D.

drkpower

fuelinjection wrote: »

Not true in the case of the Titanic and Sex and the City as they are both intellectually weak, but I think this argument has made me appear an oaf. I will watch Avatar and I know I will enjoy it. Because I love sci-fi and am a soft spot for movies like "Wall-E".

Sci-fi movies are all intellectually weak. Precisley for that reason, I have never seen a single one.

fuelinjection

fuelinjection wrote: »

Not true in the case of the Titanic and Sex and the City as they are both intellectually weak,

So that means that any low brow film can easily be categorised as crap simply because it lacks a certain intellectual level. It's this way of thinking which serious hampers the hopes of many films, people instantly turn their nose up at a films such as Crank and Shoot Em-Up simply because iboth are unashamedly 90 minutes of OTT violence and fun.

fuelinjection

Good luck lads.

Enjoy what you watch, each to their own, I am not a film snob. One man's meat is another man's poison and all that.

Dempsey

I never saw Titanic and I never will ... stupid movie for stupid people.

Thats a stupid statement and your logic doesn't stand up at all. I'm not going to argue with it either, because its stupid logic for stupid people.

Goldman82

Loved the film. It should take the Oscars. The 3 hours went by like 45 minutes. I enjoyed it very much.