Ireland is NOT a tipping country!

waitinforatrain

Attention delivery drivers

Ireland is NOT a tipping country! (With the exception of restaurants).

Minimum wage is high for a reason. You get paid plenty for your job, as much as I do, if I don't give you a tip don't say anything about it, don't walk away feigning indignation. It's not going to make me tip you the next time either.

And if I give you more than it costs, gimme my feckin change!

If someone does tip you (and I sometimes do before you point me to the stingy thread!), consider it a bonus.

Thank you.

are you talking about pizza/chinese/indian delivery men??
Most of them get paid NOTHING like minimum wage. They might get 20 quid for the night (<€4 per hour) and then tips and they've to pay their own petrol etc.

waitinforatrain

Deleted User wrote: »

are you talking about pizza/chinese/indian delivery men??
Most of them get paid NOTHING like minimum wage. They might get 20 quid for the night (<€4 per hour) and then tips and they've to pay their own petrol etc.

That would be totally illegal no?

karlr42

It's not our fault that their employers are breaking employment law.

Gran Hermano

OP, here's a tip.....


ranting & raving ----> that a way

JONJO THE MISER

Here Here O.P about time someone said it, i never tip and will never tip its as simple as that.

Degsy

Deleted User wrote: »

are you talking about pizza/chinese/indian delivery men??
Most of them get paid NOTHING like minimum wage. They might get 20 quid for the night (<€4 per hour) and then tips and they've to pay their own petrol etc.

Boo fcuckin hoo.
I've got two words for them "learn to fcuckin type".

karlr42

Degsy wrote: »

Boo fcuckin hoo.
I've got two words for them "learn to fcuckin type".

Careful, they might get onto boards..

waitinforatrain

waitinforatrain wrote: »

That would be totally illegal no?

em, yes, totally illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen!
It's also totally against the law for delivery guys to deliver anything unless they have business tax but I bet they don't!

Degsy

karlr42 wrote: »

Careful, they might get onto boards..

It makes me sick people expecting a tip because they're doing thier poxy job.
I have a job where i serve hundreds of customers a day and i dont get a tip because society doesnt deem my job tipworthy.

zonEEE

most delivery drivers from chippers and stuff arent on "the books" they get about 30 euro a night and make their money on tips. Now tip you stingy person!

ChocolateSauce

Deleted User wrote: »

are you talking about pizza/chinese/indian delivery men??
Most of them get paid NOTHING like minimum wage. They might get 20 quid for the night (<€4 per hour) and then tips and they've to pay their own petrol etc.

OR they might get over 200 a night. They're private contractors who agree to perform a service in exchange for a commission, not waged employees. My cousin-"in-law" managed to pay the loan on her car off by delivering for 6 months.

karlr42

karlr42 wrote: »

It's not our fault that their employers are breaking employment law.

I never said it was, and I don't think you have to tip by any means. Just pointing out that they're not all on minimum wage!

120_Minutes

I have a tip for delivery drivers:


dont work as delivery drivers.

waitinforatrain

Deleted User wrote: »

em, yes, totally illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen!

So because they allow themselves to be exploited, I should give them money?

waitinforatrain

waitinforatrain wrote: »

So because they allow themselves to be exploited, I should give them money?

read my last post - I never said that! I simply stated a fact!

jingx3

karlr42 wrote: »

It's not our fault that their employers are breaking employment law.

This.

PCPhoto

strongr wrote: »

most delivery drivers from chippers and stuff arent on "the books" they get about 30 euro a night and make their money on tips. Now tip you stingy person!

so they could also be claiming the dole ???

Red_Marauder

What really really REALLY bugs me are service charges, even when the service is terrible. And it's worse again when they expect you to leave a tip in places where the service is terrible and there's already a damn service charge. There's one well known Italian restaurant that's always guilty of this but I'm sure it can't be named, grrr. Damn them and their amazing food with shoddy service and arrogant beautiful waitresses!

Mr Benevolent

Have to say though, Domino's delivers phenomenally quick around here so I always tip them.

Confab

Confab wrote: »

Have to say though, Domino's delivers phenomenally quick around here so I always tip them.

well if you live near the glenageary one it's because all their drivers are lunatics, the amount of times they've nearly slammed into me on that roundabout :mad:

karlr42

Confab wrote: »

Have to say though, Domino's delivers phenomenally quick around here so I always tip them.

Arrgh, no, don't, I'm fairly sure one of the reasons Dominos are more expensive than local chippers is because they are a legit operation who pay drivers proper wages, so things like service and delivery are included(absorbed) in the price.

chopperbyrne

I only tip delivery drivers who work for places that don't have a delivery charge.

One of the local Chinese places has a €2.20 delivery charge already, why should I tip on top of that.

Borneo Fnctn

Any sap who gives a driver money for doing his job is making it easier for the employer to continue shafting the employee. Stop being saps.

Pygmalion

waitinforatrain wrote: »

That would be totally illegal no?

If they get paid by the hour, then yes it's illegal.
If they get paid per delivery or as a percentage of what they deliver then AFAIK no.

Amy33

I don't tip for the simple reason that I think it has to be one of the most patronising acts imaginable.

oppenheimer1

waitinforatrain wrote: »

Attention delivery drivers

Ireland is NOT a tipping country! (With the exception of restaurants).

Minimum wage is high for a reason. You get paid plenty for your job, as much as I do, if I don't give you a tip don't say anything about it, don't walk away feigning indignation. It's not going to make me tip you the next time either.

And if I give you more than it costs, gimme my feckin change!

If someone does tip you (and I sometimes do before you point me to the stingy thread!), consider it a bonus.

Thank you.

Why would you tip in a restaurant? I mean the staff are doing a menial low skill job and are getting at least the minimum wage for it. Is it too much these days to expect service with a smile without a tip? I mean if it wasn't for my custom (and others obviously) they wouldn't even have a job.

The non-optional service charge for a table of more than 8 people, I mean come on!! Even in a cheapish place the bill will come close to €200 - €250 before drinks. Is that not reward enough?

LadyJ

strongr wrote: »

most delivery drivers from chippers and stuff arent on "the books" they get about 30 euro a night and make their money on tips.

That's their own stupid fault. I'm not wealthy enough to tip anymore so they can fúck right off!

remus808

strongr wrote: »

most delivery drivers from chippers and stuff arent on "the books" they get about 30 euro a night and make their money on tips. Now tip you stingy person!

And who's fault is that?

If they want to work for someone whose breaking the law then that's their problem. They either get it sorted or find a new job. I don't have a job so why should I feel sorry for them?

Overheal

Unfortunately it is their own stupid fault.

Positions where tipping is common are regulated by common sense in the US. Every waitress knows her rights. She might work for tips, but it works just like Commission based pay: if you dont make enough tips/comission to cover the minimum wage, the employer (in the US anyway) is legally bound to pay the difference. This same idea applies to delivery drivers: they either make a huge haul or they make minimum wage. Theyre never exploited. Except, maybe for gas. Im not sure how it works with the big pizza chains. they probably have company insurance and all that.

that said I have a friend in nebraska who works as a waitress supervisor and she does about 20 hrs a week off the books supposedly to keep her job... I've tried telling her countless times not to put up with that ****.

SoWatchaWant

karlr42 wrote: »

It's not our fault that their employers are breaking employment law.

Yeah, they should've chosen another job.

noodler

waitinforatrain wrote: »

Attention delivery drivers

Ireland is NOT a tipping country! (With the exception of restaurants).

Minimum wage is high for a reason. You get paid plenty for your job, as much as I do, if I don't give you a tip don't say anything about it, don't walk away feigning indignation. It's not going to make me tip you the next time either.

And if I give you more than it costs, gimme my feckin change!

If someone does tip you (and I sometimes do before you point me to the stingy thread!), consider it a bonus.

Thank you.

I would be careful not to make the mistake that the reason we have a high minimum wage is so that we don't have to tip. Bare in mind prices and wages generally rise together.

I'd usually give a delivery man an extra 1e or 2e as long as there had been no delivery charge to begin with. Doesn't apply to the local chinese because somehow the price always ends up being more than I have worked out via the menu.

SoWatchaWant wrote: »

Yeah, they should've chosen another job.

Who'd bring you your food then? Strange attitude, if you work in a certain job you should expect a lesser treatment? Somebody has to do it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Degsy wrote: »

I have a job where i serve hundreds of customers a day and i dont get a tip because society doesnt deem my job tipworthy.

Ahh... so that's where all the anger and complete lack of empahty comes from...!

Lollipops23

I hate tipping culture in general. fair enough,if i felt that the service had gone above and beyond the call of duty,i'd feel like i wanted to give a lil something extra. but the looks of horror of you don't tip are ridiculous.

like,sometimes if i order a pizza,i honestly don't have the couple of quid extra for a tip as i havn't been to the atm. also,the food in most takeaways is too expensive and i resent having to dole out more money just because someone did their job right???they have a job, they should count themselves lucky!!

oppenheimer1

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Ahh... so that's where all the anger and complete lack of empahty comes from...!

It probably doesn't help that his "customers" are all scrounging hippy students.

McGrath5

I love this.........

Pygmalion

Overheal wrote: »

Unfortunately it is their own stupid fault.

Positions where tipping is common are regulated by common sense in the US. Every waitress knows her rights. She might work for tips, but it works just like Commission based pay: if you dont make enough tips/comission to cover the minimum wage, the employer (in the US anyway) is legally bound to pay the difference. This same idea applies to delivery drivers: they either make a huge haul or they make minimum wage. Theyre never exploited. Except, maybe for gas. Im not sure how it works with the big pizza chains. they probably have company insurance and all that.

that said I have a friend in nebraska who works as a waitress supervisor and she does about 20 hrs a week off the books supposedly to keep her job... I've tried telling her countless times not to put up with that ****.

So basically making a couple of dollars an hour in tips gets them the same minimum wage as the lazy ****er who makes everyone unhappy and gets none, and only the employer profits.
Definitely not exploited there.

Bob_Harris

The tipping culture should be stamped out of Ireland before it gets to be more common place.

It's not up to a customer to decide if a particular employee is being paid enough and compensate them on their supposedly underpaid job, it's up to the employer and employee to come to terms which suit them both.

orourkeda

It's not a tipping country. It's a tip of a country.

thegen

Tipping is at the discretion of the customer. If you dont want to tip dont. Most delivery guys are on the 2 or 3 euro delivery chsrge the fast food place charges plus tips. I tend to tipp but this week in a barders I did not because the girl took my tenner and put it in the till and the closed it without offering me my change. If she had she would have got a 3 euro tipp but because of her actions I asked for my change.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

It probably doesn't help that his "customers" are all scrounging hippy students.

Possibly. Hippy or not, students tend not to have a lot of money (apart form the D4 ones)

ejmaztec

In some places, you're too busy checking to see whether you've still got your shirt on your back, never mind leave a tip.:eek:

Dudess

I don't have a problem with tipping if the service is exceptionally, unusually good, but I don't think people should be rewarded for simply going through the motions of what they're employed to do anyway.
And why are only certain jobs deemed eligible for tips?

AckwelFoley

Degsy wrote: »

Boo fcuckin hoo.
I've got two words for them "learn to fcuckin type".

Ive a life tip for you degsy.

When you get pizza delivered to your house..always tip... if you dont your next pizza will probably be garnished with genital lice munching away on your pepperoni.

I dont tip generally except in resturants or the pizza guy.

mikemac

Any insurance form I've ever signed explicitly asks if I've driving for work including fast food delivery.
Are the fools of delivery drivers who work for under minimum wage declaring this to their insurance company? I think not! So I'll pay my 41% tax and levies while you work your nixer but don't ask for a tip

If they want to work off the books then go ahead, my 2.20 delivery charge that I was forced to pay is your tip.

As for pizza that have "free delivery" but are way cheaper if you collect them yourself, don't make me laugh. Everyone can see it's isn't free delivery

suzieb

I work delivering take away part time,mainly cos like so many other people,though I am still lucky to have a job i know,my hours in full time job and pay have been cut by 25% so I have to work part time.

I worked for 7 hours last night and earned €44,I dont believe people should feel obliged to tip at all,I don't do it myself unless I have a euro change coming back to me. I have yet to work with any drivers that "expect" a tip when delivering.

And degsy I find your comment quite rude about learning to type.You know not everyone that delivers food is an idiot who can't get a better job. Most of the people I work with have degrees and are in college part time. I also went to college so am not some gobshi*e who cannot turn on a computer.:mad:

Overheal

Pygmalion wrote: »

So basically making a couple of dollars an hour in tips gets them the same minimum wage as the lazy ****er who makes everyone unhappy and gets none, and only the employer profits.
Definitely not exploited there.

No, they're not. Thats my point. The irish workers we're talking about here though, are. They aren't in these agreements with their employers. They aren't on the books. And the employer pays them nothing often, aside from tips and maybe a delivery fee.

I don't even know if Ireland has a similar law to the US one on the books.

Hagar

strongr wrote: »

most delivery drivers from chippers and stuff arent on "the books" they get about 30 euro a night and make their money on tips. Now tip you stingy person!

Great point, well made. They are not on the books, they are paying no tax, they are probably claiming some form of social welfare benefit. Hell yes, give them your hard earned, taxed, levied cash.

stovelid

Bob_Harris wrote: »

it's up to the employer and employee to come to terms which suit them both.

Good luck with that.

Pygmalion

Overheal wrote: »

No, they're not. Thats my point. The irish workers we're talking about here though, are. They aren't in these agreements with their employers. They aren't on the books. And the employer pays them nothing often, aside from tips and maybe a delivery fee.

I don't even know if Ireland has a similar law to the US one on the books.

I think you missed the sarcasm, or chose to ignore it, I was pointing out that the tips go to the employer instead of the employees in those cases (unless there's a lot of tips) and that it's not fair that only the employer should benefit by the employees being tipped.
It would put me off tipping to be honest, I'd want my tip to be go to the person who actually does the work I'm tipping for, and not just benefit some smug employer who's delighted about how he has to give less of his money to the hard working employee.

randypriest

Correct me if im wrong but:

People who tip are happy to tip.
People who dont tip are happy not to tip.

Happy + Happy = Happy. So why are people so opinionated by such a matter?

If a person was being exploited by working under minimum wage or making minimum wage and struggling then I really dont see how thats my problem. I certainly wont pick up the shortfall by tipping.