Half Size Gas Bottles.

salamander27

While on holiers last month our 5kg bottle of gas ran out in Redcross in Wicklow. Luckily for us the shop across the road had some in stock so no trouble there. But afterwards I got thinking that a list should be drawn up of any shops/garages that usually have the small bottles in stock as I know they are few and far between. Maybe we could find a few for each county? I don't know of any around where I live (south galway). You have to order them in but they come in once a month so you wouldn't want to be relying on them.

So if the mods don't mind I'll start the list:

1. Wicklow, Redcross, Shop across from Campsite.

spaceHopper

Churchtown Stores Dublin 14

Donnchadh1

Ger Walter Fuels, Watch house Cross, Limerick

http://www.onthemap.ie/L-HH-0002

I have purchased in past in:

Esso Carrick-on-Shannon.
Charles Camping in Blessington, Co. Wicklow.

Not many petrol stations stock them it seems.

db

The Calor Kosangas depot in Whitegate in Cork will fill any size or type of bottle.

dowtchaboy

I pick up small bottles sometimes when at the dump sorry amenity centre 'cos it really annoys me to pay a "deposit" on the cylinder which you never get back! By the way Calor and FloGas/Ergas distributors should accept any size bottle in exchange for any other size so if ya want a small, filled bottle you can give them an empty domestic sized empty and not pay that deposit. Might not work with smaller retail places though.

Munster Bottled Gas Distributors Ltd, Dromkeen, Innishannon, Co. Cork Phone: (021) 4775541 will fill any size bottles (officially they are FloGas (Tervas??) distributors) and sell them too. Helpful people - though they are not always there so call first. (over the bridge, straight up the hill through the woods, on left)

The guys at BBQ/Gas Centre on Forge Hill, Cork will fill bottles too, even oddball German or other ones - though one friend's system was damaged when (he says) they filled a bottle to double correct capacity/pressure.

Wonder when we will see the lightweight bottles here? Or BP - now that would be good to have a common bottle available all over Europe!

salamander27

I usually keep an eye out for the half size bottles at the dump too. But i got a spare from my folks but there's nowhere handy around here to get them filled. Might take it to Limerick some day if i'm going that direction.

Thanks for all your help. These places will come in handy when we're on our travels in our little van.

List so far:

1. Wicklow, Redcross, Shop across from Campsite.
2. Churchtown Stores Dublin 14
3. Ger Walter Fuels, Watch house Cross, Limerick
4. Esso Carrick-on-Shannon.
5. Charles Camping in Blessington, Co. Wicklow
6. Calor Kosangas depot in Whitegate in Cork
7. Munster Bottled Gas Distributors Ltd, Dromkeen, Innishannon, Co. Cork
8. BBQ/Gas Centre on Forge Hill, Cork

irlpic

salamander27 wrote: »

List so far:

1. Wicklow, Redcross, Shop across from Campsite.
2. Churchtown Stores Dublin 14
3. Ger Walter Fuels, Watch house Cross, Limerick
4. Esso Carrick-on-Shannon.
5. Charles Camping in Blessington, Co. Wicklow
6. Calor Kosangas depot in Whitegate in Cork
7. Munster Bottled Gas Distributors Ltd, Dromkeen, Innishannon, Co. Cork
8. BBQ/Gas Centre on Forge Hill, Cork

9. Johnson's Caravans Letterkenny,Co.Donegal http://www.johnstonscaravans.ie/

dowtchaboy

Found a VERY useful place in Waterford:
Dunphy's on the Cork Road, near and opposite the Land Registry. In fact technically it might be the Tramore Road - it's where the roads diverge.

Small grocery - blink and you'll miss it - but they carry gas in full and half size bottles, and they have Propane full-size for screw-in AND clip-on ("normal") type regulators - and a very knowledgeable woman who knew exactly what I was talking about (whereas Woodies, the local filling stations and B&Q hadn't a clue). Seem to be open early to quite late. They have groceries too! (and maybe a post office??)

GPS reference: N 52.2518, W 7.11706

Aidan_M_M

they're normally quite expensive compared to the full size bottle aren't they?

spaceHopper

Aidan_M_M wrote: »

they're normally quite expensive compared to the full size bottle aren't they?

less than 25 euross in Churchtown Stores in dublin

Aidan_M_M

Crikey... a full size is only around 30.

dowtchaboy

But a full size bottle is twice the weight of gas - at €28-€29 (which is over twice what it costs in France!)

If anybody in Cork needs an empty half sized bottle drop me a PM - I have a couple to spare.

Am heading down soon to Innishannon to get my collection of full and half sized bottles filled (with Propane) for van, BBQ and patio-heater - will let you know what it costs.

spaceHopper

Aidan_M_M wrote: »

Crikey... a full size is only around 30.

In fair ness to them I don't know the correct price think it's about 22, plus they are very good to deal with.

salamander27

We recently got 2 1/2 bottles from Ger Walter in Limerick. I think they were about 20 euro each. But calor have changed there design of bottle so that they are a few inches taller and now only just fit into the press in our van, luckily!
The flo-gas empty I found, was way too tall but he took it and gave me a calor one.:)

Tabnabs

Harbour Stores in Bray (right down in the harbour) are another place for all sizes and types of gas bottles & cylinders.

deckie27

They Stock them in Navan
Navan Fuel and Coal
Cost 33 for the bottle and 17-18 for a refill

dowtchaboy

Outrageous price for an empty bottle though (€15 I presume).
They often turn up at the dump (they will be in a cage or secure area).

At one shop I was told they would take a large empty as swap for a small one - (now those are easy to find) - at another they did not want to know.

spaceHopper

dowtchaboy wrote: »

Outrageous price for an empty bottle though (€15 I presume).
They often turn up at the dump (they will be in a cage or secure area).

At one shop I was told they would take a large empty as swap for a small one - (now those are easy to find) - at another they did not want to know.

Was up at Ballyrogan near Carringmines today getting rid of some old electrical stuff - picked up a 2.75 kg Camping gaz almost full weighs 4.2kg, bit of light surface rust on it but it's fine I've seen wourse. They had the 11 kg yellow bottles and a small NI blue one, some guy was dumping a small gey pattio heater one.

Jolly Days

Also available at the camping shop at Wolohans Silver Strand Caravan Park @ Silver Strand near Wicklow Town

studiorat

Jolly Days wrote: »

Also available at the camping shop at Wolohans Silver Strand Caravan Park @ Silver Strand near Wicklow Town

Spent my childhood on that beach. Can't believe I'm actually interested in where to get gas bottles after that stint. Good to know though. Do they still allow tents and campers in the second field?

spaceHopper

spaceHopper wrote: »

In fair ness to them I don't know the correct price think it's about 22, plus they are very good to deal with.

Was in Churchtown stores and checked the price it's 18 euros.

dowtchaboy

I'll have to take Munster Bottled Gas in Inishannon off my personal recommended list - they charged me €1 more on each bottle than my local shop for a Full bottle of Propane and small bottle of Butane ! They do have small click-on bottles of butane, and large bottles of Butane and Propane, and can refill standard bottles with Propane, but they have switched to a "computerised" system which sets the weight and so cannot accommodate foreign or odd-ball bottles any more.
The guys up on Forge Hill (BarBQue Centre) tell me they can handle and refill anything - haven't used them yet though.

killalanerr

spaceHopper wrote: »

Was in Churchtown stores and checked the price it's 18 euros.

i need a refill now is their anywhere in north Dublin where they can be got or failing what is the address of the store in churchtown

spaceHopper

killalanerr wrote: »

i need a refill now is their anywhere in north Dublin where they can be got or failing what is the address of the store in churchtown

It's in Church town D14 next to a Kia Gurage along by a load of shops including Supervalue and the churchtown driving test centre.

http://www.build.ie/company_479801.htm

Take the M50 come off at exit 13.

Take the first exit off the round about for Rathfarmnum

then the second tight (near Lidl)

keep going down hill, you should pass nutgrove shoping centre.

Go stright trough the next set of lights

keep going till you hit the end of the road at a cross roads, take a right and drive 500 meteres they should be on your left.

ironbluedun

Nolans' hardware in Clontarf Dublin have half size bottles. €33.5 for 5kg gas bottle and €20 for re-fill total €53.5 to buy new full bottle.

killalanerr

turned out mine is a 6kg propane the screw in type which is a different fish altogether it can be got here for £13 http://www.build.co.uk/company_277681.htm ,sure ill make a weekend out of the spin over to get it :rolleyes:

John Dough

Got one in Kilcock Esso station beside the cop shop recently €17 just for a reserve as the larger 11kg one is more economical at €26.;)

norma.h

What sort of gas would this be? We have a 4.5k blue Calor Gas in our van and found this hard to find whilst over in Cork/Kerry/Clare from Cornwall,tho have been told it's available further North. We also have a 2.72 k Camping Gaz cylinder if necessary but don't know how easy this is either!
Somewhere on this forum there's a thread about different gases available in Ireland but have tried searching for it with no luck (and even less expertise!)

dowtchaboy

norma.h wrote: »

What sort of gas would this be? We have a 4.5k blue Calor Gas in our van and found this hard to find whilst over in Cork/Kerry/Clare from Cornwall,tho have been told it's available further North. We also have a 2.72 k Camping Gaz cylinder if necessary but don't know how easy this is either!
Somewhere on this forum there's a thread about different gases available in Ireland but have tried searching for it with no luck (and even less expertise!)

The Blue Calor bottle is UK only - and Northern Ireland uses same bottles as Republic.

It may well be possible to get your UK Blue bottle refilled - and yes there was a thread about it somewhere here.

FYI: I found this information on the Inland Waterways forum (as they obviously get UK boats needing blue bottles too):
I guess for anyone in need it might be worth checking along the Shannon marinas or indeed the Canals.

http://www.iwai.ie/forum/read.php?1,13135,13255

Here are bits I lifted from that IWAI site:

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I can fill almost any gas cylinder , I'm based in Bray Co. Wicklow give me a call at 01 2860254 or check out www.braygas.com

Paul

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Lawless' in Athlone (beside the B&Q store) have them (i.e. have Blue ones for sale I think)

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DOLAN MARKETING LTD, 7 CASTLEMAIN ST. ATHLONE, 090 6475767.
HAVE THEM. bring in empty with you. i get them there all the time.

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The is a Gas supplier in Athlone that fills them on the spot, they are past Costume Barracks as you head out of the Town near Shines. In Dublin I use ACME in Prussia Street.

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(I am not clear about these previous 2 mentioned - ie will they refill the Blue ones or just Irish ones)

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A couple of additional stockists of the small blue UK cylinders come to mind ...

Portaneena Marina/Chatterton's have stocked then in the past.
The fuel merchant at Bray Harbour has had them in stock too.

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Here's some info from someone who seems to know something:

Hi List,

There are a number of Propane/Butane regulators and the sizes are important to make a connection to your cylinder.

In Ireland we use the Kosan type generally in two diameters 35mm and 27mm usually the 27mm is for Butane.
Industrial/ Domestic Large cylinders use the POL connection( A Cone shaped Left Hand thread 5/8" BSP)
We also use a Flat faced connection of 20mm thread.


Uk do not use the Kosan Type but it is used on, Northern/Southern Irish, Norweigan, Spanish and Portugese gas cylinders.

UK have 3 sizes in Clip on Regulators 20,21 & 27mm

Camping Gaz have there own screw in type adaptor.

Now if your cylinder locker will take the Irish size, 5kg or 15kg,cylinder I suggest you change over as it is much easier to get refills.

To change from Flat Face to POL is straightforward with a simple adaptor on to the cylinder.

With others you have the problem of making the hose connection from cylinder to your gas inlet. this may be a electric shut off valve or whatever so you need a "Pigtail" with the correct connection on each end of the hose to go from the cylinder to your control unit. regulators come with a selecion of connections. Normally a Nozzle for connection with a hose or with various threaded ends,1/4, 3/8 & 1/2" bsp, W20 male etc

Needless to add a word of caution here and that is to make sure you make any connections properly with "Gas PTFE Yellow" tape not the "White" water quality normally sold as sealing tape, great for water and air but gas is different.

McManus in Athlone will only fill cylinders with the Kosan type valves.

Give me a ring off list with any other queries you might have 087 279 0169

Pat Morrissey / íde Rowe

"Colibri"
Athlone

Note this guy is a boater, not a camper so he might not take kindly to us poo' folks calling him!

By the way - if you do have to go buy a regulator - check hardware stores and farmers coops - I have seen regulators for €8 or so there whereas official Calor agent wanted nearly €30!
I happen to have a full Blue UK bottle here - but I am in Cork, alas.

zdan1916

dowtchaboy wrote: »

But a full size bottle is twice the weight of gas - at €28-€29 (which is over twice what it costs in France!)

If anybody in Cork needs an empty half sized bottle drop me a PM - I have a couple to spare.

Am heading down soon to Innishannon to get my collection of full and half sized bottles filled (with Propane) for van, BBQ and patio-heater - will let you know what it costs.

Hi dowtchaboy, if you still have a spare half as bottle going would love it, could pick-up any time suits you. cheers dan

dowtchaboy

zdan1916 wrote: »

Hi dowtchaboy, if you still have a spare half as bottle going would love it, could pick-up any time suits you. cheers dan

Sorry Dan - they are gone. I'll keep an eye out when next at the recycling in Raffeen - they often turn up there (in the cage with all the gas bottles - some of them full!)

salamander27

Also look out for any blue propane half size bottles as you can swap the at the depots for yellow ones like I did! Now I've got three!

Wattyyachtie

Small (5kg) cylinders available in the Hardware (Marine Suppliers) on Howth Pier too.

guitard

Anyone know of a supplier of half size gas bottles in or close to Mayo?

bluethunder

I have two bottles in my van, both are yellow and roughly half the size of normal bottles. Is it a lot cheaper in France to get them filled? Plenty of outlets? Going there in May and reckon i've enough in the tank to do me until then.

db

bluethunder wrote: »

I have two bottles in my van, both are yellow and roughly half the size of normal bottles. Is it a lot cheaper in France to get them filled? Plenty of outlets? Going there in May and reckon i've enough in the tank to do me until then.

If your bottles are the 5KG Butane bottles then you will probably not be able to get them filled abroad.

bluethunder

db wrote: »

If your bottles are the 5KG Butane bottles then you will probably not be able to get them filled abroad.

Ok, must have a closer look at the bottles and see what i'm dealing with. Cheers.

moodrater

guitard wrote: »

Anyone know of a supplier of half size gas bottles in or close to Mayo?

I was quoted €80 for a new filled cylinder in athlone, just found the 6kg gaslow refillable ones for €108 which make more sense so invest in. Thought it was free delivery too but its free delivery over €100+VAT http://www.gasproducts.ie/acatalog/Gaslow_6kg_Refillable_Cylinder_with_Level_Gauge.html Just enquired to see if they have a direct fill adapter for ireland

bluethunder

moodrater wrote: »

I was quoted €80 for a new filled cylinder in athlone, just found the 6kg gaslow refillable ones for €108 which make more sense so invest in. Thought it was free delivery too but its free delivery over €100+VAT http://www.gasproducts.ie/acatalog/Gaslow_6kg_Refillable_Cylinder_with_Level_Gauge.html Just enquired to see if they have a direct fill adapter for ireland

:eek: Over 100 euro for a gas bottle??? Is this right?? Other people were quoting prices in or around the 20-30 mark earlier in the thread. Am I missing something? My bottles look like the ones in the link but can't understand how they could be so much more expensive than a normal-sized bottle.

bluethunder

Just got on to the local Forge Hill Gas Centre in Cork, they will refill a half bottle with propane for €21.50.

moodrater

bluethunder wrote: »

:eek: Over 100 euro for a gas bottle??? Is this right?? Other people were quoting prices in or around the 20-30 mark earlier in the thread. Am I missing something? My bottles look like the ones in the link but can't understand how they could be so much more expensive than a normal-sized bottle.

€20-€30 is for a refill and don't expect to get that price on achill island or cahersiveen even if you can find a bottle.

€108 euro is for a new empty refillable gas bottle with integrated safety valve that cuts off filling at 80% and integrated level gauge, you fill it yourself at a car lpg point which works out at 70c - 1.20c per liter depending on where you buy - cheaper than that everywhere else in europe.

To put that in perspective a large campingaz refill (907) costs about €80 new and refills works out €4-€6 per liter of gas depending on what robber you buy it from.

The half size bottle costs minimum €50 new if you don't have an empty - I was quoted €80 - and works out at €1.90 per liter to €2.70 per liter at the refill prices mentioned above.

small absorption fridge - 0.5l/day
2 burner hob 0.4l/hour
smev oven 0.14l/hour
truma water heater 0.22l/hour
small trumatic heater up to 0.5l/hour

bluethunder wrote: »

Just got on to the local Forge Hill Gas Centre in Cork, they will refill a half bottle with propane for €21.50.

Used them before they refill for the shops €21.50 works out at €1.82/liter which is good if you live near there, refillable would be €9.50 - €14 to refill yourself.

bluethunder

moodrater wrote: »

€20-€30 is for a refill and don't expect to get that price on achill island or cahersiveen even if you can find a bottle.

€108 euro is for a new empty refillable gas bottle with integrated safety valve that cuts off filling at 80% and integrated level gauge, you fill it yourself at a car lpg point which works out at 70c - 1.20c per liter depending on where you buy - cheaper than that everywhere else in europe.

To put that in perspective a large campingaz refill (907) costs about €80 new and refills works out €4-€6 per liter of gas depending on what robber you buy it from.

The half size bottle costs minimum €50 new if you don't have an empty - I was quoted €80 - and works out at €1.90 per liter to €2.70 per liter at the refill prices mentioned above.

small absorption fridge - 0.5l/day
2 burner hob 0.4l/hour
smev oven 0.14l/hour
truma water heater 0.22l/hour
small trumatic heater up to 0.5l/hour




Used them before they refill for the shops €21.50 works out at €1.82/liter which is good if you live near there, refillable would be €9.50 - €14 to refill yourself.

Cool, thanks for clearing that up. I can see how the refillable would be useful for heavy gas users but we're not so will stick with the half bottles for now. Filling at LPG at any petrol station is a nice advantage though.

blackhound

You can get them in kenny's petrol station in Potumna, it's just on the edge of town near the bridge.

moodrater

Spoke to a calor delivery fella having his lunch in our local petrol station, he said correct charge for 4.5kg butane is about €18 and bottle charge is something like €33.95 so the guy in athlone I was speaking to was pocketing nearly €30 grrr.

holyhutzpa

I also had one of the German / European 5kg bottles in my van, and will be looking to get something similarly sized to replace it with. I went to the gas depot out in Tallaght and they gave me a 4.5kg blue butane(?) bottle, but it sounds like they're not very common either.

Is there anywhere that definitely still refills small bottles with odd adaptors for a reasonable price ?

If I was to get a new regulator anyway, which one would be more common for this half size? Is it something like this push on adaptor as mentioned somewhere in this thread?
http://www.outdoorbits.com/gaslow-jumbo-adaptor-1671-p-988.html

Is that for propane too?
Also, does anyone carry two ? (In case of emergencies - or if you didn't want to wait until you ran out to refill)

Does anyone use camping gaz instead (this seems comparitively expensive)

If i get a standard bottle to exchange for the mini-one, is there anywhere in Dublin that will definitely do that?

Thanks in advance!

John Dough

I have a half size 6kg refrigerant bottle does anyone know if I can get it filled with propane gas instead to use it in my caravan as I need a spare.
It is definitely empty.

John Dough

holyhutzpa wrote: »

I also had one of the German / European 5kg bottles in my van, and will be looking to get something similarly sized to replace it with. I went to the gas depot out in Tallaght and they gave me a 4.5kg blue butane(?) bottle, but it sounds like they're not very common either.

Is there anywhere that definitely still refills small bottles with odd adaptors for a reasonable price ?

If I was to get a new regulator anyway, which one would be more common for this half size? Is it something like this push on adaptor as mentioned somewhere in this thread?
http://www.outdoorbits.com/gaslow-jumbo-adaptor-1671-p-988.html

Is that for propane too?
Also, does anyone carry two ? (In case of emergencies - or if you didn't want to wait until you ran out to refill)

Does anyone use camping gaz instead (this seems comparitively expensive)

If i get a standard bottle to exchange for the mini-one, is there anywhere in Dublin that will definitely do that?

Thanks in advance!

If you still need to get it filled bring it to calor in Longmile Road they used to exchange them for new ones for about 20euro.
The autogas stations have been told NOT to fill any cylinders by Flogas even authorised refillable ones. They still want to get you at the higher price.

RiderOnTheStorm

The Gas Works, Tralee have a great selection, and will fill a half bottle for ya. Had to leave a friends bottle in, and will collect next week. Not ideal if you are in a hurry! Will let y'all know what it costs when I collect it.

Ed9

Still get the small bottles in Navan