All-Ireland Hurling Final - Kilkenny v Tipperary

CyberDave

Who will win this one? I think Tipp may run them close, but Kilkenny will prevail in the end.

soccymonster

Kilkenny.

JamieK

Think if our 6 forwards gel together again and play fluid hurling like they did in patches today we could do it...and I think that Sheedy has the right 6 backs too...possibly Shane Maher in place of Brendan Maher who I thought did well today.

Still not happy with woodlock in midfield and McGrath had an uncharacteristic bad game today...

...Tipp by 2 in a goal fest!!

MickTipp

i think tipp will cause a suprise and win by a point or 2

road_high

Will be close that's for sure. Tipp put on a display today but remember, against a poor limerick team. Will Kilkenny concede 6 goals? Unlikely I'd think. They are a formidable team in any mans language.

Profiler

Kilkenny will win it. I'd like to think it will still be up for grabs with 5 to 10 mins to go but I can't see it happening.

jumpguy

If I were to place a bet in the bookies I'd put Kilkenny as favourites, no doubt. Kilkenny are looking best and I'd say they'd win but I love an underdog and will be supporting Tipperary.

entropi

I'm thinking Tipp might edge it in by at most 3 points, and good luck to them as they'll need it:)

suitcasepink

MickTipp wrote: »

i think tipp will cause a suprise and win by a point or 2

Really!? I can't look past a Kilkenny win at all.
I mean correct me if im wrong but this is the first championship match all year yee haven't let a team back into the game. And with all respect you played a Limerick team that was just as dire as us in the first match.

I'm not saying it's just yee though, I think whoever went into the all ireland aginst them will be slaughtered. I feel they were there to be beaten up to now but I expect them to be all guns blazing and a hammering wouldn't surprise me. Again not aginst Tipp personally but any team including Waterford would lose to them im sure come sep. 6

Good luck to yee though, I always go for the underdog even when i don't expect them to win.

Orizio

This is about as good a chance that Tipp have gotten in beating KK in years. Tipp by 2.

dewdrop

Its hard to believe that Kilkenny and Tipp have only met once in an all Ireland for past 20 years and the result of that one was....

Daysha

Sorry, just can't see Tipp winning this one, maybe a year or two too soon for these lads. The Kilkenny players will be watching todays match absolutely relishing the prospect of coming up against these Tipp forwards, and we'll see some epic match-ups as a result.

I don't think Kilkenny are as good as they were last year, but as was proved last year in the final, experience will be absolutely crucial for a match like this. They'll also be absolutely huge pressure on the shoulders of the Tipp guys for the next few weeks, and while I'm certain some of those younger guys will be seeing All-Ireland success sometime in their careers, Kilkenny should win with a few to spare.

road_high

dewdrop wrote: »

Its hard to believe that Kilkenny and Tipp have only met once in an all Ireland for past 20 years and the result of that one was....

Completely different team though. This one has won 3 of the last finals in arow. In '91 KK had not been in a final since 83 I think (not 100% on that though). They are far far more ruthless, athletic and phsical than back in those days. Absolutely no comparison

MickTipp

Daysha wrote: »

They'll also be absolutely huge pressure on the shoulders of the Tipp guys .

there is gona be far far far more pressure on the shoulers of the kilkenny lads, killkenny are going into the final expecting to win the 4 in a row which hasnt been done before!

tipp go in as underdogs with little pressure realy on them

road_high

MickTipp wrote: »

there is gona be far far far more pressure on the shoulers of the kilkenny lads, killkenny are going into the final expecting to win the 4 in a row which hasnt been done before!

tipp go in as underdogs with little pressure realy on them

Definitely not "expecting"! I don't think they have got to where they are based on expectations. They have just been there so many times in recent years. If anything all this talk of Tipp in with a better of chance of anyone beating Kilkenny puts Tipp under an even heavier weight of expectation.

CyberDave

I think it could turn out to be one of the best finals we have seen in a long time. Well, I hope it does anyway. I don't really mind who wins in this one. If Kilkenny win it, it will put them down in history as the best hurling team ever and if Tipp win it, they will be remembered as the team who stopped Kilkennys attempt at 4-in-a-row, like Offaly have been when they stopped Kerrys 5-in-a-row in 1982.

MickTipp

mfitzy wrote: »

Definitely not "expecting"! I don't think they have got to where they are based on expectations. They have just been there so many times in recent years. If anything all this talk of Tipp in with a better of chance of anyone beating Kilkenny puts Tipp under an even heavier weight of expectation.

nope cant agree with ya there,
there is far more pressure on killkenny, theres a 4 in a row at stake for god sake
the ''experts'' will say tipp will have a chance but killkenny will still win.

i bet ya anything now on the sunday game this evenin that the likes if finnerty wont give tipp the credit they deserve

road_high

MickTipp wrote: »

nope cant agree with ya there,
there is far more pressure on killkenny, theres a 4 in a row at stake for god sake
the ''experts'' will say tipp will have a chance but killkenny will still win.

i bet ya anything now on the sunday game this evenin that the likes if finnerty wont give tipp the credit they deserve

You're missing my point; Kilkenny have been here so many times in the past few years. Sure you could say the same last year about Kilkenny and the 3 in a row pressure. Many of the Tipp panel have never played in the all ireland, they are so young.

BTW no sign of Pete Finnerty on the panel

CyberDave

MickTipp wrote: »

nope cant agree with ya there,
there is far more pressure on killkenny, theres a 4 in a row at stake for god sake
the ''experts'' will say tipp will have a chance but killkenny will still win.

The pressure won't bother Kilkenny in the slightest. All-Ireland final day is the norm to them, they have been there for the last three years. They don't have to prove anything. Everybody knows they are a great team. Unless Tipperary go and win an All-Ireland with this team they will never get any credit. Teams are gauged on the amount of All-Irelands they win. I know Tipp expect to be winning All-Irelands more regular than they have been recently. If Tipp don't beat Kilkenny, nobody will remember in 20 years time that Tipp NEARLY beat Kilkenny in the 2009 All-Ireland final. A lot of the Tipp players haven't played in an All-Ireland before and the occasion may get to them. Look at what happened Waterford last year. But, on the other hand, Tipp are capable of really getting in Kilkennys faces as we seen in the League final and the mileage on the Kilkenny clocks has to catch up with them sometime, I hope it does.

dartbhoy

Even though Limerick were poor today Tipperary put on a majestic performance today for the whole 70 minutes. Today Tipp showed their true mettle and produced a performance that was worthy of winning an All Ireland. If the team play for 70 minutes and produce a similar performance of today and match the intensity of Kilkenny there's no reason why Tipp can't win the All Ireland. Tipp to win by 3 points but a good bet could be the draw,50 years since the last All Ireland hurling final draw!

corny

Kilkenny to win very very comfortably. If Tipp are still in it at halftime i'd be surprised.

grenache

I think Tipp have the always had the ability, but now they have to confidence too, to really put it up to Kilkenny in the final. I still think however that Kilkenny will do it, just about, by 3 points or less. I hope for hurling's sake that its a good clean game and a Tipp victory, but its very hard not to see Kilkenny doing 4 in a row.

Colm R

We are in bad need of a good final, and this is the best chance of it for a long time.

Kilkenny can manage the pressure, so its not an issue.

Tipp have no pressure on them.


I'm going to go for Kilkenny, confirming them as the greatest team ever. (That is hard for me to say)

But I pray to God its close and exciting.

_LilyRose_

:rolleyes:
Kilkenny, duh.

grenache

_LilyRose_ wrote: »

:rolleyes:
Kilkenny, duh.

A Kilkenny woman by any chance?

SIBHCHEVIE

I wouldn't say the end of the stroy has been written at all. Despite the fact that Tipp had an uncontested match yesterday I think they will be a completely different team against us on All Ireland Final day. Tipperary always up try and up their game against us and I have no doubt they will.

I think it will be a close match and there will only be a few points in it. One thing is for sure Cody has to make up his mind about Noel Hickey as I think he is crucial to the strength of the full back line and this is one of the reasons why we havn't been at full strength this year, its obvious looking at JJ Delaney that he is more comfortable in the half back line.

All I can say is hopefully we can pull it off but one things for sure its going to be one of the best finals we've had in a few years.

dewdrop

I know some people have little time for history but it is worth noting that since Cork's four in a row in the early forties Tipp and Kilkenny have met in 6 All Irelands and the Home of Hurling have won on 5 occasions. Not bad

brandon_flowers

Tipp are in the perfect position to beat Kilkenny and the only way that they will beat Kilkenny is skill and quick hands. All the players have it in abundance, even Paddy Stapleton hurled a ball yesterday and only had it in his hands for a quarter of a second. It stops lads like Tommy Walsh and Cha getting in blocks and hooks like they do against most teams. I think it will be very close, frees will be important but I dont see Shefflin or Kelly missing too many.

The other thing is Tipp's bench is every bit as strong as Kilkenny's. Shane Maher, Benny Dunne, Paul Kelly and Willie Ryan are every bit as good as TJ Reid, Richie Hogan or anyone Kilkenny have to bring on.

Depp

Id say tipp have the beatings of the cats...but iv been wrong before

premierstone

Tipp can definitely win this, KK backs have looked very vunerable this year and starting Hickey in the AI final would be abig risk, I would be alot more confident if we had a second midfielder because to me Woodlock just isnt up to the standard required, should be some very interesting ariel battles John O'Brien against Tommy Walsh should be a cracker, two of the best fielders in the game.

GerB40

I really think Tipp can win this one. Waterford proved that they're not invincible and Tipp proved they can decimate a team (even if they were having a bad day) With about ten minutes left at croke park a couple of Limerick lads came up to me and my friends and said "Just do us a favour and beat Kilkenny". This is our year.

Erin Go Brath

Tipp shouldn't be getting carried away with a facile win over Limerick. However if Tipp score a few early goals (and i think the KK full back line are beatable) they could rattle the cats and then all bets are off. I really think Tipp will have to go for a few early goals. If they trade point for point then Kilkenny will outscore them and pull away eventually. My gut feeling is Kilkenny will win, this Kilkenny team has been there done that brought the t-shirt. Tipp haven't been to a final since '01 and will have to factor in nerves, hype after a big sf win and other factors. I do hope Tipperary win but i'm sceptical about whether they will have the stuff on the day.

smileeey

This is one class tipp team,
who i am sure will make their
county proud on Sept 6th win or lose..

ladies and gentlemen we are in for a
cracker of a game!!

C'mon the premier ye feckin legends!

soccymonster

Tipp have a chance of beating kilkenny alright. But have they gotten over their "black-outs" during games yet? We cant safely say that they have as limerick were really poor on sunday.

deccy15

Tipp 6-19 Kilkenny 5-21 :D:D

Daysha

All jokes aside, I'm sticking a few quid on Tipp getting absolutely trounced in the final. I'm not saying it will definitely happen, and I hope for the good of hurling it doesn't happen, but nobody could've predicted the size of the win Kilkenny had last year against us or Tipp against Limerick last week, and it's not outside the realms of possibility that the pressure could get to Tipp and collapse. Kilkenny are 13/1 to win by 13-15 points and 14/1 to win by more than 16, both good odds imo.

Outside of that, Eddie Brennan to get the first goal at 13/2 is good value, as is Lar Corbett to get the last goal at 15/2.

ShamoBuc

Tipp can put if upto KK and have the forwards to score enough to stick with them throughout the game. I don't think KK will run away with this one. The AIF could be a similar game to the league final, and Tip did not have a certain forward that day that will score more than his fair share. Tip by two points

Alfie Boon

Tipp have not got a snowballs chance in hell against the cats and I have to laugh at Tipp peoples bragging about their record in finals v KK... The present kk team are a different animal.
Look at the league final for a pointer...5 missing from the previous September,Tipp threw the sink at them and still could not best them.And that was in their own backyard!! with Henry sent off as well!!
Tipp are a good team but KK will not let them deny them the 4 in the row.
Not a hope,imho.
I can see alot of young Tipp lads getting rattled by the occasion

deccy15

Alfie Boon wrote: »

Tipp have not got a snowballs chance in hell against the cats and I have to laugh at Tipp peoples bragging about their record in finals v KK... The present kk team are a different animal.
Look at the league final for a pointer...5 missing from the previous September,Tipp threw the sink at them and still could not best them.And that was in their own backyard!! with Henry sent off as well!!
Tipp are a good team but KK will not let them deny them the 4 in the row.
Not a hope,imho.
I can see alot of young Tipp lads getting rattled by the occasion

as much as it pains me to say this bein a clare man, tipp don't choke on the big days. most of this tipp team will have played in front of 70+ thousand in AI minor finals, this is a classy tipp outfit who will at the worst run KK very close. tipp by 3 or 4 if they get a good start!!

JamieK

Alfie Boon wrote: »

Tipp have not got a snowballs chance in hell against the cats and I have to laugh at Tipp peoples bragging about their record in finals v KK... The present kk team are a different animal.
Look at the league final for a pointer...5 missing from the previous September,Tipp threw the sink at them and still could not best them.And that was in their own backyard!! with Henry sent off as well!!
Tipp are a good team but KK will not let them deny them the 4 in the row.
Not a hope,imho.
I can see alot of young Tipp lads getting rattled by the occasion

I do believe he wasn't playing that great then anyway...stepped over the sideline losing a goal for them, a brilliant goal chance only for a cummins wonder save...got a point if i remember correctly and was kept quiet by maher and whoever else...and if I remember correctly a Mr. Fanning was sent off earlier than that!

...quietly confident

offalyman

Has to be kilkenny for me. With the exception of sunday Tipp have been letting in big scores, think it was averaging 1-19 a game til then. Their backline we're tested sunday by a poor Limerick team. KK's physical power up front is very hard to cope with. Each of the 6 forwards are capable of winning any match on their day. They are a fairly complete team all over! Can't see past KK at all

LeoB

Think this will be a classic after a nervous and maybe wild opening 5 minutes. I am not a fan of Tipp (being from Leinster) and I didnt like the way they approached the League final. You wont beat Kilkenny by trying to knock them around and Tipp on the day had the Hurlers to win. This could hamper them in the final if they have any slight doubts

Kilkenny are there for the taking if a team can hit the ground running, and if Lar Corbett or Kelly can get some early scores Tipp could really cause K.K some serious trouble.

Also Think Brian Cody would like to have the scalp of this (or any) Tipp side in an All-Ireland final.

I voted for Kilkenny. Think they will only just creep home.

soccymonster

deccy15 wrote: »

Tipp 6-19 Kilkenny 5-21 :D:D

tipp get 6 goals against kilkenny :eek: !
What are you on?

dotsflan

if hickey is fully fit and starts at full back, i cant see tipp winning because he will shore up the kk full back that has been leaking goals this year, IMO he's the best full back in the business. and jj delaney will then be an option to strenghten up the half back line where he is more at home. If hickey plays, then i reckon kk by 7pts! If he's not il go for a draw:pac:

premierstone

Alfie Boon wrote: »

Tipp have not got a snowballs chance in hell against the cats and I have to laugh at Tipp peoples bragging about their record in finals v KK... The present kk team are a different animal.
Look at the league final for a pointer...5 missing from the previous September,Tipp threw the sink at them and still could not best them.And that was in their own backyard!! with Henry sent off as well!!
Tipp are a good team but KK will not let them deny them the 4 in the row.
Not a hope,imho.
I can see alot of young Tipp lads getting rattled by the occasion

You say that KK were missing 5 but you fail to mention that Tipp were missing 6 of their expected starting 15 for the AI

Henry Shefflin got sent off because he got frustrated at been bet up a stick by a 19 year old who caught 4 balls in a row over he's head.

You then mention that alot of the Tipp lads will be rattled by the ocassion, please enlighten us to who you think this will happen to, would it perhaps be the aforementioned Paraic Maher who apart from the league final also held Joe Canning scoreless in a minor AI, or maybe Noel McGrath YHOTY elect, or maybe you were thinking minor AI winniing captain Brendan Maher?? :rolleyes:

If I was you I would concentrate a bit more on your own teams performance, with a goalkeeper who has made one save in about 6 years, a corner back who moves slower than the traffic at the red cow on AI final day and a full back thats leaking goals at an alarming rate

deccy15

soccymonster wrote: »

tipp get 6 goals against kilkenny :eek: !
What are you on?

note the smiley faces bud!! was just sayin that it will be a high scoring game!!!:rolleyes:

soccymonster

deccy15 wrote: »

note the smiley faces bud!! was just sayin that it will be a high scoring game!!!:rolleyes:

well im not great at reading in between the lines. Was taking that as your prediction...6 goals like?! Knew the tipp forwards were good but that good?

Alfie Boon

premierstone wrote: »

You say that KK were missing 5 but you fail to mention that Tipp were missing 6 of their expected starting 15 for the AI

Henry Shefflin got sent off because he got frustrated at been bet up a stick by a 19 year old who caught 4 balls in a row over he's head.

You then mention that alot of the Tipp lads will be rattled by the ocassion, please enlighten us to who you think this will happen to, would it perhaps be the aforementioned Paraic Maher who apart from the league final also held Joe Canning scoreless in a minor AI, or maybe Noel McGrath YHOTY elect, or maybe you were thinking minor AI winniing captain Brendan Maher?? :rolleyes:

If I was you I would concentrate a bit more on your own teams performance, with a goalkeeper who has made one save in about 6 years, a corner back who moves slower than the traffic at the red cow on AI final day and a full back thats leaking goals at an alarming rate

What you say may indeed be spot on but I'd ask the question that if your team is as good as you make out,how come Waterford bet them last year and went on to be hammered in the final?
How come you could not beat us in Thurles,not to mention Nowlan park?:D
I'll tell you why....Because they are not good enough,thats why and expect the difference to be rammed home in september;)

premierstone

Alfie Boon wrote: »

What you say may indeed be spot on but I'd ask the question that if your team is as good as you make out,how come Waterford bet them last year and went on to be hammered in the final?
How come you could not beat us in Thurles,not to mention Nowlan park?:D
I'll tell you why....Because they are not good enough,thats why and expect the difference to be rammed home in september;)

Firstly where have I said how great Tipp are, as you have implied?? Please stick to the facts!

I will discuss the game here with any open minded person who attempts to show even any resemblence of knowledge or respect but I wont be replying to anymore of your childish efforts, tbh Id say what you know about hurling I could write on the back of a stamp.

Apologies Mods if this is off topic and OTT but this ''we're better than you'' crap annoys me no end.

JamieK

premierstone wrote: »

...but this ''we're better than you'' crap annoys me no end.

Try live right on the border!

NEVER shut up like...just show them a football...it confuses them

adrian522

premierstone wrote: »

You say that KK were missing 5 but you fail to mention that Tipp were missing 6 of their expected starting 15 for the AI

Henry Shefflin got sent off because he got frustrated at been bet up a stick by a 19 year old who caught 4 balls in a row over he's head.

You then mention that alot of the Tipp lads will be rattled by the ocassion, please enlighten us to who you think this will happen to, would it perhaps be the aforementioned Paraic Maher who apart from the league final also held Joe Canning scoreless in a minor AI, or maybe Noel McGrath YHOTY elect, or maybe you were thinking minor AI winniing captain Brendan Maher?? :rolleyes:

If I was you I would concentrate a bit more on your own teams performance, with a goalkeeper who has made one save in about 6 years, a corner back who moves slower than the traffic at the red cow on AI final day and a full back thats leaking goals at an alarming rate

Jaysus, hit a nerve there did she?

Sorry but league finals and minor games don't compare to all irelands and any player can freeze on the big day. Just look at Waterford last year a team full of experienced inter county players.

I certainly wouldn't read too much into the league final other than to say the two teams look fairly evenly matched.

From a Kilkenny Point of View I'd worry about the Full back line. They have been leaking goals all year and JJ doesn't look like a full back. I don't think Hickey will start as he was deemed fit for the semi but didn't play, and wasn't overly impressive for the club at the weekend.

Having said that I'd like to see Hogan go full back and Tennyson Centre back with JJ reverting to 7, that would give the backs much better shape.
Cha hasn't really caught fire this year either though he will probably start alongside Rice in midfield,

the forwards will start as the last day with TJ Reid and Hogan on the bench.

I don't get your criticism of the goalkeeper either, 1 save in 6 years? He went through all last year without conceding a goal and very rarely makes a mistake, though maybe not as flashy as some other goal keepers he's still solid.

Absolutely can't wait for this final, hope Kilkenny win but either way this Tipp team will one one in the next few years.

Kilkenny to outpoint Tipp, and hopefully Kilkenny won't leak a load of Goals, so something like

KK 2-20
Tip 1-17